Hi. I used to be a member of this group when I had positives of my own (I
adopted 6 at one time, years ago, which was quite a rollercoaster). Some of you
may remember me. I now run a Trap-Neuter-Return program in NJ, and also have a
baby and negative cats and an FIV+ cat, so cannot take on FeLV+
Do NOT feed c/d if the other cats are eating it. if a cat with normal ph eats
it they can get the opposite kind of crystals or bladder stone. this happened
in my house. ZUse only s/o which prevents both kinds of crystals.
Michelle
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I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an
upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The
thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my
opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or
the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just
require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1
year and thereafter 3 year.
there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every
year versus every 3 years. it's only if
I'm trying to get it quickly for a cat currently at Red Bank hospital. RBVH is
ordering today but I would like to start it today if anyone has any that I can
pick up and then replace tomorrow..
If you do, please call my cell at 978-407-6322.
Thank you!
Michelle Lerner
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My Lucy has blood in her urine and it is from a bladder stone, diagnosed by
x-ray and ultrasound after antibiotics did not clear it up. She is on food to
try to dissolve it. If that does not work I am told surgery is necessary, which
scares me because she is positive.
MIchelle
Jill, is Gary at home? What is her HCT at now? I am so glad to hear she is
here and eating!
Lucy, who has the bladder stone I wrote about a minute ago, sometimes has a
lot of blood in her urine (bright red) and sometimes only a little (very
slightly tinged pink). It usually seems to do with how
Julie, I can hardly say how sorry I am. I still am not really functioning
since Simon's death, so I know how hard it is. Was Lucky a positive? If so, the
length of time she lived is remarkable. I am glad that one of your last
memories of her is of her purring on your pillow.
Michelle
Jill, do you know what Gary's HCT is? I am so amazed at how well she seems
to be doing!! I really, really wonder what is happening with her, and hope that
it continues.
Michelle
I am just wondering if anyone on the list has used Immuno-regulin, and why
we never talk about it as a potential remedy for anemia that is not diagnosable?
The article on the felineleukemia.org website says it is helpful for that and
for general FeLV-related crashing, and I talked to the vet
if you think the dex might have helped her, she can get that fairly
frequently if she needs it (if she starts to crash again). I have even given it
two days in a row on occasion when it is near the end (as with Simon both times
I thought it was near the end).
Michelle
In a message dated 2
You also might want to read the article on Immuno-Regulin on the
felineleukemia.org website and ask your vet about it.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/14/05 4:11:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, She hasn't had another blood test since
hertransfusion and we d
A vet who is a radiologist but also does herbal stuff recommended to me
today a product called Feline Immune Support available at www.genesisvet.com. She said that she has
seen positives do really well on it. I will probably try it.
Michelle
If she will give you the shots, you can give them subcutaneously at home
without having to stress her by bringing her in. I did that. A lot
of vets do not like to send home drawn injections, though.
Michelle
That is absolutely amazing about gary and I hope to god it continues. I
really wonder what is happening with her, as I lost Simon to a sudden plunge in
HCT, and while he had lymphoma they did not think the anemia directly caused by
it at the end. Maybe if he had withstood the catheterization a
Jill, could you send a list of every treatment Gary has gotten/is getting for
the anemia? I know you did before, but I can not find it and want to save it.
My memory tells me she got a transfusion, a dex shot, and is on Epogen.
Anything else? And her HCT was down to 10, right?
Thanks,
Michelle
Nina, how is Gypsy doing? I have not noticed a post about her for a
while. Michelle
I have really been wishing, now, that Simon was able to get that transfusion
the day before he died. he freaked out and needed to be put in an oxygen tent,
and they said it could kill him to keep trying or sedate him in his
condition. Afterwards I felt horrible that I had even tried. Now I feel
My positive Patches does the same thing and a low daily dose of benadryl
helps her a lot. She still does it some, but not to the point of breaking her
skin, and sometimes her fur actually grows back for a while. It's 1/6 of a 25
mg
pill twice a day. She is hard to pill, and it is stressful for
Steroids can save their life, though, if they are having an auto-immune
response. And it can greatly improve and lengthen quality of life when they
have
lymphoma.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/16/05 11:05:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I really hate the idea of steroids, even if they mak
Hideyo,
I am so sorry that happened. All of us have gotten all our cats spayed
and neutered.
