Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Natalie]

So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
they ever find another life-mate or not.

I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
Families having picnics, while their "menfolk" shot at pigeons that had been
confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
humanely.

It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
people amusing themselves.

Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey 
wrote:

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of "hunters" parked on their backsides
sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single "friend" would
admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
Georgetta


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Cell:785-230-6499

 

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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
humans. They have the same right to exist as we do."  Don Hamilton DVM

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Sharyl]

I was saddened to read that BreAnne has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  We love 
them, care for them and in the end let them go.  I'll light a candle for her.
Sharyl

From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today


 

hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
 
The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be 
easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no 
stranger to her.
 
She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to 
give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and let 
her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark.  I 
put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile and left and 
again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling 
her in midafternoon.
 
Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.  
You had counseled me that I would know.
 
Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to the 
tavern will have to take me home".
 
BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate ToriRose 
left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got really thin last 
fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this spring when she quit 
eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.  She rebounded in July.  
will leave it there.
 
Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Marcia Baronda]

I'm so very sorry

Marcia

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM, czadna sacarawicz <
czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
>
> The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it
> would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet
> was no stranger to her.
>
> She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to
> give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and
> let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got
> dark.  I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile
> and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I
> began calling her in midafternoon.
>
> Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was
> time.  You had counseled me that I would know.
>
> Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to
> the tavern will have to take me home".
>
> BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate
> ToriRose left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got
> really thin last fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this
> spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.
> She rebounded in July.  will leave it there.
>
> Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.
>
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>


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*Cell:785-230-6499*
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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

[Marcia Baronda]

Im so sorry Sherry<3  Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just
don't understand their deaths!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:

>   We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy
> with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love
> you Avery sweet boy.
> Sherry
>
> *"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary*
> *than our own,*
> *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.*
> *Unable to accept its awful gaps.*
> *We still would have it no other way"*
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*Cell:785-230-6499*
**
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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Marcia Baronda]

doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey wrote:

>  Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
> family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
>
> We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
> fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
> fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
> were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
> we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
> arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
> bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
> Go figure!
>
> When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
> in a fair shooting gallery... groups of "hunters" parked on their backsides
> sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
> both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
> unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
> annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
> few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single "friend" would
> admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
>
> Georgetta
>
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*1550 S 2700 Rd.*
*Herington, Kansas 67449*
*Phone: 785-466-2501*
*Cell:785-230-6499*
**
**" *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
humans. They have the same right to exist as we do."  Don Hamilton DVM*
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[Felvtalk] Hunters

[Georgetta Brickey]

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family 
farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our 
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our 
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets were 
raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were 
afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he arrived to talk 
to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot 
dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!  Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in 
a fair shooting gallery... groups of "hunters" parked on their backsides 
sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both 
sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work unscathed 
for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual 
killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few 
friends and came back with only one eye... not a single "friend" would admit he 
fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
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[Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

[Sherry DeHaan]

We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the 
most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery 
sweet boy.
Sherry


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than our own,
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Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Sally Davis]

Some time they are so far gone the drugs will not circulate. It has happened
to some of my kitties as well. Junior was like that too I wish it had been
easier for him.

Hugs

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Beth]

So sorry to hear about BreAnne. I can tell you loved her very much.
Beth

czadna sacarawicz  wrote:

>
>
>hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
> 
>The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would 
>be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no 
>stranger to her.
> 
>She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to 
>give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and 
>let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark.  
>I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile and left 
>and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began 
>calling her in midafternoon.
> 
>Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.  
>You had counseled me that I would know.
> 
>Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to the 
>tavern will have to take me home".
> 
>BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate ToriRose 
>left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got really thin last 
>fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this spring when she quit 
>eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.  She rebounded in July.  
>will leave it there.
> 
>Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.   
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Natalie]

Bowhunting is the worst..the injuries are horrid, the pain and suffering is
immense, and bowhunting starts right now in most states, and many fawns will
be orphaned not able to survive winters on their own! Blood lust and the
thrill of the kill is the driving force - it's not even sportsmanship!
They're a bunch of little men who love torturing wildlife and are nothing
more than a bunch of sadists!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least
they are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a
creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill
them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your
yard is a special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do
it.  

 

  _  

From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
> themselves, and are referred to as the only real
> conservationists...what a joke!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[dot winkler]

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and 
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they 
are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature 
to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill them?  They 
are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your yard is a 
special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do it.  



From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
> themselves, and are referred to as the only real
> conservationists...what a joke!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Bonnie Hogue]

Czadna

I'm sorry for the loss of your beloved BreAnne.  Now she suffers no more.

