Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter dangers

[Beth Noren]

Yes, I've used "Dumor" brand "Starter/Grower Chick Feed".  I get it
from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.  Plus.
my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
Best, which is pretty similar.

Hope this helps,
Beth N.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> I've often wondered and worried about this chemical stuff in
> the clumping litter.  A friend of mine uses ground chicken corn.
> Have any of you tried this?  She says it's not only safer but
> much less expensive.

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

[katskat1]

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
> like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
> other impression.
> On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:
>
>> The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
>> We have
>> quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
>> side of
>> their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
>> front -
>> and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
>> feral
>> and are mushes now.
>> Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
>> always
>> surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>>
>> Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
>> trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
>> under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
>> She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
>> pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
>> the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
>> his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
>> clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
>> is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
>> of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
>> others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
>> cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
>> quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
>>> in a bad
>>> mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
>>> the body's
>>> systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
>>> of their
>>> babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.
>>>
>>> Diane R.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>>>
>>> Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
>>> don't know
>>> his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
>>> brought in
>>> from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
>>> sick
>>> kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat".  One is a year out from the
>>> extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
>>> of
>>> those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
>>> too, and
>>> his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
>>> clinic for
>>> a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
>>> probably
>>> can't do that, though.
>>>
>>> All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
>>> couldn't
>>> believe it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie  wrote:
>>>
 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans

[katskat1]

Tee Hee...

I will pretend I didn't get these emails.  I will also pretend I have
never done that kind of thing myself.  What else can you do when the
Government/FDA works so hard to protect ourselves from ourselves?
(also known as make money)

Kat

On 7/7/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote:
>> Hi Kat,
>>
>> I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth
>> recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything
>>
>> I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly
>> enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the
>> vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.
>>
>> Cindy
>
> I can identify with that Cindy.  I recently got a bad cat bite and
> used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human
> Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm
> was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I
> saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin.  The last time I was
> bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin.
> Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names,
> so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to
> take for how long.
>
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

[katskat1]

Ben,

I cried when you wrote about Dexter.  He sounds like he fought til he
just got too tired and did what he could to let you know it was time
for him to move on.  It is so hard to make that choice.  Makes you
feel like you are 'playing' God sometimes but I think He knows and
gives us that 'power' to use wisely, judiciously and to help our
fur-babies when necessary. And Dexter knew, he told you, and now he's
healthy, happy and waiting for you to show up.

Anyway, you say you can get Interferon at vetcentric.com but neither
of my vets are registered with them and apparently they have to have a
vet Rx to ship anything so.

Is what you get from them the Virbagen Interferon Omega or the human
stuff?  If it is the Virbagen Interferon Omega and you have some, can
I ask what state you are in?  I am in Ohio but if you have some of the
Omega available I would like to know if you would give me your address
so I can send you $ for shipping some to me?

How long does it last?  What is the dosage?  Do you refrigerate it?
Freeze it?  Etc.  If you are willing/able to send some please respond
to me directly if possible.

katofo...@gmail.com

Thanks a zillion!  My FeLV+ kitty, Luke (I know, sick name but when
she tested positive I just started calling her my Luke Kitty and it
stuck.  What can I say?) will probably have all teeth pulled soon if I
can come up with the $.

She is having a hard time eating, seems to be losing appetite but
still purrs up a storm when scritched.  Refuses food with ANY meds;
L-Lysine, Amoxicillin, tooth meds, etc.; drinks a little kitten milk
replacement unless I try to mix any meds in it;  eats a very small
amount of canned food unless I add meds;  trying to syringe force her
gets me scratched, she spits most of it up and she and I both get VERY
stressed.  Her teeth are rotting.  She probably doesn't have long as I
can't afford much in the way of meds on unemployment but I want to
help her if I can so she has a good life as long as possible...

Bless all of you for the information, support and help you offer.
Hope to hear from you Ben.

Kat


On 7/9/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:
> Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting.  Tried it once, no
> more!  Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards.  Androgravis is not
> too good either.  Best to disguise those 2.
>  Natalie  wrote:
>> And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
>> and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used
>> to
>> cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
>> and animals.
>> Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now,
>> instead
>> of waiting for cancer to return?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
>>
>> All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
>> protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
>> someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And
>> then,
>> after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
>> takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
>> are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
>> When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
>> can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after
>> years
>> of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want
>> to
>> take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said
>> that
>> if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood
>> and
>> assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse
>> to
>> go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
>>  Ben Williams  wrote:
>> > http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
>> >
>> > You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference
>> > and
>> > the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
>> > availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
>> the
>> > world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
>> > worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a
>> > drug
>> > that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
>> everywhere
>> > else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
>> > Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
>> simple.
>> > However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
>> potential
>> > in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the
>> > DEA
>> > and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight pack

Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

[molveywda]

My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
disgusting.  I have to turn away.

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From: "dlgegg" 
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
To: 

On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.


