Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Just note that with cats, who lack the liver enzyme to process toxins the
way humans and doggies can, the toxic buildup is over time.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I've been using Revolution on my 13 house rescues for a yr now with no
 problems.  Age ranges from kittens to 19 yr old.  I like that there is a
 size for under 5 lbs for my kittens.   It really depends on the cat.
 Sharyl

   * *
 *=*


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
Do you have the kitten who tested positive? Usually, if the are healthy except 
for the positive test, they will throw off the exposure to the virus, 
especially if they are not stressed and getting good quality food and care.  
The other nine, since you have them with you I assume, have very little 
likelihood of becoming positive.  Most positives result from close interaction 
with a cat who is a definite positive or is actually experiencing the disease.  
Most kitten positives have a 50/50 chance of turning negative.  I have had two 
adult positives turn negative.  Both are still alive.  One is 7 years old, the 
other is about 3 but he's also FIV+ so he's in my FIV group, mainly because the 
FIV group has cats who never learned not to argue with each other.  I have two 
little darlings who are FIV+ mixed in with my regular community of inside cats.

Sorry you didn't get the advice you were looking for.  Even when we are not off 
topic, some questions are slow to get answered or the people online at the time 
really don't have the answers.  Cats who are actually leukemia positive can 
live long, healthy lives.  Sometimes they live an average cat life and pass 
from something that an average cat would pass from, like renal failure.  I 
adopted out a FeLv+ cat to a woman who is used to taking care of cats like 
that.  Her first cat passed in 2 years.  The cat she adopted from me after that 
passed in 4 years and the one she adopted from me after that is still alive at 
age 6.  It depends on a lot of factors, not only the FeLv.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
 

I am surprised this list got so off topic.  A few years ago, this wouldn't be 
allowed to happen.  I have very strong political opinions, and very strong 
opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to 
understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same 
colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers.  

I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she 
has been listened to, but I did not.  

For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK 
experience.  So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped 
by this list over the last week or two whatsoever.  

Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate.  I don't 
feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored.

  Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to 
expect.    It's shame to loose this resource.  My 2 cents. 

Janine 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas 
refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and 
I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient.  The vets 
make money on the vaccinations every year.  Why should they stop a good cash 
cow (or cat)?


 
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too!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 

Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does 
your law not allow that?

Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents 
with different labels.   And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts 
at least 7 years, if not for life.



On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations.  I 
almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old.  Again, 
when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio 
vaccination.  Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread 
disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. 
However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I 
got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side 
ever since.  It doesn't improve with age, either.  So I do NOT vaccinate my 
cats.  Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law).  I do have 
to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be 
going for adoption though.  But I never vaccinate for leukemia.  If you have 
kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it.  But if you are 
keeping them, I would
 advise not to do it.  And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you 
are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog.  No medical doctor ever 
gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery.  It's terribly dangerous 
and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets.  However, sometimes you 
need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a 
low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you 
have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need 
any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the 
new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes 
their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them.



 
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neighbors too!






 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Beth
Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination

Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens??
They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations,
but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry.
They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in
my cat sanctuary.

Lorrie

On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds.  I am having
 enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not.  I have a couple who
 never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and
 1 is 14 years old.  I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do
 more harm than good.  The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of
 the time they are on the deck laying in the sun.  Rabies is required here,
 but not the others.  I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I
 have 2 positives.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore.  :-)

You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases
actually went up after they started vaxing for it.

Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes.
 You may want to Google their archives.


On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in
 Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that
 reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as
 sufficient.  The vets make money on the vaccinations every year.  Why
 should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)?



 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


   --
 *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

 Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or
 does your law not allow that?

 Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same
 contents with different labels.   And that experiments have shown the
 rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.


 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with
 vaccinations.  I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was
 9 years old.  Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician
 gave me the anti-polio vaccination.  Now, I do approve of polio
 vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost
 completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error
 and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have
 had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since.  It doesn't
 improve with age, either.  So I do NOT vaccinate my cats.  Not with FeLv or
 FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law).  I do have to vaccinate with the
 FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption
 though.  But I never vaccinate for leukemia.  If you have kittens who need
 the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it.  But if you are keeping them, I
 would advise not to do it.  And try not to get them vaccinated at the time
 that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog.  No
 medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery.
 It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's
 pets.  However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of
 s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral
 cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time.
 But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once
 they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that
 turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should
 they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them.


