In Eau Claire (west central Wisconsin) recently, there have been some
hideous things happening to, of all things, guinea pigs, along with several
cats. Police have been finding mutilated corpses of the animals (29 in one
group). And that's what I thought too - what courage, to take their anger or
My granddaughter will keep in touch with the gal who picked up the kitty after
he hit her windshield. Can you imagine how awful she must have felt. I am just
relieved that she didn’t have an accident. I will keep in touch to see how the
kitty is doing, and also to see if they find the one who
Ardy
You have a much more even temperment than me when it comes to such
matters There is NO question that I will end up in prison if I am
caught doing what I KNOW I am capable of doing to a person that is this
callous toward ANY living creature... but Housepets in particular...
There
Stories like this kitten thrown from a moving car are TOO common. Force
Change, Change.org & Animalpetitions.org are a few places that have
petitions for protecting snimals and seeking justice.
Jen
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Makes me sick! Just about a month ago I picked up a kitten off the side of the
road that had been tossed out of a car. He's recovered well and is napping next
to me on the couch. Fortunately none of his injuries were internal or very
serious, but it just makes you rage inside. Who'd do
Ardy - generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I would gladly
make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, and I would just as
happily be the executioner. This is not the first time I have heard this same
hideous story. Several years ago in Toronto, Ontario, the
Hello my Felv friends this is a little off-topic, but I have to vent:
My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of hers was
driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of her
tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe
hasn't happened, still 1 more test on the 7th. I am glad they are being
through, but am getting tired of waiting and not being able to do anything.
Jennifer Olson wrote:
> How are YOU dlegg after your surgery?
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How are you ? ? ?
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I have made a similiar request to our board members and they never do it
either. Drives me crazy!
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I'm in 6 cat groups and all the moderators ask us to delete messages
that are no longer being discussed. They also ask us to change the
subject line when a new topic is being discussed. Regardless, no one
does this. I always delete unnecessary stuff, but almost everyone
else sends LONG posts
good idea! will do this from now on. Dorlis
ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have
Hi Deloris! I pray your surgery and recovery goes well! Praise the Lord
for good helper for your babies!
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>> Hi Bob, I think you suggetion is a good one :-). It is particularly
>> hard for me to follow so many emails in the same conversations on my phone
>> when they are clumped as one conversation :).
>>
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OK I made this suggestion and the last two STILL had all the
text... I am HOPEing that this time the text remains eliminated
Bob
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:07 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
wrote:
Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance to
the current posting This also prevents having your message held up
because it
If onlyeveryone who has a cat or dog would get them spayed/neutered there
would not be so many for us to care for. I have heard all kinds of excuses
like it costs so much. If they did get their pets spayed/neutered they would
not have the work involved in getting rid of them. When a new
HELLO, MY FAULT. I FORGOT TO PUT MY NAME IN THERE. DORLIS GROTE
I am lucky that a member of my church is going to take care of my babies while
I am in the hospital for the surgery. She is also taking me in and picking me
up afterwards. Plus getting groceries and doing any needed laundry
Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake
was made I am not having heart surgery : ) Believe it is our
member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their
Everything we tested was positive, and Zander most certainly had FeLV.
Interestingly enough, when I was able to successfully treat him with the
Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone protocol, later vets started musing that perhaps he
never had FeLV. After all, they certainly couldn't admit that a drug they
And The IFA test was also positive? Skylar tested positive since he had him
which is almost 2 years.
-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani
Oakley
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:
We were sure all sorts of bad things were going to happen after we found out
that Zander was FeLV+. Not only didn't any of the others contract it, but he
was very close to several of them and would cuddle and mutually groom each
other. At first, this made me very anxious and I would separate
Skylar seems to want to wrestle last time I let him out and I was afraid so I
let him run and I run behind him. I guess I could keep doing that and keep him
away from the FIV one. I feel so bad for him. He is alone and he hates the
dog so he has no one but me. Thanks for telling me, I will
Sheila
I had a FeLV positive boy (Zander) for seven years with all my other cats. No
one else got it. By the time we figured out he was FeLV positive, he had been
with my other cats for more than a year, so I figured that any harm that was
going to be done, had already been done. Since then, I
My 2nd job at the vet gives me a break on all the medicines and neutered and if
we find kittens, he will take them and we adopt them out. it's a full time job
with all these animals. My husband takes care of them when I work my long days
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I am lucky, found a vet who goes along with me especially re: felv treatment.