 Natalie  wrote: 
>   
> 
> Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
> 
> 
> By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
> 
> How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
> grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer gourmet
> treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
> snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
> feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
> 
> Grazing in the Grass
> 
> The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
> well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
> production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
> lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
> enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid and
> nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
> who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
> to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
> these.
> 
> That Laxative Appeal
> 
> Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
> natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them pass
> worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
> offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
> veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
> clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
> out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
> stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
> the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
> insides.
> 
> Heave-Ho
> 
> After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
> those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's because
> cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
> regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
> have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
> bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
> is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if the
> process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
> cat for upchucking!
> 
> Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?
> 
> While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
> not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
> amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could indicate
> intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
> indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
> her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
> use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
> of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
> reason to keep your cat indoors
>  .
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] CAT FOOD RECALL

[dlgegg]

iS THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ROUND OF DOG/CAT FOOD RECALLS LIKE THE LAST ONE?  
It is getting to be as bad as human foods.  Timeto start growing our own for 
ourselves and our pets.
 Beth  wrote: 
> Salmonella
> 
> dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> >Why are the being recalled?  cotminents or what?  I dn't use any of them, 
> >just Blue Buffalo, just curious.
> >
> > Natalie  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> URGENT PET FOOD RECALL- PLS CROSS POST
> >> 
> >>  
> >>  >> monella-fears/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl4|sec3_lnk1|74045>
> >> http://www.walletpop.com/2011/06/28/nestle-purina-recalls-cat-food-over-salm
> >> onella-fears/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl4|sec3_lnk1|74045
> >> 
> >> Included in the recall are: 
> >> 
> >> *  Cat Chow Naturals Dry Cat Food in 6.3-pound bags with a "best by"
> >> date of August 2012, a production code of 10331083 13 and a UPC number of
> >> 17800 11320. 
> >> *  Friskies Grillers Blend Dry Cat Food in 3.15-pound bags with a "best
> >> by" date of August 2012, a production code of 10381083 06 and a UPC number
> >> of 5 08450. 
> >> *  Friskies Grillers Blend Dry Cat Food in 16-pound bags with a "best
> >> by" date of August 2012, a production code of 10381083 06 and a UPC number
> >> of 5 57578. 
> >> 
> >>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[molveywda]

A few years back I had to euthanize a kitty that had FIP.  He did have fluid in 
his lungs but it did not come out when he was euthanised so if Dexter had fluid 
come out it doesn't mean that he for sure had it in his lungs.  It's kind of 
weird how some release bodily fluids when they die and some don't.  I found a 
dead possum in the road that had poop beside him and then I had a foster kitten 
die that did pee when she left her body.  So I've seen them release fluids and 
not do it.  When my FeLV kitty died in the vet's office in March she had blood 
in her chest and couldn't breath but when she died on the table right in front 
of me she didn't release any fluids nor did blood come out of her nose or 
mouth.  Oh crap, now that I'm thinking about her I'm starting to cry again.  
Thought I was done with tears from that experience.  Man, dealing with animals 
can really hurt.



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From: "dlgegg" 
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: 
Cc: "Diane Rosenfeldt" 


The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved them 
enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt  wrote: 
> Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
> has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
> this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
> can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
> escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
> own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
> fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
> was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
> him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
> natural.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
> 
> I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
> but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
> always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
> about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
> NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
> 
> It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
> This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
> a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
> plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
> world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
> natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
> even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
> This, again, is not a sign of pain.
> On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
> 
> > Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
> > haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
> > You've
> > all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
> > - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
> > that little boy.  He was so special to us.
> >
> >  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
> > have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
> > please just skip this one:
> >
> > Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
> > this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
> > injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
> > A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
> > yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
> > was fluid that had started to
> > collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
> > I don't
> > know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
> > while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
> > X- ray on

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[dlgegg]

One thing Ihave learned since being a part of this group is that they are the 
most caring, loving people I have ever known.  It seems that when someone loves 
and cares for an animal, they have a greater abundance of love for everyone, 
including people.  I am glad to have found all of you and keep you in my 
prayers always.
 Ben Williams  wrote: 
> I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
> words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
> and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
> Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
> received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
> Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
> night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
> immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
> been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
> yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
> three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
> injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
> on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
> advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
> shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
> blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
> he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
> informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
> aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
> when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
> him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
> the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
> Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
> Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
> calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
> and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
> I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
> yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
> returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
> his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
> in, his advice was to "take him home and make him comfortable."  A week
> passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
> treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
> took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
> Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
> done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
> with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
> doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
> year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
> without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
> more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
> Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
> though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
> we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
> swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
> When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
> well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
> it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
> probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
> labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
> pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
> well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
> of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
> temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
> terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
> everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
> morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
> little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
> on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
> We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
> for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

[dlgegg]

Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting.  Tried it once, no 
more!  Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards.  Androgravis is not too 
good either.  Best to disguise those 2.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
> and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
> cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
> and animals.
> Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
> of waiting for cancer to return?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
> 
> All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
> protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
> someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
> after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
> takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
> are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
> When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
> can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
> of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
> take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
> if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
> assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
> go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
>  Ben Williams  wrote: 
> > http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
> > 
> > You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
> > the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
> > availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
> the
> > world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
> > worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
> > that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
> everywhere
> > else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
> > Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
> simple.
> > However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
> potential
> > in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
> > and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
> from
> > Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
> > import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
> > and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
> honor.
> > 
> > 
> > So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
> and
> > senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
> > Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
> > cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

[dlgegg]

I am.  Ever once i a while I give in and eat a hotdog, then I put them in the 
freezer for 6 or 8 months and give in again.  Sort of like my White Castle 
hamburgers.  They were once called belly bombers for a reason, but they taste 
so good.  All those grilled onions which I order extra on mine.  I eat lots of 
onion and garlic and now thanks to DR. Oz, am adding lots of rosemary to my 
meals.  It aids your memory and boy do I need that!  Since I met Mary, I am 
leaning to mostly Vietnamese foods.  They are very low in fats, sugar unlike 
Chinese and Thai.  Lots of greens, very little meat, lots of rice noodles.  I 
love Thai, but it does have a lot of sugar.  
 Natalie  wrote: 
> And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
> and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
> cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
> and animals.
> Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
> of waiting for cancer to return?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
> 
> All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
> protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
> someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
> after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
> takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
> are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
> When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
> can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
> of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
> take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
> if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
> assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
> go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
>  Ben Williams  wrote: 
> > http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
> > 
> > You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
> > the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
> > availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
> the
> > world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
> > worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
> > that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
> everywhere
> > else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
> > Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
> simple.
> > However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
> potential
> > in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
> > and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
> from
> > Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
> > import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
> > and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
> honor.
> > 
> > 
> > So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
> and
> > senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
> > Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
> > cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

[Natalie]

And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
and animals.
Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
of waiting for cancer to return?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
 Ben Williams  wrote: 
> http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
> 
> You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
> the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
> availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
the
> world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
> worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
> that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
everywhere
> else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
> Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
simple.
> However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
potential
> in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
> and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
from
> Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
> import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
> and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
honor.
> 
> 
> So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
and
> senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
> Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
> cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[dlgegg]

The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved them 
enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt  wrote: 
> Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
> has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
> this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
> can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
> escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
> own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
> fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
> was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
> him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
> natural.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
> 
> I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
> but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
> always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
> about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
> NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
> 
> It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
> This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
> a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
> plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
> world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
> natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
> even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
> This, again, is not a sign of pain.
> On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
> 
> > Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
> > haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
> > You've
> > all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
> > - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
> > that little boy.  He was so special to us.
> >
> >  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
> > have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
> > please just skip this one:
> >
> > Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
> > this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
> > injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
> > A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
> > yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
> > was fluid that had started to
> > collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
> > I don't
> > know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
> > while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
> > X- ray on
> > sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
> > Sorry for
> > the awkward question.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson 
> >  > >wrote:
> >
> >> My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry 
> >> Dexter is gone, but he will live within your heart now.
> >>
> >> You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.
> >>
> >> My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
> >>
> >> Lynda
> >> - Original Message - From: "Ben Williams" 
> >>  >> >
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your 
> >> kind
> >>> words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
> >>> shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to 
> >>> us.
> >>> Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us 
> >>> both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas 
> >>> Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Can

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

[dlgegg]

All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is 
protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure 
someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then, 
after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes 
the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why are we 
having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.  When I 
check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause 
cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo 
which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to take them 
and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that if it came 
back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and assist me in 
a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to go thru chemo 
again.  You may as well be dead.
 Ben Williams  wrote: 
> http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
> 
> You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
> the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
> availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
> world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
> worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
> that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
> else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
> Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
> However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
> in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
> and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
> Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
> import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
> and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.
> 
> 
> So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
> senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
> Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
> cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[dlgegg]

Just like humans, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

 Lynda Wilson  wrote: 
> You're right, but my cat loved it.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> 
> > Yes, I have tried it - it costs a lot more than just good old plain
> > probiotics/acidophilus and cats immediately detect it in the food - won't
> > touch it! I think it's just one more way for the company and vets to make
> > money on a product "specifically" for cats.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:14 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >
> > Have you tried Fortiflora?
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Natalie" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >
> >
> >> The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
> >> renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
> >> poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
> >> Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
> >> bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
> >> None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
> >> acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, 
> >> it's
> >> NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream 
> >> consistency!
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >>
> >>
> >> I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up
> >> in
> >> the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
> >> soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to
> >> find
> >> which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I
> >> put
> >> everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat 
> >> anymore
> >> anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio 
> >> door
> >> wide open to get the smell out.
> >>
> >> He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard
> >> that
> >> it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
> >> else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
> >> poops?
> >>
> >>
> >> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
> >> are
> >> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> >> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> >> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> >> Twain
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
> >>> From: at...@optonline.net
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >>>
> >>> We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
> >> her
> >>> poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night
> >>> until
> >>> she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> >>> International smelliest poop contest!
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
> >>> poop! His name is Sugar after all.
> >>>
> >>> Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
> >>> couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
> >>> first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the 
> >>> different
> >>> kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets 
> >>> so
> >>> confusing though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
> >>> are
> >>> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> >>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
> >>> me
> >>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> >>> Twain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> >>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500
> >>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> >>> >
> >>> > I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter
> >>> > boxes
> >>> in
> >>> >

Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

[dlgegg]

On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.


 Natalie  wrote: 
>   
> 
> Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
> 
> 
> By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
> 
> How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
> grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer gourmet
> treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
> snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
> feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
> 
> Grazing in the Grass
> 
> The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
> well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
> production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
> lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
> enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid and
> nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
> who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
> to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
> these.
> 
> That Laxative Appeal
> 
> Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
> natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them pass
> worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
> offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
> veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
> clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
> out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
> stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
> the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
> insides.
> 
> Heave-Ho
> 
> After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
> those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's because
> cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
> regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
> have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
> bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
> is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if the
> process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
> cat for upchucking!
> 
> Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?
> 
> While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
> not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
> amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could indicate
> intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
> indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
> her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
> use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
> of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
> reason to keep your cat indoors
>  .
> 
> Growing your Own
> 
> If your cat seems to enjoy the taste and texture of grass, give her a small
> grazing area of her own in your home. So-called feline herbs or
> greens-usually wheat
> 
> or oat grass - come pre-packaged at pet supply stores, as seeds or in
> pre-spouted form. Cats generally prefer this to regular grass and you can be
> sure it hasn't been treated. Fresh catnip is also easy to grow, and
> obviously gets cats' approval and attention. Set Kitty's private planter in
> a favorite spot that's easily accessible. You'll know she's enjoying fresh,
> safe greens. You'll also know when she's consumed them, thanks to the sound
> of feline retching that follows.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[dlgegg]

Mine prefer outside unless it is bad weather or very hot.  They go to the woods 
for a couple of mice, voles, moles or shrews, do their business and come back 
to the deck where their water bowl is, find a comfortable spot and take a nap.


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> I used it a few years ago.  My cats liked the Feline Pine that was 
> shredded up and scoopable, but they refused to use the pellets.
> 
> The Wheat litter is good but too expensive when you have as many 
> cats as I have.   Fortunately my cats only use their litter boxes
> at night when they are inside, or during the winter. Otherwise they
> prefer going outside to do their biz.  We have a couple of acres of
> woods around our house and no traffic so it's safe for them.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 07-08, Katy Doyle wrote:
> > Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
> > before?
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pungent Odor

[dlgegg]

ONe thing you never want to feed them is Mackeral.  It makes for a real stinky 
poop and gas.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> On 07-08, Natalie wrote:
> > We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her
> > poop: It could raise the dead!  It is so potent, that I wait at night until
> > she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> > International smelliest poop contest!
> 
> I've got one who could run her a close second.  Her poop is
> so bad she clears the house when she does it.
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter

[dlgegg]

A lot of people tell me that.  Does that say something about the way they are 
being treated ?  
If you are going to have cats and litter boxes and a family, then you have to 
keep them scooped.  Just one of the prices we pay for cats.


 Lynda Wilson  wrote: 
> Yes it is the best compliment, Maureen rocks!
> 
> Wow! You are diligent keeping those litter boxes cleaned out. I bet your 
> kitties love you more for that! Lorrie, what a caring and loving person you 
> are to have 15 cats! I would have that many if I did not have a husband, 
> lol! (Note: my husband has told me several times through the years that if 
> there is such a thing as reincarnation, then he wants to come back as one of 
> my cats!). I bet ppl say the same to you :)
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lorrie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter
> 
> 
> > That's the best compliment ever.  A friend recently came in
> > my house and said she couldn't even tell I had cats, and I have
> > 15, so I must be scooping the litter boxes often enough.
> >
> > On 07-08, Maureen Olvey wrote:
> >>
> >> If your friends come to your house and leave rather quickly then it
> >> might smell.  But if they stay and visit for a while then you're
> >> probably good ;-) Especially if you have friends that don't have
> >> pets, they can't tolerate the smell for long.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[dlgegg]

Guess I have a stronger stomach, but then I was the one who could go from 
disecting a frog into the cafeteria and eat lunch.  


