Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
Yesterday at one point Lucy howled and started open mouth breathing and stumbled to the garage door where there is cold air. I assumed (and still think) it was her anemia getting so bad she was not getting enough oxygen. I almost reached for valium to knock her out for euthanasia, but

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread dede hicken
Michelle, Am still thinking of you and Lucy. I know from experience that a cat's HCT can be super low, and they are still alive. Again, you will know. You are doing everything right, and have gotten advice from knowlegable people. When the time comes, you will be at peace knowing you did

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread elizabeth trent
No - you are not horrible at all. You are thinking of Lucy and how to do what is best and what is right for her. Use your intuition, Michelle - you know her better than anyone. This is such a terrible disease. I've only started reading about it since your ordeal. My heart and my prayers are

Re: Lucy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Leslie
Michelle, The thing with force feeding is that it's worth it if it gets them through something, it's not worth it if it doesn't. And the hard thing with that is that you don't know which situation you're in. Give her a day to not eat to see if the appetite will come back of its own accord.

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Nina
Michelle, I don't think you are horrible for considering euthanizing Lucy. You've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at her and she hasn't responded the way you hoped and now it seems you've come to the agonizing point of resolving yourself to the fact that your intervention won't be

OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread PEC2851
I know this is OT, but I have written about Bart Charity, my ferals to the list.. And off list to Nina Kerry.. The other night, we had a (short) blizzard here And, my room mate was off on an appt. I had to walk my dogs after feeding. (NOT easy, I am so afraid of slipping

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread Kelly L
At 11:11 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: I am soo happy these guys are safe and warm and cared for. It is amazing that regardless of our distress we always accommodate just one more and sleep so much better knowing they are safe. PLEASE let us know how they are doing,, no go make some hot chocolate

RE: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Patti, you are a wonder! Congratulations on getting the furbabies inside and safe from the storm. Here are vibes that they both check out OK at the vet and that Bart doesn't have FIP. You go girl!! Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf

essiac tonic

2007-02-04 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Hi, does anyone know a lot about essiat tonic and what it does to the body? Is it good for other than cancers?

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
actually, I think I meant to ask if I am horrible if I don't euthanise her, not if I do. She is clearly suffering to some extent. Every once in a while she seems to need air, meows and breathes with her mouth open, and if we open a door or window to the cold air she settles down. I gave

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
I have backed off the meds. Just steroid shot once a day, and I gave her a metronidazole and her clindamycin once yesterday instead of twice, in case the metronidazole helps her diarrhea or the clindamycin helps the congestion. And nose drops every other day. That's all, though. I dont

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just don't know Michelle were she my cat, I would have euth'd her already, but she's not my cat. I do know purring isn't necessarily a good sign, they purr when they are miserable too. I think maybe it's time, but only you can see her, and read her body language. Phaewryn

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Kelly L
At 12:20 PM 2/4/2007, you wrote: We tend to put our own subjective feelings on theirbehavior, Cats do purr a lot if they are in severe pain, It is just a reaction, the sunlight is craving warmth,,,nature had a good system of allowing an animal to die when the time was right, They did

Re: Lucy (michelle, bless you, I'm so sorry I have to say this to you)

2007-02-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I care about you, and really want you to know I say this with every bit of compassion and care I can. I know you are suffering and confused, and desperate. Please know I have Lucy's well-being at heart when I say this to you... No, you are absolutely WRONG! Oh please do NOT attempt home

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
I know that about purring. But she only purrs when we pet her, not otherwise, so I do think that means she likes us petting her. In a message dated 2/4/2007 5:07:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just don't know Michelle were she my cat, I would have euth'd

Re: essiac tonic

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
it is used mostly for cancer but also helps the immune system and detoxifies. In a message dated 2/4/2007 5:07:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Hi, does anyone know a lot about essiat tonic and what it does to the body? Is it good for

euthanasia

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
I do not often get offended by this list, and I know I am in a bad state to begin with. But I really take offense at this thing people always say, which at least one of you has said to me in my questioning what to do about euthanasia, that I need to ask if I am keeping her here for me or for

Fwd: from Michelle Lerner

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
Apropos to what I just wrote is an email I got from my old chiropractor, a healer, who I asked the same question of. Michelle ---BeginMessage--- Hi MIchelle, I am so sorry to hear about your sadness. The question you are asking, I am afraid, isn't an easy one to answer. I will do my

