Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Thanks, but Sneaker won't even come in to eat when I offer treats until I leave the area. There's no way I could make sure he got the treat with the pill in it. I can't get him to come to any type of food with any regularity. I put lysine into all the cats' wet food just trying to get some into him. I never know if he eats any of it or not, because I also keep dry food in the basement for them, and he won't come eat in front of me. :( tonya Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My secret pilling method is meat baby food (no onions or garlic). I crush pills, dissolve the a cc of water and mix in a little baby food. With liquids I just mix it in a little baby food. Then I offer the baby food on a spoon or syringe feed it. Most kitties love gently warmed meat baby food and think they are getting a treat. HTH Sharyl --- On Tue, 11/4/08, catatonya wrote: From: catatonya Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:25 AM Hey Gloria, We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period. :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
I will! Thank you! Alice hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey, there is a new injectable antibiotic out called " Convenia." The vet gives one injection and it lasts for 14 DAYS!! My little Miss Clara got it the last time, and she back to her old self and antics the very next day. She's hard to give meds to too. You should see if your vet can try that.Alice > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:25:28 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?> > Hey > Gloria,> > We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I > start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for > days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different > vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried > zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day > for the entire time period. :(> > Gloria Lane wrote:> Hey Tonya, I might try > some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > discovery to try for the unknown. > I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > with problem eyes. I've read that some > abx are said to affect Herpes, > because of the relationship between the two > amino acids lysine and > arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that > might be a > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you > have to > be able to squirt it in the mouth.> > Good luck,> > Gloria> > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:> > > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's > > been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at > > least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't > > know...> > t> >> > > > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
My secret pilling method is meat baby food (no onions or garlic). I crush pills, dissolve the a cc of water and mix in a little baby food. With liquids I just mix it in a little baby food. Then I offer the baby food on a spoon or syringe feed it. Most kitties love gently warmed meat baby food and think they are getting a treat. HTH Sharyl --- On Tue, 11/4/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:25 AM Hey Gloria, We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period. :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hey, there is a new injectable antibiotic out called " Convenia." The vet gives one injection and it lasts for 14 DAYS!! My little Miss Clara got it the last time, and she back to her old self and antics the very next day. She's hard to give meds to too. You should see if your vet can try that.Alice > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:25:28 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?> > Hey > Gloria,> > We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I > start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for > days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different > vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried > zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day > for the entire time period. :(> > Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hey > Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > discovery to > try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > with problem eyes. > I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, > because of the > relationship between the two amino acids lysine and > arginine. The zithro is > more expensive, so that might be a > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and > clinidamycin, so you have to > be able to squirt it in the mouth.> > Good > luck,> > Gloria> > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:> > > > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's > > been > exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at > > least a year > now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't > > know...> > t> >> > > > > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
sounds like he is Snuggles reincarnated. good luck with him. will pray for you both, YOU will need it. dorlis catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It doesn't feel like it's fluid. It doesn't sound like there's any fluid > when he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at > that time). I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore. I don't see > him for weeks after a vet visit. :( > t > > MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw > fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. > > > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
i don't know if they have something like this for the antibiotics he is getting, but my vet gave Annie an injection that lasts for 2 weeks. she also is difficult to pill, give liquids and is super good at hiding. she can get lost in our house very easy. my Snuggles also hated pills, liquids, any kind of meds. he used every weapon in his arsenal and had no problems with biting, scratching me to avoid them. once, he got a grass seed lodged in his lung, almost died and had to be put on oxygen for couple of days the vet gave him shots those days, but sent him home with horse size pills to be given every day. after 1 day, ended up going to vet every day for shots. that way, i did ot have to get a transfusion every day. dorlis catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Gloria, > > We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start > him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for > days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different > vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried > zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day > for the entire time period. :( > > Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, > because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and > arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to > be able to squirt it in the mouth. > > Good luck, > > Gloria > > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: > > > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's > > been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at > > least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't > > know... > > t > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
It doesn't feel like it's fluid. It doesn't sound like there's any fluid when he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at that time). I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore. I don't see him for weeks after a vet visit. :( t MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
His belly feels 'tight' to the touch. Can a cat keep an ongoing herpes infection that never worsens or improves much? Heather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach "feels like" the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hey Gloria, We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period. :( Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's > been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at > least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't > know... > t > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
great site. I'm going to assume if he's not got sicker over the past few months it must just be weight gain. He is eating more because he likes the wet food better. thanks, t Beth Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's a link with a good explanation: http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth :o) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
That's why I'm thinking it's not fip. This has been going on over a year (the breathing difficulty). The weight gain only for a few months. I would think he would have to show some other symptoms and be sicker than the breathing problem if it's fip, but he does have a fat belly. thank you! t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP. FIP is a mutation of coronavirus, which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters, have been exposed to at one time or another. Most cats can carry coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects. There is no way to tell in which cats the virus will mutate. Cats who live in single cat households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat households. Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause weight loss. There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is wrong. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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He's eating fine. The problem is he's 12 years old. Can cats 'harbor' fip like felv? tonya Beth Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Tonya, I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago. She had a chronic URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics. When her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?) It quickly became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced spine. From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or less? Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers then that's a good sign. Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya wrote: > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been > exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year > now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... > t > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
no, not paranoid. i at least call my vet when i notice something new and in this case, would probably take him in just to be sure. better to go in and catch something in early stages than wait. so people think you are nuts, that is their problem. dorlis catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has > chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, > but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is > semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, > I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that > is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if > that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food. > So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy. Am I > being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a > cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything. > thanks in advance for any ideas. > tonya > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