Sandy wrote:
>
> It seems to me, each one of us has a different vet - and each vet seems to
> have a differing opinion - it's what they "learned" in school and unless they
> seek to
I get a lot of drop offs too. People seem to think that left in a farming
area, they can fend for themselves, even the de clawed ones.
"Armstrong-Brown wrote:
> No one helps me Bob. I started a 2nd job at an animal hospital so I can get
> the discount on all the cats. It's still very
I have mixed positive and negative cats for years and no negatives have
contracted the disease. They share beds (mine) bowls and boxes. At first when
the negatives were young, I had them vacinnated, now I do not they are all at
least 13 years old.
Marlene Snowman
It seems to me, each one of us has a different vet - and each vet seems to have
a differing opinion - it's what they "learned" in school and unless they seek
to know more and better info continue with the same practices and opinions-
such as the "yearly" vaccine protocol. I guess it's like
I have the same set up, a door with plexi so he can see the other animals. He
has a bed and tv and 2 big rooms to run around, I just feel bad that he is
alone most of the time until I get home and we watch TV together for acouple.
I am scared of that vaccines b/c of the dangers I hear about.
Sheila, my 2 cents-
- for me - it's not just spreading the FeLV to others, it the autoimmune
problem of not being able to fight off viruses or diseases that they could get
from other cats.
I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we replaced the
door with another
Thank you . I love them all but a vacation one year might be nice. Too many
animals to leave and go away. I don’t trust many to actually be able to
medicine the ones that need it. Just the soft food is $60 a week. Besides the
25 pounds of dry food.
From: Felvtalk
Sheila, in my (completely unprofessional) opinion, the vaccine is a good
idea for your cats that are currently healthy.
If it were me, I'd keep the FIV and FeLV separated just because they
already have compromised immune systems and any illness they come in
contact with could really be
My vet believes so although has made it clear that no vaccine is 100 percent
effective and that an older cat with an established immune system has more
chances. Who really knows
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
>
So you believe the vaccine does work then? I thought about getting it for all
13 indoors but I want to still keep the FIV and FELV separated. Thanks for the
info
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Marlene Snowman
Sent: Monday,
I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non. The 7 year
old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains negative. The
Felv has no visual signs of illness. I maintain separate litter boxes that get
cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned
I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone have
their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out only
while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a FIV
cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would
No one helps me Bob. I started a 2nd job at an animal hospital so I can get
the discount on all the cats. It's still very expensive. No fosters, they
stray in to the farm and people drop off sickly animals and all the humane
society would say is that if I turned the cats in to them, they
pRAYERS FOR EVERY ONE.
Jennifer Olson wrote:
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Robert, I pray all will go well with your surgery!!
Sandy W
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From: "kat"
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery (was:Checking in.)
I will be keeping you in my thoughts
I will be keeping you in my thoughts & prayers!! Please let us know when you are back home.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 8:04 PM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: "ROBERT CHAPEL"
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH MAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN BUSY PREPARING FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY
AND MAKING ARRANGEMENTS FOR CARE FOR THE CATS AND MY GARDEN. MEMBERS OF THE
CHURCH ARE GOING TO HELP ME WHEN I COME HOME FROM SURGERY AND THE DOCTOR TOLD
ME I CAN FEED, WATER AND CLEAN BOXES AND FIX MY OWN MEALS
Sheri Burbridge wrote:
> Hi there! Things have been quiet around here but I was sincerely hoping
> that meant everyone was doing really well!
