date:20051031


Hi Sandy,
Take a deep breath, you're doing fine.  You cared enough to know that 
euthanasia is not the answer and you researched well enough to find us.  
I would strongly suggest finding a different vet.  It's a real hot 
button with me how many people who should know better suggest pts at the 
first sign of felv.  It's backward and shows a lack of education.  Look 
for a board certified Internist.  You'll usually find them at specialty 
vet hospitals and clinics.  Your not so great vet should be able to 
recommend someone that he sends patients to that are beyond his 
capabilities.  Tonya is right that adult cats that have been exposed 
test positive while they are in the process of clearing the virus.  Take 
heart, there is great reason to hope.  Get your babies on immune support 
supplements and ask the vet about Interferon A.  Please don't blame 
yourself for any of this.  I'm one of those that mixes, or at least I 
did before I lost my Angels, none of my negatives ever became positive.  
Most healthy adult cats, (whether they're up to date on their shots, or 
not), do not succumb to felv.

Nina

Dudes wrote:


Hello everyone,
I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I am
here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.

My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love like
fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a few
weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someone
she didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for
"Bear") compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, and
within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.

So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since we
knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, so she
left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even check
his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest any
more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to swallow, but
in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, and
unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The other two
older cats were negative.

I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as much as I
can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,
and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please don't make me feel
any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLV
vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
overvaccinating them.

Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I am
hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally negative and
I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  The two
cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do much
good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.

I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequestered
during his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we were
dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cotton
the orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.
Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.
Thank you,
Sandy C.
Houston, Texas area

Re: Introduction




Guys,
couldn't her adult cats be showing a false positive just from being 
exposed and then pull a negative later? Your right the disease isnt that easy 
spread. especially in healthy adults with history of being 
vaccinated

Re: Introduction--addendum

2005-10-31 Thread jenmeyer

Sorry, it's getting past my bed-time...hard to form a thought!  What I 
meant for the lysine dosage:  500 mg per day split between two meals 
(250 mg per meal)!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Dudes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm
Subject: Introduction

> Hello everyone,
> I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about 
> why I am
> here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.
> 
> My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I 
> love like
> fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer 
> for a few
> weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from 
> someoneshe didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma 
> (Japanese for
> "Bear") compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very 
> ill, and
> within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
> experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.
> 
> So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we 
> could, since we
> knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
> stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, 
> so she
> left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't 
> even check
> his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or 
> suggest any
> more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to 
> swallow, but
> in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be 
> tested, and
> unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The 
> other two
> older cats were negative.
> 
> I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as 
> much as I
> can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all 
> happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please 
> don't make me feel
> any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had 
> the FeLV
> vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
> overvaccinating them.
> 
> Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and 
> I am
> hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally 
> negative and
> I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  
> The two
> cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may 
> not do much
> good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.
> 
> I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
> sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we 
> realized what we were
> dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
> negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as 
> Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.
> Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Sandy C.
> Houston, Texas area
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Update on Cricket


Wendy,
I'm very pleased to hear you and Cricket are hanging in there.  I'm 
praying big time that the IR helps him over his anemia.  Bless you guys, 
I know how hard that roller coaster ride can be, most of us do.  Try 
very hard to continue to take care of yourself, keep your spirits up and 
know you are doing everything you can for Cricket.  The rest is up to 
him and the powers that be.

Nina

wendy wrote:


Well, it has been a roller coaster of a weekend for
me.  My poor husband probably thinks I have gone
bonkers.  I called in sick (in tears) to work Thursday
evening (for Friday) because I thought I was going to
have to take Cricket to be PTS if he started having
difficulty breathing due to low rbc's.  Friday morning
I woke up late, having gotten some MUCH needed rest,
and Cricket seemed the same.  He didn't seem to be in
pain or having trouble breathing, so I didn't take him
to the vet.  I had taken him the evening before to get
the IV shot of ImmunoRegulin, that had just come in
the mail, thank goodness.  Saturday, I expected him to
be worse, but he wasn't.  Sunday, he seemed to be a
little stronger and alert and had gained weight from
what I could tell on the scales.  The vet called me
this morning to tell me he had read Cricket's labs (he
was out of town) and that he has a responsive anemia,
which we were under the impression that it was
non-responsive.  Non responsive is bad; not much
chance for survival.  Responsive is different.  So
that basically means Cricket has hope.  I am taking
him tomorrow for another shot of ImmunoRegulin.  I
called Dr. Mike Lies, the guy who wrote the article
titled "Volume of Opinion Warrants Merit" posted on
the Felineleukemia.org website.  He just called me
back today to verify that he had indeed written the
article in 1989, and that he still uses ImmunoRegulin.
He actually uses EqStim, which is the same thing, and
what I ordered for Cricket on Revivalanimal.com.  They
use it for horses, but lower dosages can be used for
cats.  He said he would do .5ml twice a week for two
weeks and see how Cricket does, and keep him on the
Prednisolone.  Both vets agreed that a transfusion
would do no good as he is trying to make his own rbc's
and his body might actually fight against the new
rbc's from the transfusion.  So it's just a waiting
game now.  I am so thankful I have all of you to vent
to, if you want to call it venting.  Some might call
it whining.  Others, expressing myself.  One thing is
for sure, I feel ten times better now that Cricket has
some hope and I am pulling myself out of the dumps, as
I hope he is too.  This weekend, he spent several
hours each day out in the sun enjoying himself. 
Normally when I let him out, he tries to explore other

homes, and I have to round him up.  But he just lies
there and watches right now.  Hopefully, he will soon
have the energy to do a little exploring.  I never
thought I would be happy about that, but I look
forward to it.  I hope this story/information gives
some of you hope who may be in the same situation. 
Thanks again for your prayers and support.  Wendy and
Cricket 





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Re: Introduction

2005-10-31 Thread jenmeyer

Hi Sandy!

It's always a little bittersweet welcoming new members to the list, 
FeLV is such a devastating disease...but you won't find a more 
knowledgable, more caring group of people!! :)  I'm also in the 
Houston area (Seabrook, to be exact), so if there's anything you need, 
please don't hesitate to get ahold of me!!

I wouldn't beat yourself up at all over what has happened...given that 
it's actually quite difficult for a healthy, adult cat to contract the 
virus (even if he or she has not been vaccinated--and I believe your 
guys are still covered from their vaccination a few years ago...new 
research indicates that vaccines are effective way beyond their 
seemingly arbitrary 1 year "expiration date")...and the fact that 
kittens are the most susceptible to the virus because of their 
immature immune systems...it's my hunch that Kuma and your little girl 
actually had the virus all along (the virus can remain sequestered in 
the bone marrow causing a "false negative" on an in-house test...this 
happened to one of our girls).  The more likely scenerio is that Kuma 
passed the virus on to the little orange guy whose immune system 
wasn't up to fighting off the virus.

As for what to do now, you will get alot of advice about treating 
diarrhea from the list!  I would start by making sure everyone is 
getting a good, quality diet (human-grade ingredients with meat being 
listed as the first ingredient)!  Some good brands are Wellness, 
Innova, Eagle Pack...Also, try starting him out on L-lysine (you can 
find tablets at your local grocery store)...just crush up a 500 mg 
tablet and mix into canned food twice a day.  Another medication that 
you might want to try is Interferon...it helps boost the immune 
system...if your vet won't get it for you, let me know and I'll get 
some from my vet and get it to you!!