I don't think any of us would have thought, or have ever thought, that a spay
could kill a cat except that if they are FeLV+ it could trigger the virus--
but I think we even all spay our positives a
We have given Benadryl to our dogs for anxiety also, like during
thunderstorms, as well as for allergies.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 5:51:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a
client, (I'm a dog trainer), that uses benadryl for her Lab's
allergies.
I am forwarding this from a Best Friends forum, as it has info and links on
poisonous plants, which has been a thread on this list.
Michelle
--- Begin Message ---
Question from Clarisse:I know
a lot of plants and foods are listed as potentially poisonous. But I have
known animals to ea
Tonya,
Please, please try the Benadryl. My Patches does the
same thing, and it is stress not allergies, and the Benadryl helps and does not
seem to have side effects.
Michelle
Hideyo,
I know why you feel the way you do. But I read
your description of what happened and what you did. I would have done exactly
the same thing as you without any changes. I would have jumped at the
chance to pick them up right after surgery instead of leaving them there all
day, i
Tonya,
I use plug-in and on top of that I spray the spray every
morning. I think it helps to do both.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 7:21:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Barbara,
I just talked with Brenda about refilling my feliway plug ins. I
I am writing to see if anyone has any ideas. I go to the local
shelter, where my positives came from, twice a day to take care of Lamby, a
disabled sheep who lives in the feral cat yard (she is very popular among the
cats and has convinced a number of them to trust us too!). At this
shelte
Patti, thank you so, so much! I had just found the FIV yahoo group and
joined and posted about him. I will post about him on all the other addresses
you sent me too. Thank you!!!
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 9:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My heart
Thanks, Nina, but aren't you in California? I'm in Massachusetts, so
it might be kind of hard to get him to California!
I was at Gay Pride in Boston last summer and a shelter from a town near
Boston actually had a similar idea to yours-- they had a stand set up with
information about FIV
Wow, thanks! If you were to try one of these, which one would you try
first? I have to go find him and pill him twice a day and am already giving him
2 pills each time so do not want to add much more. He also does not have his own
food so can not get stuff in food. Though I guess I could st
Yes, I am very lucky to have found him. Sometimes he seems too good
to be true. Especially since I often seem like a "special needs" partner!
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 9:58:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the
way, your Gray seems like a wonderful huma
Yes, good idea. Of course, Gray just bought him a ton of chicken
food. The odd thing is that he came from a feral colony, so you would
think if he had food allergies they would have acted up then. I don't think he
was getting rabbit or duck! He was actually fine for several months at the
Do you find the cream works better than the tincture? I put the tincture on
the inside of their ears, but I have the cream also (use it on my own
itchy skin in the winter).
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 10:05:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I also use the Rescu
kathy,
I just subscribed to an FIV list serve to try to find Charlie a home, and
the first post I received was someone talking about their cat Legolas! I was
so confused for a second. I had never heard of a cat with that name before.
Just wanted to let you know there is another out there (
Thanks, Julie. There was a ringworm epidemic at the shelter many months
before Charlie got there, so maybe it is that. Though it does not look like
ringworm, but from your post I guess sometimes maybe it doesn't look
stereotypical.
They did a skin scraping to check for mange, but I do not think
Actually, going to visit my mom and my 28 year old horse in NJ. If everyone
is healthy and mobile, that will be enough to please me.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you
go somepl
And I called and left a message at the shelter about the ringworm already.
And am spending so much time getting things ready for the cat sitter (Gray is
away too) that I am never going to even get out of the house!
Michelle
In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Mi
She sounds anemic. Many FeLV cats get anemic. There are different causes, and some of them are treatable. THere is something called hemobartanella that is a blood parasite that is treatable with certain antibiotics (doxicycline?), a condition where they kill their own red blood cells that is treat
Also, there are two newish remedies that apparently save a lot of FeLV cats who are crashing with anemia and other things. One is Immuno-regulin, which any vet should be able to get. There is an article about it on the felineleukemia.org website. The other is Virbagen Omega, also called feline int
I did not catch the turning yellow part. If she is yellow and pale, it sounds like my Simon did. He had lymphoma in his liver and bone marrow. Chemotherapy helped him for 2 months and might have helped for longer but he had a reaction to the cancer where he started killing all his red blood cells a
Look at the artivcle on Immuno-regulin on this group's web site. Also the archived messages on feline interferon. If your cat is killing her own red blood cells she may need steroids for a while to reverse that. I would take her to an internist if you can.