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 neighbors too!


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
It's not so much the individual vaccine as that they give them all at one time. 
Imagine getting zapped with 3 or 4 different illnesses at one time - flu, 
measles, mumps and chicken pox!!  Your immune system goes into overdrive and 
then crashes because no one can fight all those infections at once.  That's 
what is done to our cats when they get the FeLV, rabies and FVRCP vaccinations 
at one time on top of which they are undergoing surgery to remove their 
reproductive system.  Whew!
 
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too!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 

Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore.  :-)

You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases 
actually went up after they started vaxing for it.   

Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes.  You 
may want to Google their archives.



On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas 
refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and 
I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient.  The vets 
make money on the vaccinations every year.  Why should they stop a good cash 
cow (or cat)?




 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!







From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 


Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does 
your law not allow that?


Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same 
contents with different labels.   And that experiments have shown the rabies 
vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.



On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations.  I 
almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old.  
Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the 
anti-polio vaccination.  Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's 
such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in 
the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not 
killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my 
right side ever since.  It doesn't improve with age, either.  So I do NOT 
vaccinate my cats.  Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the 
law).  I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of 
my rescues will be going for adoption though.  But I never vaccinate for 
leukemia.  If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do 
it.  But if you are keeping them, I would
 advise not to do it.  And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you 
are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog.  No medical doctor ever 
gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery.  It's terribly dangerous 
and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets.  However, sometimes you 
need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a 
low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you 
have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need 
any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the 
new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes 
their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them.



 
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neighbors too!






 


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better 

Re: [Felvtalk] O T

2012-10-07 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's
relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently
paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a
pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their
definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month
with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major
advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor
bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have
gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and
received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a
number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking
a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds,
you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and
benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly
difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married
and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money)
and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles
better off there than she was here. 

Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an
eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap,
the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and
*mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without
paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work
sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on
9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be
great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get.
They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every
person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than
they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the
price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her
9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120,
and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care
is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's
economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the
only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to
it. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone
coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc.
clean her place.  It costs $200/month.  Yes, they paid into it all their
lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when
time comes to move to a nursing home.  Father-in-law had a sunny private
room, great care for $10/day!

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

On 10-04, GRAS wrote:
Obama ideally wanted single-payer.

 Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the
world, lets it's people go without medical help.
Every other first world country has single payer.

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Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

2012-10-07 Thread Lynda Wilson

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking 
on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on 
their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would 
know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate 
computers.


The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about 
anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF 
I care enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many 
years ago..


IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the 
information below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has 
to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.


Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD
WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE.

   Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

   Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

   We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

   Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look
at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

   We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple,
but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros!

   Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros;
a big time supporter of Obama!

   In our Search for the Truth department,
we find what I have suspected on many occasions.

   I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed
and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such
dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan,
and guess what?

   Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

   So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

   Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

  The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases
as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

  I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan
and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made
reference to.

   I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was 
really shocking.


   Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but 
I doubt it.


   That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this:

   Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his 
citizenship.


   Now she may help rule on them.

Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on 
and on.

Once again the US Senate sold us out!

   Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court.

Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.

She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the
Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.

He owed her big time.

All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard.

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it?

The American people mean nothing any longer.

It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves
to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there.

Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:

You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?

Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!

Check out these examples:


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm


If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete.


However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. 
Constitution;



by all means, PASS it ON!

There truly is tyranny afoot.

Valerie Barnes
Office Manager/Bookkeeper
G.W. Bulluck Elementary School


(252)985.3456

 (252)442.2370 fax




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Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

2012-10-07 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
OK, so it appears the main thrust of this forwarded post isObama is not a 
US citizen. Really Still IMNSHO, there are people who would do ANYTHING 
to de-legitimize the fact that there is a black man in the White House. 
Ridiculous. The one true fact about the internet is that anybody can find 
validation for ANY wackadoo opinion. I bet you could find a scientific study 
affirming that cats are descended from dogs and that birds are the result of 
magic. 

