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Thoughts: Be careful of the windows that open from the top (double-hung). They can come down (unexpectedly) further than you want and the furry crew will love that. (NOoo.I've never had any experience there). Find a way to pin the window so it can come only so far. Cedar chests and tables make wonderful window seats and so do items that extend the sills ( braces with boards attached) so the furry ones can sit peacefully I insisted on sills in this house for the cats but cedar chests and tables work in the other house and supplement here. I suspect I will find a hammock for Dixie sooner or later. Screens, such as came with the windows here, are useless. I could sneeze from 50 ft away and they would fall out (fire safety). I plan on literally nailing them in. I promise, there are more ways out of this house than any I have ever seen. Plus a fire sprinkler system thanks to B B Sprinkler in Louisville. Dixie has had a couple of terrifying (for me) walk abouts on the farm. I am very cautious about any other ones she may have planned. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Elizabeth, Funny-that's what we call it when the cats sit in the window-they're watching TV. I have a copy of Sibley's hanging out in the living room too! We have a bunch of feeders and the cats just love to watch the birdies all day. Our screens will be replaced this summer I think-but our cats really haven't scratched big holes in them-just little tiny marks. But, one of our rescues did get half way out a hole that he worked to enlarge. Our screens are incredibly flimsy. Let us know what you decide with the windows! Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. It's very dangerous for the flies -- this I do know Haha. They love their moths too, Melissa :0) The treasured ancient llama sweater is a favorite 'get stuck' place here...along with curtains and the blankets hanging off the bed. I had a man here at the house yesterday looking over the outside of my house for repairs. I'm replacing ALL the windows in my house. Every one of my screens has holes put there by my dear fur family. I asked him about getting windows that open from the top (or screens that aren't so flimsy I could push a hole in them with my fingernail). He really didn't get it until I started pointing to the evidence ( i.e. -- big shredded holes). I even asked if we could install the windows upside down! (The windows have to be replaced for reasons other than my poor shredded screens...but I want this to be a consideration). He's going to research the options for me and give me an itemized list of options in about a week. I'm still thinking about what Phaewryn said about chicken wire over the windows... I wish I had a big window seat in every window for the babies. I think I have about 12-15 bird feeders of various types and a wonderful variety of birds. I keep a copy of Sibley's handy --- it's cat tv. It gives them hours of entertainment. elizabeth On 6/6/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha Ha! I've never had a cat stuck to the carpet either-but frequently to the screen door. They panic a little when they see me come to rescue them off the screen since they know they're not supposed to be scratching at it anyway! Those flies are so tempting! Even though I have a few scratch marks on our screen door-we've got no flies in the house! (Is it dangerous for the cats to eat the flies?) Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even
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I do really understand. I've been there too many times. Alternative vets are not ACs and many consult by phone. My prayers are with you. Missy sounds like The Royal Princess Kitty Katt. Tell her or no I don't want to talk to you. But she understands that you are concerned about what she wants. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. I tried an AC with Missy. She said she got a lovely warm feeling. She wasn't going to tell me anything, she just went back to see if she could feel the warm feeling again. Missy stamped her little paw and said tell her. I love Missy so much. So scared to lose hr. On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
If you get into the raw diets: Primal runs about $16 for 4 pounds. It comes in little ounce cubes that you thaw and, given how concentrated it is, is as cheap or cheaper than some otc canned foods..FF is about 70 cants a can here (3 ounces). Don't panic yet. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:13 AM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Marylyn, Thank you so much for your suggestions, I really appreciate your kindness. I haven't tried an alternative vet yet, but do know of a good one not too far away. I've got a couple more food trials to do, and then I think we'll see what the holistic vet has to say. I know someone said before that Hill's Z/D did the trick for them. I want to try it, but am afraid of Hill's since the tainted food nightmare. Mine were all on Hill's D/D in February, and I had piles of throw-up everywhere. The D/D was never recalled, but now I don't totally trust Hill's. They did eat the recalled Natural Balance Venison Green Pea in January, with no noticeable ill effect (or improvement in his itching). The itching first started around Christmas, and it's all up on his head, so I don't think it's flea allergies, but maybe. I did just start them back on Revolution (thank you again for the help with that Kelley S. and MC!) so we'll see. These darn food trials just take s long. And I'm afraid the ultimate answer is going to be home-cooking mail-order rabbit or some such for five kitties. Yikes! I'll post if (when! positive thinking) I find something that works. Funny, other than two fevers early on, my FeLv kitty has been the healthiest one of the bunch. Way more worries and vet bills (allergies, broken bone, ear infection, tumorish-looking fat deposit) for the virus-free bunch. Ya never know... Thank you again for your help, Beth On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Do you know if the raw diets can be cooked, or does that destroy the vitamins and taurine and stuff? Or does it make the ground up bone chips too brittle and dangerous? I have a link from someone for mail-order supplements that can be added to home-cooked meals, may go that route... Thank you, Beth On 6/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get into the raw diets: Primal runs about $16 for 4 pounds. It comes in little ounce cubes that you thaw and, given how concentrated it is, is as cheap or cheaper than some otc canned foods..FF is about 70 cants a can here (3 ounces). Don't panic yet. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2007 12:13 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Marylyn, Thank you so much for your suggestions, I really appreciate your kindness. I haven't tried an alternative vet yet, but do know of a good one not too far away. I've got a couple more food trials to do, and then I think we'll see what the holistic vet has to say. I know someone said before that Hill's Z/D did the trick for them. I want to try it, but am afraid of Hill's since the tainted food nightmare. Mine were all on Hill's D/D in February, and I had piles of throw-up everywhere. The D/D was never recalled, but now I don't totally trust Hill's. They did eat the recalled Natural Balance Venison Green Pea in January, with no noticeable ill effect (or improvement in his itching). The itching first started around Christmas, and it's all up on his head, so I don't think it's flea allergies, but maybe. I did just start them back on Revolution (thank you again for the help with that Kelley S. and MC!) so we'll see. These darn food trials just take s long. And I'm afraid the ultimate answer is going to be home-cooking mail-order rabbit or some such for five kitties. Yikes! I'll post if (when! positive thinking) I find something that works. Funny, other than two fevers early on, my FeLv kitty has been the healthiest one of the bunch. Way more worries and vet bills (allergies, broken bone, ear infection, tumorish-looking fat deposit) for the virus-free bunch. Ya never know... Thank you again for your help, Beth On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night
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Hi Beth, I cook for Fred and I debone all my meat. I've always been told cooked bones, especially chicken is dangerous for cats to eat. I make all my food from scratch so don't know anything about what happens when you cook pre-packaged raw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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The home cooked meals may be your answer. The Primal is so ground up I haven't found a bone...just very dense cubes. Google Primal and other raw (BARF) sites. Dixie just happens to like this one big time. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Do you know if the raw diets can be cooked, or does that destroy the vitamins and taurine and stuff? Or does it make the ground up bone chips too brittle and dangerous? I have a link from someone for mail-order supplements that can be added to home-cooked meals, may go that route... Thank you, Beth On 6/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get into the raw diets: Primal runs about $16 for 4 pounds. It comes in little ounce cubes that you thaw and, given how concentrated it is, is as cheap or cheaper than some otc canned foods..FF is about 70 cants a can here (3 ounces). Don't panic yet. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:13 AM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Marylyn, Thank you so much for your suggestions, I really appreciate your kindness. I haven't tried an alternative vet yet, but do know of a good one not too far away. I've got a couple more food trials to do, and then I think we'll see what the holistic vet has to say. I know someone said before that Hill's Z/D did the trick for them. I want to try it, but am afraid of Hill's since the tainted food nightmare. Mine were all on Hill's D/D in February, and I had piles of throw-up everywhere. The D/D was never recalled, but now I don't totally trust Hill's. They did eat the recalled Natural Balance Venison Green Pea in January, with no noticeable ill effect (or improvement in his itching). The itching first started around Christmas, and it's all up on his head, so I don't think it's flea allergies, but maybe. I did just start them back on Revolution (thank you again for the help with that Kelley S. and MC!) so we'll see. These darn food trials just take s long. And I'm afraid the ultimate answer is going to be home-cooking mail-order rabbit or some such for five kitties. Yikes! I'll post if (when! positive thinking) I find something that works. Funny, other than two fevers early on, my FeLv kitty has been the healthiest one of the bunch. Way more worries and vet bills (allergies, broken bone, ear infection, tumorish-looking fat deposit) for the virus-free bunch. Ya never know... Thank you again for your help, Beth On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk
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I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 6/8/2007 3:15 PM
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At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http
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There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad Kelly L wrote: At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve
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And older cats are perfect for those people getting up in years who are concerned about who will care for their little friends when they are no longer able to do so. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad Kelly L wrote: At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red
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Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. Nathan Winograd says a cat would *beg* you to declaw him as an alternative to killing him. I tend to agree. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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At 09:05 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I agree if you are already looking for a cat, but when senior already has a cat they love and loves them and a serious health problem develops it may be the choice between death and declaw Kelly There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad Kelly L wrote: At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem
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Hi Phaewryn, I know that we will probably have to agree to disagree on this, but if I take your opinion to it's logical conclusion, then all declawed cats that end up in a shelter should automatically be euthanized to end their suffering? Like you, I am not a knee-jerk no-kill ever person. Like you,I believe that it comes down to quality of life. I just don't think that a declaw tips the scale so far into poor life quality that euthanasia is required. Weighing a life of being collared, open head wounds, and increased risk of infection against a declaw, the scale tips for me in favor of the declaw, (once we have exhausted all other medical and food options). Although we disagree, I still respect your opinion. In my life away from the Internet, I have yet to meet ANYONE, friends family or acquaintances, that understands our decision not to declaw our five. I hope to lead by example, without preaching, and at least show them that full claws can be an option. And I try to understand when they feel that it is not workable for them (admittedly hard to do with the save-the-couch crowd), and at least find joy in the life that was saved. Respectfully, Beth On 6/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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`I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me.