Michelle
Sorry--ignore my message about turning yellow. I got that from Belinda's emal.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/19/2005 11:58:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry I misread your email I thought it said she was getting yellow,
but it say's her gums are getting white, she soun
If she does not eat by tomorrow morning you really should syringe some food into her. If cats go 48 hours without eating, they can develop a condition called fatty liver, or hepatic lipidosis, which can kill them. It is a cat thing, and does not happen to other species, but needs to be avoided at
What is Fulvicin?
I don't know if it can be anything contagious, but if it is flaky skin and fur I would supplement with essential fatty acids (fish oils). There are a bunch of cat supplements with EFA's in them, specifically for coat problems.
Michelle
Actually, Simon would lick sour cream off my fingers when he would not otherwise eat, and so did Kerry's Levi for a few days. You may want to try that.
Michelle
My dog was on that for a while and then we found some commercial diet food
with better ingredients (can't remember the name now, as for the past year
+ she has had cancer and came off the diet food and onto better quality all
meat stuff, and has gained almost 20 pounds on it!). I think there
Actually, Wellness has a "lite" dry food and I think also wet foods. It is
a good brand. My positive Jo got really fat at one point and I switches her to
that. She got lymphoma shortly afterwards, though, so I started feeding her
whatever she wanted at that point. I don't think the food switc
In case anyone submits a request for approval to import VO and wants to
follow up by phone, here is the name and number of the reviewer for special
dispensations (she said there are others as well, but she seems to be the main
one there):
Kenya Craven, 301-827-1168
Michelle
I had been told by a local vet that bone marrow biopsies are painful.
However, the oncologist did one on Simon and from what I could tell there was no
pain. They had to knock him out for a short amount of time to do it, which
is not great, but it was the kind of mild anesthesia where they
I agree that I would not put a cat out for any length of time unless
necessary (they said it was necessary to determine Simon's chemo treatment), but
it is a small needle and they are out and I really do not think it caused any
pain with Simon. I am not saying I would do it for an FeLV test
I agree that I would not put a cat under just for FeLV testing. But as for
the painfulness, are you all saying it is painful during the test or
afterwards?
Simon was out during the test, but I feel like I am in twilight zone if you
are all saying it is very painful afterwards because he really
I agree it's added stress to the body, but it is not a wound. It's a needle
prick. Simon's looked like a scab from a small tick, not like a wound.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/21/05 7:44:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< But still that is added stress onto the body, healing two wounds instea
Sending healing vibes for Ginger. If she stops eating again, I would
take her in and try to get a diagnosis. Have you given her catnip? If
she'll eat it, it's an appetite stimulant that you don't have to force on
them.
Michelle
I am sending energy to try to get Tipper back to you. I don't really
know how to do that, so I am imagining him returning to you. You are in my
thoughts. If it is any consolation, I think that many of us have had cats
disappear for that long and then appear again.
Michelle
Hideyo, your cats have it good!
Michelle
In a message dated 2/22/05 6:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
She eats definitely
still â but she doesnât pig out â like yesterday, she ate about  of a really
thick stakes in two separate meals â where as she would also
Oh, I know, but to tell the truth I never would have thought of cooking a
steak. I'm a vegan and although I have boiled and broiled chicken and liver for
sick cats, steak never occurred to me. Now it will.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/22/05 6:59:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECT
Sent to the old address by accident... here is the message I meant to
send:
--- Begin Message ---
Katherine (I think she is on this list? I am on so many now I can't
remember) in TN has offered to take Charlie, the FIV+ cat at the local shelter
with terrible skin allergies. I am not sure a
No, I don't think so. I do not think FeLV immune suppression means white
blood cell suppression. In fact, when positive cats have infections, their
WBC count is usually high, just like other cats. There are all sorts of
different kinds of immune cells-- B cell, T cells, etc. FeLV suppresse
Oh my god, I am so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/22/05 11:38:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I couldn't sleep tonight so I got a flash light and look again in the
wooded
area behind my house. I found my baby he has been dead for a couple days. His
body was wet from rain we had ove
I am almost positive that the shelter where I volunteer will have someone
who fits the bill, as there are many positives there and it is the only shelter
in the area that cares for positives. Your client already adopted one cat from
the shelter so should have the contact info. I suppose she
Jill, I am so very sorry. I lost Simon in the same way to severe
anemia, and I think a lot of people on the list have. I had so much hope
for Gary when she was feeling better, as I had hope for Simon when he
temporarily rebounded. At least she had an extra week, much of which was
good. I
I have seen it from lymphoma. But I think other things can cause it
too. Including IBD (irritable bowel disease).
