Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Lee Evans 
Were they dewormed?  Shots are one thing but deworming is important even if the 
test for worms is negative.  Most kittens from street moms or who have been 
abandoned have worms.  Deworming is done prophylactically by most rescue 
organizations. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





>
> From: Marcia 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
> 
>
>It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria in their 
>gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is making them sick?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:
>
>
>Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too?   Last I 
>talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use 
>``controversial'' Tamiflu.   My friend's vet saved her litter that way.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia  wrote:
>>
>>Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a 
>>lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them 
>>to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a 
>>bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't 
>>labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, 
>>like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting 
>>everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in 
>>the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 
>>mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-:
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
>>>>Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the 
>>>>vomit.
>>>>
>>>>She
 is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried to
 get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat 
it.  The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  
Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water.
>>>>
>>>>Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some 
>>>>dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe 
>>>>their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>>>>
>>>>I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The 
>>>>kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their 
>>>>human parents twice and left two messages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi  
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food 
>>>>when they came to your house?  
>>>>> 
>>>>>From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>Martha Walton
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>>>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>>>>> 
>>>>>I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens 
>>>>>ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up 
>>>>>at food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up 
>>>>>water.  Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 
>>>>>today.  Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very 
>>>>>worried about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a 
>>>>>message about the vomiting.  
>>>>>
>>>>>The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
>>>>>have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of 
>>>>>my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting 
>>>>>my cats sick..
>>>>>
>>>>>Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Marcia 
It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria in their 
gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is making them sick?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:

> Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too?   Last I 
> talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use 
> ``controversial'' Tamiflu.   My friend's vet saved her litter that way.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia  wrote:
>> Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had 
>> a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch 
>> them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I 
>> had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It 
>> wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing 
>> bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started 
>> hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next 
>> year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per 
>> lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-:
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
>>> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the 
>>> vomit.
>>> 
>>> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried 
>>> to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.  
>>> The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.   Problem 
>>> is, they walk away and vomit up the water.
>>> 
>>> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some 
>>> dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe 
>>> their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>>> 
>>> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The 
>>> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their 
>>> human parents twice and left two messages.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi  
>>> wrote:
 Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of 
 food when they came to your house? 
 
  
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Martha Walton
 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
 
  
 
 I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens 
 ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up 
 at food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up 
 water.  Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 
 today.  Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very 
 worried about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a 
 message about the vomiting.  
 
 The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
 have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of 
 my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting 
 my cats sick..
 
 Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
 
 I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
 
 
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> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
> life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
> free up cage space.
> 
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
> implementing the No Kill Equation: 
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> 
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
> http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> 
> More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> 
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
> 
> 
> 
> Local feral cat crisis?

Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Marcia 
Yes...that is what a vet told me and I was shocked! But actually about 20 ago I 
had a kitten that had it and iused amoxicillin and he finally came out of it. I 
also used raw blood from calf liver mixed with canned food and syringes it. He 
ended up being very unbalanced from it because it affected his brain. But he 
didn't know he was different(: I just lost him a few years ago):

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:

> On Panleuk?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Marcia  wrote:
>> But amoxicillin works too!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
>>> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the 
>>> vomit.
>>> 
>>> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried 
>>> to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.  
>>> The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.   Problem 
>>> is, they walk away and vomit up the water.
>>> 
>>> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some 
>>> dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe 
>>> their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>>> 
>>> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The 
>>> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their 
>>> human parents twice and left two messages.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi  
>>> wrote:
 Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of 
 food when they came to your house? 
 
  
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Martha Walton
 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
 
  
 
 I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens 
 ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up 
 at food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up 
 water.  Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 
 today.  Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very 
 worried about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a 
 message about the vomiting.  
 
 The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
 have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of 
 my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting 
 my cats sick..
 
 Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
 
 I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
 
 
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> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
> life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
> free up cage space.
> 
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
> implementing the No Kill Equation: 
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> 
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
> http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> 
> More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> 
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
> 
> 
> 
> Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: 
> http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Christiane Biagi 
Anytime you change food, you should mix the old & the new for a few days as
they often get diarrhea.  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Martha Walton
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

 

Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the
vomit.

She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried
to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is,
they walk away and vomit up the water.

Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some dry
food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe their
tummies just didn't like the new food.

I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The
kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their
human parents twice and left two messages.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi 
wrote:

Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food
when they came to your house?  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Martha Walton
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

 

I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens ate
well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both
kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about
them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about the
vomiting.  

The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of my
cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my
cats sick..

Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves 
On Panleuk?

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Marcia  wrote:

> But amoxicillin works too!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>
> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.
> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the
> vomit.
>
> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried
> to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
> The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is,
> they walk away and vomit up the water.
>
> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some
> dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe
> their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>
> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The
> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their
> human parents twice and left two messages.
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:
>
>> Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
>> food when they came to your house?  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Martha Walton
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens
>> ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.
>> Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
>> about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about
>> the vomiting.
>>
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of
>> my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
>> my cats sick..
>>
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>>
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves 
Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too?   Last
I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use
``controversial'' Tamiflu.   My friend's vet saved her litter that way.


