Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV...update...
Jason, With leukemia, you want to keep an eye on the haematology levels. If the red cell count/haemoglobin/haematocrit levels remain okay, then staying on whatever you are currently using is okay. But keep a close watch. If those levels start to dip, or the reticulocyte levels go way down, then you should consider the Winstrol. Prednisone/Depomedrol on their own will not reverse those downward trends in blood cells – at least that was my experience. I found that the prednisone assisted with the Winstrol, but didn’t do anything to pull up those blood results when they were way down. If your cat is responding well to the current therapy, then it makes sense to stick with it, but I would also ensure that haematology panels are also run, so that you can change his medication BEFORE the symptoms show of up a significant drop in red cells, white cells, platelets and/or reticulocytes. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON VOGT Sent: January 26, 2022 3:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV...update... Hello everyone, This morning I took Kitty to my Veterinarian because he was not eating and looked like panting breathing beginning to start again, too. Exactly one month ago, my Veterinarian gave him IV fluids and a shot of Convenia (the injectable antibiotic). He did very well for the last 30 days. Eating, drinking, playing, sleeping - he seemed like his old self again. I am happy about that. I think twice this week though, in the morning just when I got out of bed, I heard him moaning in pain. I just know figured out that was the noise he was making (a moaning sound because he was in pain). I noticed a small sore on his nose also. The Veterinarian talked to me about prednisone. She gave him more SubQ (IV) fluids, another shot of Convenia, and Depomedrol 20mg (20cc shot I think). He weighs around 10.5 pounds. I just did some internet research on Depomedrol and it seems just about the same as Prednisone (possibly a different form of it). It said it is an anti inflamatory and also a drug for leukemia, cancer, arthritis, etc. He is home now. He ate some kibble when he got home and is taking a nap now. Comments and suggestions welcome again, Thank you very much, Jason ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Little Maynard-update plus Lactoferrin questions-please help
Maynard is doing a lot better. We switched him back to Baytril which he gets orally now and everything is ok, no seizures and his overall condition started to improve-he is still coughing a bit and occasionally sneezes, but his apetite is enormous, his eyes cleared out and he wants to play now!:) His control checkup is tomorrow. I give him Impromune (colostrum nucleotides plus shiitake extract especially designed for cats and dogs), but will later switch him to Lactoferrin. Do you have experience with Lactoferrin and FeLV kitties and what kind? I see everyone recommends a dose of 40mg per kg and that usually people give a dose of 125 mg 2 times a day (for bigger kitties). Maynard is a bit over 1.5 kg. That dose would then be 60 mg a day. Divided in two doses, 30 mg in the morning and 30 mg in the evening? Any insight on Lactoferrin and FeLV cats is much appreciated, and especially an impact on bloodwork,WBC, RBC, virus load and so on (as I have found studies on FIV but not FelV cats). Thank you all! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
Happy Tails! Thank you for the up date Sandy - Original Message - From: "Pam Doore" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:23:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky Great news!! ~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Ardy Robertson < ar...@centurytel.net > wrote: Hi – just to update everyone, little “Lucky” that was tossed out of the car and hit the windshield of my granddaughter’s friend, Rachel, seems to have fully recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel’s rescues, a black lab dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the two of them looking into each other’s face with the dog on the couch and Lucky up on the back of the couch. They seemed very happy…….. I love a happy ending J Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
Great news!! ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi – just to update everyone, little “Lucky” that was tossed out of the > car and hit the windshield of my granddaughter’s friend, Rachel, seems to > have fully recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel’s > rescues, a black lab dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the > two of them looking into each other’s face with the dog on the couch and > Lucky up on the back of the couch. They seemed very happy…….. I love a > happy ending J > > Ardy > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
GREAT NEWS! NICE TO HEAR THIS IN TODAY'S WORLD OF ALL BAD NEWS. DORLIS Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi - just to update everyone, little "Lucky" that was tossed out of the car > and hit the windshield of my granddaughter's friend, Rachel, seems to have > fully recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel's rescues, a > black lab dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the two of them > looking into each other's face with the dog on the couch and Lucky up on the > back of the couch. They seemed very happy I love a happy ending :) > > Ardy > > > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
Hi - just to update everyone, little "Lucky" that was tossed out of the car and hit the windshield of my granddaughter's friend, Rachel, seems to have fully recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel's rescues, a black lab dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the two of them looking into each other's face with the dog on the couch and Lucky up on the back of the couch. They seemed very happy I love a happy ending :) Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mo update
ther I was going down the right > road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you > can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up > helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to “treat the person, not the > numbers”. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and > glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-09-17 1:20 PM > *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Mo update > > > > I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making > progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side > and it's difficult. > > > > Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel > off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I > don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly > restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope > he has but it's still hard. > > > > Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. > There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out > on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel > better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room > somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. > > > > This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you > all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so > much effort into this. > > > > I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try > some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as > well give it a go! > > > > Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. > > > > Sheri > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mo update