That's all I can think of for now...this is a wonderful list, you'll 
get alot of great advice, so don't be afraid to ask about anything at 
all!  And like I said, please let me know if you need anything at all!

Jen




"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Dudes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm
Subject: Introduction

> Hello everyone,
> I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about 
> why I am
> here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.
> 
> My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I 
> love like
> fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer 
> for a few
> weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from 
> someoneshe didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma 
> (Japanese for
> "Bear") compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very 
> ill, and
> within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
> experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.
> 
> So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we 
> could, since we
> knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
> stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, 
> so she
> left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't 
> even check
> his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or 
> suggest any
> more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to 
> swallow, but
> in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be 
> tested, and
> unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The 
> other two
> older cats were negative.
> 
> I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as 
> much as I
> can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all 
> happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please 
> don't make me feel
> any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had 
> the FeLV
> vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
> overvaccinating them.
> 
> Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and 
> I am
> hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally 
> negative and
> I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  
> The two
> cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may 
> not do much
> good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.
> 
> I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
> sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we 
> realized what we were
> d

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Thanks for the ideas.  I've stayed clear of any kinds of grains,
fruits, or veggies because she's so diet sensitive.  I did try
Metamucil and other fibers, they didn't help her.  Her diarrhea (IBD),
I strongly suspect was brought on by an accidental over-vaccination. 
It's been tough to get a handle on it, but we're still fighting.
N

maimaipg wrote:

  
  
  
  
  another thought:  my alternative vet uses
apple pectin and my regular vets use Metamucilunflavored.  Both
have worked for my critters.

Re: Ringworm




I never get it...

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




My daughter really suffers cuase she is allergic to the blue star too so 
she uses iodine and benedryl for the itch

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Guys,
I tried all the lastest from revival with ringworm...nothing works like 
the old fashioned stuff. Blue star. its thick and prevents it from spreading. it 
smells bad and they dont lick it.

Re: Introduction




Sandy,
 
Sorry for the FeLV+ status of your kitties, it is 
scary at first, and heartbreaking.  They can live good lives even though 
they may not be as long as we'd like.  Go ahead and vaccinate your 
negatives for FeLV+.  If you can separate the + fm the - it is recommended 
although many on the list do not keep theirs separate.  My Effie lived 
three years, she was diagnosed + at 3 months when I found her.  She was 
healthy and full of energy until she developed lymphoma at 2-1/2, did well with 
chemo and then the cancer came back and she really only had one bad month.  
Initially Effie did have a couple short bouts of fever 
and swollen lymph nodes and most kittens have a case or two of 
diarrhea.  
 
Daily Lysine (OTC) helps keep down the viral 
load, as does interferon (prescription).  
 
You will learn a lot from the experiences of others 
on this list - it is a lifesaver, emotionally for you and physically for your 
kitties.    God bless you for keeping Cotton. Whatever 
his/her lifespan, it will be better with your love and care.
 
 Also, find a different vet who is at least 
willing to work with you.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dudes 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: Introduction
  Hello everyone,I am new to the list and wanted to introduce 
  myself and tell about why I amhere.  I appreciate you taking a minute 
  to read about us.My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult 
  cats who I love likefuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved 
  home this summer for a fewweeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she 
  had adopted from someoneshe didn't know.   She got him to keep 
  her older cat Kuma (Japanese for"Bear") compnay.  After they got 
  here, her cat Kuma became very ill, andwithin just a day or so of showing 
  symptoms, had to be euthanized. Heexperienced multi-organ failure.  
  The vet diagnosed FeLV.So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet 
  as soon as we could, since weknew so little about him.  Cotton also 
  tested positive for FeLV.  Mystepdaughter has neither the desire nor 
  the means to care for him, so sheleft him.  The vet recommended 
  immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even checkhis little orange ears for 
  ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest anymore blood work. Just FeLV 
  positive = death.  That was hard to swallow, butin the meantime, I 
  gathered up my three established cats to be tested, andunfortunately my 
  younger female has also tested positive.  The other twoolder cats 
  were negative.I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to 
  read and learn as much as Ican about FeLV.  I have been angry at 
  myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 
  20-20.  But please don't make me feelany worse than I do.  It 
  had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLVvaccine, becuase they are 
  100% indoors, and I was worried aboutovervaccinating them.Now I 
  feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I amhoping 
  for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally negative andI 
  do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  The 
  twocats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do 
  muchgood.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.I 
  fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
  sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized 
  what we weredealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of 
  whom are FeLVnegative, and two who are positive, one of whom is 
  symptomatic, as Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and 
  diarrhea.Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.Thank 
  you,Sandy C.Houston, Texas area

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




ringworm is extremely common on the outside of the 
ear..

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Gloria,
grocery stores also carry it.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




My kitties have RW on the backs of their ears, fur 
loss on the tips without lesions on the tips (yet), lesions and fur 
loss on the foreheads, one lesion on the flank, fur loss spots on paws 
and tail, fur loss spots on the nose ...    Often the other cats 
have been exposed before any dx is made and onward it goes through the 
herd.  Ugh!  Once it had spread (and yes, I was very careful) there 
was no point in isolating those to condos any longer, so let them out.  
Also, hyperpigmentation of the skin where the fur loss occurs is another sign of 
RW. 
 
Del
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:32 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Did you say on the ears and nose??  I don't think it's that common 
  in those areas.  Sure it's not earmites?
   
  tHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  








Is this safe for 12 
wk old kittens?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:05 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
kittens
 

once per 
day.never seen it 
  fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




No, the RW does not always flouresce.  And it 
can (did) get kind of nasty before it did show up.  Doc's wood's light is 
much stronger than my $15 UV light ... his didn't floresce either!  Which 
makes diagnosis more frustrating.  Once you have a dx on one cat you can 
fairly assume the other lesions, fur loss, etc., is RW.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Will ringworm show up under a 'black light'??
  tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hideyo,Oh 
man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to deal 
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send you my 
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know how to 
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my 
  world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment 
  and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I 
  take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is 
  though works every time. 
  its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when 
  handling them.
  BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the 
  difference in the world.

sandy

Additionally,  the positive results you've just received could be positive simply because they were recently exposed.  Many times a cat will test positive after exposure, but then clear the virus after a period of time.  Especially this is true for healthy adult cats.  Don't give up!
 
