Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis, and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people and animals. Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead of waiting for cancer to return? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am. Ever once i a while I give in and eat a hotdog, then I put them in the freezer for 6 or 8 months and give in again. Sort of like my White Castle hamburgers. They were once called belly bombers for a reason, but they taste so good. All those grilled onions which I order extra on mine. I eat lots of onion and garlic and now thanks to DR. Oz, am adding lots of rosemary to my meals. It aids your memory and boy do I need that! Since I met Mary, I am leaning to mostly Vietnamese foods. They are very low in fats, sugar unlike Chinese and Thai. Lots of greens, very little meat, lots of rice noodles. I love Thai, but it does have a lot of sugar. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis, and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people and animals. Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead of waiting for cancer to return? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting. Tried it once, no more! Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards. Androgravis is not too good either. Best to disguise those 2. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis, and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people and animals. Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead of waiting for cancer to return? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ben, I cried when you wrote about Dexter. He sounds like he fought til he just got too tired and did what he could to let you know it was time for him to move on. It is so hard to make that choice. Makes you feel like you are 'playing' God sometimes but I think He knows and gives us that 'power' to use wisely, judiciously and to help our fur-babies when necessary. And Dexter knew, he told you, and now he's healthy, happy and waiting for you to show up. Anyway, you say you can get Interferon at vetcentric.com but neither of my vets are registered with them and apparently they have to have a vet Rx to ship anything so. Is what you get from them the Virbagen Interferon Omega or the human stuff? If it is the Virbagen Interferon Omega and you have some, can I ask what state you are in? I am in Ohio but if you have some of the Omega available I would like to know if you would give me your address so I can send you $ for shipping some to me? How long does it last? What is the dosage? Do you refrigerate it? Freeze it? Etc. If you are willing/able to send some please respond to me directly if possible. katofo...@gmail.com Thanks a zillion! My FeLV+ kitty, Luke (I know, sick name but when she tested positive I just started calling her my Luke Kitty and it stuck. What can I say?) will probably have all teeth pulled soon if I can come up with the $. She is having a hard time eating, seems to be losing appetite but still purrs up a storm when scritched. Refuses food with ANY meds; L-Lysine, Amoxicillin, tooth meds, etc.; drinks a little kitten milk replacement unless I try to mix any meds in it; eats a very small amount of canned food unless I add meds; trying to syringe force her gets me scratched, she spits most of it up and she and I both get VERY stressed. Her teeth are rotting. She probably doesn't have long as I can't afford much in the way of meds on unemployment but I want to help her if I can so she has a good life as long as possible... Bless all of you for the information, support and help you offer. Hope to hear from you Ben. Kat On 7/9/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting. Tried it once, no more! Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards. Androgravis is not too good either. Best to disguise those 2. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis, and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people and animals. Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead of waiting for cancer to return? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given
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Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Winn Foundation is legit and does a lot of good, I know they give grants for FIP research, but I think they do grants for other cat health issues as well. If you go to their home page and click on Grants you can see listings for what they have funded. Each year they put out a list of what projects they have funded. I didn't see anything for FeLV in 2010, but there was one grant for improving lymphoma treatment. My vet made a contribution in honor of my kitten when she died of FIP. Beth N. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do? What's their website - let's look into it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats? -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard
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Any local pharmacy. Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them. So, we just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it. A bottle of the powder that makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50? There's a huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers. One of our vets charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear! How does your vet get human interferon? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We get interferon through vetcentric.com. It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60. I've got two bottles if anyone needs any... -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Any local pharmacy. Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them. So, we just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it. A bottle of the powder that makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50? There's a huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers. One of our vets charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear! How does your vet get human interferon? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Actually, I have the name of a tetracycline that one can buy without prescription at pet supply stores...will try to find it. Yes, I heard that fish antibiotics are the sameisn't that strange that one can get them without prescription? They don't think that people would connect the dots! BTW - many of the drugs we buy here, are made in Mexico by US pharmaceutical companies that have plants there with cheap labor and good quality control! You would NOT be compromising your animals' health in any way! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were swelling. Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up. When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded well with benadryl. That thing sneaking up on Dexter? Full blown cancer - it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had probably made his heart swell. His breathing was becoming more and more labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much pain to continue. Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as well as steroids. He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body temperature dropped to 94 degrees. His little
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Cindy, what a beautiful thoughtthey are not gone, just gone ahead. Cathy and Mark.we'll make that two beautiful candles tonight in SoCal...one for Cali and one for Dexter. So sorry for your loss. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections
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It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week
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You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr
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I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven
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Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats? -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off
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I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do? What's their website - let's look into it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats? -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you
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http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Sara. I can't take credit for the sentiment; it belongs to Dee Miller, a kind and compassionate woman on my Canine list. Whenever I've lost a pet and post to the list, I always find comfort in Dee's reassuring words that my beloved is not gone, just gone ahead. Cindy and Angel Jackpot, who's gone ahead - Original Message - From: Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Cindy, what a beautiful thoughtthey are not gone, just gone ahead. Cathy and Mark.we'll make that two beautiful candles tonight in SoCal...one for Cali and one for Dexter. So sorry for your loss. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
I will ask my vet as well. Let's keep in touch and share what we find out. We definitely do not want our money wasted. Thanks for sharing that story. L - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