 "molvey...@hotmail.com"  wrote: 
> That's just not right to mention ice cream and cat poop in the same sentence!
> 
> I was kind of hoping it was the FIV but if not I need to look into it.  
> Thanks for mentioning the probiotics.  Maybe I'll try it.
> 
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Natalie" 
> Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 9:34 am
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> To: 
> 
> The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
> renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
> poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
> Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
> bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
> None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
> acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
> NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> 
> I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up in
> the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
> soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find
> which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I put
> everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
> anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
> wide open to get the smell out.
>  
> He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard that
> it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
> else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
> poops?
> 
> 
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> Twain
>  
> 
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > 
> > We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
> her
> > poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until
> > she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> > International smelliest poop contest!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
> > poop! His name is Sugar after all.
> > 
> > Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
> > couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
> > first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
> > 
> > It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
> > kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
> > confusing though.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

[dlgegg]

Another way to identfy urine tract problem is to observe the size of clumps in 
the ltter box.  If you find very small ones, isolate the cats 1 by 1 and check 
the clumps in the box.  Then you gather a sample and go to the vet.  That is 
how i found out about Bobby and Homey
 Caspercat  wrote: 
> Not sure if this is possible but they probably got a bad batch of Frontline
> - I've used it in the Northeast with zero proplems (and like it because it
> addresses fleas & ticks).  My vet also started using a product called
> v-somthing but it doesn't help with ticks.  If you know for sure you only
> have a flea problem (no ticks) then advantage is a good product (and will
> get rid of ear mites and worms as well).  Just spoke to a lady yesterday who
> does rescue.  She orders advantage from Canada via the mail as it is much
> cheaper that way.
> 
> About the stones - does the cat appear to be straining when peeing or appear
> constipated?  That would be indicative of stones.   Also if the cat is prone
> to stones he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box
> and choose other objects to pee on instead or he may have developed an
> aversion to using the litter box for another reason.  So changing the type
> of litter you use may help.  Having said all that we had a cat that prone to
> UTIs and they way she would let us know she had one is by peeing on our bed
> (hooray for waterproof matress covers).
> 
> Is there anyway you can call and ask your vet at home what they use to
> diagnose kidney stones?
> 
> In googling feline kidney stones it appears that x-trays or ultrasounds are
> used for diagnosis.  Found x-rays mentioned on a couple of sites (but note
> that the information below is from a site I just found by googling so not
> sure how good it is  http://www.cat-health-guide.org/felinekidneystones.html).
> My guess is that if the vet finds no stones via x-ray the next step they
> will suggest an ultrasound (which of course is even more expensive).
> 
> "If cat kidney stones are suspected, your vet will take x-rays. The stones
> will usually show up white on the x-ray. Some kinds of stones don’t show up
> on x-rays and can only be seen by ultrasound. Your vet will look for stones
> elsewhere in the urinary tract as well.
> 
> Your vet will also test your cat’s urine to see if she has a bladder
> infection. Bladder infections are very common in pets with kidney stones. "
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Cindy McHugh  wrote:
> 
> > This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up
> > and I've been unsubbed from my more "general" cat discussion list.
> >
> > I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the
> > litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months
> > ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3
> > years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other
> > issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed
> > about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs
> > at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and
> > all was well until a couple days ago.
> >
> > He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days.
> > There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his
> > litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I
> > thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a
> > clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told,
> > so I thought I'd run it by you folks...
> >
> > In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a
> > urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and
> > gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed.
> >
> > The vet today told me they could do an "in house" check, but it wouldn't
> > really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture.
> > She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not
> > my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's
> > necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for
> > tests/procedures that are not necessary.
> >
> > If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures,
> > I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in
> > money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100
> > on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned
> > today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the
> > vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline
> > this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet
> > said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea
> > product (V-something, I didn't catch the name)

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Pebbles - dlgegg

[dlgegg]