tonya

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm sorry you had to find us. I don't have time for a long reply right now, but you were right not to let your vet euthanize your cat.
My opinion is the first thing you need to do is go ahead and vaccinate your negative cat. Quarantine it and booster in 3 weeks.
Most importantly of all, you need to find a good vet who knows what he's talking about and is willing to work with you with your positive cats. Positive cats can just be carriers and never get sick at all! There is no reason to euthanize and I would not trust a vet recommending that!
I'm sure you'll get lots more advice. This is a wonderful group. We've had positive cats on this list over 10 years old and some die as kittens. There are many different variables involved and it sounds like your vet has not researched this disease.
TonyaDudes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello everyone,I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I amhere. I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love likefuzzy children. I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a fewweeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someoneshe didn't know. She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for"Bear") compnay. After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, andwithin just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. Heexperienced multi-organ failure. The vet diagnosed FeLV.So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since weknew so little about him. Cotton also tested positive for FeLV. Mystepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him,
so sheleft him. The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even checkhis little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest anymore blood work. Just FeLV positive = death. That was hard to swallow, butin the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, andunfortunately my younger female has also tested positive. The other twoolder cats were negative.I am heartbroken and distraught. I've tried to read and learn as much as Ican about FeLV. I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20. But please don't make me feelany worse than I do. It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLVvaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried aboutovervaccinating them.Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I amhoping for some sound, rational advice. My vet seemed totally negative andI do
intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests. The twocats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do muchgood. They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we weredealing with. I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLVnegative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.Thank you,Sandy C.Houston, Texas area

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Did you say on the ears and nose??  I don't think it's that common in those areas.  Sure it's not earmites?
 
tHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Is this safe for 12 wk old kittens?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:05 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
 

once per day.never seen it fail

Introduction

2005-10-31 Thread Dudes

Hello everyone,
I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I am
here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.

My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love like
fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a few
weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someone
she didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for
"Bear") compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, and
within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.

So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since we
knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, so she
left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even check
his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest any
more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to swallow, but
in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, and
unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The other two
older cats were negative.

I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as much as I
can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,
and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please don't make me feel
any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLV
vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
overvaccinating them.

Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I am
hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally negative and
I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  The two
cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do much
good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.

I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequestered
during his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we were
dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cotton
the orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.
Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.
Thank you,
Sandy C.
Houston, Texas area

Re: Ringworm

Yes,
Luckily some people (and animals) are not as susceptible to it.  My boyfriend had it bad enough he had to finally go to the doctor, yet I never got it
t

Re: Ringworm

You can also try lotromin.  (athlete's foot cream)
 
t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.
 
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy & Angel Bramble

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

I got mine at petsmart.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Where do I get a black light?  Do they have it at Walgreen or something?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
 

Yeah use a black light..that's how you can tell for sure.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Hideyo,
 
Ringworm is a nightmare.  You need to quarantine those kittens right away.  Preferably in a basement or somewhere totally away from the others.  Meanwhile... the spores spread through the air.  If possible I would put them in cages and put sheets over the cages to try to keep it from spreading.
 
You need to bleach everything.  You need to wash yourself when you tend to these guys before tending to your other cats.  I had a friend with it that put the ringworm cats in the basement and she would actually undress in the basement, and go straight to the shower and get dressed in clean clothes everytime she went down there.  It took her months to get everyone cleared up.
 
Do a google search on ringworm.  My vet always said to wash the places with a very diluted bleach solution.  Their cages need to be cleaned regularly too, and food dishes, and litters, etc It all needs to be bleached.  
 
That's the short version.  :(   
 
Good luck with this.  Ringworm is such a pain.  No, it's not deadly, and we don't like to euthanize cats for it at the shelter, but it's so contagious that it's hard to deal with.
 
Immunity (or lack of it) does have something to do with who will or will not catch it.
 
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







I guess now I have a big disaster in my house.. because I have so many other cats and kittens are everywhere  
I was also told and read that though its contagious, cats with regular immunity will not develop symptoms--- is it true? Or not really?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
 

No ringworm wont make them any sicker its just a pain to get rid of and it could take a couple of months for the hair to grow back

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Will ringworm show up under a 'black light'??
tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




This is what I posted earlier, you may have 
seen it by now.  Someone also suggested Blue Star ointment and it is cheap 
... maybe I'll buy that, too, and try it on some of my furkids.  
Revival animal supply catalog has two pages on RW and their suggestions, which 
include selling all their products of course, will further depress 
you.  It sounds like we need the National Guard and several $1000 to ever 
get rid of RW.  Some of my guys have cleared even though more are breaking 
out.  You have a large number of kitties, too, don't you?  I 
understand your depression :( with this.  
 
Hugs,
Del
Info can be found here:  
www.guaranteed-ringworm-cure.com/eguide
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Ringworm Gel: http://www.petsbestrx.com/ringworm/ 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:12 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  Now  I feel so 
  overwhelmed already, because I am sure that they have RW  all of 4 kittens 
  have bold patches on their ears  and some on faces  I am now depressed - I 
  really dont have a place to separate them  please forward me RW yahoo group 
   I would appreciate it.  What is the name of gel that you are going to 
  order.
   
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del DanielsSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:44 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
   
  
  I sure hope you 
  don't have the RW :(  This is not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually 
  since I do a little rescue and have a herd of cats.  Little Ms Purrsy 
  brought it with her and was diagnosed early-mid August ... I was so very 
  careful handling her, isolated her immediately in her condo and it still moved 
  into the big house and what a hassle.  The cats are on Griseofulvin 
  (except the two FIV+ who take Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid.  
  I can't say that either works.  Some cats healed, some still broke out 
  but very slow improvement, some with new outbreaks after being on the oral for 
  over three weeks.  Frustrating.  Reading 
  all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't have time enough in my day to do all 
  of what should be done, not even 
  close, and I am retired.  Maybe we will have it forever.  
  .  Maybe $500 already.  And the UV light ... not all RW 
  will flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light.  Some 
  RW shows up as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others do 
  not.  How many times can I use the word frustrating?  May I add 
  that I do not regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought 
  the RW even if we never get rid of it.  If no one has already given it, 
  there is a RW yahoo group and I'll fwd it.  There is a gel suggested that 
  is supposed to work wonderful and I am about to order some of 
  it.
  
   
  
  Del
  
   
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  

From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: Monday, 
October 31, 2005 12:30 PM

Subject: RE: OT: Help 
! ringworm in kittens

 
Really?  Why 
is it such a nightmare?  Is it because its contagious and hard to get 
rid of?  It wont kill them or make them really sick, will they?  
Someone told me that I should get a black light to confirm 
it.
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:28 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
kittens
 
Hideyo,Oh man, let's 
hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to deal with it 
myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send you my compiled 
notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know how to confirm 
diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Cats that have had 
URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered 
immune system.  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can 
get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he 
gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 


its contagious to humans and to 
other animals so careful when handling 
them.

BTW the interferon on my URI 
negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Red spots stings and itchy ... yup, probably
RW.
Del

- Original Message -
From:
Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:15
PM
Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in
kittens

I wonder if I have
it.. I have some red spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW?
Its encouraging to know that most of your kitties did not get it. What
spray did you use on you? What is Difulcan is it over the counter
drug?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:29
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in
kittens

My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my
knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy
FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is
really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3
weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the
wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Cats that have had
URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered
immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get
it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives
them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time.

its contagious to
humans and to other animals so careful when handling
them.

BTW the interferon
on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Have a purrfect
day

Cherie

Re: Emilio and Frito

2005-10-31 Thread Chris



Angel's Gate in Long Island-Original Message- From: Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Oct 27, 2005 3:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito 



Hmm, I don't know if there's one on Long Island.
 