Michelle
No, not necessarily. Sometimes it forms in and around the tissues of
organs. It often can only be detected through an ultrasound.
Intestinal lymphoma can cause lack of appetite and also diarrhea.
But it might not be lymphoma at all. A lot of FeLV+ cats have
unexplained bouts of anemia
In my experience anorexia comes before they otherwise act sick, but they do
usually start acting sick after a little while too if they have lymphoma. But
there are fast growing and slow growing lymphomas. Blood work can let you know
how her organs are functioning. If there is a problem with
I can not imagine there is anything else to do other than what you are doing.
If you want a natural treatment, tea tree oil, which you can get in any
health food store, is an anti-fungal and kills ringworm (I myself had a spot of
ringworm last summer and used that to get rid of it and it worked)
Does he vomit a tubular shaped vomit with food still visible, or is it
yellow-like liquid with no visible food, or something in-between? It makes a
difference. If it is the first, it may be hairballs and treatable by giving him
a
little bit of Laxastat every day. My Patches has that. If it is o
You get get Laxastat or laxatone at most pet food stores and most vet
offices. My Patches likes it and licks it out of a bowl like it's a treat. I
give it
to her once a day in the morning. If I run out and don't give it to her for a
few days she starts vomiting again. She is semi-long haired.
If you do the spray bleach, I would think that then leaving it outside for a
few days would be enough so you would not have to rinse it. I think the
harmful stuff in bleach actually evaporates. But I don't use bleach much, so
I'm
not sure.
Michelle
I would do Immunoregulin instead of Interferon. There is no indication that
interferon can help a cat rebound from anemia, while there are some anecdotal
reports that immunoregulin can. Feline interferon is another story, but
has to be imported from England with FDA approval (see archived po
Where are you located? I have some feline interferon (Virbagen Omega from
England, not human interferon) I might be able to share if you want to try
that.
Michelle
steroid side effects are usually only long-term. the only short-term
side effects is that every once in a blue moon a cat gets diabetes from one or
two shots of depomedrol, but usually even that side effect is after months of
use. If there is lymphoma or a hyper-immune reaction, steroids c
I don't know if anyone else has suggested this, as I was not following the
thread closely, but I use a product called Cat Fence-In. It's netting and
brackets that attach to the top of a fence and make it so cats can not climb out
(the netting just in and up at an angle, so if they try to cli
Thanks for asking, Nina. I have not gotten her re-xrayed yet to see
if it has shrunk. She is supposed to be xrayed this week but I have not taken
her in yet and may wait until Monday. She still urinates frequently and has
blood in her urine, but it does seem to me to be less blood the last
I actually lock my cats in at night, because we have fishers and other
creatures in the area. So they only have access to the yard during the
day.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/2/05 10:48:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great
horned owls have been known to kill an
Del, I am so so sorry. Like Simon, Effie has been followed so closely
by this list that I, and I bet others, feel like I knew her. I am very sad
to hear she is gone. She had a long run with the cancer, which is amazing,
but it does not make the end any easier.
Michelle
Thank you for that tip. She has a large bladder stone, no crystals,
and her ph was borderline so they could not tell which kind of stone, struvite
or oxylate. We are trying the food that helps with struvite, as well as
some chinese herbs used to dissolve bladder stones, to see if that work
Yes, it was 6 exactly, so more acidic than papa's but borderline.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/3/05 1:59:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When itâs borderline,
is it like 6? My papa was
somewhere between 6.5 and 7, but was considered to be
alkali.
Actually, many freecycle lists do not require that you offer anything
before posting a request. It varies depending on who is moderating it.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/3/05 4:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
just a
thought. is there a www.freecycle.org listed
I read about a hospice service somewhere on the west coast, but it is like
hospice care for humans-- going to the home to help with pain relief, care, etc.
for terminally ill animals, rather than a place that takes them.
There is an FeLV sanctuary somewhere with a woman who has about 50
po
Sending prayers, Hideyo!