There is a refutation of this forwarded stuff (which has been around since 
2008, BTW) on About.com: 
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm
I'm sure you could find a refutation and charges of bias about About.com if you 
wanted to. The bottom line is, vote who you want to, but make *yourself* aware 
of the character of your candidate. Watch the person over a period of time; 
does he contradict himself from one week to the next? Does he promise more than 
he can deliver? Does he give details about his plans? Does he keep the promises 
he has made in the past? By these criteria, there's nobody in politics who 
truly stands up 100% to scrutiny. But unlike in horseshoes, in politics close 
does count. Have these people made an effort to act on the things they say they 
believe in? And are those beliefs based on the good of every single person in 
the United States, not just a select group?  These are things each person has 
to decide for him- or herself.

2 more cents,

Diane R.
-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID 
IT WAS FALSE.

Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any 
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at 
some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to 
be financed by Soros!

Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of 
Obama!

In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected 
on many occasions.

I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new 
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the 
email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, 
typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

   The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as 
claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

   I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and 
immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.

I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really 
shocking.

Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I 
doubt it.

That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this:

Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his 
citizenship.

Now she may help rule on them.

Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and 
on.
Once again the US Senate sold us out!

Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court.

Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search 

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Sharyl
Again it really depends on the kitten.  I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens.  All had 
their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots.  All were asymptomatic at 
the time.  None got sick from the vaccines.  I eventually lost all of them to 
FeLV.  They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs.  It is a decision each individual has to 
make.  Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law.  They got the 
FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper.
 
There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them 
the best food and care you can.  It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but 
they brought me so much joy.  I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what 
they gave me. 
 
Hugs to yours
Sharyl  
 


 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
  
Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination

Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens??
They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations,
but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry.
They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in
my cat sanctuary.

Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

2012-10-07 Thread Christiane Biagi
Most of the time, snopes puts links to their sources.  I ALWAYS go to those to 
look for myself.  Haven't found Snopes to be wrong but then I never say 
never...lol

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID 
IT WAS FALSE.

Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any 
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at 
some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to 
be financed by Soros!

Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of 
Obama!

In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected 
on many occasions.

I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new 
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the 
email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, 
typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

   The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as 
claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

   I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and 
immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.

I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really 
shocking.

Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I 
doubt it.

That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this:

Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his 
citizenship.

Now she may help rule on them.

Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and 
on.
Once again the US Senate sold us out!

Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court.

Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.

She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the 
Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.

He owed her big time.

All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard.

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it?

The American people mean nothing any longer.

It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect 
someone who really has no true right to even be there.

Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:

You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?

Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!

Check out these examples:


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm


If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete.


However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. 
Constitution;


by all means, PASS it ON!

There truly is tyranny afoot.

 Valerie Barnes
 Office Manager/Bookkeeper
 G.W. Bulluck Elementary School


(252)985.3456

  (252)442.2370 fax





Re: [Felvtalk] O T

2012-10-07 Thread Christiane Biagi
This week, my sweetest, mushiest cat bit me- and I ended up in er a couple
of times  had an overnight in the hospital to be pumped full of iv
antibiotics.  I have ins but let say someone had the same thing happen
without insurance.  They would have been admitted (considered life
threatening)  then I would have had to pay for part of it out of my taxes
for Medicaid. Wouldn't it be better if we had a system where everybody could
get affordable health insurance--everybody I know who doesn't have insurance
doesn't have it cause they can't find a low cost plan (I'm in NY).  

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's
relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently
paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a
pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their
definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month
with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major
advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor
bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have
gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and
received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a
number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking
a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds,
you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and
benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly
difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married
and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money)
and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles
better off there than she was here. 

Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an
eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap,
the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and
*mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without
paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work
sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on
9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be
great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get.
They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every
person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than
they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the
price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her
9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120,
and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care
is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's
economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the
only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to
it. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone
coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc.
clean her place.  It costs $200/month.  Yes, they paid into it all their
lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when
time comes to move to a nursing home.  Father-in-law had a sunny private
room, great care for $10/day!

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

On 10-04, GRAS wrote:
Obama ideally wanted single-payer.

 Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the
world, lets it's people go without medical help.
Every other first world country has single payer.