About a year ago, stray calico kitty that we fostered, and found a great home for had such a bloated belly when we saw her, we thought she was pregnant! I thought she was 99.999% pregnant, that is how large her stomach was. We took her to a local vet, and they offered to do an ultrasound and palpitation. It turned out it the vet said some cats get that way after starving and not being able to eat regularly. She had presumably been dumped by someone in the area, and was very domesticated and sweet. She was checked for worms-- clear, FeLV and FIV- clear, and is the picture of health, being spoiled by her human up in Northern Cali.:) -Original Message- From: Heather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 6:58 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip? A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach "feels like" the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and > lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from > replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter > cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes > it > sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to > test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last > three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org. > > zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms > of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the > zithro... > > and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most > cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it > back > in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller > households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be > wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive > on > CoV titres is at "any one time"--so the same sample won't necessarily do so > the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much > more > likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds, > who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7.. > > as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there > is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet), > of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP, > so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier > might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question > how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are. > seems > it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't > want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find > patterns. > > MC > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > > discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > > with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, > > because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and > > arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a > > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to > > be able to squirt it in the mouth. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Gloria > > > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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good point, esp. w/regards to FIP, even some "good" vets don't know what they are talking about. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw > fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. > > > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach "feels like" the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and > lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from > replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter > cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes > it > sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to > test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last > three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org. > > zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms > of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the > zithro... > > and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most > cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it > back > in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller > households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be > wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive > on > CoV titres is at "any one time"--so the same sample won't necessarily do so > the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much > more > likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds, > who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7.. > > as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there > is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet), > of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP, > so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier > might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question > how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are. > seems > it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't > want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find > patterns. > > MC > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > > discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > > with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, > > because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and > > arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a > > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to > > be able to squirt it in the mouth. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Gloria > > > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes it sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org. zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the zithro... and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it back in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive on CoV titres is at "any one time"--so the same sample won't necessarily do so the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much more likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds, who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7.. as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet), of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP, so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are. seems it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find patterns. MC On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest > discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens > with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, > because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and > arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a > deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to > be able to squirt it in the mouth. > > Good luck, > > Gloria > > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's > been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at > least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't > know... > t > > Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I > was in > college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know > there were > not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to > antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was > never > seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know > he was > losing weight. > > Sally > > > On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has >> chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty >> breathing, >> but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is >> semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. >> Anyway, >> I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a >> cat that >> is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act >> sicker if >> that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet >> food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT >> tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it >> sounds >> like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye >> discharge or >> anything. >> thanks in advance for any ideas. >> tonya >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > > -- > Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate > angel), > Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, > Pewter, > Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please > Visit my > Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. > > http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Here's a link with a good explanation: http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth :o) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's it - thanks! > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think it's called Rivalta's test? > > > > Beth > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's it - thanks! On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's called Rivalta's test? > > Beth > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think it's called Rivalta's test? Beth On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule > out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet > FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think > a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is > wrong. > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP. FIP is a mutation of coronavirus, which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters, have been exposed to at one time or another. Most cats can carry coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects. There is no way to tell in which cats the virus will mutate. Cats who live in single cat households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat households. Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause weight loss. There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is wrong. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has > chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, > but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is > semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, > I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that > is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if > that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food. > So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy. Am I > being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a > cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything. > thanks in advance for any ideas. > tonya > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Tonya, I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago. She had a chronic URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics. When her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?) It quickly became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced spine. From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or less? Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers then that's a good sign. Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been > exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year > now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... > t > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was losing weight. Sally On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has > chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, > but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is > semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, > I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that > is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if > that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet > food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT > tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds > like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or > anything. > thanks in advance for any ideas. > tonya > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was losing weight. Sally On 11/2/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has > chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, > but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is > semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, > I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that > is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if > that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet > food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT > tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds > like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or > anything. > thanks in advance for any ideas. > tonya > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