Terri in NJ

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito
I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name.  Isn't there one one on Long Island too?  Again, can't remember the name!GloriaAt 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote:>Hi Chrissy,>>Wow.  What a big heart you have.>>There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around >the corner from you).  Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I >think.  Any shelter you take them to will PTS.  I think Nikki's FeLV >Rescue is full too.  She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area.>>No doubt you've got your hands full.  I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom >apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment.  I mostly lurk >on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.>>Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and >we can chat.  If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you.>>324-1604>>Terri in Bordentown, NJ>>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 >furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^=>>Furkid Photos! >http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/>My Personal Page: >http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350>- Original Message ->From: Christine Ott>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PM>Subject: Emilio and Frito>>Hi everyone,>>I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to>have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that>brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people>out there doing what they can.>>We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young,>(felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat,>Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if>he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months>apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the>ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we>were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since>he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues!>>Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the>hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing>number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have>a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of>noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and>discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes.>>We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we>thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would>have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first>person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the>other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?">And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could>adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but>she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing>face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and>by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up.>>Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of>my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the>kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at>Simon and Monkey...>>So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat>and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The>neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a>trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up,>circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I>volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on>with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will>do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill>facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured>we'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fed>Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on>the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker>for these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd take>Emilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv.>>Becau

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread janine paton

Yes, please don't use Tea Tree Oil on or around cats. 
And if it's a small amount in a product (like Halo
makes an earwash that has T.T. listed in it) I won't
use it either because I wonder what effect it has on
their liver.  

Janine

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> DO NOT USE TEA TREE OIL ON  CATS
>

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread Gloria B. Lane




I just went to my local pharmacy and asked for Blue Star Ointment.  He 
carries it, but is out and is going to order some more.
 
Gloria
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread Lewis Faye

Don't panic.   Ringworm is a very common fungi in the environment.  Most of us and our pets come into contact with it every day and do not become infected.  Most outbreaks are due to immune system issues.  There is a more than reasonable chance that no human will get the ringworm from your cats.  I had a horse with a terrible case of it years ago and no human or pet got it from him.  I would see your vet and start there.  It can be stubborn in some animals but it can be overcome.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









I wonder if I have it.. I have some red spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW?  Its encouraging to know that most of your kitties did not get it.  What spray did you use on you?  What is Difulcan  is it over the counter drug?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
 

My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 

its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.

BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world. 
 

Have a purrfect day

Cherie

 
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Re: Update on Cricket




I hope Cricket continues to do well.  It is true that there is always 
some chance of rejection of a transfusion.  But an rbc of 8 is so low that 
I feared he would die within a few days without one. I am glad to see he is 
proving us wrong so far, and hope he continues to. Dr. Lies swears I-R can pull 
cats out of severe anemia.  It will be wonderful if that proves to be 
true.  
Michelle

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









I wonder if I have it.. I have some red
spots it’s sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW?  It’s encouraging
to know that most of your kitties did not get it.  What spray did you use on
you?  What is Difulcan – is it over the counter drug?

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens



 



My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I
brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the
only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an
antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with
me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-(

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



Cats that have had URI
often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune
system.  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in
any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other
animals so careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative
kittens has made all the difference in the world. 





 



Have a purrfect day





Cherie

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









I haven’t – I have to go get
it – since I have 5 cats with bald spots, I am hoping that it will tell
me something if anyone has RW… 

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens



 



Did you try the black light method? If you take them into a dark area
and shine the black light on it if it glows greenish it is definately
ringworm.but be careful sometimes ringworm does not glow green.

Hideyo
 Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey
inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mama’s nose as
well…and I think they are ringworm – though they still have URIs
that come and go and can’t get rid of (over several weeks now) for some
reasons….

 

Any suggestions on treatment?  How worried should I
be?  



 



Have a purrfect day





Cherie

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Now – I feel so overwhelmed already,
because I am sure that they have RW – all of 4 kittens have bold patches
on their ears – and some on faces – I am now depressed - I really
don’t have a place to separate them – please forward me RW yahoo
group – I would appreciate it.  What is the name of gel that you are
going to order.

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Del Daniels
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens



 



I sure hope you don't have the RW
:(  This is not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually since I do a little
rescue and have a herd of cats.  Little Ms Purrsy brought it with her and
was diagnosed early-mid August ... I was so very careful handling her, isolated
her immediately in her condo and it still moved into the big house and what a
hassle.  The cats are on Griseofulvin (except the two FIV+ who take
Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid.  I can't say that either works. 
Some cats healed, some still broke out but very slow improvement, some with new
outbreaks after being on the oral for over three weeks.  Frustrating. 
Reading all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't have time enough in my day to
do all of what should
be done, not even close, and I am retired.  Maybe we will have
it forever.  .  Maybe $500 already.  And the UV light
... not all RW will flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light. 
Some RW shows up as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others
do not.  How many times can I use the word frustrating?  May I add
that I do not regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought
the RW even if we never get rid of it.  If no one has already given it,
there is a RW yahoo group and I'll fwd it.  There is a gel suggested that
is supposed to work wonderful and I am about to order some of it.





 





Del





 





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From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 PM





Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens





 



Really?  Why is it such a nightmare? 
Is it because it’s contagious and hard to get rid of?  It
won’t kill them or make them really sick, will they?  Someone told
me that I should get a black light to confirm it.

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens



 

Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to deal
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send you my
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know how to
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Cats that have had URI often bust
out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.
 I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any
pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other animals so
careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has
made all the difference in the world.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









When human gets it, is it itchy?

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens



 



Yes my Katrina kittens were 7 weeks old.
Ringworm, earmites, Rhino and chlymedia I used blue star on both.Whisper
has since been adopted. I have a 6 week old here now from the pound with URI he
gets both interferon and blue star it cleared up after one week.

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)

2005-10-31 Thread maimaipg




another thought:  my alternative vet uses apple 
pectin and my regular vets use Metamucilunflavored.  Both have worked 
for my critters.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:59 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Question on diarrhea 
  (homeopathics)
  Gypsy just used the litterbox behind me in the bathroom.  
  I heard the tell tale sound of diarrhea, and figured it must be bad 
  news.  When I went to check, there was some formed, some 
  liquid.  It may have to do with the bone meal, that seems to be the 
  single variable that is making a difference.  Of course, we both know 
  I can be wrong!  I did remember, just now, that the raw diet that I 
  credit with saving Gypsy's life, (duck muscle meat and salmon), stopped 
  her constant "drippy faucet", but it wasn't until I started her on barf, 
  (grinding the duck with bones, organ meat, and sups), that she started to 
  have firmed stools.NNina wrote:
  Using 
homeopathics is such an individual thing.  Hideyo has had great success 
with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all.  Patti wrote about using 
BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that helps with 
nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to that.  
We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it down, but I 
think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus, Arsenicum Album, 
and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis).  I would strongly 
suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htmfor 
more specific remedies that might help Ginger.  She has you fill out an 
extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical and emotional 
profile and what might best help them.I'm afraid I spoke too soon 
about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving.  There was liquid stool in the 
litterbox this morning, so we've had another setback.  There are so 
many darn variables it's hard to tell what causes her to improve and what is 
detrimental.  She is, however, so very much improved overall.  
Something is working.  I was at the point of considering pts, and now I 
wouldn't dream of it.  Let us know what you decide to do for Lucy and 
certainly let me know if anything you try seems to 
help.Nina
Nina,
    She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which 
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Leuk Positive Kitty - Urgent (Rochester, NY)

2005-10-31 Thread Amy Wilkins

I hope I find somebody.  This woman can't keep the
kitten much longer and I've never had to give up
trying to find a home for one yet.  There are just so
many out there.