I love Rumi and what you've written makes a sense in this circumstance.  You
took her there, then - when it was 'time'--  brought her home.

Bless you both.

~Bonnie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:56 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

 


hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
 
The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would
be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no
stranger to her.
 
She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to
give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and
let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got
dark.  I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile
and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I
began calling her in midafternoon.
 
Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.
You had counseled me that I would know.
 
Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to
the tavern will have to take me home".
 
BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate
ToriRose left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got
really thin last fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this
spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.
She rebounded in July.  will leave it there.
 
Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[MaiMaiPG]

And brag about poaching?
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:05 PM,  > wrote:


Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since  
most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and  
nevr point the finger at "one of our own".

 Natalie  wrote:

Emus?  Where do you live?
What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to  
themselves, and

are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia  
Baronda

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!


Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals,  
will be
one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just  
for the
he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was  
nursing
back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who  
did it.

People drunk, shooting from the road.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with,  
Christmas

2010.

On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:

Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just  
before the
season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some  
practice
shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t  
shoot my
cats.  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that  
had
better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold  
come
looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I  
could get.



 Natalie  wrote:

I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no
business being vets) because it provides a good income!
Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting
groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting,  
firearm

hunting?


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is

illegal!


I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.
Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue?


 Peggy Verdonck  wrote:

I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who
want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it
done. :-/

On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them
about
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest  
they

adopt an already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you  
will

just

end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think
education is the best way to get people away from declawing.



Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org




From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is

illegal!



I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to
declaw
- BUT
- I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats  
that I

place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the
life of the cat.


I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that
adopted from
a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a  
month to
clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY  
it is

inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really
doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long
as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.


Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost  
you

an

apt.

and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!


Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:



From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM



A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:

http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm

A list of countries where declawing is illegal:

http://www.declawing.com/list.html

From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:

felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity
(which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I  
told

him:
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe  
it's

cruelty to animals."


Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[MaiMaiPG]

I am so sorry it was difficult.just know that she understands  
and loves you for all the caring you gave her.

On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Natalie wrote:


I am so sorry about BreAnne- Natalie
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today


hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.

The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought  
it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The  
local vet was no stranger to her.


She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not  
able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.   
I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods,  
coming back when it got dark.  I put her on the patio to rest Sunday  
morning.  She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the  
darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in  
midafternoon.


Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it  
was time.  You had counseled me that I would know.


Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought  
me to the tavern will have to take me home".


BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate  
ToriRose left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She  
got really thin last fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with  
her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only  
Fancy Feast beef.  She rebounded in July.  will leave it there.


Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.
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[Felvtalk] Off topic: Hunters accidentally killing kids

[Natalie]

Some actual cases:
OFFICER'S ERRANT SHOT AT DEER UPSETS RESIDENTS
The Buffalo News (Buffalo, NY) 
Byline: Thomas J. Dolan - NEWS NORTHTOWNS BUREAU
Three days after an errant shot fired from a nearby woods struck their home,
a young Amherst
couple are still shaken by the thought of what could have happened.
 
Amherst police say that one of their officers -- a marksman who is taking
part in the town's bait
and shoot program to control deer -- fired the round and that the shot
ricocheted before hitting the
house.
 
But that's not good enough for residents of San Fernando Lane, where the
bullet landed in the
second-floor guest room of a young family's home.
 
"In my opinion they should not have been anywhere this close to a house,"
said a woman who
lives in the house struck by the bullet. She agreed to an interview Monday
on the condition that
her name and address not be published.
 
"When it happens, your instinctive reaction is to be outraged. We felt that
at the time and still do,"
she said.
 
At about 10:30 a.m. Friday, her husband was working in a first-floor room of
the house and the
couple's son was staying home from grade school because of illness, she
said.
 
The bullet blew a baseball size hole in their upstairs guest room window and
lodged in a picture
on the wall.
 
Amherst police came to the house, and they were "extremely cooperative and
extremely sensitive
and sympathetic" about the incident, she said, but she added that nobody
should be shooting a
weapon that close to a house.
 
Police told her the officer involved was several hundred yards away in the
woods, aiming down at
a deer from a platform when the round struck something and was diverted
toward the houses on
San Fernando Lane.
 
Over the weekend, her husband took a walk into the woods and said it was
"not that far."
"If there's a chance of a fluke, they shouldn't be there," the woman said.
 