Thank you for the encouragement! I was really dreading the syringe feeding but it went better than I thought. I was able to get 3- 3cc syringes in him and although he hated being restrained and wasn't lapping it on his own, he didn't seem to hate the taste and dutifully swallowed each bit until the end of syringe 3 where he let it come back out. I put him back on his sunny spot and he immediately went to sleep. I have to assume a full belly was a relief. I'm going to bring home some more 10cc syringes tomorrow, I think it will be easier to refill less often during the feeding. I've decided the little area we have set up is Mo's spot and I feel good about him spending his time there and watching the birds and squirrels outside. If this all fails, I at least know that's a happy place for him. I won't give him meds or food there, it's his safe spot from all this madness. I could swear his gums are pinking up but I may just really want to believe that right now. I'm holding out for bloodwork at 30 days so time will be the tell. Sheri On Sun, Apr 9, 2017, 4:15 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Sheri > > > > It is extremely difficult to go through what you and Mo are going through, > and all of us have been there. I too have known the frustration and guilt > of constantly harassing one of the babies in my charge with food. However, > I have very often seen them come through the other end, and so, while > things look bleak right now, if they are able to get enough to eat and if > the meds end up helping, all is forgiven and forgotten. There is no > question it is absolutely gut-wrenching to have to decide if you are > helping or hurting at this time, and only you can know the right answer. > All of us would do different things, and every situation is unique, so > there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Make the decision out of love and > no matter what the outcome, remember that it was out of love that you did > it. > > > > As I mentioned in my earlier post, I find baby food very helpful in these > circumstances and I will squirt the food via syringe, into their mouths > because they need more than they will take on their own right now and > squirting it in their mouths actually means I harass them for LESS time. > After the worst of the crisis passes, they usually will begin to show > interest in the food without the need for the syringing, but even then, if > they aren’t getting enough intake, I will keep syringing to ensure they are > getting enough, until they get to the point that they are licking up enough > on their own. It is a vicious circle of course, because not getting enough > to eat makes them feel horrible and week, and worsens their appetite even > more, etc. Thus, I try to break that cycle by ensuring they are getting > enough intake, to allow the meds time to kick in. > > > > When I started in “rescuing” of strays, I was told by the animal welfare > group with which I was volunteering, that you cannot get a cat to eat, who > doesn’t want to eat. I have not found that to be the case, but I think that > my success has been due to keeping the feeding time short and effective, > and thus, I keep the skirmishing short. I can get 1 3-cc syringe of pureed > baby food into most cats in just a few minutes, and even 10 syringes will > take 15-20 minutes (because if I go that far, my baby is clearly open to > getting more food). Keeping the time short and effective will minimize the > fighting and unpleasantness for both of you, so if I can only get 1 syringe > in before my baby gets terribly unhappy, then I will stop. But my minimum > is 1 syringe at a feeding, and I set goals to increase that as I am able. > > > > Sadly, of course, we all know that the meds may not work, and so the food > intake ends up being for naught (along with the regretful harassment). For > me and Zander, that is one of the ways that the weekly bloodwork I was > having done, was helpful. I was able to see improvement in the bloodwork, > so it lessened the uncertainty regarding whether I was going down the right > road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you > can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up > helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to “treat the person, not the > numbers”. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and > glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-09-17 1:20 PM > *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Mo update > > > > I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are mak
Re: [Felvtalk] Mo update
Hi Sheri It is extremely difficult to go through what you and Mo are going through, and all of us have been there. I too have known the frustration and guilt of constantly harassing one of the babies in my charge with food. However, I have very often seen them come through the other end, and so, while things look bleak right now, if they are able to get enough to eat and if the meds end up helping, all is forgiven and forgotten. There is no question it is absolutely gut-wrenching to have to decide if you are helping or hurting at this time, and only you can know the right answer. All of us would do different things, and every situation is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Make the decision out of love and no matter what the outcome, remember that it was out of love that you did it. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I find baby food very helpful in these circumstances and I will squirt the food via syringe, into their mouths because they need more than they will take on their own right now and squirting it in their mouths actually means I harass them for LESS time. After the worst of the crisis passes, they usually will begin to show interest in the food without the need for the syringing, but even then, if they aren’t getting enough intake, I will keep syringing to ensure they are getting enough, until they get to the point that they are licking up enough on their own. It is a vicious circle of course, because not getting enough to eat makes them feel horrible and week, and worsens their appetite even more, etc. Thus, I try to break that cycle by ensuring they are getting enough intake, to allow the meds time to kick in. When I started in “rescuing” of strays, I was told by the animal welfare group with which I was volunteering, that you cannot get a cat to eat, who doesn’t want to eat. I have not found that to be the case, but I think that my success has been due to keeping the feeding time short and effective, and thus, I keep the skirmishing short. I can get 1 3-cc syringe of pureed baby food into most cats in just a few minutes, and even 10 syringes will take 15-20 minutes (because if I go that far, my baby is clearly open to getting more food). Keeping the time short and effective will minimize the fighting and unpleasantness for both of you, so if I can only get 1 syringe in before my baby gets terribly unhappy, then I will stop. But my minimum is 1 syringe at a feeding, and I set goals to increase that as I am able. Sadly, of course, we all know that the meds may not work, and so the food intake ends up being for naught (along with the regretful harassment). For me and Zander, that is one of the ways that the weekly bloodwork I was having done, was helpful. I was able to see improvement in the bloodwork, so it lessened the uncertainty regarding whether I was going down the right road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to “treat the person, not the numbers”. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-09-17 1:20 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side and it's difficult. Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope he has but it's still hard. Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so much effort into this. I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as well give it a go! Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. Sheri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Mo update
I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side and it's difficult. Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope he has but it's still hard. Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so much effort into this. I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as well give it a go! Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. Sheri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Figaro VonMouztrapf
They kept him overnite for a neuter??Margo-Original Message- From: Jennifer Olson Sent: Mar 23, 2017 11:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Figaro VonMouztrapf Neuter this morning went fine. My son & I stopped after school to visit him. We'll get Figaro back tomorrow =~DJen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Figaro VonMouztrapf
Neuter this morning went fine. My son & I stopped after school to visit him. We'll get Figaro back tomorrow =~D Jen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Thanks for the tip Ardy. The pumpkin was a success in stopping a bad bout of diarrhea for her. And she liked it. I had researched it and it said it was good for constipation and diarrhea too. I will add this to my first aid kit arsenal. Thank you again! Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Ardy Robertson Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:21 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat My cats always looked like they had a camel¹s hump when the vet gave them sub-q fluids, until they soaked in. Sometimes mine would leak a little on the outside as well. I also gave a small amount of pure pumpkin (not the spicy pie kind) and this is an excellent fiber source to make them have a bowel movement. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Amani, Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color? I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won¹t sit still for very long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn¹t had a bowel movement still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5 pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but really I end up wearing at least part of each helping. Bogey ate on her own tonight! This foodNutros. She mostly licked it but I added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours a dayshe has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We do everything we can don¹t we. Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to have this done a few times in her life time. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn¹t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer¹s lactate/saline/5% dextrose I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids usually saline or the ringer¹s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning¹s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn¹t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat FRIDAY
Good morning everyone. It has been a good day here. After the week that we have had, to have my little Bogey go and find her litter and start burying things was music to my ears. I figured after that she would just try to return to bed after. But she walked around looking for her food dish. I grabbed it and sat it on the floor and she ate kibble without me even prodding her to do so. Also some watered down wet food. Gently groomed herself after. Clear urine and finally a very good bowel movement. We are not out of the woods I know. She is still very weak and jaundice but less so. These are small milestones but we celebrated them. Even though she ate wet (Fancy Feast) and kibble on her own today. I am going to still force the A/D, L/D and water. She has lost about a pound through all of this. I started giving her about half the dose that I was of Petinic vitamins. I am not going to take her in for SUBQ. They are open tomorrow so that is a possibility if anything worsens. My reasoning: My vet, I appreciate everything he has done with her. Especially because he is giving her the chance to live with the Winstrol and Doxy. She would be gone by now if not for him. He’s a great guy and his staff is wonderful. But when I took her in for treatment for this, he really didn’t want to do anything for her. Actually said he wouldn’t because she was suffering. He did eventually agree to a hospital stay with IV. I believe I have to nurse her back myself so as to not jeopardize any future treatments for her. It’s a slippery slope. At this point and after THAT soft bowel movement and her urinating regularly I am going to continue on as I have been. I hope it is the right decision. I will learn how to do that myself for the next time. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually saline or the ringer’s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver,
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
My cats always looked like they had a camel’s hump when the vet gave them sub-q fluids, until they soaked in. Sometimes mine would leak a little on the outside as well. I also gave a small amount of pure pumpkin (not the spicy pie kind) and this is an excellent fiber source to make them have a bowel movement. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Amani, Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color? I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won’t sit still for very long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn’t had a bowel movement still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5 pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but really I end up wearing at least part of each helping. Bogey ate on her own tonight! This food…Nutros. She mostly licked it but I added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours a day…she has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We do everything we can don’t we. Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to have this done a few times in her life time. Sherri From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> " mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually saline or the ringer’s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> " mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some