--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Amy,  I'm all the way in Texas and don't know anyone
> in NY.  Try contacting Best Friends
> (bestfriends.org)
> and see if they have a contact.  Good luck.  Wendy
> 
> --- Amy Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I had sent this e-mail out last week regarding a
> > leuk
> > positive kitty.  I haven't followed up because I
> > didn't hear back from my vet or the rescuer.  She
> > just
> > called last night and is still looking for a home
> > for
> > this kitty.  She can't keep her and the kitten is
> > confined to a porch where she can no longer stay
> as
> > it
> > gets cold.  Can anybody help this little girl? 
> The
> > rescuer tells me she is a total sweetheart and
> just
> > precious and wants to come in and mix with her
> other
> > cats so badly.  She just doesn't want to mix the
> > leuk
> > pos with her healthy cats and I can understand
> that.
> > 
> > Everybody has a different opinion on that. 
> Anyways,
> > please see the description below from my previous
> > e-mail.  Obviously, she is a bit older now,
> probably
> > 12 weeks or so.
> > 
> > My vet just called me to tell me about a kitten
> that
> > just tested positive for leukemia.  The owner
> > (rescuer) can house her temporarily but needs to
> > find
> > her a home as soon as possible.  They are thinking
> > she
> > is about 10 weeks old.  She is mostly grey with
> some
> > orange spots.  She has had her distemper shot and
> > has
> > been dewormed and flea treated.  She has not been
> > spayed yet and is too young for her rabies shot. 
> Is
> > there anybody that could give this little sweetie
> a
> > home?  I am willing to make arrangements for
> > transportation.  We just don't want to see this
> > little
> > one euthanized.
> > 
> > 
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Healing prayers coming your way for cricket.
Karen

Re: Leuk Positive Kitty - Urgent (Rochester, NY)

2005-10-31 Thread wendy

Amy,  I'm all the way in Texas and don't know anyone
in NY.  Try contacting Best Friends (bestfriends.org)
and see if they have a contact.  Good luck.  Wendy

--- Amy Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had sent this e-mail out last week regarding a
> leuk
> positive kitty.  I haven't followed up because I
> didn't hear back from my vet or the rescuer.  She
> just
> called last night and is still looking for a home
> for
> this kitty.  She can't keep her and the kitten is
> confined to a porch where she can no longer stay as
> it
> gets cold.  Can anybody help this little girl?  The
> rescuer tells me she is a total sweetheart and just
> precious and wants to come in and mix with her other
> cats so badly.  She just doesn't want to mix the
> leuk
> pos with her healthy cats and I can understand that.
> 
> Everybody has a different opinion on that.  Anyways,
> please see the description below from my previous
> e-mail.  Obviously, she is a bit older now, probably
> 12 weeks or so.
> 
> My vet just called me to tell me about a kitten that
> just tested positive for leukemia.  The owner
> (rescuer) can house her temporarily but needs to
> find
> her a home as soon as possible.  They are thinking
> she
> is about 10 weeks old.  She is mostly grey with some
> orange spots.  She has had her distemper shot and
> has
> been dewormed and flea treated.  She has not been
> spayed yet and is too young for her rabies shot.  Is
> there anybody that could give this little sweetie a
> home?  I am willing to make arrangements for
> transportation.  We just don't want to see this
> little
> one euthanized.
> 
> 
> Amy Wilkins 
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Update on Cricket

2005-10-31 Thread wendy

Well, it has been a roller coaster of a weekend for
me.  My poor husband probably thinks I have gone
bonkers.  I called in sick (in tears) to work Thursday
evening (for Friday) because I thought I was going to
have to take Cricket to be PTS if he started having
difficulty breathing due to low rbc's.  Friday morning
I woke up late, having gotten some MUCH needed rest,
and Cricket seemed the same.  He didn't seem to be in
pain or having trouble breathing, so I didn't take him
to the vet.  I had taken him the evening before to get
the IV shot of ImmunoRegulin, that had just come in
the mail, thank goodness.  Saturday, I expected him to
be worse, but he wasn't.  Sunday, he seemed to be a
little stronger and alert and had gained weight from
what I could tell on the scales.  The vet called me
this morning to tell me he had read Cricket's labs (he
was out of town) and that he has a responsive anemia,
which we were under the impression that it was
non-responsive.  Non responsive is bad; not much
chance for survival.  Responsive is different.  So
that basically means Cricket has hope.  I am taking
him tomorrow for another shot of ImmunoRegulin.  I
called Dr. Mike Lies, the guy who wrote the article
titled "Volume of Opinion Warrants Merit" posted on
the Felineleukemia.org website.  He just called me
back today to verify that he had indeed written the
article in 1989, and that he still uses ImmunoRegulin.
 He actually uses EqStim, which is the same thing, and
what I ordered for Cricket on Revivalanimal.com.  They
use it for horses, but lower dosages can be used for
cats.  He said he would do .5ml twice a week for two
weeks and see how Cricket does, and keep him on the
Prednisolone.  Both vets agreed that a transfusion
would do no good as he is trying to make his own rbc's
and his body might actually fight against the new
rbc's from the transfusion.  So it's just a waiting
game now.  I am so thankful I have all of you to vent
to, if you want to call it venting.  Some might call
it whining.  Others, expressing myself.  One thing is
for sure, I feel ten times better now that Cricket has
some hope and I am pulling myself out of the dumps, as
I hope he is too.  This weekend, he spent several
hours each day out in the sun enjoying himself. 
Normally when I let him out, he tries to explore other
homes, and I have to round him up.  But he just lies
there and watches right now.  Hopefully, he will soon
have the energy to do a little exploring.  I never
thought I would be happy about that, but I look
forward to it.  I hope this story/information gives
some of you hope who may be in the same situation. 
Thanks again for your prayers and support.  Wendy and
Cricket 




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Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Yes my Katrina kittens were 7 weeks old. Ringworm, earmites, Rhino and 
chlymedia I used blue star on both.Whisper has since been adopted. I have a 
6 week old here now from the pound with URI he gets both interferon and blue 
star it cleared up after one week.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




DO NOT USE TEA TREE OIL ON 
CATS

RE: "Wednesday" and leaving cats at the vet

I am very much the same way - I also learned my lessons hard way.. when
they are spayed/neutered, I actually wait while they are in surgery...
my vet accommodate my desire to be there.. so as soon as I take a cat,
they will start on surgery without waiting around which can be stressful
for my feral cats.

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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: "Wednesday" and leaving cats at the vet

What a beautiful poem Laura!  I loved it.  For the
record, I never leave my cats at the vet, unless I'm
having them spayed/neutered or unless there is
ABSOLUTELY no other way around it.  Otherwise, I am
right there with them.  That way, if the vet decides
to make a decision, I am right there.  Learned this
the hard way.  Thanks for the tip-I will keep that in
mind in the future.