Michelle
I have not read all the emails on this thread, so sorry if someone has
already suggested this, but she should contact Alley Cat Allies in Washington,
D.C. They are a national advocacy group for TNR of feral cats, and they
have resources (written, video, etc.) on trapping and have a network o
What about Nikki's?
Michelle
In a message dated 3/5/2005 12:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 3/4/2005 10:48:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
March 4, 2005
There is a sweet cat at the Pennsauken Animal Hospital that has
tested
Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her bladder stone is
much, much smaller! So the plan is to keep her on the food (S/D) and the meds
(Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and re-xray her in another 30 days.
She
is urinating less frequently and with less blood, so I think
FeLV is worse than FIV, in that most cats infected with it do not live to old
age. Some do, though, and some live to middle age. There are people on this
list who have positives who are 10 and older. But many of them die as kittens
or before age 2. I have lost 3 so far-- at 18 months, 3 years,
I would look into getting feline interferon, i.e. Virbagen Omega, for Thor.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/7/05 11:08:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time
deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed th
Gloria,
Don't feel bad about not having given interferon to those you lost to
lymphoma. I gave interferon to Simon every day and he got lymphoma, whereas I
don't give it to Patches and Ginger (because it stresses them too much) and so
far (knock on wood a thousand times) they have not. So I
Anita,
Try Immuno-regulin if your vet can get it; I think there are
reports it has helped with FeLV-related anemia. There is an article on this
group's web site about it. He will probably need a transfusion if he is to
last long enough to try the Immuno-regulin, though. I would do a tran
To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe is in the
archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They will often eat this
when they won't eat anything else, and it is full of nutrients so even if they
just eat a little they get a lot out of it. Also try sour cre
Nina, my horse Shire had this, and of course it is impossible to deal with
in horses, but I don't think it is in dogs. I am hoping and praying.
Michelle
Dexamethasone, which works quickly, combined with Depomedrol, which works
over time.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/8/05 9:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
a
certain steroid whose name I can't remember
Michelle??
I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the case
studies. Is it different?
I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase PCV
(i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, and
anorexia caused by unexplained effects
Hideyo, I am praying Uh-Oh (love his name!) is negative. If he is positive,
though, you should know that it does not mean lots of your other cats are. Many
cats do not get it, even without vaccination. I think it is easiest for kittens
and cats with compromised immune systems to get it. I of
My horse is almost 29 and has bad leg problems that are age-related. Leg
problems are serious in horses because if they can not stand and walk they can't
live, unlike cats and dogs who can walk on 3 legs if necessary and/or use carts,
be carried, etc.
We have been dealing with a lot here t
Ok, here it is (it's not my recipe-- it has been floating around on these
lists for years):
1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef)
1 cup fresh carrot juice, V-8, or tomato juice
1/4 cup filtered water
1 raw egg yolk
1 tsp kelp or spirulina
Blend in blender until liquid and frothy. Give 10 cc a
1. Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is a single cell green food like algae.
Both are available at health food stores, either in powder or in capsules that
can be opened.
2. The only person I know of on this list who has had a cat recover from
anemia long-term is someone (i can not remember
I have heard, and would believe, that cats' stomach acid is so much
stronger that they do not get salmonella the way that humans do. Which would
make sense, since in the wild they eat meat raw all the time.
I know it is hard to digest liver. I don't know what to say about
that. I have u
My partner Gray says the same thing about me. And it may be killing me, I
am not sure. I know that I am really anxious and miserable each time they are
sick, and Simon's death about did me in. It's hard not to feel like dread
is looming over you. Little windows of time will come when everyt
I think it is for vitamins, to make it nutritionally complete. It may
also add some salt for flavor, if it is kelp.
I would make it and see if he will eat it, as it will still be nutritious
and may still taste good to him. If you can not get the stuff, send me
your address and I will get
Also, if you make it without the kelp/spirulina, I would use V-8 juice
instead of carrot or tomato, because it includes greens in it (the vitamins that
are in kelp/spirulina) and is somewhat salty.
Michelle
I was told to give Lucy 5 mu at a time, which is a whole vial and would
leave nothing over. She is almost 11 pounds. Nina, do you have some left over
because Jazz or Grace weighs under 11 pounds and so gets less than 5 mu at a
time?
Since Lucy appears not to need surgery, I am just holding
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