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Another suggestion on getting a cat to drink……clam juice in a bottle. When my kitties were sick one winter they would not drink anything, and I had to get sub-q fluids at the vet’s. I can’t seem to handle giving the fluids myself. Anyway the clam juice has a fishy smell and they seem to love it. My older cat drinks too much of it and sometimes throws up but now I don’t give her that much. I also keep some on hand for a treat – we call it a kitty cocktail. The juice from tuna in water is another option. Good luck with Bogey, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually saline or the ringer’s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> " mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> " mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:fel
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My vet even gave me a bag os saline and now I can start the fluids when necessary. I just call for a fresh bag. Amani Oakley wrote: > Sherri > > Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be > darker. > > Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps > ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the > neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the > neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no > risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. > > It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep > several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I > hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will > often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually > saline or the ringer’s lactate. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think > chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she > urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does > have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She > is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today > when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some > baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I > hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a > 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she > has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I > think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I > will pick up some Whiskas today too. > > I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I > thought that was not a good plan. > > Thanks for the input Amani. > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Sherri > > There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her > haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. > Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. > > It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can > syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine > was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. > I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very > diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some > more. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others > who find these posts helpful. > > First day home
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Sherri Because she is probably dehydrated, the urine will be darker like that. She is probably also getting rid of some of the jaundice, so it is likely a combination of the two issues, causing the darkening of the urine. If you have given insulin in the nape of the neck, you probably already have the technique down pat. The fluid is allowed to pool in the area beneath the skin. As for Bogey not sitting still, again, you can give that fluid rather quickly if you can’t keep her still for too long. I have had the vet clinic “load up” my cats with fluids, very rapidly, and send them home with me with a big bubble of fluid present in the back of the neck (which often slides down to under their chin) and the vets informed me that there is no problem – the body will absorb the fluid at the rate needed by the body and anything excess is excreted. In terms of the amount, ask your vet for a recommendation. When I am giving fluid, I tend to give as much as possible in one go (to a reasonable amount of course) to minimize having to insert a needle in every few hours. Bogey is small so maybe only 100 mls or so. I will usually monitor how quickly the fluid is absorbed and if it goes quickly, the cat is more dehydrated and needs more fluids, so I will increase the amount I give in one go. I agree you should also consider letting her sleep. That is an important part of recovering (not to mention important for you as well). Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Amani, Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color? I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won’t sit still for very long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn’t had a bowel movement still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5 pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but really I end up wearing at least part of each helping. Bogey ate on her own tonight! This food…Nutros. She mostly licked it but I added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours a day…she has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We do everything we can don’t we. Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to have this done a few times in her life time. Sherri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amani, Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color? I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won’t sit still for very long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn’t had a bowel movement still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5 pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but really I end up wearing at least part of each helping. Bogey ate on her own tonight! This food…Nutros. She mostly licked it but I added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours a day…she has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We do everything we can don’t we. Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to have this done a few times in her life time. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually saline or the ringer’s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first
[Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Sherri Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will be darker. Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy. Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed out. It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually saline or the ringer’s lactate. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all wh