According to the town's online map system, the woods are located between
Casey and North
French roads, covering an area about 1,000 yards long and about 600 yards
wide at the midpoint.
The map also shows there are houses on three sides of the woods, the nearest
of which are
located about 300 yards or less from the center of the woods.
 
According to the woman, her neighbors are aware of the incident and they are
"very interested in
what's happening." As for her son, she said, it has been "difficult to
explain" to him what
happened.
 
Assistant Police Chief Ronald H. Hagleberger told Town Board members Monday
that the bait and
shoot program will remain suspended until the department concludes its
noncriminal investigation
of the incident in about three weeks.
 
Police were withholding the names of the officer who fired the round and the
owners of the home
that was struck.
 
"I don't want to have this unfortunate incident stop the program," Amherst
Council Member William
L. Kindel said, calling the incident "one in a million."
 
But Council Member Daniel J. Ward disagreed, saying the bait and shoot
program is "an accident
waiting to happen," because Amherst is not a rural community.
 
Program officials said they would continue nonlethal attempts to control
deer herds during the
suspension period.
 
Bullet pierces wall in Readington toddler's bedroom
December 5, 2008
 
By BRANDON LAUSCH
Staff Writer Courier News/Home News Tribune
http://www.mycentraljersey.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008812050361
As little Giana DeCampos, 2, sat Friday in her "once upon a princess" chair
for a tea party, the girl's bedroom looked like that of many others for a
child her age.
Her first name was spelled out in block letters on one of her lavender
walls, stuffed animals filled a bookcase and new diapers were at the ready
on the floor next to her crib.
Everything looked just about right. Except for the bullet hole.
Two days after a stray bullet pierced the side of their Oriole Road home —
entering the master bedroom and continuing into Giana's room, where the
projectile finally landed near her crib — the DeCampos family was still
reeling yesterday at the thought that a hunter standing a half mile away
could errantly shoot into their home and, in the process, shatter their
sense of security.
"I feel like I live in a paper house," Lisa DeCampos said as she explained
the recent incident with her husband Rui.
According to township police, the bullet was shot from an adjacent farm,
where two hunters who are considered possible suspects were found. Local
authorities turned the investigation over to the state Division of Fish &
Wildlife's bureau of law enforcement, which was continuing to probe the
incident yesterday, spokeswoman Darlene Yuhas said.
Yuhas, citing the active investigation, said she could not provide details.
Township police said criminal complaints may be filed.
Mrs. DeCampos said she was wakened by Giana before 7 a.m. Wednesday, Dec. 3,
and went downstairs with her youngest daughter to watch cartoons. Shortly
after 7, Mrs. DeCampos said she heard a noise upstai

Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Natalie]

I am so sorry about BreAnne- Natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

 


hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
 
The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would
be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no
stranger to her.
 
She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to
give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and
let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got
dark.  I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile
and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I
began calling her in midafternoon.
 
Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.
You had counseled me that I would know.
 
Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to
the tavern will have to take me home".
 
BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate
ToriRose left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got
really thin last fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this
spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.
She rebounded in July.  will leave it there.
 
Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.

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[Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[czadna sacarawicz]

hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
 
The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be 
easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no 
stranger to her.
 
She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to 
give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and let 
her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark.  I 
put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile and left and 
again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling 
her in midafternoon.
 
Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.  
You had counseled me that I would know.
 
Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to the 
tavern will have to take me home".
 
BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate ToriRose 
left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got really thin last 
fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this spring when she quit 
eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.  She rebounded in July.  
will leave it there.
 
Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[dlgegg]

I agree, lots of the guys around here eat the deer and turkey o whtever they 
get.  Daniel Boone and other frontiersmen did too.  But the guy who goes out o 
get a big rack to hang o the wall deserves a swift kick i the ---.


 MaiMaiPG  wrote: 
> Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for  
> factory farmers.
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM,> wrote:
> 
> > I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big  
> > brown eyes and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.
> >
> >  Terri Brown  wrote:
> >> I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.   
> >> I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they  
> >> killbut still.  I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat  
> >> any day.
> >>
> >> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori  
> >> and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome  
> >> and Sammi =^..^=
> >>  - Original Message -
> >>  From: Lorrie
> >>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
> >>
> >>
> >>  Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
> >>  No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
> >>  in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
> >>  think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
> >>  accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
> >>  deer!!
> >>
> >>  Lorrie
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 09-12, Natalie wrote:
> >>
> >>> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
> >>> themselves, and are referred to as the only real
> >>> conservationists...what a joke!
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[MaiMaiPG]

Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for  
factory farmers.
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM,  > wrote:


I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big  
brown eyes and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.


