Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I posted it on Monday; "Fleabusters" They sell nematodes for spraying outside, and also interior products that are safer than the toxic chemicals! http://www.fleabuster.com/Products/Biobusters/nematodes.html Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard? If not, what is name and where do I get them? GRAS wrote: > I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, > then it's the friendly little nematodes! > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Lee Evans > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > > I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break > the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do > this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the > single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the > bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of > different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What > you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are > paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I > don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 > extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a > "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is > sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else > is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or > whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or > you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with > curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution > into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because > it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > > _ > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > >My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said > >even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same > >ingredients may be different. > > The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I > cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a > pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from > CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, > dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I've seen them for sale on e-bay, the nematodes that is. From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard? If not, what is name and where do I get them? GRAS wrote: > I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then > it's the friendly little nematodes! > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee > Evans > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > > I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big > one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first > because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if > you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all > uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up > the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat > dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one > larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I > want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff > was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is > sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is > over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or > whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have > to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I > have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for > years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's > a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit > through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > > _ > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > > My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said > > even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same > > ingredients may be different. > > The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do > this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, > I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and > dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog > size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard? If not, what is name and where do I get them? GRAS wrote: > I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then > it's the friendly little nematodes! > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee > Evans > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > > I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big > one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first > because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if > you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all > uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up > the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat > dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one > larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I > want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff > was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is > sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is > over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or > whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have > to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I > have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for > years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's > a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit > through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > > _ > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > >My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said > >even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same > >ingredients may be different. > > The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do > this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, > I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and > dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog > size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: >My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said >even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same >ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s the friendly little nematodes! From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said > even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same > ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then it's the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: >My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said >even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same >ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a "bring your own bottle" basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: > My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said > even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same > ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: >My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said >even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same >ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
My cats have been prescribed Interceptor for heartworms caused by mosquitos. We get them inside our house occasionally - but it only takes one bite. Granted dogs get heartworms more often but vets are seeing an increase in cats. My question is do you think Interceptor is safe for cats? Thanks! Lynda Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Sender: "Felvtalk" Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:08:27 To: Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products For some reason, my pride has not had a problem with fleas or ticks. Don't know if the extreme heat killed them off or what. Now that we are getting some rain, mosquitos are getting to be a problem at dusk and early am so the cats only go out at midday. When we are all out, the mosquitos seem to prefer me to the cats. Found out that my old fashioned lye soap made with Jewelweed cuts the itching down. The heat killed my jewelweed off this year so I am going to make a rain garden for it. Then it will have enuogh moisture to grow good. Beth wrote: > That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds. Joslin Potter wrote: > >Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap >and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house >bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting >greasy drops on my pets. > > > > From: Cindy McHugh >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > >I >bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely >ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because >that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had >recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area >were >building an immunity to it. > >I >switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a >source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now >with >no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 >treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is >http://www.fleakiller.co/ > >I >have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied >customer. > >Cindy >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific > sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with > bacteria and abx). > > I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for > cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that > was spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who > originally had it. When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I > only had to give them one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult > fleas). > > In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the > fleas (in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool > grade) diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap. I have concrete > floors, so I just painted this on. (When I use DE dry, it messes up my > sinuses and causes headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.) > I have not had a problem for 2--3 years now. If you have carpets, I've > read that vacuuming every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the > canister) will also get most of the eggs. You can also sprinkle DE or > salt onto the carpet, brush it in, and leave for a day before vacuuming. > > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter wrote: > > > Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap > > and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house > > bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then > > putting greasy drops on my pets. > > > >*From:* Cindy McHugh > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > >I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was > > completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned > > it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) > > said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas > > in our area were building an immunity to it. > > > > I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I > > found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a > > year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for > > small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the > > company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ > > > > I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very > > satisfied customer. > > > > Cindy > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > -- > > Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! > > If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their > life. Contact your local pound for information. > <http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm> > > If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and > to free up cage space. > > > Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by > implementing the No Kill Equation: > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/<http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> > > Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: > http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ > > Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org > > More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ > > More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially > http://vimeo.com/48445902 > > > > Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: > http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would need a transfusion every time I tried to bathe my guys! GRAS wrote: > Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It > is important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes! Didsolve the little > bugger’s waxy coating! Natalie > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Joslin Potter > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > > Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea > comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It > sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy > drops on my pets. > > > > From: Cindy McHugh > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > > > > > I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely > ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because > that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had > recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area > were building an immunity to it. > > > > I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a > source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now > with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats > or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is > http://www.fleakiller.co/ > > > > I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very > satisfied customer. > > > > Cindy > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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For some reason, my pride has not had a problem with fleas or ticks. Don't know if the extreme heat killed them off or what. Now that we are getting some rain, mosquitos are getting to be a problem at dusk and early am so the cats only go out at midday. When we are all out, the mosquitos seem to prefer me to the cats. Found out that my old fashioned lye soap made with Jewelweed cuts the itching down. The heat killed my jewelweed off this year so I am going to make a rain garden for it. Then it will have enuogh moisture to grow good. Beth wrote: > That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds. Joslin Potter wrote: > >Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap >and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house >bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting >greasy drops on my pets. > > > > From: Cindy McHugh >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > >I >bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely >ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because >that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had >recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area >were >building an immunity to it. > >I >switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a >source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now >with >no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 >treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is >http://www.fleakiller.co/ > >I >have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied >customer. > >Cindy >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I just went to the home page. WOW! This is wonderful. Per cat it comes out to be less than a dollar a dose. I'm sending this page on to a rescuer who is not on this list but runs a rescued cat shelter and adoption center. Thanks for mentioning it. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Cindy McHugh To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is www.fleakiller.co I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That would be a lot of baths.And a huge emergency bill for my wounds. Joslin Potter wrote: > >Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap >and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house >bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting >greasy drops on my pets. > > > > From: Cindy McHugh >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > > >I >bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely >ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because >that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had >recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area >were >building an immunity to it. > >I >switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a >source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now >with >no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 >treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is >http://www.fleakiller.co/ > >I >have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied >customer. > >Cindy >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Has anyone used the friendly nematodes to spray around the house? That’s all we use – except for a new cat coming in with fleas – they get zapped with it only once, period! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with bacteria and abx). I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that was spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who originally had it. When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I only had to give them one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult fleas). In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the fleas (in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool grade) diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap. I have concrete floors, so I just painted this on. (When I use DE dry, it messes up my sinuses and causes headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.) I have not had a problem for 2--3 years now. If you have carpets, I've read that vacuuming every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the canister) will also get most of the eggs. You can also sprinkle DE or salt onto the carpet, brush it in, and leave for a day before vacuuming. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter wrote: Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy drops on my pets. From: Cindy McHugh To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ <http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It is important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes! Didsolve the little bugger’s waxy coating! Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy drops on my pets. From: Cindy McHugh To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with bacteria and abx). I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea infestation that was spreading a red blood cell parasite and taking down the one who originally had it. When I had some pound kitties come in with fleas, I only had to give them one Capstar (works for one day and kills only adult fleas). In both instances, I also cleaned up the floor--which harbors 90% of the fleas (in egg/larvae form)--with a solution of food-grade (note NOT pool grade) diatomaceous earth, water, and non-toxic soap. I have concrete floors, so I just painted this on. (When I use DE dry, it messes up my sinuses and causes headaches, and isn't that good for kitty lungs, either.) I have not had a problem for 2--3 years now. If you have carpets, I've read that vacuuming every day (and disposing of the bag or emptying the canister) will also get most of the eggs. You can also sprinkle DE or salt onto the carpet, brush it in, and leave for a day before vacuuming. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Joslin Potter wrote: > Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap > and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house > bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then > putting greasy drops on my pets. > >*From:* Cindy McHugh > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products > >I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was > completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned > it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) > said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas > in our area were building an immunity to it. > > I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I > found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a > year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for > small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the > company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ > > I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very > satisfied customer. > > Cindy > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. <http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/<http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy drops on my pets. From: Cindy McHugh To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks! I know Walmart is selling a brand that is the same ingredients as Frontline, but still much more than that! Cindy McHugh wrote: >I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely >ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because >that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had >recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area >were building an immunity to it. >I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a >source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now >with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats >or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is >www.fleakiller.co >I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied >customer. >Cindy >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is www.fleakiller.co I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't understand why people don't change the subject line when the subject changes??? On 10-05, Beth wrote: >This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted >this because the subject line said "President" >The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if >the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs >Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or >Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. >MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX >Beth > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt they've changed ingredients. I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog multi that's bad for cats. I found the info online though so I know it's out there. Maybe what I read was wrong though. Find out what ingredient is bad and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and tell him someone told you it was bad for cats. I'd go back and look it up if I had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to audit the books for my company. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi." Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat "Multi" is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, A
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Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi." Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat "Multi" is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out. I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried it? Any sugge
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My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. However, I understand that when we have many it is costly. Heck, we brought home a kitty that had walking mange (chewing lice - lovely) and in an overabundance of caution we put Advantage (or Revolution, can't remember) on everyone and it was about $400 to dose everyone in the house - YIKES From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:48:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi." Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat "Multi" is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to
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Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi." Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat "Multi" is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out. I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried it? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out. I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried it? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said "President" The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out. I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried it? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for the info.. I have always been wary of all those flea products as they are pesticides, and the warning about us not getting it on our skin tells the story! A little bit on our skin couldn't possibly be as bad as the entire tube on our cats! Lorrie and 14 cats in WV Cats are independent. They don't listen, they don't come when you call, they like to stay out all night, and when they're home they like to be left alone to sleep. In other words, every quality women hate in a man, they love in a cat! /\ /\ ( ^^ ) > On 10-17, Tracey Shrout wrote: I used to use Frontline on my 5 > kitties but was always worried about the toxicity of it. I started > researching and found a great list about the toxicity of flea and > tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense council) > website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical > treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can > they be safe when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? > Anyway, I decided to go with Program. The one I buy is the kind you > mix in their food. I was leery that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 > cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of the products on the list > that was considered to have very low toxicity. Here's the link: > http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf It lists them in > order of risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of > my 5 cats go outside. > > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and > > confirm if he does have fleas or not. He eats from only stainless steel or > > ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump > > under his chin. So far I've found "natural" flea products with neem oil, > > clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, > > eucalyptus oil, cedar oil (combinations of these). I will ask the vet > > about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. > > Hope to be flea free, > > Stacy and Spanky > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400 > > From: Natalie > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas > > Message-ID: <004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All > > kinds of natural products. > > www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to > > spray > > around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can > > use > > the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are > > introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas. > > The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the > > better! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM > > To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' > > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas > > > > If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken > > for flea dirt. Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using > > only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives > > against fleasthe cedar one is good. We use nematodes to spray around > > the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > create_me_...@yahoo.com > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas > > > > I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will > > cause severe anemia & comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every > > month & I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will > > deprive the cat of nutrients. > > Beth > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Szacherdroid > > Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 > > To: > > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas > > > > Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking > > dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs > > around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they > > couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm > > here > > in WI this week. > > > > Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system > > for > > fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat > > him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think > > that > > would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for lt