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Thanks for the update on Bogey - slow but steady progress Sandy W - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:53:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat On the baby food, try pumpkin, has fiber and my guys have always liked it when they were off their feed. I drink raw milk, but even that will give them diahrea if I give them more than 1 teaspoon. Maybe mix with pumpkin. Amani Oakley wrote: > You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some > baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I > hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a > 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she > has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I > think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I > will pick up some Whiskas today too. > > I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I > thought that was not a good plan. > > Thanks for the input Amani. > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Sherri > > There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her > haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. > Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. > > It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can > syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine > was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. > I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very > diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some > more. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others > who find these posts helpful. > > First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But > I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. > She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a > tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few > drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange > about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was > clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of > laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still > seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital > so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now > with a heating pad on her. > > She isn’t suffering or getting worse. > > I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the > jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. > > Thanks for reading. > > Sherri > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Sherri > > The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important > indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has > an interest in eating. She has cl
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Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a heating pad on her. She isn’t suffering or getting worse. I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. Thanks for reading. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork t
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
On the baby food, try pumpkin, has fiber and my guys have always liked it when they were off their feed. I drink raw milk, but even that will give them diahrea if I give them more than 1 teaspoon. Maybe mix with pumpkin. Amani Oakley wrote: > You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some > baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I > hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a > 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she > has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I > think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I > will pick up some Whiskas today too. > > I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I > thought that was not a good plan. > > Thanks for the input Amani. > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Sherri > > There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her > haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. > Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. > > It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can > syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine > was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. > I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very > diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some > more. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others > who find these posts helpful. > > First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But > I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. > She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a > tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a > few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very > orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and > was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple > of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still > seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital > so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now > with a heating pad on her. > > She isn’t suffering or getting worse. > > I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the > jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. > > Thanks for reading. > > Sherri > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > Sherri > > The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important > indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has > an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow > colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. > > After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. > She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That > will help get rid of some of the b
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You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a heating pad on her. She isn’t suffering or getting worse. I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. Thanks for reading. Sherri From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids. Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the glucose look
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Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up some Whiskas today too. I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I thought that was not a good plan. Thanks for the input Amani. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a heating pad on her. She isn’t suffering or getting worse. I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. Thanks for reading. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids. Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the glucose looks like. One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers. I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think that a retest of her blood work should confirm that. Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC! Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver failure because of an additive/preservative called ethoxyquin which is added to fish or fish meal. (Fish meal can also sometimes be contaminated with mycotoxins which might also have a deleterious effect on the liver.) That might also explain why the jaundice seemed to come on so suddenly a