 Terri Brown  wrote:
I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.   
I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they  
killbut still.  I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat  
any day.


=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori  
and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome  
and Sammi =^..^=

 - Original Message -
 From: Lorrie
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
 No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
 in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
 think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
 accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
 deer!!

 Lorrie



On 09-12, Natalie wrote:



What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
themselves, and are referred to as the only real
conservationists...what a joke!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[dlgegg]

I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes 
and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.

 Terri Brown  wrote: 
> I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.  I have 
> less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still.  I'd 
> rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day.
> 
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Lorrie 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
> 
> 
>   Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
>   No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
>   in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
>   think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
>   accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
>   deer!!
> 
>   Lorrie
> 
> 
>   > On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 
> 
>   > What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
>   > themselves, and are referred to as the only real
>   > conservationists...what a joke!
>   > 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[dlgegg]

Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are 
good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger 
at "one of our own".
 Natalie  wrote: 
> Emus?  Where do you live?
> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and
> are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> 
> Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be
> one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the
> he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing
> back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it.
> People drunk, shooting from the road. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> 2010. 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the
> season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice
> shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my
> cats.  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that had
> better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come
> looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get.
> > 
> > 
> >  Natalie  wrote: 
> >> I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no 
> >> business being vets) because it provides a good income!
> >> Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
> >> Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting 
> >> groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm
> hunting?
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> dlg...@windstream.net
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
> illegal!
> >> 
> >> I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  
> >> Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> >>> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who 
> >>> want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it 
> >>> done. :-/
> >>> 
> >>> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
>  Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
>  about
> >>> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
> >>> adopt an already declawed cat.
>  I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
>  just
> >>> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
> >>> education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>  
>  
>  Beth
>  
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  From: tamara stickler 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
> >> illegal!
>  
>  
>  I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to 
>  declaw
>  - BUT
> >>> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
> >>> place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
> >>> life of the cat.
>  
>  I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
>  adopted from
> >>> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
> >>> clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
> >>> inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really 
> >>> doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long 
> >>> as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
>  
>  Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you 
>  an
> >> apt.
> >>> and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>  
>  Tamara
>  
>  --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>  
>  
> > From: Natalie 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
> >>> http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
> > A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
> >>> http://www.declawing.com/list.html
> > From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailt

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[ccarlsberg]

Hmm... May have gotten spammed...
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:55:42 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I also sent you more info privately because this group has size limitations.

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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

General info on TYLAN powder: 
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large 
containers, more suitable for a vet.  My vet always gives me small amounts, 
because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it 
has off-label uses.
Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for 
gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a 
growth-promoting food additive.

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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 
packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? 
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-Original Message-
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02
To: 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat 
likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), 
or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is 
way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition 
is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him 
with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. 
Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure 
tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 
2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying to give 
her a pill or liqud each day.

 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
> though.
> 
> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
> had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had 
> a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help 
> don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other 
> parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because 
> it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough 
> water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling 
> up the skin to test the elasticity.
> 
> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
> diarrhea.
> 
> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
> 
> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
> are so many things out there

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Natalie]

I also sent you more info privately because this group has size limitations.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

General info on TYLAN powder: 
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large 
containers, more suitable for a vet.  My vet always gives me small amounts, 
because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it 
has off-label uses.
Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for 
gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a 
growth-promoting food additive.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 
packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat 
likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), 
or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is 
way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition 
is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him 
with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. 
Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure 
tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( 

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 
2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying to give 
her a pill or liqud each day.

 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
> though.
> 
> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
> had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had 
> a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help 
> don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other 
> parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because 
> it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough 
> water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling 
> up the skin to test the elasticity.
> 
> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
> diarrhea.
> 
> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
> 
> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
> are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
> FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
> 
> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
> 
> “I am not interested to know w

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Marcia Baronda]

You can order Benebac pet gel from the net. They have one for dogs and one for 
cats now. The cat one does not have lactobacillus in it. Also, New Chapter 
makes wonderful probiotics. Iherb carries them and a lot of other health food 
sites.