>
> Bob, I'm glad to hear little Gilbert is still with you and comfortable
> despite his prognosis. How wonderful that he has
Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses)
that is a lot of cats to look after
and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them
fosters???
Bob
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
wrote:
Send
I am by Gettysburg PA.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam
Doore
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
I live in western ny if that helps.
On Jul 21, 2017 12:54 PM, "Armstrong-Brown,
I live in western ny if that helps.
On Jul 21, 2017 12:54 PM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> I tried, I was going to get him a rabbit but Skylar is huge and would kill
> it. I tried to see if he liked my dog and my dog scares the hell out of
>
I tried, I was going to get him a rabbit but Skylar is huge and would kill it.
I tried to see if he liked my dog and my dog scares the hell out of him and the
dog is old. LOL have a nice weekend. I wanted to find someone who lived
close who had an FELV Cat so we could see how they did
You could vaccinate one of yours against felv. or maybe a different
species for him to watch like a fish tank, bird feeders outside of room, or
if you have a smart tv..paul dinning videos on youtube are a favorite of
mine and my girls :).
Mozart and Miko did everything together. Their mom, Ally
I am scared to get him a friend since I have 14 other cats in the house. He is
alone in a big area of the house. But I am not sure if him and another cat
would spread germs back and forth. My cat clan is up to 28 cats. Insane.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her kittens. One
kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I took another
FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too :).
On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
No, he said it was no big deal at all. I just worry. This is my first FELV
cat.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam
Doore
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
Sheila did your vet
Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?
On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> It was part of a blood panel I had done on him. I get bloodwork every 6
> months and I thought it was odd too.
>
>
It was part of a blood panel I had done on him. I get bloodwork every 6 months
and I thought it was odd too.
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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
To:
I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard anything.
Amani Oakley wrote:
> It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats (and
> being called
Hi there! Things have been quiet around here but I was sincerely hoping
that meant everyone was doing really well!
Bob, I'm glad to hear little Gilbert is still with you and comfortable
despite his prognosis. How wonderful that he has had such a good home with
you during this time.
My girl
Not at all related. I have no idea why a cholesterol would even be run on a
young kitty like that. Even with an older cat, it is seriously questionable
whether cholesterol has any relevance.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila
Ok thanks, wasn’t sure if I was giving him too many treats.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
It if were me, I would ignore the
It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats (and
being called into question in humans too).
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
To:
My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back great. High
cholesterol is all. No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 years old, I
hope he is around a long time.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT
CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, July
Hi Bob,
Thank you for the update on Gilbert!
There hasn't been much in the way of messages in the group - hoping this is a good thing.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 10:28 AM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL"
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:
Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again
not getting group mail
Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just
enjoy it while
Amani - this is very interesting, at least the part that I understood :)
I agree that Big Pharma seems to just follow the money, it's not about helping
our fellow man (or kitty) anymore, sadly.
And banning certain medicines because of their stigma, or potential use is just
silly!!!
Ardy
Agree!!
Ardy
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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 12:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress
Prayer does a lot, I know. I was supposed to
Marilyn,
Your thought about being glad you didn't know when you first got her is
EXACTLY the way I felt about my dear Tigger. He was near death when we found
him - we thought due to starvation, and he quickly bounced back after proper
care for a while. We also may not have kept him had we
Marilyn, I'm so sorry you had to say goodbye to little Destiny, she sounds
like such a sweet soul. Thank you for loving her through to the end, she
was lucky to have you!
Sheri
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, 7:33 AM Katherine K. wrote:
> Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of
Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of Destiny, but she will ALWAYS be
with you in your heart. She sounds like a beautiful little soul! May you
find comfort in the memories you shared together.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Gloria wrote:
> Marilyn,
> This pain you
I have been a foster failure 4 times. Once I saw how well the foster's did
with the the other cats and I fell in love, they had to stay :-D.