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"Wednesday" and leaving cats at the vet

2005-10-31 Thread wendy

What a beautiful poem Laura!  I loved it.  For the
record, I never leave my cats at the vet, unless I'm
having them spayed/neutered or unless there is
ABSOLUTELY no other way around it.  Otherwise, I am
right there with them.  That way, if the vet decides
to make a decision, I am right there.  Learned this
the hard way.  Thanks for the tip-I will keep that in
mind in the future.



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Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread gblane

Sure thing - My grandmother told us to use it when I was about 10 and had 
ringworm.  Dr had given us some messy white cream.  But the Gentian Violet 
knocked it out pronto.

BUT very messy.  I put it on my cats VERY carefully!  And sometimes, it's 
just not the right thing.

Gloria

At 02:36 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
Gentian Violet ... messy though, isn't it?  I remember that from when I 
was a child (many, many, many moons ago), didn't know it was still available.

Del
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden Seal.  Both are
anti-fungals.

I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty
here...

Gloria

At 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it
>at any pharmacy.
>like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00
>a jar

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Is this safe for 12 wk old kittens?

 









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once per day.never seen it fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Gentian Violet ... messy though, isn't it?  I remember that from when 
I was a child (many, many, many moons ago), didn't know it was still 
available.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden 
  Seal.  Both are anti-fungals.I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue 
  Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty 
  here...GloriaAt 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you 
  wrote:>Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You 
  can get it >at any pharmacy.>like any rescue I get it. but the 
  blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 >a 
jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread gblane

I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden Seal.  Both are 
anti-fungals.


I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty 
here...


Gloria


At 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
at any pharmacy.
like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 
a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm Info links




Info can be found 
here: 
www.guaranteed-ringworm-cure.com/eguide
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Ringworm Gel: http://www.petsbestrx.com/ringworm/ 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Thanks, Nina.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 

  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  It's pretty long and not organized in any fashion.  I 
  can't vouch for any of it, but when I see a post that seems interesting I'll 
  paste it into a document file.  (You'll notice Karen's contribution from 
  today about Blue Star ointment).  I can't attach docs to send to the 
  list, but I'll try and cut and past the whole thing for you.  Here 
  goes:<>[EMAIL PROTECTED]Karen 
  817-453-4888 <>Blue Star 
  ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it at any 
  pharmacy.like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for 
  me. 5.00 a jar  <>1. [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  Looking up 
  ringworm I found this, from what this say's it doesn't appear that it is an 
  airborne contagent, although it is highly contagious (I have had it on a cat 
  before and I was told to use regular athletes foot creme and for us it did 
  work, I got a little spot on me and the creme cleared it up on the cat and 
  myself, this was many years ago, so don't know if that is still the treatment 
  for it.  This cat only had one small spot so we never had a major 
  problem.):

People can get Ringworm from: 1) direct skin-to-skin 
contact with an infected person or pet, 2) indirect contact with an object 
or surface that an infected person or pet has touched, or 3) rarely, by 
contact with soil. 
Ringworm can be treated with fungus-killing medicine. 
To prevent Ringworm, 1) make sure all infected persons 
and pets get appropriate treatment, 2) avoid contact with infected persons 
and pets, 3) do not share personal items, and 4) keep common-use areas 
clean. 
  How do 
  people get Ringworm?
  Ringworm is spread by either direct or 
  indirect contact. People can get Ringworm by direct 
  skin-to-skin contact with an infected person or pet. 
  People can also get Ringworm indirectly by contact with objects or 
  surfaces that an infected person or pet has touched, such as hats, combs, 
  brushes, bed linens, stuffed animals, telephones, gym mats, and shower 
  stalls. In rare cases 
  Ringworm can be spread by contact with soil.
  http://www.astdhpphe.org/infect/ringworm.htmlAnother 
  good site that seems to confirm this:http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ringworm.html
  2. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  The only good thing is that it was a very mild 
  case and was easily treated with over the counter creams. But I use the 
  program pill and protein Thymic A for faster results. 
  3. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tea 
  Tree Oil:If you want a natural treatment, tea tree oil, which you can get in any health food store, is an anti-fungal and kills ringworm (I myself had a spot of ringworm last summer and used that to get rid of it and it worked).  I am not sure you can put it on cats straight and so would not do so without further guidance from a vet, but I have a natural flea powder that contains it so I know they use it to some degree on cats and dogs.  But you can mix it with water in a spray container and spray surfaces with it.  4.  <>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  I just picked up a kitty from WI that was on Fulvicin, the 
  dosage was a quarter of a capsul 2 times a day, in all ym panick before I got 
  her a member of the list shot me over a few places to get ringworm treament, 
  it actually is for fleas...the links arehttp://www.flea-control-plus.com/acatalog/Program_Dog.html<>http://www.petvetsupplies.com/  <>http://discountpetdrugs.com/progflecon.html  
  <>  
  I also unearthed a treatment from Revival 
  Health<>http://revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=27-410  

  Revival Health also has a great article at <>http://revivalanimal.com/article.asp?ai=11   
  <>5.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  I absolutely refused to 
  administer any oral medications (Fulvicin/Griseofulvin, 
  Itraconazole, etc.) to Ralphie (or my other cats) for the 
  ringworm.  Ralphie had lurked around deaths door too many 
  times for me to chance it.I consider Seth the "king of 
  ringworm".  Don't know if he'd appreciate that, but I've 
  heard that Bastille's fungus-free status is primarily due to 
  Seth's dedication to bathing him.At the ringworm group, I 
  have a file listing all the different treatments I used.  I 
  was most happy with:*  Lym dip - tho I recommend no more 
  frequently than one a week for 2 or 3 weeks, then every other 
  week.  It can be kind of harsh/drying to their skin and they 
  do tend to lick at it, so they're ingesting it*  Shampoo 
  - I got some Ketachlor shampoo from the shelter and it seemed to 
  help.  I only got it about two weeks before Ralphie was 
  declared ringworm free, and maybe that's a coincidence, maybe 
  not.. but his last bath before "freedom" was with this shampoo - 
  then I gave him a final bath before moving him to another room 
  (just in case he picked up any spores f

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




once per day.never seen it fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




How often do you use Blue Star ointment on the area?  Twice 
a day?  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Nina - how about posting your compiled notes on 
treatment on this list ... with so many different strains of RW what doesn't 
work on one may work on another.  
 
Del  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have 
  ringworm.  I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a 
  real nightmare!  I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it 
  off-list.  Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty 
  to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my 
world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment 
and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I 
take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is 
though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling 
them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the 
difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




If you plan to use a lot of alpha interferon ... mix it yourself.  The 
instructions are on www.tallyville.com  It is easy and my 
cost for the first year was the same as one year from Island Pharmacy ... but 
after the first year, the cost is just buying a bag of saline 
every three months.  I have five cats on it now and have enough for 
them each mixing and still throw some out ... your final dilution only 
lasts three months in the fridge.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Yes I got it from my vet this time he charges a arm and a leg but I 
  usually get it from Island Pharmacy with a perscription. http://www.islandpharmacy.com/
  unless you guys found a cheaper place since I have been 
gone?