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Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me.
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Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me.
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I tried an AC with Missy. She said she got a lovely warm feeling. She wasn't going to tell me anything, she just went back to see if she could feel the warm feeling again. Missy stamped her little paw and said tell her. I love Missy so much. So scared to lose hr. On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Hi Marylyn, Thank you so much for your suggestions, I really appreciate your kindness. I haven't tried an alternative vet yet, but do know of a good one not too far away. I've got a couple more food trials to do, and then I think we'll see what the holistic vet has to say. I know someone said before that Hill's Z/D did the trick for them. I want to try it, but am afraid of Hill's since the tainted food nightmare. Mine were all on Hill's D/D in February, and I had piles of throw-up everywhere. The D/D was never recalled, but now I don't totally trust Hill's. They did eat the recalled Natural Balance Venison Green Pea in January, with no noticeable ill effect (or improvement in his itching). The itching first started around Christmas, and it's all up on his head, so I don't think it's flea allergies, but maybe. I did just start them back on Revolution (thank you again for the help with that Kelley S. and MC!) so we'll see. These darn food trials just take s long. And I'm afraid the ultimate answer is going to be home-cooking mail-order rabbit or some such for five kitties. Yikes! I'll post if (when! positive thinking) I find something that works. Funny, other than two fevers early on, my FeLv kitty has been the healthiest one of the bunch. Way more worries and vet bills (allergies, broken bone, ear infection, tumorish-looking fat deposit) for the virus-free bunch. Ya never know... Thank you again for your help, Beth On 6/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet? Or AC's? You would be surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts. There are volunteer groups (they tell me) on the internet. Dixie has been able to tell me that she was spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long story) etc. I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried but I know of two avs that are great. For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend. That may help and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hi Tad, I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for those that must have a declawed cat. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck suggesting this to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) as they all seem to want itty-bitty kittens. In my case, I WANT the claws, I am just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open... Beth On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece... Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed cat from a shelter already declawed... Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats. So this statistic makes sense to me.
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I'm on a never-ending revolving medicated shampoo experiment, if I find one that truly helps for more than a day or two, I will post it to the group. The best results so far are with one called Epi-Soothe, by Virbac, he seems MUCH better for about 2-3 days when I shampoo him with it (letting it sit on his body for 3 minutes before rinsing). On a funny side note.. I use leftovers (and things that were duds for Mythic's issues) on myself, and I have found that one called Relief, by DVM made MY itchy scalp feel great, and my hair looked great too, LOL. My head actually felt lighter after using it, I have no idea why, but it's amazing. It's like my head could breathe, and before all my hair or head oils, or something, were built up and blocking the air flow. LOL, yeah, I'm totally nuts. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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I found some WONDERFUL upholstery cleaner stuff, in the CAR section, no less! Gets stains out of anything I've tried so far, it's amazing stuff. It's by TurtleWax, and it's a big red and yellow aerosol can with a bristle plastic cap on it. It's called Power Out! Professional strength upholstery cleaner (with odor eliminating Odor-X). You spray it on, and it's a thick FOAM, let it sit for about a minute, then rub it in with a clean cloth. Continue to spray a dab more and rub with a clean cloth (use clean areas of the cloth, or a new one every few wipes), and it will erase the stain. The only problem I've found is that the clean area is noticeable because it's SO MUCH cleaner than the parts I didn't clean. This stuff made my 1994 model car's upholstery look LIKE NEW (and it completely eliminated the spilt sardine juice odor). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Consider taking him to an alternative vet. You would be surprised what wonderful things they can do. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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It sounds like Phelix and Mythic might have inhalant or contact allergies and that the allergy tests might be worthwhile for them. Unfortunately, my vet and I are fairly certain that Scooter's problem IS a food allergy, which means food trials are the recommended method of diagnoses and treatment. Nothing that I can put on him topically is going to ease that facial itching that is coming from inside. Steroids do nothing (which is also an indication of food allergy). The good news is, he is NOT so uncomfortable that I would even begin to consider euthanasia. We have him on CalNat right now and it seems to lessen the scratching a good deal, (we have the left side of his head completely healed). But when I take off the collar it takes him less than a minute to kick the right side of his head open. He still plays, wrestles the other kitties, runs around and cuddles wearing the collar. But I know he would prefer life without it, as he hides if he sees me coming back with it after I've taken it off. I am pretty passionate about not declawing cats as well, ours all have their claws. I have many more possible food trials and alternative treatments to try before I get desperate enough for declawing. But if it comes down to it, I will consult with my vet about the possibility of a rear-declaw. I would never make my cat drink the poison Kool-Aid just because it couldn't live up to my never declaw ideal. Beth On 6/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 6/8/2007 3:15 PM
