Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Yes Charles, they did run wild and breed. They alwo werre killed by larger predators and often lived very short, unhealthy lives. I have 7 just cats, not papered purebreds and I would never keep them in a cage. they have the run of my house. They go outside for a few hours in the day and yes, they are all neutered/spayed . I do not consider myself a bonehead jerk as you call all of us, just someone who cares about animals as well as people. I also have 2 FELV positive cats in the house with my 5 negative cats. All are up to date on their shots and very healthy. Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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I am mostly judging him on his attitude and languageHe complains about Jennifer, what makes him think he is so different from her? Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him directly. I did suggest breed rescue. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
A lot of unwanted cats and dogs get dumped in the country, get hit by cars, killed by a coyote or a pack of dogs or shot by hunters who consider them good target practice. Sometimes they are poisoned as vermin. My 7 were headed for that fate, but someone found them and I ended up with them. They are not fancy breeds, just cats, but the love and companonship they give makes the most valuable cats in the world. Somehow, I don't get the feeling Charles has that same love for his Buddy and the poor unloved FELV female that he is so pissed off because he was ripped off. Yes, I wold be upset at loosing the $300, but I would be even more angry and conserned about the little female and making up to her for the treatment she received before. Guess that is why I will never be rich, I care moe about the life than the $$$. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail: This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to leave the group. I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke, as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage, gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat, for what purpose? To sell the kittens. Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy mill. The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered? Where have you been living, Charles, in cave? Try to understand what those who objected to your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats. I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old, begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for killing. The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the saved cat, it's everything. Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was definitely not. Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either. Natalie - cat rescuer in CT -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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RIGHT ON EDNA. Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask what effing planet are you from dude? I have been involved in rescue for over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this money is I am making? How much do you sell your cats for? Thousands? So, yea SCR*W YOU! YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside. Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the problems HE creates. Off my soapbox now ;) Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Absolutely Beth Breeders will get a lecture from me too. Lorrie On 05-28, Beth wrote: I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail: This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to leave the group. I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke, as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage, gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat, for what purpose? To sell the kittens. Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy mill. The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered? Where have you been living, Charles, in cave? Try to understand what those who objected to your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats. I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old, begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for killing. The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the saved cat, it's everything. Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was definitely not. Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either. Natalie - cat rescuer in CT -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage. That makes it sound like you don't care. That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from parasites. I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks. We aren't jerks. We just love cats. Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are becoming less and less. There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat. It all matters. Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago. Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then. All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house. I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where he can be with you. He needs companionship too. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Charles Adamsmailto:texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams -- From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Regarding your statement, “I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. “ If you’re not looking for someone to take this cat, could you be more specific in what help you’re seeking? I deleted the original message, but from what I remember, you stated that you did not want a pet cat and never did. Not surprisingly, some people would take this as meaning you’re looking to place this cat. You should always be cautious when turning an animal over to someone – anyone (I always check vet references at a minimum and usually do a home visit as well) – but if you have a legitimate rescue offer for this kitty, you should thank your lucky stars because it’s extremely hard to place a FeLV+ cat. I do rescue and I’m involved in Bengal rescue – and no, I do not want, nor can I accept this cat – but I receive requests weekly for people wanting help placing their purebred Bengals. So please do not automatically assume that just because this cat is a purebred Bengal that she will be sold for profit. I’ve worked with Bengal rescue for years and while most cats are adopted for $150, this barely covers their vetting (spay/neuter, testing, shots, etc). I’m sorry if some people on this list have offended you, but please take a moment and read your post from our point of view. Those of us who do rescue are overwhelmed financially, physically, and emotionally by the sheer number of homeless animals. When we see someone intentionally trying to add to that population, it strikes a nerve. In my case, I’m living with a cat who was a “retired” breeder, kept in an outside cage and then locked in a basement for 3 years by someone who couldn’t handle his behavior, but who didn’t want to take him to a shelter or pass him off on someone else. I love the cat and care for him as best I can, but it pains me to see his stress and anxiety. And it’s even more upsetting to know that he’s in this condition because someone used him (for breeding) and then threw him away. In your original message, you state your cat lives in an outside cage and that you did not want a pet cat. This made it *sound* as though you really didn’t care about him other than to generate kittens/money. This may not be the case – and I hope it’s not. As your most recent post states, I hope your cat is loved as part of your family – and enjoys companionship and attention. As for the FeLV+ cat, again, I’m really not sure what you’re looking for. Several people have offered you ideas and resources for placing her. If that’s not your objective, are you looking for health/care advice? I’m sure many people here would like to help the cat; we’re just not sure what kind of help you’re seeking. Cindy From: Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage. That makes it sound like you don't care. That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from parasites. I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks. We aren't jerks. We just love cats. Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are becoming less and less. There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat. It all matters. Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago. Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then. All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house. I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where he can be with you. He needs companionship too. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Charles Adams To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask what effing planet are you from dude? I have been involved in rescue for over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this money is I am making? How much do you sell your cats for? Thousands? So, yea SCR*W YOU! YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside. Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the problems HE creates. Off my soapbox now ;) Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty name. Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually shelter no one. Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children if they couldn't be adopted? Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time? Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding. I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you could have more Bengal cat pets. You would eventually have sold the offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats to sell etc.. Please be honest with yourself. You did write in one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house. Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her. So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens. Not a good plan. I understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage. Before they are neutered, male cats stink. I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant. After they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again. You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss. You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who mated with some roaming outside male. One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we don't sell cats that we rescue. By the time we get the cats ready for adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted. Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to $80 per cat. The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier. They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated. You probably didn't know this. Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list. I hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general. I won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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AMEN BEN :) YOU ROCK :) From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:30 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It is unconscionable to allow a FeLV+ cat outside, not only because she will get pregnant - she will spread FeLV to all cats that mate with her, and the cycle will continue. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty name. Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually shelter no one. Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children if they couldn't be adopted? Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time? Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding. I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you could have more Bengal cat pets. You would eventually have sold the offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats to sell etc.. Please be honest with yourself. You did write in one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house. Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her. So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens. Not a good plan. I understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage. Before they are neutered, male cats stink. I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant. After they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again. You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss. You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who mated with some roaming outside male. One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we don't sell cats that we rescue. By the time we get the cats ready for adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted. Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to $80 per cat. The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier. They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated. You probably didn't know this. Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list. I hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general. I won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kelley, I was thinking the exact same thing. Fairly recently a young lady posted, got very little good advice, but a great deal of criticism and then was never heard from again. The people of this group have so much to offer. It is a shame to scare off those needing good advice! Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him directly. I did suggest breed rescue. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk
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I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him directly. I did suggest breed rescue. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about
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Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