Re: euthanasia

2007-02-04 Thread elizabeth trent
Michelle, Please don't cut us off because you are offended by a response. In my heart, I truly believe that response wasn't meant to hurt you. We all need friends who are direct and who tell us exactly what they think - even if it is painful - and not just to tell us what they think we want to

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread BoardMailbox
Charity Bart are in my thoughts and prayers. I think what you are doing is wonderful, Patti. Please keep us updated. Renee

Re: allowing suffering (if you don't like me when I am ranting, then don't read it)

2007-02-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suffering is a sacred process? Ok, just my opinion, but what a load of crap! I hope that person (pam) had truly suffered in her past, so she will be justified/qualified in advocating suffering in others! How the HELL does she know that suffering in a terminal illness is a pathway to spiritual

Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Lernermichelle
Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to

My Dearest Michelle

2007-02-04 Thread Nina
Oh Michelle, I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine how awful it must be to be in the middle of this torment and feel like you have to stay away from the usual support of the list because we've hurt you even more. I'm so upset, I've been so upset right along side you throughout this. All I want

Unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Sheila208
Michelle, Please don't leave this list. You have helped me and so many others with our fur babies. We need your calm loving caring answers that you have always been ready to give. I for one have the same feeling that if one of my babies is eating and still showing a desire to go on I will do

Michelle and Lucy

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
Michelle, You and Lucy are still in my prayers. I'm sorry you're upset by something that's been said. I just skipped about 900 messages because I was worried when I saw you said unsubscribe and thought you had lost Lucy. Please reconsider. You are in a terrible place right now and you

Re: Rompi

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
Hi Paolo, I hope you've got this straightened out by now, but you should be able to just create a whole new yahoo address and rejoin the group. You and Rompi are in my prayers. tonya Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for not having written before, yesterday I was just too

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Oh Michelle PLEASE do not leave us.You have been here for me so many times and it just would not be the same without you here.Phaewryn was not trying to hurt you and maybe she misunderstood what you were saying.That is so easy to do while communicating this way.PLEASE reconsider. Sherry

Re: My Dearest Michelle

2007-02-04 Thread Sheila208
Thank you Nina for saying the right thing again. I guess I kind of panicked when Michelle said she was leaving the list. She has always been so kind and helpful . You are right if she needs time away from us to focus on Lucy . We will still be here for her if she needs us. I pray that she will

Re: Luy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
You can't second guess yourself about if you'd known sooner, etc It is a terrible thing that we have to try to judge the quality of life or amount of pain when we can't just 'ask'. I will say that when I am nauseous I like it to be cool. That might be part of her breathing heavily.

RE: My Dearest Michelle

2007-02-04 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I have not read Michell's posting or other's postings regarding the topic. I feel very strongly that we are here to support each other and not to be judgemental and not to assume anything..

RE: Chris and Mylo

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
Chris, I'm so sorry about Mylo. tonya Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly

Lucy

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
Has Lucy passed? t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I have not read Michell's posting or other's postings regarding the topic. I feel very strongly that we are here to support

Re: Lucy

2007-02-04 Thread Nina
No, at least I haven't heard that. I think when Hideyo typed previous, she meant precious. catatonya wrote: Has Lucy passed? t */Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread catatonya
Patti, Congratulations on just getting through that night! I hope Bart checks out ok with the vet, and the bloating goes away. You are all in my prayers. Be CAREFUL out in the snow and ice. I hope the cold weather breaks soon. I don't remember where you live. But it sounds like the

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Barb Moermond
Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he

Re: Rompi

2007-02-04 Thread Paolo
Tonya, thank you for your thoughts. Yes, thanks to the advices from you all I succeeded in subscribing to the Feline Lymphoma and Feline Cancer groups. It results that I am no longer subscribed to Feline Anemia (!) although I regularly receive all the posts from that group (!). I am just afraid

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread Barb Moermond
Patti, you are an inspiration and an excellent example of mind over matter (or medicine). I agree w/MC about the recliner, that's awesome:) BTW, anyone want to borrow Bandit? Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread Sheila208
Patty, You are so amazing and strong.

Re: OT: Bart Charty are now safe!!!! W/ me!!!

2007-02-04 Thread Sheila208
Patty, Bart Charity are blessed to have you so are we. You are such an inspiration. Please keep us up on there progress. I'm so happy they are out of the cold. Sheila