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia  wrote:

> Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I
> had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not
> catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was
> panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for
> mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast
> growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so
> I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately
> the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for
> cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-:
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>
> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.
> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the
> vomit.
>
> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried
> to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
> The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is,
> they walk away and vomit up the water.
>
> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some
> dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe
> their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>
> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The
> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their
> human parents twice and left two messages.
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:
>
>> Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
>> food when they came to your house?  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Martha Walton
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens
>> ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.
>> Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
>> about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about
>> the vomiting.
>>
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of
>> my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
>> my cats sick..
>>
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>>
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Marcia 
But amoxicillin works too!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:

> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the vomit.
> 
> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried to 
> get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.  The 
> kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is, they 
> walk away and vomit up the water.
> 
> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some dry 
> food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe their 
> tummies just didn't like the new food.
> 
> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The 
> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their 
> human parents twice and left two messages.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi  wrote:
>> Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food 
>> when they came to your house? 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Martha Walton
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens ate 
>> well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at 
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.  
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both 
>> kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about 
>> them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about the 
>> vomiting.  
>> 
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of my 
>> cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my 
>> cats sick..
>> 
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>> 
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Marcia 
Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a 
lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them to 
vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a 
bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't 
labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like 
toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting everyone 
up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in the Plumb 
Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML 
just in case you ever need it(-:

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On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton  wrote:

> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.  
> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the vomit.
> 
> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried to 
> get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.  The 
> kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is, they 
> walk away and vomit up the water.
> 
> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some dry 
> food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe their 
> tummies just didn't like the new food.
> 
> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The 
> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their 
> human parents twice and left two messages.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi  wrote:
>> Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food 
>> when they came to your house? 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Martha Walton
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens ate 
>> well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at 
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.  
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both 
>> kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about 
>> them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about the 
>> vomiting.  
>> 
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of my 
>> cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my 
>> cats sick..
>> 
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>> 
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves 
I think it's generally agreed upon that kittens should get wet food, not
dry.   Did you try feeding the wet food you'd been giving them before they
shut down?

I'm an evangelist against all dry, no matter how ``healthy,'' as cats are
desert animals and don't have good thirst mechanisms to make them want to
drink water to compensate for dry food.

Did they just have shots?   Maybe they are reacting to them?I hope they
hold off on any more shots until this is resolved.

I don't remember my Panleuk kittens having blood in the vomit/diarrhea, but
I may be blocked that out.

Keep an eye on them not getting dehydrated, as cats go downhill fast when
they do.



On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Martha Walton wrote:

> Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.
> Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the
> vomit.
>
> She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried
> to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
> The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is,
> they walk away and vomit up the water.
>
> Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some
> dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe
> their tummies just didn't like the new food.
>
> I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The
> kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their
> human parents twice and left two messages.
>
>  On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:
>
>>  Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
>> food when they came to your house?  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Martha Walton
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens
>> ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.
>> Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
>> about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about
>> the vomiting.
>>
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of
>> my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
>> my cats sick..
>>
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>>
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>>
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to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
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Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Marcia 
I also worry about cedar, it's toxic to small animals livers.


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On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:

> Watch them for Panleuk symptoms: depression, hanging head (most of the time, 
> not just over the food/water bowl), loose/watery stools, vomitting, low 
> energy.
> 
> If they are throwing up just bile, then they are just hungry.   Can you 
> syringe some baby food into them to get them started eating again?   What are 
> you feeding?   If dry, switch to raw or healthy wet, such as Merrick's Before 
> Grain (plus 5% canned unspiced pumpkin).   You can also mix up half and half 
> goat milk and wet food.
> 
> I don't let my cats get around pine/cedar litter because of the phenols in 
> pine, which can be toxic to cat livers.  Supposedly, this is taken care of in 
> cat litters, but if it makes my bladder disease worse, then I don't subject 
> cats to it, either.  Not to mention this stuff is scented, to boot.
> 
> Use disposable gloves when handling the kittens.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Martha Walton  wrote:
>> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens ate 
>> well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at 
>> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.  
>> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both 
>> kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about 
>> them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about the 
>> vomiting.  
>> 
>> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I 
>> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of my 
>> cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my 
>> cats sick..
>> 
>> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>> 
>> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>> 
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> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
> life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
> free up cage space.
> 
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
> implementing the No Kill Equation: 
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> 
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
> http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> 
> More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> 
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Martha Walton 
Thanks Kathryn & Christiane.
Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool & no blood in the
vomit.

She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I have tried
to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive.  Problem is,
they walk away and vomit up the water.

Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday & Friday.  I gave them some
dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct.  Maybe
their tummies just didn't like the new food.

I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.  The
kittens have had the first round of shots & testing.  I have called their
human parents twice and left two messages.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

> Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
> food when they came to your house?  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Martha Walton
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
>
> ** **
>
> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens
> ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.
> Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
> about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about
> the vomiting.
>
> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of
> my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
> my cats sick..
>
> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>
> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Christiane Biagi 
Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food
when they came to your house?  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Martha Walton
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

 

I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens ate
well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both
kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about
them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about the
vomiting.  

The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of my
cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my
cats sick..

Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves 
Watch them for Panleuk symptoms: depression, hanging head (most of the
time, not just over the food/water bowl), loose/watery stools, vomitting,
low energy.

If they are throwing up just bile, then they are just hungry.   Can you
syringe some baby food into them to get them started eating again?   What
are you feeding?   If dry, switch to raw or healthy wet, such as Merrick's
Before Grain (plus 5% canned unspiced pumpkin).   You can also mix up half
and half goat milk and wet food.

I don't let my cats get around pine/cedar litter because of the phenols in
pine, which can be toxic to cat livers.  Supposedly, this is taken care of
in cat litters, but if it makes my bladder disease worse, then I don't
subject cats to it, either.  Not to mention this stuff is scented, to boot.

Use disposable gloves when handling the kittens.


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Martha Walton wrote:

> I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The kittens
> ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
> food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
> Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.
> Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
> about them not eating.  I have called their owner and left a message about
> the vomiting.
>
> The owner says that both kittens have been tested for "all diseases".  I
> have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats.  Today one of
> my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
> my cats sick..
>
> Any suggestions?  The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.
>
> I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.
>
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life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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