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
at any pharmacy. 
like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 
a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




I sure hope you don't have the RW :(  This is 
not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually since I do a little rescue and have a 
herd of cats.  Little Ms Purrsy brought it with her and was diagnosed 
early-mid August ... I was so very careful handling her, isolated her 
immediately in her condo and it still moved into the big house and what a 
hassle.  The cats are on Griseofulvin (except the two FIV+ who take 
Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid.  I can't say that either 
works.  Some cats healed, some still broke out but very slow improvement, 
some with new outbreaks after being on the oral for over three weeks.  
Frustrating.  Reading all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't 
have time enough in my day to do all of what should be done, not even 
close, and I am retired.  Maybe we will have it forever.  
.  Maybe $500 already.  And the UV light ... not all RW will 
flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light.  Some RW shows up 
as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others do not.  How many 
times can I use the word frustrating?  May I add that I do not 
regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought the RW even if 
we never get rid of it.  If no one has already given it, there is a RW 
yahoo group and I'll fwd it.  There is a gel suggested that is supposed to 
work wonderful and I am about to order some of it.
 
Del
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  Really?  Why is 
  it such a nightmare?  Is it because its contagious and hard to get rid 
  of?  It wont kill them or make them really sick, will they?  
  Someone told me that I should get a black light to confirm 
  it.
   
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:28 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
   
  Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have 
  ringworm.  I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a 
  real nightmare!  I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it 
  off-list.  Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty 
  to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
  Cats that have had URI often bust 
  out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. 
   I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any 
  pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a 
  liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
  
  
  its contagious to humans and to 
  other animals so careful when handling 
them.
  
  BTW the interferon on my URI 
  negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: Ringworm

I can sort of pin point how I got it and it was from a scratch.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.
 
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy & Angel BrambleHave a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: Ringworm

Luckily my son has still not gotten it ;-))[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.
 
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy & Angel BrambleHave a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world. Have a purrfect day
Cherie

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Did you try the black light method? If you take them into a dark area and shine the black light on it if it glows greenish it is definately ringworm.but be careful sometimes ringworm does not glow green.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mamas nose as welland I think they are ringworm  though they still have URIs that come and go and cant get rid of (over several weeks now) for some reasons.
 
Any suggestions on treatment?  How worried should I be?  Have a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: Ringworm




I have had cats sleep in bed with me and never caught it. My oldest 
daughter 22 years old we use as the ringworm tester if she is in the same room 
she catches it !

Ringworm

2005-10-31 Thread Lomaxturtle




Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then 
you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply 
iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble 
used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing 
too.
 
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy & Angel Bramble

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I got mine at walmart.

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Yes I got it from my vet this time he charges a arm and a leg but I usually 
get it from Island Pharmacy with a perscription. http://www.islandpharmacy.com/
unless you guys found a cheaper place since I have been 
gone?

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Where do I get a black light?  Do they
have it at Walgreen or something?

 









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Yeah use a black light..that's how
you can tell for sure.

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I need prescription to get interferon,
right?

 









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The URI and probably stress caused the
low immune system. Yes I use Alpha he mixes it for adults and then for kittens
I have never had any side effects with Negatives or positives.





I am positive it is what is making the
difference here.





They seem to bounce back faster and
better. 



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Karen 817-453-4888

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Pretty trueits hard to say. I have had very healthy dogs catch 
it.

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The URI and probably stress caused the low immune system. Yes I use Alpha 
he mixes it for adults and then for kittens I have never had any side effects 
with Negatives or positives.
I am positive it is what is making the difference here.
They seem to bounce back faster and better. 
see our 
available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 
817-453-4888

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I guess now I have a big disaster in my
house.. because I have so many other cats and kittens are everywhere – 

I was also told and read that though it’s
contagious, cats with regular immunity will not develop symptoms--- is it true?
Or not really?

 









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No ringworm wont make them any sicker its
just a pain to get rid of and it could take a couple of months for the hair to
grow back

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Some times kittens getting over ringworm dont make adoption for a long time 
cause its unsighly...we just wait till the fur grows completely back
 
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What I am really concerned is that what
caused to have such a lower immune system among my kitties –

Do you use alpha interferon?.. any side
effects on interferon?

 









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Yes,





I do rescue. And any cat or dog that has
lowered immune system can bust out in ringworm.





Yes its now a practice here that any cat
or kitten neg or positive gets interferon with URI. I have viral URI going
around in all the pounds. And I darn near lost a mom with 4 week olds but the
interferon and support therapy is pulling them through. Try it it works

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No ringworm wont make them any sicker its just a pain to get rid of and it 
could take a couple of months for the hair to grow 
back

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Yeah use a black light..that's how you can tell for 
sure.

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Yes,
I do rescue. And any cat or dog that has lowered immune system can bust out 
in ringworm.
Yes its now a practice here that any cat or kitten neg or positive gets 
interferon with URI. I have viral URI going around in all the pounds. And I darn 
near lost a mom with 4 week olds but the interferon and support therapy is 
pulling them through. Try it it works

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Really?  Why is it such a nightmare?  Is it
because it’s contagious and hard to get rid of?  It won’t kill them
or make them really sick, will they?  Someone told me that I should get a black
light to confirm it.

 









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Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to deal
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send you my
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know how to
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

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Cats that have had URI often bust
out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.
 I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any
pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other animals so
careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has
made all the difference in the world.

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Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm.  I've never had to
deal with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare!  I'll send
you my compiled notes on treatment for it off-list.  Does anyone know
how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

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  Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to
my world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment
and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases
I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it
is though works every time. 
  its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when
handling them.
  BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the
difference in the world.

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Thanks. These kittens are FeLV negative –
but is it still common?  Let me make sure that I understood what you said - is
your kitty with ringworm Felv negative, too? but has URI and interferon helped
her?

 









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Cats that have had URI often bust out in
ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.  I use
blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in
real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know
what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other
animals so careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative
kittens has made all the difference in the world.

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Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its 
from the lowered immune system.  I use blue start ointment and it never 
fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the 
vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 

its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling 
them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference 
in the world.

OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey
inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mama’s nose as well…and
I think they are ringworm – though they still have URIs that come and go
and can’t get rid of (over several weeks now) for some reasons….

 

Any suggestions on treatment?  How worried should I be?

Re: cat and dog fur

2005-10-31 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

...and writing letters helps too, especially if enough people do it. 
One can write letters to the local newspapers, your representatives, 
companies that sell these furs (look at labels next time you're out 
shopping), as well as tourism offices, embassies, the governments of 
other countries. 