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Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

2012-10-07 Thread longhornfans
I did not say I agree with the links, it was just an example of people using 
snopes to declare whether or not something is true or false. And just for the 
record I am not prejudice (I know I'm not be accused ot this, I just want to 
point this out). I have many friends from all ethnicities. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:23:29 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

OK, so it appears the main thrust of this forwarded post isObama is not a 
US citizen. Really Still IMNSHO, there are people who would do ANYTHING 
to de-legitimize the fact that there is a black man in the White House. 
Ridiculous. The one true fact about the internet is that anybody can find 
validation for ANY wackadoo opinion. I bet you could find a scientific study 
affirming that cats are descended from dogs and that birds are the result of 
magic. 

There is a refutation of this forwarded stuff (which has been around since 
2008, BTW) on About.com: 
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm
I'm sure you could find a refutation and charges of bias about About.com if you 
wanted to. The bottom line is, vote who you want to, but make *yourself* aware 
of the character of your candidate. Watch the person over a period of time; 
does he contradict himself from one week to the next? Does he promise more than 
he can deliver? Does he give details about his plans? Does he keep the promises 
he has made in the past? By these criteria, there's nobody in politics who 
truly stands up 100% to scrutiny. But unlike in horseshoes, in politics close 
does count. Have these people made an effort to act on the things they say they 
believe in? And are those beliefs based on the good of every single person in 
the United States, not just a select group?  These are things each person has 
to decide for him- or herself.

2 more cents,

Diane R.
-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID 
IT WAS FALSE.

Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any 
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at 
some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to 
be financed by Soros!

Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of 
Obama!

In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected 
on many occasions.

I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new 
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the 
email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, 
typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

   The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as 
claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

   I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and 
immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.

I have long suspected 

Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

2012-10-07 Thread longhornfans
Glad you got the point of my post..
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:29:18 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Most of the time, snopes puts links to their sources.  I ALWAYS go to those to 
look for myself.  Haven't found Snopes to be wrong but then I never say 
never...lol

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID 
IT WAS FALSE.

Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any 
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at 
some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to 
be financed by Soros!

Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of 
Obama!

In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected 
on many occasions.

I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new 
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the 
email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, 
typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

   The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as 
claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

   I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and 
immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.

I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really 
shocking.

Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I 
doubt it.

That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this:

Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his 
citizenship.

Now she may help rule on them.

Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and 
on.
Once again the US Senate sold us out!

Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court.

Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.

She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the 
Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.

He owed her big time.

All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard.

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it?

The American people mean nothing any longer.

It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect 
someone who really has no true right to even be there.

Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:

You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?

Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!

Check out these examples:


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm


If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete.


However, if you hold sacred the freedoms 

[Felvtalk] Off topic: Disproving nonsense about snopes Soros

2012-10-07 Thread Natalie
Unfortunately, I had to erase that mailing so that this can go through. But you 
will see it in some of the links below, if you care to see that it's nonsense.

Always double check, that's the problem, because there's a lot of untruth 
everywhere! If you go to all the fact checkers, believe me, you will see that 
all this is absolute nonsense! The mailing you sent is specifically  mentioned 
as being pure fiction. Such urban legends are a dime a dozen, about anyone you 
can think of.

http://www.goodsearch.com/search/web?utf8=%E2%9C%93keywords=George+Soros+connection+to+www.snopes.com%3F
 A whole page of Soros and snopes! Unfortunately, what someone sent you is 
truly right-wing conspiracy theories!

This should thoroughly add to disproving that ridiculous stuff that goes 
around! No matter what my political leanings, I always check it out, no matter 
about whom this garbage is written.  I can't imagine why anyone would write 
stuff like that, is that all they do?
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-09-28/story/fact-check-so-whos-checking-fact-finders-we-are
http://zyzmog.blogspot.com/2012/04/snopes-and-george-soros-connection.html   

About snopes.com:, on snopes: http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp - which is 
proven to be correct when checked on other sources. Co-founder Greg Mikkelson 
(co-founder wife) is a registered Republican, and yet manages to remain 
unbiased about both parties.!

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/snopes.htm  


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)


SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-07 Thread GRAS
As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will 
change immediately.  This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious 
issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw 
quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask 
again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was 
given.

Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine 
paton
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

 

I am surprised this list got so off topic.  A few years ago, this wouldn't be 
allowed to happen.  I have very strong political opinions, and very strong 
opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to 
understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same 
colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers.  

 

I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she 
has been listened to, but I did not.  

 

For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK 
experience.  So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped 
by this list over the last week or two whatsoever.  

 

Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate.  I don't 
feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored.

 

  Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to 
expect.It's shame to loose this resource.  My 2 cents. 

 

Janine 

 

 

 

  _  

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good 
job. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

 

Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine 
called Ciproheptadine.  I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an 
appetite stimulant.

I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one.  If you want more 
information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's 
Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease.  The URL is: 
www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm  There are some other hints on getting an 
anorexic cat to chow down also.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

 

I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
 

 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
 Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
 
 

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[Felvtalk] OT - interesting article on why cats die- PetPlace.com

2012-10-07 Thread Natalie
Interesting article:

http://view.ed4.net/v/8M7W90Q/9ZXMB/75OD6PV/2VB49/FORMAT=H?utm_source=catcra
zynews
http://view.ed4.net/v/8M7W90Q/9ZXMB/75OD6PV/2VB49/FORMAT=H?utm_source=catcr
azynewsutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=CatTrafficutm_content=CC-20121007-2-%
5bT%5demail=at...@optonline.net
utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=CatTrafficutm_content=CC-20121007-2-[T]emai
l=at...@optonline.net 

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Re: [Felvtalk] O T

2012-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
Long ago, around 1985, just after my dad passed away, I had a minor health 
issue and a lot of health worries.  At that time I had insurance through Met 
Life because I was self employed.  Unfortunately, the insurance (always read 
the fine print) did not cover a basic glucose tolerance test, a thyroid test, 
or a Pap smear.  It did cover a broken bone, various sprains and other 
injuries.  The problem was I was afraid of adult onset diabetes since my dad's 
entire family had it and one brother died at age 50 when he went into a 
diabetic coma.  I had to spend a whole lot of money to get the tests I needed.  
Fortunately, no diabetes.  I do have hypoglycemia and that was what was making 
me woozy and unsettled.  But it cost me over a thousand dollars to find this 
out.  Mom said not to cancel the Met Life policy because I drive and she was 
afraid I would have an accident and tremendous health cost to get patched up 
and glued together.  Well, every 6
 months they raised the premium until I was paying over $1,000 every six 
months. I cancelled and did not have health coverage until recently when I 
became eligible for Medicare. This is why small businesses fail, in my opinion, 
because people are looking for jobs that give benefits and health insurance 
coverage and small businesses just can't afford to insure two or three 
workers.  This also effects the care of our rescued cats and dogs.  If we are 
paying thousands of dollars for our own health insurance or issues we can't 
usually afford to give them the treatments they need, the yearly physical exams 
to catch issues like beginning renal problems, elevated glucose, etc..  Then in 
a year or two it becomes a major veterinary expense because the problem has 
gotten worse.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T
 
I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's
relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently
paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a
pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their
definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month
with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major
advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor
bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have
gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and
received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a
number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking
a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds,
you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and
benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly
difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married
and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money)
and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles
better off there than she was here. 

Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an
eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap,
the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and
*mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without
paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work
sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on
9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be
great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get.
They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every
person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than
they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the
price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her
9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120,
and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care
is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's
economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the
only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to
it. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone
coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc.
clean her place.  It costs $200/month. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Disproving nonsense about snopes Soros

2012-10-07 Thread longhornfans
Thanks for the heads up! I do appreciate it! Wow!!  
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:57:30 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Disproving nonsense about snopes  Soros

Unfortunately, I had to erase that mailing so that this can go through. But you 
will see it in some of the links below, if you care to see that it's nonsense.

Always double check, that's the problem, because there's a lot of untruth 
everywhere! If you go to all the fact checkers, believe me, you will see that 
all this is absolute nonsense! The mailing you sent is specifically  mentioned 
as being pure fiction. Such urban legends are a dime a dozen, about anyone you 
can think of.

http://www.goodsearch.com/search/web?utf8=%E2%9C%93keywords=George+Soros+connection+to+www.snopes.com%3F
 A whole page of Soros and snopes! Unfortunately, what someone sent you is 
truly right-wing conspiracy theories!