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Elizabeth, Funny-that's what we call it when the cats sit in the window-they're watching TV. I have a copy of Sibley's hanging out in the living room too! We have a bunch of feeders and the cats just love to watch the birdies all day. Our screens will be replaced this summer I think-but our cats really haven't scratched big holes in them-just little tiny marks. But, one of our rescues did get half way out a hole that he worked to enlarge. Our screens are incredibly flimsy. Let us know what you decide with the windows! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. It's very dangerous for the flies -- this I do know Haha. They love their moths too, Melissa :0) The treasured ancient llama sweater is a favorite 'get stuck' place here...along with curtains and the blankets hanging off the bed. I had a man here at the house yesterday looking over the outside of my house for repairs. I'm replacing ALL the windows in my house. Every one of my screens has holes put there by my dear fur family. I asked him about getting windows that open from the top (or screens that aren't so flimsy I could push a hole in them with my fingernail). He really didn't get it until I started pointing to the evidence ( i.e. -- big shredded holes). I even asked if we could install the windows upside down! (The windows have to be replaced for reasons other than my poor shredded screens...but I want this to be a consideration). He's going to research the options for me and give me an itemized list of options in about a week. I'm still thinking about what Phaewryn said about chicken wire over the windows... I wish I had a big window seat in every window for the babies. I think I have about 12-15 bird feeders of various types and a wonderful variety of birds. I keep a copy of Sibley's handy --- it's cat tv. It gives them hours of entertainment. elizabeth On 6/6/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha Ha! I've never had a cat stuck to the carpet either-but frequently to the screen door. They panic a little when they see me come to rescue them off the screen since they know they're not supposed to be scratching at it anyway! Those flies are so tempting! Even though I have a few scratch marks on our screen door-we've got no flies in the house! (Is it dangerous for the cats to eat the flies?) Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets-right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent-I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture-but really-both sides of the lounge?! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't (at least when I'm here LOL) elizabeth On 6/6/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Oh, been there! For some insane reason we chose a light-colored carpet, and at the moment there's a large, several-days-old, 409'ed-but-needs-further-work reddish splotch in the middle of the living room floor where Luc hacked up a tummyful of solid food with more than the usual amount of liquid. Got it almost right away, but that liquid really soaked in. I would so love to rip out that carpet and put in Pergo-ish laminate, but my housemate is unconvinced that it's as easy to install as like 4,000 people say it is, plus it's a 25x14 space so it would be a big investment aside from moving all that furniture. Luckily it's a cheap carpet so I don't get frantic when there's a new stain but hey, we're already on the raw edge of white trashhood to begin with without big stains all over. ;-) It would be so nice if cat food companies would lay off the damn red dye (maybe they can work on that after they get rid of the plastic and the acetaminophen!!) One of my friends could only buy certain varieties of cat food because her baby has a sensitive stomach and yacks on a daily basis, and the red dye just wouldn't come out of the light carpet in her rental unit. It's a good thing Spike likes chicken flavor (I am happy to report that in a few weeks Spike will be living in a house with hardwood floors.) Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets-right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent-I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture-but really-both sides of the lounge?! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't (at least when I'm here LOL) elizabeth On 6/6/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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That red dye may be causing the problem. Some of it is made from shellfish and other things the cat (and a lot of people) have trouble with. I don't know about laminate and cat claws. Do yourself a favor and get a piece for the cats to run on for a while. I have pine floors with a shellac finish. Dixie has scratched the devil out of them running and making turns. This is an ok thing. I am grateful just for the privilege of watching her. I suspect I will break down and put a polyurethane finish on them one day...or maybe not. I have Bruce floors in another house and the critters don't seem to have caused any damage to them. Just to clarify: She has not shredded the floors. There are just little claw marks all over the joingt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Oh, been there! For some insane reason we chose a light-colored carpet, and at the moment there's a large, several-days-old, 409'ed-but-needs-further-work reddish splotch in the middle of the living room floor where Luc hacked up a tummyful of solid food with more than the usual amount of liquid. Got it almost right away, but that liquid really soaked in. I would so love to rip out that carpet and put in Pergo-ish laminate, but my housemate is unconvinced that it's as easy to install as like 4,000 people say it is, plus it's a 25x14 space so it would be a big investment aside from moving all that furniture. Luckily it's a cheap carpet so I don't get frantic when there's a new stain but hey, we're already on the raw edge of white trashhood to begin with without big stains all over. ;-) It would be so nice if cat food companies would lay off the damn red dye (maybe they can work on that after they get rid of the plastic and the acetaminophen!!) One of my friends could only buy certain varieties of cat food because her baby has a sensitive stomach and yacks on a daily basis, and the red dye just wouldn't come out of the light carpet in her rental unit. It's a good thing Spike likes chicken flavor (I am happy to report that in a few weeks Spike will be living in a house with hardwood floors.) Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets-right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent-I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture-but really-both sides of the lounge?! Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't (at least when I'm here LOL) elizabeth On 6/6/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical
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Hi, I have laminate (Armstrong) and so far, so good, no scratches from the cats. MIne is called Easylock, not sure if they still make it, but it was very easy to install (easier than the Pergo I put in for my sister a few years ago.) :o) Beth On 6/7/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That red dye may be causing the problem. Some of it is made from shellfish and other things the cat (and a lot of people) have trouble with. I don't know about laminate and cat claws. Do yourself a favor and get a piece for the cats to run on for a while. I have pine floors with a shellac finish. Dixie has scratched the devil out of them running and making turns. This is an ok thing. I am grateful just for the privilege of watching her. I suspect I will break down and put a polyurethane finish on them one day...or maybe not. I have Bruce floors in another house and the critters don't seem to have caused any damage to them. Just to clarify: She has not shredded the floors. There are just little claw marks all over the joingt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:22 AM *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Oh, been there! For some insane reason we chose a light-colored carpet, and at the moment there's a large, several-days-old, 409'ed-but-needs-further-work reddish splotch in the middle of the living room floor where Luc hacked up a tummyful of solid food with more than the usual amount of liquid. Got it almost right away, but that liquid really soaked in. I would so love to rip out that carpet and put in Pergo-ish laminate, but my housemate is unconvinced that it's as easy to install as like 4,000 people say it is, plus it's a 25x14 space so it would be a big investment aside from moving all that furniture. Luckily it's a cheap carpet so I don't get frantic when there's a new stain but hey, we're already on the raw edge of white trashhood to begin with without big stains all over. ;-) It would be so nice if cat food companies would lay off the damn red dye (maybe they can work on that after they get rid of the plastic and the acetaminophen!!) One of my friends could only buy certain varieties of cat food because her baby has a sensitive stomach and yacks on a daily basis, and the red dye just wouldn't come out of the light carpet in her rental unit. It's a good thing Spike likes chicken flavor (I am happy to report that in a few weeks Spike will be living in a house with hardwood floors.) Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Melissa Lind *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:52 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets—right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent—I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture—but really—both sides of the lounge?! Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:12 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't (at least when I'm here LOL) elizabeth On 6/6/07, *MaryChristine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get
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That's good info, Beth. After I get the outside of this house looking like someone actually lives here - I'm going to start on the inside. All the floors are coming up. It's good to know about products that are cat-friendly. elizabeth On 6/7/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have laminate (Armstrong) and so far, so good, no scratches from the cats. MIne is called Easylock, not sure if they still make it, but it was very easy to install (easier than the Pergo I put in for my sister a few years ago.) :o) Beth On 6/7/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That red dye may be causing the problem. Some of it is made from shellfish and other things the cat (and a lot of people) have trouble with. I don't know about laminate and cat claws. Do yourself a favor and get a piece for the cats to run on for a while. I have pine floors with a shellac finish. Dixie has scratched the devil out of them running and making turns. This is an ok thing. I am grateful just for the privilege of watching her. I suspect I will break down and put a polyurethane finish on them one day...or maybe not. I have Bruce floors in another house and the critters don't seem to have caused any damage to them. Just to clarify: She has not shredded the floors. There are just little claw marks all over the joingt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:22 AM *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Oh, been there! For some insane reason we chose a light-colored carpet, and at the moment there's a large, several-days-old, 409'ed-but-needs-further-work reddish splotch in the middle of the living room floor where Luc hacked up a tummyful of solid food with more than the usual amount of liquid. Got it almost right away, but that liquid really soaked in. I would so love to rip out that carpet and put in Pergo-ish laminate, but my housemate is unconvinced that it's as easy to install as like 4,000 people say it is, plus it's a 25x14 space so it would be a big investment aside from moving all that furniture. Luckily it's a cheap carpet so I don't get frantic when there's a new stain but hey, we're already on the raw edge of white trashhood to begin with without big stains all over. ;-) It would be so nice if cat food companies would lay off the damn red dye (maybe they can work on that after they get rid of the plastic and the acetaminophen!!) One of my friends could only buy certain varieties of cat food because her baby has a sensitive stomach and yacks on a daily basis, and the red dye just wouldn't come out of the light carpet in her rental unit. It's a good thing Spike likes chicken flavor (I am happy to report that in a few weeks Spike will be living in a house with hardwood floors.) Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Melissa Lind *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:52 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets—right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent—I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture—but really—both sides of the lounge?! Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:12 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't
