Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
Thank you Shannon and EVERYONE for your kind words.It sure helps to have folks like you to get me through the hard times of losing these precious babies.I am proud of all that I do for these kids and my heart breaks EVERYTIME we lose one,but the thought of NEVER getting the chance to love and care for them seems to hurt more...if that makes any sense.. once again THANK YOU ALL for being here for me. :) Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Emeraldkittee wrote: From: Emeraldkittee Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 9:07 AM I am so sorry to hear this - what a darling name. Your place sounds so special and I love the website with all the prescious faces - you do a wonderful job. you must have so many angels with tails looking out for you! Shannon and Whimsy --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Sharyl wrote: From: Sharyl Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 5:49 AM Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. What a great name. He sounds like a wonderful fella. Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > From: Sherry DeHaan > Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( > To: "Felvtalk" > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM > We lost another sweet Sids kid > today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he > always had for us...we will miss you GM :( > Sherry > > > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more > temporary > than our own, > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. > Unable to accept its awful gaps. > We still would have it no other way" > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Janine, I am so sorry about your URI kitties death, too. I questioned the sub q fluids too, however, after I called the emergency vet and spoke to them I was doing what my vet told me to do. If I had it to do all over again I would not have even attempted it. The comfort I take in it is that I didn't get any fluids into her so I didn't kill her that way. However, she died while I was trying and that is what upsets me so much. I have a lot of "issues" concerning my vet with this kitten. I feel like both vets that saw my kitten felt as though she would not make it so they didn't really try to help me help her. I hate feeling as though I need to blame someone for the kitten's death but I do. I did things I knew not to do but did them anyway because I was told to so I cannot help but blame myself. However, I feel like my vets should have done more a month ago when I first took my kittens to them so I blame my two vets also. Plus, I think the last week was a total fiasco where my vet was concerned; forgetting to give me the antibiotics and worming too late and possibly giving to much Strongid to the one who died. I can live with myself tonight because my kitten was having trouble breathing before I tried to sub q her so I know I didn't cause the breathing problems. She was at her sickest point ever before I killed her and possibly wouldn't have made it anyway. However, I will never know now. She didn't die on her own accord; she died because I placed her in a position to where she was unable to breathe. Therefore, I didn't give her a fighting chance. I have to live with this. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 7:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Kim, it's a horrifying experience to go through. You are right, Laura, so many of us do have the same story and it just happened here - a mild URI, a sudden difficulty in breathing, emergency vet visit, then gone a few hrs later, but unlike your kitty, by himself with his brother as a witness.At 4 months, this was NOT normal. Kim, you were fighting something you couldn't see. But try to look at this in a different way - you loved her and you gave her your best because you loved her. I'm not sure sub-q'ing fluids when a kitten is struggling to breathe is the safest thing to do anyway, so maybe it was just time for her to pass. So Kim, she is lucky she left while you were holding her, no matter what position. You didn't kill her, whatever was ailing her killed her - you were trying to help her. Janine From: LauraM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 6:43:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Oh, Kim, I have been through this so many times and so many times I've said "I killed my cat/tortoise/lizard/snake/whatever." You did not kill her. You did the best you could at the time with the information you had, and I am so sorry that you feel this way. It's normal to blame oneself but hindsight is 20/20; a cliche, I know, but so true. On St Patrick's Day my FeLV+ cat, Bridget, died at the vet. She was there to be spayed but never made it to the table - they put her under and she died. Horrible. But what was even more horrible was that I had a premonition that she would die during surgery, for weeks. A voice literally screamed in my head. DON'T DO IT, SHE WILL DIE. And yet I did it, and got that awful phone call from the vet. That night I posted on this forum - "it's my fault, I killed her." I was so grateful for the assurances from other members that no, I didn't kill her.I tried my best and something happened. I am sure that many other folks will have a similar story. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Laura, I am so sorry to read about your FeLV cat, Bridget's death. I agree with everyone else; it wasn't your fault that she died. I think I'm going to keep telling myself what people around you told you. I tried my best, and something happened. I cried all day up until about an hour ago. It wasn't going to bring her back and it wasn't helping me or the other kittens I need to take care of. It is so hard to walk into the kitten room and see the other three kittens looking around for their sister. I had to keep them separated because the other three played too rough with her but I'd take her in their several times a day and allow supervised play time. I let them see her body and they smelled her and curled up with her for a while. I wonder if they understand. My husband is going to burry her tomorrow. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Oh, Kim, I have been through this so many times and so many times I've said "I killed my cat/tortoise/lizard/snake/whatever." You did not kill her. You did the best you could at the time with the information you had, and I am so sorry that you feel this way. It's normal to blame oneself but hindsight is 20/20; a cliche, I know, but so true. On St Patrick's Day my FeLV+ cat, Bridget, died at the vet. She was there to be spayed but never made it to the table - they put her under and she died. Horrible. But what was even more horrible was that I had a premonition that she would die during surgery, for weeks. A voice literally screamed in my head. DON'T DO IT, SHE WILL DIE. And yet I did it, and got that awful phone call from the vet. That night I posted on this forum - "it's my fault, I killed her." I was so grateful for the assurances from other members that no, I didn't kill her.I tried my best and something happened. I am sure that many other folks will have a similar story. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Thanks so much Sally. You are so right, she was loved and warm and I hope she had a full enough belly when she died. Lots die out in the cold, hungry and alone where no one loves them. Thanks for allowing me to remember and give myself credit for the good parts about her death. I appreciate your email. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SALLY NORDSTROM Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Kim, you did not kill your kitten. Your kitten was ill or had a congenital defect and simply was not destined to survive. You gave her love, warmth, security and a full belly. She was very lucky that you found her and she knew it on some level. Be good to yourself. Mourn your loss and take your time. You did your level best and even if you don't know that right now, all the rest of us do and we are hurting because of your pain. You aren't alone and I honor you for the help you gave her and continue to give to the other furbabies that you have now and that will undoubtedly come your way. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA & NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:28 PM Dear Kim, I am so sorry about your kitten's death! I'm sure that at one time or another, each one of us who has dealt with sick cats and kittens, takes the blame for their death. You did all you could! Your kitten seems to have had some serious health problems and was probably underweight because of them; at 2 months old, she should ideally have weighed almost 2 lbs. I would probably question whether the vet gave her the right dose of dewormer etc. Don't blame yourself...you did NOT kill the kitten! It's so natural for us to question ourselves when something goes wrong! I have just gone through a kitten death two weeks ago. A practically newborn kitten was found in a window-well filled with water after a heavy rain. Someone looked down and saw a tiny orange kitten - under water except for the head. A call went out to anyone who might have a nursing mother - I did and still do. The kitten was probably 4 days old by then...our kittens were already 4 weeks old and gigantic compared to this baby. The mother was very willing to accept little Puddles, but he showed no desire to suckI had to feed him with an eyedropper. All went well, but after 5 days, Puddles didn't want to drink as much KMR and started feeling cold, although I kept him in a small carrier on heated disks for warmth, and fed him every two hours except for 4 hrs at night. I took him to the vet, and as he examined him, Puddles died right then and there...his temperature was only 95.6!. I blamed myself for just about everything, but I know that I did what I could correctly...I have raised so many tiny kittens to adulthood, why not this one? Maybe Puddles never got to drink his mother's milk to get any colostrumswe'll never know. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Sharyl, Thanks for the email. I've been doing better today telling myself I wasn't to blame but it still doesn't help much. I tend to be so hard on myself when one dies. I hope that your little kitten improves. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 4:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Kim, you didn't kill her. You were trying to save her. 3/4 of a lb at 2 months is awfully small. She probably had failure to thrive syndrome. All we can do is try to help them the best we can. I have a kitten now I am assist feeding who just isn't growing. He sounds like he has severe nasal congestion. We are on our 3 abx and not seeing any improvement. But we keep trying. That's all any of us can do. You loved her and that's what counts. Sharyl --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Kim wrote: > From: Kim > Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:52 PM > I am having such a hard time today > with my kitten's death. > My little kitten that was 2 months old died last > night. She weighed 3/4 of > a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had > raised since they were > four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me > the month I had her. > My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't > so sure when she > threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her > food down since the very > beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her > three siblings. She > was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave > her a small bowl of KMR > and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty > breathing and was > breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten > food earlier and > was doing fine. > She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q > injection. I > don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed > her. She couldn't breathe > and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her > in a position > that her breathing worse because she just went limp and > died in my hands. > It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any > fluids. I knew she > was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and > she was unable to > breath because of it. > I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet > kitten and even > though I can't admit it in front of her other three > siblings she was my > favorite. > Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms > fighting the Strongid and > migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? > Did the KMR have > something to do with it? > I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms > Thursday night I told her > to hang in there and I would get her all better in the > morning after the vet > wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did > wrong by her. > I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it > all back. She > didn't deserve to die this way. > Kim > > "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut > surely the world will > change for that one pet..." > > The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were > killed in a > shelter today. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Hi Natalie, I've been doing this for 20 years now and this year has been my worst year ever. About 2 months ago, I removed a cat from the pound who just had 4 kittens the night before. The kittens weren't even 24 hours old yet and they were waiting in line to be pts. Well, 2 weeks after she was in my home she came down with a horrible URI and my vet assured me that the kittens would be protected by the mother's milk and they would not get it. Well, long story short, they got it. Then the mother cat decided to drown one in the water bowl and she deheaded the other one. After feeding the other 2 with a stomach tube and doing sub q fluids I had to take the last 2 of her kittens to be put to sleep because they kept fading. The mother cat is doing fine now though. This is only a small sample of my year with kittens. I was talking to my husband and we both feel like the kitten was given too much wormer. I doubt the kitten that only weighed 3/4 pound should have been given the same amount as her siblings who weighed 2 and 1/4 pounds. I can only go by what my vet tells me. I brought them all in to the vet's office when I first got them. My first guess was worms when the little kitten was throwing up. My vet tested the poop samples and they came back negative. Then I was told the little kitten who was throwing up had mega esophagus. I babied her for a month and had her in and out of the vet's office. Thursday night when I saw the roundworms being thrown up I felt like she would improve once wormed. This time I saw a different vet in the same office who agreed that she could be full of worms and that was causing her to throw up; might not be mega esophagus. The breathing problems only started Monday night, 5 days before I saw the worms being thrown up. I'm trying not to blame myself but I do feel like if the vet had wormed them all at four weeks old this would be a whole new story with a different ending. I do blame myself for not being more assertive in getting them wormed earlier. My vet doesn't like to worm animals if their poop samples don't show any signs of parasites. I've told them time and time again that animals can have normal samples but still have parasites. They just don't show up at the time of the testing. I also blame myself for not questioning my vet for not giving me an antibiotic to give at home when we were there on Monday night. She gave my kitten an antibiotic injection but nothing went home with me. When I was there on Friday getting them wormed I asked about the need for antibiotics (in case she had pneumonia) and she told me that she had forgotten to give me an antibiotic on Monday and remembered it after we had left the office. I don't know why my vet couldn't have called me and had me come back to get it. When I left the vet's office on Monday my vet told me that my kitten would most likely die that night. Well, she didn't, she actually improved and was playing and eating well and throwing up minimally. She had a bad day Thursday and after I saw the worms being thrown up I knew in my heart what her problem was all along. I had very high hopes of her improving after she was wormed but that didn't happen. It was her worst, last few hours ever. I am so sorry about your kitten, Puddles. I've raised the newborn orphans for 20 years now (it's what I do for the humane society here because no one else wants to put the time into them that's needed to keep them alive) and I've syringe fed them all with very good outcomes. I've lost only a handful and several have had FeLV or congenital problems or neurological disorders but have done well. I appreciate what you did for Puddles and I know Puddles did, too. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 4:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Dear Kim, I am so sorry about your kitten's death! I'm sure that at one time or another, each one of us who has dealt with sick cats and kittens, takes the blame for their death. You did all you could! Your kitten seems to have had some serious health problems and was probably underweight because of them; at 2 months old, she should ideally have weighed almost 2 lbs. I would probably question whether the vet gave her the right dose of dewormer etc. Don't blame yourself...you did NOT kill the kitten! It's so natural for us to question ourselves when something goes wrong! I have just gone through a kitten death two weeks ago. A practically newborn kitten was found in a window-well filled with water after a heavy rain. Someone looked down and saw a tiny orange kitten - under water except for the head. A