This should thoroughly add to disproving that ridiculous stuff that goes 
around! No matter what my political leanings, I always check it out, no matter 
about whom this garbage is written.  I can't imagine why anyone would write 
stuff like that, is that all they do?
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-09-28/story/fact-check-so-whos-checking-fact-finders-we-are
http://zyzmog.blogspot.com/2012/04/snopes-and-george-soros-connection.html   

About snopes.com:, on snopes: http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp - which is 
proven to be correct when checked on other sources. Co-founder Greg Mikkelson 
(co-founder wife) is a registered Republican, and yet manages to remain 
unbiased about both parties.!

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/snopes.htm  


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)


SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



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Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.

2012-10-07 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
THANKYOU//
 CATHY. BRONX N Y 


From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.


When you get a message is too long notice from the moderator, it means that 
you sent the entire thread of conversation, maybe 10 or more of everyone elses 
messages along with your two lines.  When  you click on Reply and write your 
message, remember to scroll down and delete all but the message you are 
answering. Also delete all the junk that Yahoo adds.  I once sent such a long 
thread through the email tool to a client at the website I work that it crashed 
our email. Boss was so angry he wrote in upper case to me for the rest of the 
week.



Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!



From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.


I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time 
this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet 
cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book 
Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nematodes

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
Since we live in a safe area with no traffic all my cats go
outside except for 3 who never even try.  I work hard to keep
the fleas down, and use Advantage, flea comb, and flea traps in
every room, but I never heard of nematodes. Where do I get them?

Lorrie

On 10-06, GRAS wrote:
All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures.
 
 
Do you use nematodes inside your house?  I thought they are just for
the yard, need soil and water to do their thing.

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Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far
away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take
on more cats.  I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten
don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats.

Lorrie

On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
 
Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie
 
  Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info.
 
From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: FeLeuk
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
 
 We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to
 be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
 Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this 
  sweet kitty?
 
   Please let us know. Many thanks!
 
 
Ms. Gregg Mayer
 
Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
Certified Pilates Instructor
[4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
~
All Sentient Beings, Inc.
(Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse)
All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit
organization in the United States
 
 References
 
1. http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com/
2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
4. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
Many mothers (human mothers) are not vaccinating their children
due to reactions such as you had.  Both my daughters refuse to vaccinate
their kids and one of my grandsons got Whooping Cough two years ago. 
The doctor didn't even recognize it because they see so little, if any,
of these old childhood diseases now.  As an older woman I immediately
recognized the disease and my grandson did recover just fine.

Lorrie

On 10-06, Lee Evans wrote:
This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with
vaccinations.  I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I
was 9 years old.  Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a
physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination.  Now, I do approve of
polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination
did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. 











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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
Some of the time kittens from a FelV mom will throw off the virus, but
not always. I am hoping the 4 pos. kittens I now have in my sanctuary 
will be negative when I retest at the end of Oct. They are not caged, 
and they have 3 large rooms to run around in, lots of toys, good food 
and TLC.  So no stress!

Lorrie

On 10-07, Lee Evans wrote:
Do you have the kitten who tested positive? Usually, if the are healthy
except for the positive test, they will throw off the exposure to the
virus, especially if they are not stressed and getting good quality
food and care.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] O T

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
How wonderful for them. It should be the same
way in America the Ungreat!! 

On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
 My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone
 coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc.
 clean her place.  It costs $200/month.  Yes, they paid into it all their
 lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when
 time comes to move to a nursing home.  Father-in-law had a sunny private
 room, great care for $10/day!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet
gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then
makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year.


On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote:

Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same
contents with different labels. Â  And that experiments have shown the
rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz

2012-10-07 Thread Lorrie
On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote:

PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company
that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick
products or are paralyzed for life.

Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used
Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in
days from liver failure.  I am appalled that this company is allowed
to sell their stuff.

Lorrie  

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Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

2012-10-07 Thread Maryam Ulomi
There is a place in Alexandria , va and its a lady who runs it outside her 
home. I had found them after i rescued my little Kitty.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 6, 2012, at 16:07, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far
 away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take
 on more cats.  I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten
 don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
 
   Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie
 
 Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info.
 