I commend you for sticking with your baby.  I am sure she repaid you with 
bushels of love and great memories.  Unless you can't afford to feed your own 
family, never give up on an animal because of money.  If you can't afford to 
keep the, find someone who can and will
 Lynda Wilson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> >I do realize that, otherwise why would I go to all the trouble? It's sad to 
> >have ppl put down animals b/c they don't want to go to the trouble. I had 
> >the vet ask me if I wanted to put Pebbles down when they discovered she was 
> >a diabetic. I shivered at the thought. But I will still say she was a lot 
> >of work. I had to leave Thanksgiving dinners, Christmas gatherings, etc 
> >when it was time for her insulin. I had to give it to her 2 x's a 
> >dayand I spent thousands on her. She also had 5 other diseases by the 
> >time she passed. But I would do it all over again. I remember the day I 
> >brought her home at 5 weeks, yes 5 weeks. There were kids in Austin, TX 
> >giving away these kittens. She was the most pitiful looking one, but I knew 
> >she needed me.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: "Lynda Wilson" 
> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
> >
> >
> >> iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK 
> >> FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS!
> >> A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a 
> >> shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet.  She said she hoped that the 
> >> neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy.  Folks 
> >> around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats 
> >> and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS.  They think I am crazy because I take my pride 
> >> to the vet for shots, etc.  The only thing they are good for is out in 
> >> the barn to catch mice.  I have earned the name "Crazy Cat Lady"
> >>  Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> >>> What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I 
> >>> had
> >>> my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago.  She made it easy for me to
> >>> catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not 
> >>> sit
> >>> on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small,
> >>> sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the
> >>> strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her
> >>> glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs).  I still 
> >>> miss
> >>> her even though she was a lot of work.
> >>>
> >>> RIP, Pebbles!
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I got carried away...
> >>>
> >>> L
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message - 
> >>> From: 
> >>> To: 
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house.  He had a
> >>> > problem with salcite and sturivite stones.  Then Casey had stones. 
> >>> > She
> >>> > got over them, but Bobby did not.  Being a male, the urether was more
> >>> > narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time.  Homey is doing 
> >>> > gret
> >>> > now.  I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample 
> >>> > for
> >>> > testing.  I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed 
> >>> > instead of
> >>> > litter.  It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a
> >>> > pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the 
> >>> > vet.
> >>> > It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a
> >>> > urinary tract infection or stones.  Also great for diabetic cats -
> >>> > invented by a lady with a diabetic cat.  Only thing is they have to be
> >>> > seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the 
> >>> > box.
> >>> >  Natalie  wrote:
> >>> >> Forgot this part of the question before:  Sometimes, cats don't like 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> type of litter, too!  I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for
> >>> >> cats
> >>> >> that don't like any kind of litter!
> >>> >> BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!!
> >>> >> When  I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by 
> >>> >> gently
> >>> >> holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, 
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a 
> >>> >> long
> >>> >> time and doesn't stink.  I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter 
> >>> >> may
> >>> >> not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed!
> >>> >> -Original Message-
> >>> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
> >>> >> Wilson
> >>> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM
> >>> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? 
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[molveywda]

That's just not right to mention ice cream and cat poop in the same sentence!

I was kind of hoping it was the FIV but if not I need to look into it.  Thanks 
for mentioning the probiotics.  Maybe I'll try it.

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Natalie" 
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 9:34 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
To: 

The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up in
the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find
which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I put
everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
wide open to get the smell out.
 
He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard that
it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
poops?


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain
 

> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
her
> poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until
> she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> International smelliest poop contest!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> 
> Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
> poop! His name is Sugar after all.
> 
> Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
> couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
> first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
> 
> It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
> kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
> confusing though.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter

[Lynda Wilson]

Yes it is the best compliment, Maureen rocks!

Wow! You are diligent keeping those litter boxes cleaned out. I bet your 
kitties love you more for that! Lorrie, what a caring and loving person you 
are to have 15 cats! I would have that many if I did not have a husband, 
lol! (Note: my husband has told me several times through the years that if 
there is such a thing as reincarnation, then he wants to come back as one of 
my cats!). I bet ppl say the same to you :)
- Original Message - 
From: "Lorrie" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter



That's the best compliment ever.  A friend recently came in
my house and said she couldn't even tell I had cats, and I have
15, so I must be scooping the litter boxes often enough.

On 07-08, Maureen Olvey wrote:


If your friends come to your house and leave rather quickly then it
might smell.  But if they stay and visit for a while then you're
probably good ;-) Especially if you have friends that don't have
pets, they can't tolerate the smell for long.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter dangers

[Natalie]

Sodium bentonite is a real danger - the other stuff, not so much, may just
be irritating and dusty.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter dangers

I've often wondered and worried about this chemical stuff in
the clumping litter.  A friend of mine uses ground chicken corn.
Have any of you tried this?  She says it's not only safer but 
much less expensive.   

Lorrie

> Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning 
> 
> Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter.
> Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline
friends
> including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung
> cancer.
> 
> Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
> absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs
in
> the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can
> wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy.
> With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs.
> Damage can occur in just a short period of time. 
> 
> Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of
> the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make
> their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay
> ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, "natural" is not always
> safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a
> hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring
> up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it
expands
> from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung
problems
> like the ones mentioned above. 
> 
> Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; "Do Not
Let
> Cat Ingest Litter". It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat
> from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat
from
> grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and
> nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once
> the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could
> cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form
a
> hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pungent Odor

[Lorrie]

On 07-08, Natalie wrote:
> We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her
> poop: It could raise the dead!  It is so potent, that I wait at night until
> she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> International smelliest poop contest!

I've got one who could run her a close second.  Her poop is
so bad she clears the house when she does it.


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter

[Lorrie]

That's the best compliment ever.  A friend recently came in
my house and said she couldn't even tell I had cats, and I have
15, so I must be scooping the litter boxes often enough.

On 07-08, Maureen Olvey wrote:
> 
> If your friends come to your house and leave rather quickly then it
> might smell.  But if they stay and visit for a while then you're
> probably good ;-) Especially if you have friends that don't have
> pets, they can't tolerate the smell for long.
>  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Lorrie]

I used it a few years ago.  My cats liked the Feline Pine that was 
shredded up and scoopable, but they refused to use the pellets.