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Kim, it's a horrifying experience to go through. You are right, Laura, so many of us do have the same story and it just happened here - a mild URI, a sudden difficulty in breathing, emergency vet visit, then gone a few hrs later, but unlike your kitty, by himself with his brother as a witness.At 4 months, this was NOT normal. Kim, you were fighting something you couldn't see. But try to look at this in a different way - you loved her and you gave her your best because you loved her. I'm not sure sub-q'ing fluids when a kitten is struggling to breathe is the safest thing to do anyway, so maybe it was just time for her to pass. So Kim, she is lucky she left while you were holding her, no matter what position. You didn't kill her, whatever was ailing her killed her - you were trying to help her. Janine From: LauraM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 6:43:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Oh, Kim, I have been through this so many times and so many times I've said "I killed my cat/tortoise/lizard/snake/whatever." You did not kill her. You did the best you could at the time with the information you had, and I am so sorry that you feel this way. It's normal to blame oneself but hindsight is 20/20; a cliche, I know, but so true. On St Patrick's Day my FeLV+ cat, Bridget, died at the vet. She was there to be spayed but never made it to the table - they put her under and she died. Horrible. But what was even more horrible was that I had a premonition that she would die during surgery, for weeks. A voice literally screamed in my head. DON'T DO IT, SHE WILL DIE. And yet I did it, and got that awful phone call from the vet. That night I posted on this forum - "it's my fault, I killed her." I was so grateful for the assurances from other members that no, I didn't kill her.I tried my best and something happened. I am sure that many other folks will have a similar story. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Oh, Kim, I have been through this so many times and so many times I've said "I killed my cat/tortoise/lizard/snake/whatever." You did not kill her. You did the best you could at the time with the information you had, and I am so sorry that you feel this way. It's normal to blame oneself but hindsight is 20/20; a cliche, I know, but so true. On St Patrick's Day my FeLV+ cat, Bridget, died at the vet. She was there to be spayed but never made it to the table - they put her under and she died. Horrible. But what was even more horrible was that I had a premonition that she would die during surgery, for weeks. A voice literally screamed in my head. DON'T DO IT, SHE WILL DIE. And yet I did it, and got that awful phone call from the vet. That night I posted on this forum - "it's my fault, I killed her." I was so grateful for the assurances from other members that no, I didn't kill her.I tried my best and something happened. I am sure that many other folks will have a similar story. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Kim, you did not kill your kitten. Your kitten was ill or had a congenital defect and simply was not destined to survive. You gave her love, warmth, security and a full belly. She was very lucky that you found her and she knew it on some level. Be good to yourself. Mourn your loss and take your time. You did your level best and even if you don't know that right now, all the rest of us do and we are hurting because of your pain. You aren't alone and I honor you for the help you gave her and continue to give to the other furbabies that you have now and that will undoubtedly come your way. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA & NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:28 PM Dear Kim, I am so sorry about your kitten's death! I'm sure that at one time or another, each one of us who has dealt with sick cats and kittens, takes the blame for their death. You did all you could! Your kitten seems to have had some serious health problems and was probably underweight because of them; at 2 months old, she should ideally have weighed almost 2 lbs. I would probably question whether the vet gave her the right dose of dewormer etc. Don't blame yourself...you did NOT kill the kitten! It's so natural for us to question ourselves when something goes wrong! I have just gone through a kitten death two weeks ago. A practically newborn kitten was found in a window-well filled with water after a heavy rain. Someone looked down and saw a tiny orange kitten - under water except for the head. A call went out to anyone who might have a nursing mother - I did and still do. The kitten was probably 4 days old by then...our kittens were already 4 weeks old and gigantic compared to this baby. The mother was very willing to accept little Puddles, but he showed no desire to suckI had to feed him with an eyedropper. All went well, but after 5 days, Puddles didn't want to drink as much KMR and started feeling cold, although I kept him in a small carrier on heated disks for warmth, and fed him every two hours except for 4 hrs at night. I took him to the vet, and as he examined him, Puddles died right then and there...his temperature was only 95.6!. I blamed myself for just about everything, but I know that I did what I could correctly...I have raised so many tiny kittens to adulthood, why not this one? Maybe Puddles never got to drink his mother's milk to get any colostrumswe'll never know. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did wrong by her. I am so sorry I did th
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