As far as treating shelter pets, I know that at my shelter there is a set
amount per pet and anything above that comes from a special account which
has
They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives. I have 3 15
pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on. Thank God they take
turns. Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot? Homey gets into a trance and digs
deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those
Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road... In
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re:
drugs. Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him
I have learned from Annie and others that I need to check out every
possibility, not just the obvious. Had I done so, we might have caught the
kidney problem in time. My vet has since done some research and found that
with FELV cats, kidney problem are one of the first signs, just sorry that
Bob
I know you have had trouble with the clinic in terms of offering you
medications, but if it were me, I would also want to try dexamethasone by
injection if possible. It is much more powerful than the prednisone in reducing
swelling and helping in reducing pain and neurological symptoms in
I am so sorry to hear about Gilbert. This sounds like much the same
progression. The sinus drip was from the pressure, although we didn't know
that. We just knew it was not bacterial.
Her head started to swell and she didn't have the energy or strength to go to
her favorite spots. (The
Marilyn...
So Sorry to hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this
when it was discovered that she was FeLV+ My Current Cat (
Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am
keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we
Ardy - there are a number of publications which deal with the mode of action of
Doxycycline and its antiviral properties. It doesn’t kill the virus but
inhibits its replication, sometimes by interfering with cell wall development
and other times by preventing the virus from penetrating cells.
Prayer does a lot, I know. I was supposed to die over 12 years ago from 4th
stage cancer.
Gloria wrote:
> I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
>
> I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress
> of vet visits &
Marilyn,
This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge hole
in your heart.
She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so sorry
and sad for you!
Gloria
-g
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley
I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of
vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question.
I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his
forelegs, toes -
The record does not specify the type of test done initially. The most
recent test was done in house and a drop of blood was put in a solution to
change color. It was very hard to see that it was positive. The vet thought
it was negative, but a tech pointed out a faint blue line that meant
I have no idea. Was the test result wrong initially? My current vet thinks
she was born with it or had it when we found her at 2 months. I would
advise all cats be tested; people need to know if their cat needs extra
care, but I am glad we did not know. Had we known, we would not have kept
Marilyn,
I am so sorry for your loss. I know how difficult it must be.
I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the
Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via a
blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate. I have
I'm so sorry Marilyn . Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat. You
certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines.
Sandy W
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From: "Ardy Robertson"
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
I would be very interestes in doxy results stopping viruses. Working at a
shelter I have seen plenty of chronic herpes.
On Jun 24, 2017 9:36 AM, "Ardy Robertson" wrote:
> Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I
> believe you said - possibly
Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I believe
you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this being studied
and tested by vets, schools, etc.?
I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus of
cold sores - my word -
Marilyn I send you my deepest empathy for Destiny and her crossing the
Rainbow Bridge!
hugs!
Pam
On Jun 24, 2017 12:33 AM, "Marilyn Knapp Litt"
wrote:
> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I
> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a
Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.
I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
Ardy
Marilyn
I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to have
you caring so much for her.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To:
Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped her
cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The vet
initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On this
visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet
I think they obtain it directly from growers or they go to states where it is
legal, or they get a prescription.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy
Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I
was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren’t always
free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or
people.
I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training
Amy - could you purchase it online?
I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years
ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana
for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course
I do know of people who
Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an
Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not.
People are crazy sometimes.
Ardy
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani
Thanks. I got started with amazon when I broke my arm and could not carry
heavy bags of liter and food and just stayed there. Will check out Chewy.
Gloria wrote:
> Topic was l-lysine FYI 邏
>
> I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and
Well, I guess that makes sense then!
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam
Doore
Sent: June-21-17 9:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I was talking about lysine.
~~@~@~@~@~@
Christ beside me, Christ
I was talking about lysine.
~~@~@~@~@~@
*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley
wrote:
> Huh??
>
>
>
> Are you sure
Topic was l-lysine FYI 邏
I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com
has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their
autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so
Huh??
Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes
confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump
through a million hoops. I don’t think it is easily available. I just went to
chewy.com, but don’t see it. I did a search on
I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two
of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats,
all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote:
> Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe
Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. There
are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.
Amani Oakley wrote:
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis
> oil I had
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