The Wheat litter is good but too expensive when you have as many 
cats as I have.   Fortunately my cats only use their litter boxes
at night when they are inside, or during the winter. Otherwise they
prefer going outside to do their biz.  We have a couple of acres of
woods around our house and no traffic so it's safe for them.


Lorrie

On 07-08, Katy Doyle wrote:
> Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
> before?
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter dangers

[Lorrie]

I've often wondered and worried about this chemical stuff in
the clumping litter.  A friend of mine uses ground chicken corn.
Have any of you tried this?  She says it's not only safer but 
much less expensive.   

Lorrie

> Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning 
> 
> Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter.
> Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends
> including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung
> cancer.
> 
> Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
> absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in
> the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can
> wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy.
> With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs.
> Damage can occur in just a short period of time. 
> 
> Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of
> the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make
> their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay
> ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, "natural" is not always
> safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a
> hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring
> up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands
> from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems
> like the ones mentioned above. 
> 
> Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; "Do Not Let
> Cat Ingest Litter". It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat
> from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from
> grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and
> nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once
> the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could
> cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a
> hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Lorrie]

On 07-08, MaiMaiPG wrote:
> There is 124 acres to put it on.  Poop gets pitched into unused  
> fields--far from the house.  I can't see a difference between theirs  
> and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey  
> etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust.  It may sound gross but  
> it really isn't

Absolutely no worse than the poop from all the other woodland 
animals.  It's all organic and biodegradable.



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[Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

[Natalie]

Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 


By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet

How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer gourmet
treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.

Grazing in the Grass

The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid and
nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
these.

That Laxative Appeal

Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them pass
worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
insides.

Heave-Ho

After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's because
cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if the
process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
cat for upchucking!

Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?

While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could indicate
intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
reason to keep your cat indoors
 .

Growing your Own

If your cat seems to enjoy the taste and texture of grass, give her a small
grazing area of her own in your home. So-called feline herbs or
greens-usually wheat

or oat grass - come pre-packaged at pet supply stores, as seeds or in
pre-spouted form. Cats generally prefer this to regular grass and you can be
sure it hasn't been treated. Fresh catnip is also easy to grow, and
obviously gets cats' approval and attention. Set Kitty's private planter in
a favorite spot that's easily accessible. You'll know she's enjoying fresh,
safe greens. You'll also know when she's consumed them, thanks to the sound
of feline retching that follows.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Lynda Wilson]

You're right, but my cat loved it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =



Yes, I have tried it - it costs a lot more than just good old plain
probiotics/acidophilus and cats immediately detect it in the food - won't
touch it! I think it's just one more way for the company and vets to make
money on a product "specifically" for cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Have you tried Fortiflora?


- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =



The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, 
it's
NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream 
consistency!


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up
in
the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to
find
which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I
put
everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat 
anymore
anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio 
door

wide open to get the smell out.

He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard
that
it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
poops?


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are

profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain



Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of

her

poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night
until
she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
International smelliest poop contest!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
poop! His name is Sugar after all.

Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.

It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the 
different
kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets 
so

confusing though.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
me

sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain


> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>
> I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter
> boxes
in
> a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at

home

in
> an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form)

in

> our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well

as

> the cats.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 

> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>
>
> >
> > I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large"
> > however,

I


> > noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try

again
> > (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline 
> > Pine

at


> > home before and the rescue group I am with used to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Natalie]

Yes, I have tried it - it costs a lot more than just good old plain
probiotics/acidophilus and cats immediately detect it in the food - won't
touch it! I think it's just one more way for the company and vets to make
money on a product "specifically" for cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Have you tried Fortiflora?


- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


> The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
> renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
> poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
> Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
> bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
> None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
> acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
> NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>
>
> I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up 
> in
> the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
> soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to 
> find
> which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I 
> put
> everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
> anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
> wide open to get the smell out.
>
> He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard 
> that
> it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
> else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
> poops?
>
>
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> Twain
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
>> From: at...@optonline.net
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>>
>> We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
> her
>> poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night 
>> until
>> she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
>> International smelliest poop contest!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>>
>>
>> Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
>> poop! His name is Sugar after all.
>>
>> Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
>> couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
>> first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
>>
>> It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
>> kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
>> confusing though.
>>
>>
>> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
>> are
>> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
>> Twain
>>
>>
>> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>> >
>> > I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter 
>> > boxes
>> in
>> > a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at
> home
>> in
>> > an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form)
> in
>> > our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well
> as
>> > the cats.
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Edna Taylor" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large" 
>> > > however,
> I
>>
>> > > noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try
> again
>> > > (after deleting most of the original emails). I have 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Lynda Wilson]

Have you tried Fortiflora?


- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =



The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up 
in

the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to 
find
which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I 
put

everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
wide open to get the smell out.