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:33 am
Subject: Re: cat and dog fur

> Stop buying furs period and fake furs of unknown or questionable 
> origin.Like the tome says...fur belongs on beautiful animals 
> and ugly people.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lisa Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: RE: cat and dog fur
> 
> 
> > Hi Bonnie,
> >   That is terrible, how could they do that...But what can we 
> do? Lisa
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:25 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: cat and dog fur
> >
> > The Phillippines is also a source of cat fur. The ABC video 
> showed a
> > fur operation there. In a cage that had been full of cats, the last
> > two terrified-looking cats were clinging to one another as workers
> > took them out one by one and strangled them in front of the other
> > cats. These cats knew what their fate was. The film was shown 
> over a
> > year ago but it's all coming back now. I wrote a letter to the
> > Phillippine embassy; someone there wrote back denying it was 
> happening> and indignantly demanded to know the address of the 
> factory. The video
> > had only said this was happening in the Phillippines but I hope they
> > got plenty of other letters.
> >
> > I think the Burlington Coat factory was one chain mentioned that was
> > selling dog and cat fur trimmed coats. A lot of the coat labels had
> > names of made-up animals like "Russian ard-wolf".
> >
> > Many people don't want to hear about the horrible things animals go
> > through; they think nothing can be done but we have to keep bringing
> > it up - it only takes a few dedicated people to start changes in the
> > way we think and do things...it always has, as someone once said.
> >
> > Bonnie in WI
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: Chinese cat and dog fur
> >
> > > Isn't it odd how people talk about someone behaving "like an
> > > animal" when
> > > they behave in a particulary nasty way.
> > > No animal is capable of the horrors perpetrated by humans.
> > > I would like to see a huge campaign mounted to encourage a 
> boycott of
> > > Chinese goods until they shape up. Since half the stuff we buy
> > > these days
> > > seems to come from China it would have to give them pause.
> > > On the other hand there probably isn't a single country in the
> > > world that
> > > treats animals with respect.
> > > I like to think that one day people will look back at the way we
> > > behavetowards animals as they look at slavery today---and wonder
> > > how we could
> > > possibly have thought it was ok to use, abuse, eat and wear them.
> > > Kerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
>

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





I have bone meal and can try it with Lucy, though I am wary of it because 
her calcium levels were high two blood tests ago (but normal last blood 
test).  Her diarrhea started a week ago after sudden diet change and 
antibiotics, so it is probably different than Gypsy's problems, but maybe the 
bone meal would help her get over it.
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/31/2005 10:00:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gypsy 
  just used the litterbox behind me in the bathroom.  I heard the tell 
  tale sound of diarrhea, and figured it must be bad news.  When I went 
  to check, there was some formed, some liquid.  It may have to do with 
  the bone meal, that seems to be the single variable that is making a 
  difference.  Of course, we both know I can be wrong!  I did 
  remember, just now, that the raw diet that I credit with saving Gypsy's 
  life, (duck muscle meat and salmon), stopped her constant "drippy faucet", 
  but it wasn't until I started her on barf, (grinding the duck with bones, 
  organ meat, and sups), that she started to have firmed 
stools.N

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Gypsy just used the litterbox behind me in the bathroom.  I heard the 
tell tale sound of diarrhea, and figured it must be bad news.  When I 
went to check, there was some formed, some liquid.  It may have to do 
with the bone meal, that seems to be the single variable that is making

a difference.  Of course, we both know I can be wrong!  I did remember,

just now, that the raw diet that I credit with saving Gypsy's life, 
(duck muscle meat and salmon), stopped her constant "drippy faucet",
but 
it wasn't until I started her on barf, (grinding the duck with bones, 
organ meat, and sups), that she started to have firmed stools.
N

Nina wrote:

  
  
Using homeopathics is such an individual thing.  Hideyo has had great
success with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all.  Patti wrote
about using BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that
helps with nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to
that.  We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it
down, but I think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus,
Arsenicum Album, and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis).  I
would strongly suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
  for more specific remedies that might help Ginger.  She has you
fill out an extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical
and emotional profile and what might best help them.
  
I'm afraid I spoke too soon about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving.  There
was liquid stool in the litterbox this morning, so we've had another
setback.  There are so many darn variables it's hard to tell what
causes her to improve and what is detrimental.  She is, however, so
very much improved overall.  Something is working.  I was at the point
of considering pts, and now I wouldn't dream of it.  Let us know what
you decide to do for Lucy and certainly let me know if anything you
try seems to help.
Nina
  
  
  
  Nina,
      She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Oops, sorry, we're talking about Lucy, not Ginger! :)
N

Nina wrote:

  
  
Using homeopathics is such an individual thing.  Hideyo has had great
success with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all.  Patti wrote
about using BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that
helps with nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to
that.  We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it
down, but I think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus,
Arsenicum Album, and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis).  I
would strongly suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
  for more specific remedies that might help Ginger.  She has you
fill out an extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical
and emotional profile and what might best help them.
  
I'm afraid I spoke too soon about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving.  There
was liquid stool in the litterbox this morning, so we've had another
setback.  There are so many darn variables it's hard to tell what
causes her to improve and what is detrimental.  She is, however, so
very much improved overall.  Something is working.  I was at the point
of considering pts, and now I wouldn't dream of it.  Let us know what
you decide to do for Ginger and certainly let me know if anything you
try seems to help.
Nina
  
  
  
  Nina,
      She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Using homeopathics is such an individual thing.  Hideyo has had great
success with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all.  Patti wrote
about using BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that
helps with nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to
that.  We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it
down, but I think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus,
Arsenicum Album, and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis).  I
would strongly suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
for more specific remedies that might help Ginger.  She has you
fill out an extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical
and emotional profile and what might best help them.

I'm afraid I spoke too soon about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving.  There
was liquid stool in the litterbox this morning, so we've had another
setback.  There are so many darn variables it's hard to tell what
causes her to improve and what is detrimental.  She is, however, so
very much improved overall.  Something is working.  I was at the point
of considering pts, and now I wouldn't dream of it.  Let us know what
you decide to do for Ginger and certainly let me know if anything you
try seems to help.
Nina



Nina,
    She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Question on diarrhea





Thanks. She's been off supplements entirely, although I did give her some 
just before her surgery to try to beef up her immune system, and that is around 
when her diarrhea started (though she did not have diarrhea for the years she 
got the supplements before).  After the surgery, when the diarrhea 
persisted, I took her off all the supplements-- almost a week now.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/30/2005 7:48:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Michelle, Snoball was the only one of mine that ever got diarrhea, and 
  he had it for pretty well a whole summer--2004--off and on. Each time, I 
  had to put him (which meant all of them) all on the chicken diet (which in my 
  case meant blending broiled breast of chicken with Frazier's chicken broth and 
  her recommended supplements for FeLV cats). That didn't work. Snoball's 
  diarrhea only cleared up properly when I stopped all the supplements and began 
  re-introducing them slowly one by one ( a new one each week). I'm afraid I've 
  forgotten now which one appeared to be the culprit. As soon as I stopped using 
  it altogether his diarrhea went away and never reappeared. 
Kerry

Re: Question on diarrhea





What diet are you giving her? This is so complicated, because Lucy is on 
prescription food to prevent her from getting another bladder stone, so we have 
been focusing on ph rather than blandness.  I am worried she is allergic to 
something in the prescription food-- it has occurred to me. Or maybe just the 
sudden switch.  Please let me know what you are feeding Kitty, though, and 
I will see if it can work ph-wise.
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/30/2005 8:56:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Kitty had an awful diarrhea for weeks..we had every 
  test known to vets run (almost literally) and the specialists were convinced 
  she had cancer of the pancreas.  An angel sat on my shoulder and screamed 
  food allergies.  I ran the idea by one of my vets.  After several 
  days trying to find an exclusionary diet she would eat, then just sort of 
  making her one, it cleared up wonderfully.  She is doing just fine.  
  Something to look at.
   
  Take care

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