[Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly elevated in one of the kidney function areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and the IFA 85. Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept the cat indoors.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
If the IFA Elisa tests are both positive there is no reason to retest. The cat is infected. The cost you mention is in line with what I've paid. You may want to search the archives on mixing. Many on this list,including me, mix their positives negatives. Beth dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly elevated in one of the kidney function areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and the IFA 85. Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept the cat indoors. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Stress definitely plays a role! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of HIDEYO YAMAMOTO Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marta Gasper *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat ** ** Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.*** * One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.nethttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - *From:* dppl dpplhttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat ** ** I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be* *healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him* *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,* *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered* *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience?* *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give* *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the * *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit* *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.* -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
vets don't want unvaccinated animals in their clinics because they are trying to protect against the spread of disease. I was at the vet a few months ago when someone brought in a puppy which clearly had Parvo placed it on the floor! The vet quickly took car of the issue, but if others had been in there with unvaccinated animals it could have been a real problem. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman
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Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote: It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2
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Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing
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I said that to my vet one time about the vaccine offering no protection at all if given at the same time as surgery. The vet agreed. What could she say. We weren't talking about a specific pet though so there was no arguing but when I said it to a vet tech one time it kind of shocked her and she finally stumbled out that they just have to do it for the sake of liability, etc. just so they can say they gave the shot. We weren't talking about the rabies shot though so I know she was just grasping at straws. Matter of fact, I almost refuse to have vaccinations done at the time of surgery because I am already worried about the surgery weakening their immune system. I get them done ahead of time if at all possible. Every situation is different and I get by with certain things with certain vets because I've been in rescue for awhile. But yeah, most vets I know also won't do surgery without vaccinations. My normal vet won't even do surgery without the pre-surgery bloodwork. That should be optional not required. Pissed me off when I found out about it. It's not required for Humane society fosters but for normal clients it is. Regarding the cat needing to be neutered - many FeLV + cats get fixed and recover okay. I look at it like this - there's just no choice when it comes to spay/neuter. It's a necessary risk. The animal will be miserable without the surgery and will try to get out and might infect other cats. Just don't do the vaccinations like everyone else said. If the kitty needs a rabies get it done a couple weeks ahead if possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:20:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote: It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered
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Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is.On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark TwainFrom: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 year and thereafter 3 year. there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to health. Michelle -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is. On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo
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Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I had heard that the one year and the three year shots were the same but I didn't understand why the shots were a different price and the vets talk like it's a different shot. I might start asking for the Purevax without the adjuvant for my cats. I didn't really know there was an option so that's also helpful information. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:22:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 year and thereafter 3 year. there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to health. Michelle -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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.and on the same note, as the rabies providing immunity for up to 4 years, some states accept results of a titer to show that the animal is still protected, especially if an animal's immune system is compromised and too many vaccines aren't advisable. Find out if it applies in your states. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with auto-immune issues. If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive but worth it to me. On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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yes, i totally agree with you. they should definitelty be stretched out!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with auto-immune issues. If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive but worth it to me. On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.nethttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - *From:* dppl dpplhttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be* *healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him* *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,* *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered* *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience?* *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give* *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the* *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit* *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.* -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them. However, since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, I don’t see any real reason for neutering them. If one considers that their lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines.who would know? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather.you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I had two females. One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and was kept up and checked on regularly. She was fine, eating and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night. She was dying in my arms the next morning. A very few months later I had another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care. She came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day. There was no evidence of any problems with either girl. And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I needed them the most. Two cats, two vets..it happens and we can't always predict it. Needless to say, I die inside every time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day. At least she will be near medical care if things go sour Things happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do. We do our very best and that is all we can do. On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I can't wait until they perfect non surgical sterilzation of animals. I suppose they will be other issues though as they always is with drugs, etc. But maybe not. This site http://www.spayusa.org/main_directory/04-sterilization_methods/nonsurgical/index.asp says they are working on non surgical sterilzation.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm so sorry you had to go through all of that, and for your cats too. How horrible. Marcia Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:44 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I had two females. One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and was kept up and checked on regularly. She was fine, eating and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night. She was dying in my arms the next morning. A very few months later I had another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care. She came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day. There was no evidence of any problems with either girl. And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I needed them the most. Two cats, two vets..it happens and we can't always predict it. Needless to say, I die inside every time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day. At least she will be near medical care if things go sour Things happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do. We do our very best and that is all we can do. On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I cannot imagine having uneutered cat in my house. The smell would get untolerable as they mature. I've always fixed my FeLV cats. The syress on them has to be worse than the surgery. I would not vaccinate for FVRCP. My one cat spiraled down hill quickly after the vaccine I've heard of othrs having the same problem. I would have the CBC done 1st. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them. However, since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, I don’t see any real reason for neutering them. If one considers that their lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I agree with FeLV cats, but I never had an issue vaccinating my healthy FIV cat. I had to vaccinate him for FeLV as he lived with FeLV cats. I only gave him The FVRCP vaccine when I did a lot of rescue was worried about exposure since I was dealing with a lot of kittens from bad situations. Beth Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
If the neutering was going to affect him it would have been right away. My own cat acted fine one day (playing in the yard under supervision) at the emergency vet the next day with severe anemia. Cats are good at hiding illness. I know the anemia did not come on overnight. She was just hiding it until she couldn't hide it anymore. Don't beat yourself up over neutering your baby. That wasn't the problem. It was just this horrible virus. Beth Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was fine one day and on death's door the next :( I miss him so! Bless all the sick furry babies... L - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
One of our rescues tested positive at the time he was neutered. The vet went ahead and did the surgery. That was about a year ago. He was adopted in September and was fine at that time - and still is as of the last update I received. I'm not saying that neutering couldn't trigger a problem, but in our case, it didn't seem to. Good luck. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Agreed---not neutering a male cat ultimately is a whole lot more stressful for the cat. The procedure for male cats is a whole lot less intrusive than for female I would think that while there is always risk in any surgery, a simple neuter would ultimately be better than not neutering. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of lernermiche...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic. I don't know about males. Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My vet uses very small amount of anesthesia for males, it only takes 10-15 minutes, and they're up and about almost immediately. However, we always give cats to be altered some vitamin shots prior to surgery - Vitamin C, B12. As long as they are asymptomatic, well-fed and rested, no stress - altering males and females is not a problem. Yes, I have had both FeLV and FIV positive cats altered over the years and never had a problem. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic. I don't know about males. Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat. That's what I fear. But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very frustrated. It is bad enough he can't be with other cats. When I first called, I was told they won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That sounded wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in surgery separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was liability. That doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This is a facility that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation unless theperson bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she has seen only one cat test positive in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about risks. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Tigger was FeLV+ from birth. he WAS tested positive before neutering. the only thing the vet did different was send him home quicker. he lived to be 1 mo short of 5 when he passed nov, 2011. neutering did him no harm...if anything made him even more of a lovebug From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat. That's what I fear. But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very frustrated. It is bad enough he can't be with other cats. When I first called, I was told they won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That sounded wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in surgery separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was liability. That doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This is a facility that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation unless theperson bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she has seen only one cat test positive in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about risks. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was fine one day and on death's door the next :( I miss him so! Bless all the sick furry babies... L - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