He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard 
that

it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
poops?


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain



Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of

her
poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night 
until

she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
International smelliest poop contest!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
poop! His name is Sugar after all.

Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.

It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
confusing though.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are

profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain


> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>
> I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter 
> boxes

in
> a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at

home

in
> an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form)

in

> our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well

as

> the cats.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 

> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
>
>
> >
> > I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large" 
> > however,

I


> > noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try

again

> > (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine

at


> > home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their
> > Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had

used


> > the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in 
> > the



> > adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but
> > especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the

cats

> > due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis.
> >
> > For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid
> > Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and

out


> > and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We
> > also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Natalie]

I don't like that one, eater - I just add baking soda to refresh the litter
and over wet areas where the litter was removed - it helps a lot!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

I fond the Arm & Hammer to be extremely dusty, also a litter that said it
was made from desert sand.  Krger carried it.  I got one box and tried it in
one of the boxes.  Threw it out the next day.  The cats and I were sneezing
and I found a fine coat of dust all over my room.

 Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just 
> checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an 
> ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All 
> Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus
and 
> haven't opened/tried it yet.
> 
> I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use

> something by Arm & Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was
getting 
> so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay
- 
> not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular 
> litter and baking soda.
> 
> Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I

> know who are using the clumping litter.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> 
> > Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg!
> >
> > The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust
Most
> >
> > Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning
> >
> > Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to
litter.
> > Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline 
> > friends
> > including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung
> > cancer.
> >
> > Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
> > absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs

> > in
> > the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and
can
> > wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy.
> > With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs.
> > Damage can occur in just a short period of time.
> >
> > Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one
of
> > the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to
make
> > their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay
> > ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, "natural" is not
always
> > safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a
> > hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's
stirring
> > up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it 
> > expands
> > from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung 
> > problems
> > like the ones mentioned above.
> >
> > Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; "Do Not 
> > Let
> > Cat Ingest Litter". It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat
> > from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat 
> > from
> > grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting
and
> > nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested.
Once
> > the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only
could
> > cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also
form 
> > a
> > hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal.
> >
> > The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from
clumping
> > litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even
> > dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy,
> > simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free,
> > non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from
> > recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your 
> > pet.
> > You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If 
> > you're
> > worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the
> > litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors
> > instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top
that
> > has a filter for odor control.
> >
> > Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding
kitty
> > litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be
> > saving the health or life of an animal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Natalie]

The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's "aroma" - and her litter box is in a
bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up in
the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find
which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I put
everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
wide open to get the smell out.
 
He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard that
it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
poops?


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain
 

> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
her
> poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until
> she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
> International smelliest poop contest!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> 
> Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
> poop! His name is Sugar after all.
> 
> Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
> couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
> first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
> 
> It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
> kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
> confusing though.
> 
> 
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> Twain
> 
> 
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > 
> > I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes
> in 
> > a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at
home
> in 
> > an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form)
in 
> > our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well
as 
> > the cats.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large" however,
I
> 
> > > noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try
again 
> > > (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine
at
> 
> > > home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their 
> > > Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had
used
> 
> > > the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the

> > > adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but 
> > > especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the
cats 
> > > due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid 
> > > Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and
out
> 
> > > and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We 
> > > also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most
of 
> > > our cats are 12 and up.
> > >
> >

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Cindy McHugh]

When I was caring for a feral colony, I got a bunch of the styrofoam coolers 
that steaks were shipped in, cut a small hole in one side, anchored the top, 
and put them out for shelters in the winter. The cats used them and they 
lasted a long time.


Cindy

- Original Message - 
From: "MaiMaiPG" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =



Those would make nice outdoor shelters...weighted of course.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 8:30 PM,   wrote:

Styrofoam?  Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time.   If 
it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death.

 Natalie  wrote:

Are they called "totes"?
I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a  friend 
is an

oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger  than
Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young
enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are
wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,
late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a
lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great
outdoor shelters too.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:



I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large"
however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I
will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have
used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used
to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
awful after they had used the box even once and even customers
complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go
back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because
people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was
scooped on a regular basis.

For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats
can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from
peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our
cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.

Edna



Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
From: athenapities...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.
It got
good online reviews.




On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle
wrote:


Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone
used it
before?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[MaiMaiPG]

Those would make nice outdoor shelters...weighted of course.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 8:30 PM,  > wrote:


Styrofoam?  Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time.   
If it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death.

 Natalie  wrote:

Are they called "totes"?
I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a  
friend is an
oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger  
than

Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young
enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are
wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,
late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a
lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great
outdoor shelters too.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:



I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large"
however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I
will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have
used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used
to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
awful after they had used the box even once and even customers
complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go
back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because
people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was
scooped on a regular basis.

For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats
can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from
peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our
cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.

Edna



Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
From: athenapities...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.
It got
good online reviews.




On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle
wrote:


Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone
used it
before?



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