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On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:34 AM, ccarlsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> How and where to get acidophilus for animals?!? I have milk for humans with 
> it...lol
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie 
> Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:04:43 
> To: 
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
> I have never had good luck with FortiFlora; I think that it's just another 
> way of selling something for more instead of getting it cheaper.  With 
> acidophilus, you don't even have to measure out a dosage, whatever you give, 
> will be fine.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
> I've tried "forti flora"... Give him half a packet a day, bc he's only 4lbs. 
> No difference. Just started that 4 days ago tho...
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcia Baronda 
> Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:03 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
> I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will 
> replenish good bacteria in the gut.
> 
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
> 2010. 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts 
>> for 2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying 
>> to give her a pill or liqud each day.
>> 
>>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  
>>> I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they 
>>> actually had a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon 
>>> doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be 
>>> the food, other parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about 
>>> diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure 
>>> it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're 
>>> dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity.
>>> 
>>> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
>>> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
>>> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
>>> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
>>> diarrhea.
>>> 
>>> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they 
>>> battle so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things 
>>> would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but 
>>> I don't know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
>>> 
>>> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
>>> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, 
>>> there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with 
>>> whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
>>> 
>>> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
>>> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
>>> 
>>> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
>>> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
>>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
>>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
>>> Twain
>>> 
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
>>> From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>>> 
>>> Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued 
>>> from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
>>> prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
>>> very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
>>> improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
>>> When should I re-test?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think itis 

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[ccarlsberg]

Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

General info on TYLAN powder: 
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large 
containers, more suitable for a vet.  My vet always gives me small amounts, 
because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it 
has off-label uses.
Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for 
gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a 
growth-promoting food additive.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 
packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat 
likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), 
or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is 
way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition 
is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him 
with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. 
Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure 
tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( 

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 
2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying to give 
her a pill or liqud each day.

 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
> though.
> 
> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
> had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had 
> a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help 
> don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other 
> parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because 
> it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough 
> water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling 
> up the skin to test the elasticity.
> 
> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
> diarrhea.
> 
> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
> 
> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
> are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
> FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
> 
> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
> From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
> T

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Natalie]

General info on TYLAN powder: 
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large 
containers, more suitable for a vet.  My vet always gives me small amounts, 
because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it 
has off-label uses.
Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for 
gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a 
growth-promoting food additive.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 
packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat 
likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), 
or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is 
way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition 
is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him 
with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. 
Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure 
tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( 

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 
2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying to give 
her a pill or liqud each day.

 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
> though.
> 
> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
> had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had 
> a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help 
> don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other 
> parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because 
> it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough 
> water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling 
> up the skin to test the elasticity.
> 
> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
> diarrhea.
> 
> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
> 
> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
> are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
> FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
> 
> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
> From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
> Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from 
> the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
> prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is sl

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Natalie]

Welcome to "my" kinda club!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the
surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as
sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where
some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!!

Lorrie


> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to 
> themselves, and are referred to as the only real 
> conservationists...what a joke!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Terri Brown]

I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.  I have less 
of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still.  I'd rather be 
a vegetarian than kill for meat any day.

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorrie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
  No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
  in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
  think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
  accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
  deer!!

  Lorrie


  > On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

  > What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
  > themselves, and are referred to as the only real
  > conservationists...what a joke!
  > 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Lorrie]

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
> themselves, and are referred to as the only real
> conservationists...what a joke!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Natalie]

It's not specifically for animals, it's for all of us...anytimne you take 
antibiotics, you must restore the friendly flora in your digestive system.  You 
can buy it at supermarkets, CVS, pharmacies...they're either under acidophilus 
or with millions of bacteria, probiotics.  Now, they even market prebiotics.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

How and where to get acidophilus for animals?!? I have milk for humans with 
it...lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:04:43
To: 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I have never had good luck with FortiFlora; I think that it's just another way 
of selling something for more instead of getting it cheaper.  With acidophilus, 
you don't even have to measure out a dosage, whatever you give, will be fine.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I've tried "forti flora"... Give him half a packet a day, bc he's only 4lbs. No 
difference. Just started that 4 days ago tho...
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-Original Message-
From: Marcia Baronda 
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:03
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will 
replenish good bacteria in the gut.

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM,  wrote:

> When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts 
> for 2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying 
> to give her a pill or liqud each day.
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
>> 
>> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
>> though.
>> 
>> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  
>> I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they 
>> actually had a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon 
>> doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the 
>> food, other parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about 
>> diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's 
>> getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're 
>> dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity.
>> 
>> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
>> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
>> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
>> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
>> diarrhea.
>> 
>> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
>> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
>> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
>> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
>> 
>> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
>> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
>> are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
>> FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
>> 
>> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
>> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
>> 
>> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
>> that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it 
>> inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
>> it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without 
>> looking further.” – Mark Twain
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
>> From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> 
>> Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued 
>> from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
>> prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
>> very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
>> improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
>> When should I re-test?
>> 
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