One of my small kittens, the runt, although he weighed 1.5 lbs at 6 weeks old (much smaller than his three sisters) - developed head tilt - it was an inner ear infection. After being on Clavamox (1/4 mL 2X daily) - he improved almost overnight. Doing well now. Does your kitten have a mother? Hope he gets well and gains some weight! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 4:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Kim, you didn't kill her. You were trying to save her. 3/4 of a lb at 2 months is awfully small. She probably had failure to thrive syndrome. All we can do is try to help them the best we can. I have a kitten now I am assist feeding who just isn't growing. He sounds like he has severe nasal congestion. We are on our 3 abx and not seeing any improvement. But we keep trying. That's all any of us can do. You loved her and that's what counts. Sharyl --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Kim wrote: > From: Kim > Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:52 PM > I am having such a hard time today > with my kitten's death. > My little kitten that was 2 months old died last > night. She weighed 3/4 of > a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had > raised since they were > four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me > the month I had her. > My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't > so sure when she > threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her > food down since the very > beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her > three siblings. She > was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave > her a small bowl of KMR > and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty > breathing and was > breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten > food earlier and > was doing fine. > She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q > injection. I > don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed > her. She couldn't breathe > and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her > in a position > that her breathing worse because she just went limp and > died in my hands. > It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any > fluids. I knew she > was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and > she was unable to > breath because of it. > I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet > kitten and even > though I can't admit it in front of her other three > siblings she was my > favorite. > Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms > fighting the Strongid and > migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? > Did the KMR have > something to do with it? > I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms > Thursday night I told her > to hang in there and I would get her all better in the > morning after the vet > wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did > wrong by her. > I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it > all back. She > didn't deserve to die this way. > Kim > > "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut > surely the world will > change for that one pet..." > > The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were > killed in a > shelter today. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Kim, you didn't kill her. You were trying to save her. 3/4 of a lb at 2 months is awfully small. She probably had failure to thrive syndrome. All we can do is try to help them the best we can. I have a kitten now I am assist feeding who just isn't growing. He sounds like he has severe nasal congestion. We are on our 3 abx and not seeing any improvement. But we keep trying. That's all any of us can do. You loved her and that's what counts. Sharyl --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Kim wrote: > From: Kim > Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:52 PM > I am having such a hard time today > with my kitten's death. > My little kitten that was 2 months old died last > night. She weighed 3/4 of > a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had > raised since they were > four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me > the month I had her. > My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't > so sure when she > threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her > food down since the very > beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her > three siblings. She > was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave > her a small bowl of KMR > and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty > breathing and was > breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten > food earlier and > was doing fine. > She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q > injection. I > don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed > her. She couldn't breathe > and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her > in a position > that her breathing worse because she just went limp and > died in my hands. > It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any > fluids. I knew she > was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and > she was unable to > breath because of it. > I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet > kitten and even > though I can't admit it in front of her other three > siblings she was my > favorite. > Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms > fighting the Strongid and > migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? > Did the KMR have > something to do with it? > I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms > Thursday night I told her > to hang in there and I would get her all better in the > morning after the vet > wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did > wrong by her. > I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it > all back. She > didn't deserve to die this way. > Kim > > "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut > surely the world will > change for that one pet..." > > The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were > killed in a > shelter today. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Dear Kim, I am so sorry about your kitten's death! I'm sure that at one time or another, each one of us who has dealt with sick cats and kittens, takes the blame for their death. You did all you could! Your kitten seems to have had some serious health problems and was probably underweight because of them; at 2 months old, she should ideally have weighed almost 2 lbs. I would probably question whether the vet gave her the right dose of dewormer etc. Don't blame yourself...you did NOT kill the kitten! It's so natural for us to question ourselves when something goes wrong! I have just gone through a kitten death two weeks ago. A practically newborn kitten was found in a window-well filled with water after a heavy rain. Someone looked down and saw a tiny orange kitten - under water except for the head. A call went out to anyone who might have a nursing mother - I did and still do. The kitten was probably 4 days old by then...our kittens were already 4 weeks old and gigantic compared to this baby. The mother was very willing to accept little Puddles, but he showed no desire to suckI had to feed him with an eyedropper. All went well, but after 5 days, Puddles didn't want to drink as much KMR and started feeling cold, although I kept him in a small carrier on heated disks for warmth, and fed him every two hours except for 4 hrs at night. I took him to the vet, and as he examined him, Puddles died right then and there...his temperature was only 95.6!. I blamed myself for just about everything, but I know that I did what I could correctly...I have raised so many tiny kittens to adulthood, why not this one? Maybe Puddles never got to drink his mother's milk to get any colostrumswe'll never know. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did wrong by her. I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it all back. She didn't deserve to die this way. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
That was time... --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Kim wrote: From: Kim Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:52 PM I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did wrong by her. I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it all back. She didn't deserve to die this way. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did wrong by her. I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it all back. She didn't deserve to die this way. Kim "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 > From: at...@optonline.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage > > Stacey and Spanky, > > Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, > but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with > this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't > been tried for that yet. Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage > > One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and > instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as > long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course > not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so > before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry about GM - I had Diesel a few years ago - new owners changed it to Tigger.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. What a great name. He sounds like a wonderful fella. Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > From: Sherry DeHaan > Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( > To: "Felvtalk" > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM > We lost another sweet Sids kid > today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he > always had for us...we will miss you GM :( > Sherry > > > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more > temporary > than our own, > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. > Unable to accept its awful gaps. > We still would have it no other way" > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry to hear this - what a darling name. Your place sounds so special and I love the website with all the prescious faces - you do a wonderful job. you must have so many angels with tails looking out for you! Shannon and Whimsy --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Sharyl wrote: From: Sharyl Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 5:49 AM Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. What a great name. He sounds like a wonderful fella. Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > From: Sherry DeHaan > Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( > To: "Felvtalk" > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM > We lost another sweet Sids kid > today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he > always had for us...we will miss you GM :( > Sherry > > > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more > temporary > than our own, > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. > Unable to accept its awful gaps. > We still would have it no other way" > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. What a great name. He sounds like a wonderful fella. Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > From: Sherry DeHaan > Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( > To: "Felvtalk" > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM > We lost another sweet Sids kid > today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he > always had for us...we will miss you GM :( > Sherry > > > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more > temporary > than our own, > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. > Unable to accept its awful gaps. > We still would have it no other way" > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org