   From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com
   Subject: Re: FeLeuk
   Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
 
We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to
be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this 
 sweet kitty?
 
  Please let us know. Many thanks!
 
 
   Ms. Gregg Mayer
 
   Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
   500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
   Certified Pilates Instructor
   [4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
   ~
   All Sentient Beings, Inc.
   (Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse)
   All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit
   organization in the United States
 
 References
 
   1. http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com/
   2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
   4. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
 
 
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[Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos

2012-10-07 Thread janine paton
Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos 
is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using 
Elisa?  And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this 
good enough?  All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a 
weak pos.  I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and 
keep everyone safe.  And foster homes understanding. 

Thanks, 
Janine




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 8:52:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded 
to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is 
almost inevitable when you’re on a specialized list like this. I think the OT 
discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be 
voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the 
people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they’re not interested 
in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us 
would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort 
of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a 
pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested 
in reaching us.
 
Diane R.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, 
if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would 
have 
been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could 
be 
done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency 
clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone 
is 
asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually 
did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv 
cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally 
on 
every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and 
then 
it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or 
some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political 
discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to 
financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our 
cats to the vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group 
because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security 
and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for 
myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my 
mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by 
Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work 
and have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to 
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a 
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside 
cats 
and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the 
daytime 
on weekends and it makes me tremble.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos

2012-10-07 Thread Sharyl
Janine, I'm not sure where you got the 28 days from exposure to testing 
positive.   I don't think it is that cut and dried.  Most of what I have read 
suggest retesting in 60-90 days.  Like someone else has posted I wouldn't worry 
about the other 8 kittens.  I believe you wrote the one kitten has been 
isolated from the other 8.  FeLV is not as contagious as some would leave you 
to believe.  
 
I hope someone with more information will respond.
Sharyl
 


 From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos
  

Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos 
is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using 
Elisa?  And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this 
good enough?  All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a 
weak pos.  I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and 
keep everyone safe.  And foster homes understanding. 

Thanks, 
Janine



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Beth
Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became 
symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting 
panleukopenis (sp?)  You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from 
AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't 
give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except fot the 
FeLVs.

Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

Again it really depends on the kitten.  I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens.  All had 
their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots.  All were asymptomatic at 
the time.  None got sick from the vaccines.  I eventually lost all of them to 
FeLV.  They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs.  It is a decision each individual has to 
make.  Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law.  They got the 
FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper.
 
There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give 
them the best food and care you can.  It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies 
but they brought me so much joy.  I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of 
what they gave me. 
 
Hugs to yours
Sharyl  
 


 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
  
Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination

Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens??
They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations,
but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry.
They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in
my cat sanctuary.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nematodes

2012-10-07 Thread Sharyl
Do a search on Amazon for nematodes for fleas and you'll find several
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nematodes
  
Since we live in a safe area with no traffic all my cats go
outside except for 3 who never even try.  I work hard to keep
the fleas down, and use Advantage, flea comb, and flea traps in
every room, but I never heard of nematodes. Where do I get them?

Lorrie

On 10-06, GRAS wrote:
    All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures.
 
 
    Do you use nematodes inside your house?  I thought they are just for
    the yard, need soil and water to do their thing.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Yep.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet
 gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then
 makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year.


 On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote:

 Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same
 contents with different labels. Â  And that experiments have shown the
 rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
You can also just vax for Panleuk only.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became
 symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting
 panleukopenis (sp?)  You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot
 from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal
 with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped
 fostering except fot the FeLVs.

 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Again it really depends on the kitten.  I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens.
 All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots.  All were
 asymptomatic at the time.  None got sick from the vaccines.  I eventually
 lost all of them to FeLV.  They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs.  It is a decision
 each individual has to make.  Mine got their rabies vax because it is
 required by law.  They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not
 want to risk them getting distemper.
 
 There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and
 give them the best food and care you can.  It broke my heart to lose my
 FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy.  I only hope I was able to
 give them 1/2 of what they gave me.
 
 Hugs to yours
 Sharyl
 
 
 
  From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 
 Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination
 
 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
 What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens??
 They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations,
 but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry.
 They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in
 my cat sanctuary.
 
 Lorrie
 
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http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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