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The outside of my house is my current project, I just ripped down gutters and started replacing fascia boards, then hubby and I are going to reshingle. I would love to do new siding and windows while we're at it, but that's not happening this year. Gotta save something for all those one-year check-ups in July! Beth On 6/7/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's good info, Beth. After I get the outside of this house looking like someone actually lives here - I'm going to start on the inside. All the floors are coming up. It's good to know about products that are cat-friendly. elizabeth On 6/7/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have laminate (Armstrong) and so far, so good, no scratches from the cats. MIne is called Easylock, not sure if they still make it, but it was very easy to install (easier than the Pergo I put in for my sister a few years ago.) :o) Beth On 6/7/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That red dye may be causing the problem. Some of it is made from shellfish and other things the cat (and a lot of people) have trouble with. I don't know about laminate and cat claws. Do yourself a favor and get a piece for the cats to run on for a while. I have pine floors with a shellac finish. Dixie has scratched the devil out of them running and making turns. This is an ok thing. I am grateful just for the privilege of watching her. I suspect I will break down and put a polyurethane finish on them one day...or maybe not. I have Bruce floors in another house and the critters don't seem to have caused any damage to them. Just to clarify: She has not shredded the floors. There are just little claw marks all over the joingt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:22 AM *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Oh, been there! For some insane reason we chose a light-colored carpet, and at the moment there's a large, several-days-old, 409'ed-but-needs-further-work reddish splotch in the middle of the living room floor where Luc hacked up a tummyful of solid food with more than the usual amount of liquid. Got it almost right away, but that liquid really soaked in. I would so love to rip out that carpet and put in Pergo-ish laminate, but my housemate is unconvinced that it's as easy to install as like 4,000 people say it is, plus it's a 25x14 space so it would be a big investment aside from moving all that furniture. Luckily it's a cheap carpet so I don't get frantic when there's a new stain but hey, we're already on the raw edge of white trashhood to begin with without big stains all over. ;-) It would be so nice if cat food companies would lay off the damn red dye (maybe they can work on that after they get rid of the plastic and the acetaminophen!!) One of my friends could only buy certain varieties of cat food because her baby has a sensitive stomach and yacks on a daily basis, and the red dye just wouldn't come out of the light carpet in her rental unit. It's a good thing Spike likes chicken flavor (I am happy to report that in a few weeks Spike will be living in a house with hardwood floors.) Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Melissa Lind *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:52 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Yes, but I wish they would also learn where to puke and where not to. I flipped the cushion over on the lounge yesterday after an unsuccessful attempt to remove the vomit stain. I hope I didn't make it worse. Then this morning, out of all the places in the house to vomit, Ashley chooses the clean side of the lounge. Ack! How frustrating. I had left a message with our carpet guy yesterday, but he didn't return my call. This morning I left another message telling him that it has elevated to a crisis! For Pete's sake, we haven't even paid for the furniture yet, and I certainly don't want to re-upholster it already! I hope that he can get the stains out since they are in places that can't be covered up by cushions or blankets—right in the middle of course! G! What a day! Thanks for letting me vent—I know it's not a big deal; we've always said our kitties are more important than our furniture—but really—both sides of the lounge
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Ha Ha! I've never had a cat stuck to the carpet either-but frequently to the screen door. They panic a little when they see me come to rescue them off the screen since they know they're not supposed to be scratching at it anyway! Those flies are so tempting! Even though I have a few scratch marks on our screen door-we've got no flies in the house! (Is it dangerous for the cats to eat the flies?) Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Actually I have never had to trim claws either, my guys are pretty good about using there cardboard scratchy posts, or the wood steps outside. No in grown nails here :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thank you so much. We are both much better. Phelix's eye looks 110% better and he's not scratching himself like crazy. The vet says it's his allergies -- I need to be better about applying his transdermal compounded benedryl. We have a severe drought here in the south and the air quality is just terrible. We need a good soaking rain to wash all the allergens out of the air for me and Mr. Phelix. elizabeth On 6/5/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you are both feeling better. I usually don't remember to clip claws around here until someone scratches me (accidentally) or get's stuck scratching the sofa! t *elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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He's a happy boy right now :0) I picked up a nice pair of toe nail clippers for the kids today. Getting them to be still with no one to help is going to be an adventure for all of us! elizabeth On 6/5/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OH, POOR PHELIX! And poor you! It's awful to feel guilty so don't do that! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:03 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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We have a bit of sibling rivalry here and it can get out of hand from time to time. Always scares me when the boys play rough. I hope Bandit is doing better, Melissa. Please give him a kiss for me. elizabeth On 6/5/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, What a cute story about the lavender! I'm glad you included this information—I'm so bad at trying to clip their claws, and I really need to—poor Bandit (our 10 yr. old) got swiped the other day and it drew a little blood by his nose—poor guy—he never wants to really fight hard, just wrestle around a little, but the little fur kids sometimes don't understand. Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2007 10:03 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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Cassandra, I've been bad about keeping up with the list lately but I know you've had a lot going on lately. My heart is with you even though I've been bad about replies. I hope these new clippers will do the trick. If I get in a pinch, I know my neighbor will help me. Love and hugs to you and your babies. elizabeth On 6/5/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope Phelix is doing well. I find that dew claw the worst to cut, its hard to get ahold of, and difficult to get the right angle on it with the clippers. I find having my husband hold the cats at chest level while I clip is the easiest. I usually only remember to trim their nails when they start getting stuck to the carpet as they walk across it. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2007 10:03 PM *Subject:* OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
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Still have the scented laundry, eh? It just blows me away - how creative these guys can be. I just wish I knew something to tell you that would help! It's so hard to get mad at a cat for being a cat too. Almost makes me think it might pay to flip the circuit breaker to the dryer and take off the back and clean off what parts you could get tooor better yet...get a handy friend to do it. I think of all those holes in the drum...places for sneaky pee pee. Just hard to get to. And yes -- before Phelix's incident...I was in bed...hardly felt that I could get up because I'd been up all night the night before fighting for a good breath with this asthma...probably should have gone to ER. I opened my eyes laying there in bed - and saw Phelix's eye and I might as well have levitated out of that bed! That shot of adrenalin restored any breathing trouble I might have been having! LOL My whole world revolves around those babies -- I think I was still wearing half of my pajamas when we showed up at the vet's. He's much, much better -- and I'm eating prednisone like breath mints so I'm bouncing off the walls and getting a ton of work done. Everybody just got a freeze dried shrimp snack so it's happyville over here. elizabeth On 6/5/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I hope you are feeling better today. Isn't it amazing that no matter how bad we feel, we can gather the energy from somewhere when our loved ones need us? I'm glad to hear that Phelix is okay and that it was just a nasty scare. It's so sweet the way the two of you are taking care of each other. Speaking as someone with a urine entrenched dryer situation, I have to say that the scent-association of lavender sounds a hell of a lot more pleasant! Hugs sweetie, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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I can relate, Phaewryn. Never thought of the soft paws as a solution -- not a bad idea. I worry so about those sores -- Phelix has such a bald tummy and doesn't miss the inside of his back legs either. I just want him to be comfortablebut I worry when he starts chewing. He's rubbed a few places raw. I know he truly itches a lot -- and I've tried so many things...but I do wonder if there isn't a compulsive component to the behavior. Habits are so hard to break. Still...I'm so afraid that any drug that would modify a compulsive behavior might have an effect on his purrrfect personality. I need to do a better job of staying on top of things to keep him as symptom-free as possible. elizabeth On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fairly typical antibiotic/steroid eye ointment. Sounds logical to me. I have an itchy boy here too, he digs bleeding sores all over his body. It's not bad yet this year, we are hoping it wont flare up as more plants begin to bloom in summer. I'm considering soft paws for his back paws, so he can't do so much self-damage this year if it does flare up. The problem is that he is very independent, and I will probably have to take him to the vet to get them installed as he's not the cat to try to mess with if it's not his idea to be messed with (and I have the scars to prove it). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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It's very dangerous for the flies -- this I do know Haha. They love their moths too, Melissa :0) The treasured ancient llama sweater is a favorite 'get stuck' place here...along with curtains and the blankets hanging off the bed. I had a man here at the house yesterday looking over the outside of my house for repairs. I'm replacing ALL the windows in my house. Every one of my screens has holes put there by my dear fur family. I asked him about getting windows that open from the top (or screens that aren't so flimsy I could push a hole in them with my fingernail). He really didn't get it until I started pointing to the evidence (i.e. -- big shredded holes). I even asked if we could install the windows upside down! (The windows have to be replaced for reasons other than my poor shredded screens...but I want this to be a consideration). He's going to research the options for me and give me an itemized list of options in about a week. I'm still thinking about what Phaewryn said about chicken wire over the windows... I wish I had a big window seat in every window for the babies. I think I have about 12-15 bird feeders of various types and a wonderful variety of birds. I keep a copy of Sibley's handy --- it's cat tv. It gives them hours of entertainment. elizabeth On 6/6/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha Ha! I've never had a cat stuck to the carpet either—but frequently to the screen door. They panic a little when they see me come to rescue them off the screen since they know they're not supposed to be scratching at it anyway! Those flies are so tempting! Even though I have a few scratch marks on our screen door—we've got no flies in the house! (Is it dangerous for the cats to eat the flies?) Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:31 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Hey MC...I may be morally opposed after I try it once ;0) Pass the bandaids... Half of my furniture is cat furniture. The wonderful thing is they seem to know where it's ok to sharpen and where it isn't (at least when I'm here LOL) elizabeth On 6/6/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Poor Scooter :-/ It's so frustrating when they itch like that -- you just want them to be comfortable. We've tried everything trying to figure out the cause of Phelix's allergies - to no avail. Thank you for the kind wishes, Beth. Happy, peaceful, itch-free days to you guys. Please give Scooter a kiss from me. elizabeth On 6/6/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, haven't been on list much lately but I wanted to chime in about the soft paws. I have an itchy boy here, (Scooter, food allergies) and I still have to e-collar him even with the soft-paws on his back feet. If I take the collar off he kicks his head right open. Also, he likes to chew the caps off. I am so against declawing, but might be desperate enough to have a rear-declaw done on him someday if I can't figure out what's making him itch... Elizabeth, I'm glad that Phelix's eye is going to be ok, and I hope the Benadryl will help him again. And I hope you get some rain to ease your breathing too (although the burst of energy from the pred sounds nice!) Take care, Beth On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fairly typical antibiotic/steroid eye ointment. Sounds logical to me. I have an itchy boy here too, he digs bleeding sores all over his body. It's not bad yet this year, we are hoping it wont flare up as more plants begin to bloom in summer. I'm considering soft paws for his back paws, so he can't do so much self-damage this year if it does flare up. The problem is that he is very independent, and I will probably have to take him to the vet to get them installed as he's not the cat to try to mess with if it's not his idea to be messed with (and I have the scars to prove it). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Yeah, no kidding. I always have scratches somewhere. I'm always using Neosporin on some part of my bod! Especially as the triplets are still growing and getting new ideas about what they can (as much as possible) and cannot do (we can't?). Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:57 AM, MaryChristine wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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OH, POOR PHELIX! And poor you! It's awful to feel guilty so don't do that! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:03 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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I hope you are both feeling better. I usually don't remember to clip claws around here until someone scratches me (accidentally) or get's stuck scratching the sofa! t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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Elizabeth, What a cute story about the lavender! I'm glad you included this information-I'm so bad at trying to clip their claws, and I really need to-poor Bandit (our 10 yr. old) got swiped the other day and it drew a little blood by his nose-poor guy-he never wants to really fight hard, just wrestle around a little, but the little fur kids sometimes don't understand. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
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Hope Phelix is doing well. I find that dew claw the worst to cut, its hard to get ahold of, and difficult to get the right angle on it with the clippers. I find having my husband hold the cats at chest level while I clip is the easiest. I usually only remember to trim their nails when they start getting stuck to the carpet as they walk across it. Cassandra - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Elizabeth, I hope you are feeling better today. Isn't it amazing that no matter how bad we feel, we can gather the energy from somewhere when our loved ones need us? I'm glad to hear that Phelix is okay and that it was just a nasty scare. It's so sweet the way the two of you are taking care of each other. Speaking as someone with a urine entrenched dryer situation, I have to say that the scent-association of lavender sounds a hell of a lot more pleasant! Hugs sweetie, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
That's a fairly typical antibiotic/steroid eye ointment. Sounds logical to me. I have an itchy boy here too, he digs bleeding sores all over his body. It's not bad yet this year, we are hoping it wont flare up as more plants begin to bloom in summer. I'm considering soft paws for his back paws, so he can't do so much self-damage this year if it does flare up. The problem is that he is very independent, and I will probably have to take him to the vet to get them installed as he's not the cat to try to mess with if it's not his idea to be messed with (and I have the scars to prove it). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
ok - here's the medicine (read the insert): Vetropolycin HC (bacitracin-neomycin-polymyxin with hydrocortisone acetate 1% veterinary ophthalmic ointment -- sterile --- antibacterial) apply 1/4 inch strip under the eyelid 2-3 times daily. On 6/4/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