[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Sherri There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a heating pad on her. She isn’t suffering or getting worse. I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. Thanks for reading. Sherri From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids. Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the glucose looks like. One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers. I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think that a retest of her blood work should confirm that. Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC! Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver failure because of an additive/preservative called ethoxyquin which is added to fish or fish meal. (Fish meal can also sometimes be contaminated with mycotoxins which might also have a deleterious effect on the liver.) That might also explain why the jaundice seemed to come on so suddenly after ingestion. Do a Google search on the brand name and see if others have reported a problem. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others who find these posts helpful. First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a heating pad on her. She isn’t suffering or getting worse. I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. Thanks for reading. Sherri From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids. Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the glucose looks like. One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers. I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think that a retest of her blood work should confirm that. Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC! Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver failure because of an additive/preservative called ethoxyquin which is added to fish or fish meal. (Fish meal can also sometimes be contaminated with mycotoxins which might also have a deleterious effect on the liver.) That might also explain why the jaundice seemed to come on so suddenly after ingestion. Do a Google search on the brand name and see if others have reported a problem. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 8:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Amani, I noticed the glucose right away. I had a diabetic dog that required insulin twice a day and so that number stuck out. I believe these tests were before the IV. I didn’t look at the bag closely that they were giving her but I think it was Dextrose. I will ask him about that tomorrow. With this jaundice…is the fact that it really hasn’t gotten any better an indicator that she isn’t any better? Or does that take a while to return to normal? I will also ask him about the potassium. Is that the K number? She had an interest in a can of salmon that I opened on Saturday. So I sat aside a little for her and fed it to her bits at a time for a couple of days before this all happened. I told the vet about it. She never had salmon before. He didn’t think that was anything. The doxy clearly made a huge difference. Around the house here, she just came alive after the first week of being on it. That tip, and the doc finally agreeing to prescribe it…saved her life I believe. Thank you so much. I don’t think they are giving her one other than that bag of fluid. He really didn’t want to do anything and I actually begged him to hospitalize her and give her a chance. I am sure he thought her blood tests would show the very worst. Thanks for the feedback on these test results Amani. I feel a little hopeful tonight. She is never very comfortable at the Vet’s offi
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Well they released her today. Not much drop on the TBIL. She is less yellow. She is still very wobbly but not as bad as when I took her in. Is disoriented. Her BUN today was below normal at 14. Her ALT had dropped from 237 to 194 with the normal range shown below. She ate pretty good when I got her home. Not drinking anything so I am just giving her an eyedropper of water every half hour or so. I know she needs to eat to keep this elimination thing going. Should I be giving her food every hour? At least a couple of bites in a syringe? Is there anything else I need to do for her. I have her safely away in a small bathroom to protect her. The doctor told me to get her back on the Winstrol but I am going to wait a day or so. He gave her a shot of pred before I got there so told me not to give her that pill. Wish us luck! From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes are barely budged. They are wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these). This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting. Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you need the combination of Winstrol to up the cell production and Doxycycline to retard the reproduction of the viruses. You can see the difference in the results once the Doxycycline was added at the end of October. I am hoping that Bogey is out of the woods now. I don’t think that either the Doxy or the Winstrol are the culprit here. The Winstrol is likely getting the liver enzymes to increase a bit but only a very small bit. The ALT and GGT are the only ones a bit elevated, but again, I have seen these in the thousands – especially the ALT. I do notice however that her potassium is a bit low (I hope they were giving her some potassium in the fluids) and her glucose is a bit high. Did they give her dextrose? Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 7:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad thing. I haven’t looked it up yet. We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it. I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from Excel that is making the emails run big. Anyway…here ya go. Scale12-Dec GLU74-159178 BUN16-3623 CREA08-2.41.3 BUN/CREA18 PHOS3.1-7.54.5 CA7.8-11.39.8 TP5.7-8.98.7 ALB2.2-4.03.1 GLOB2.8-5.15.6 ALB/GLB0.6 ALT12-130237 ALKP14-11139 GGT0-48 TBIL.0-.927.9 CHOL65-225170 AMYL500-1500842 LIPA100-1400255 NA150-165158 K3.5-5.83.4 NA/K46 CL112-129114 OSM CALC318 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Sherri The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own. After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible. That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again. Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more fluids just for that. However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids. Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the glucose looks like. One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers. I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think that a retest of her blood work should confirm that. Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC! Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver failure because of an additive/preservative called ethoxyquin which is added to fish or fish meal. (Fish meal can also sometimes be contaminated with mycotoxins which might also have a deleterious effect on the liver.) That might also explain why the jaundice seemed to come on so suddenly after ingestion. Do a Google search on the brand name and see if others have reported a problem. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 8:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Amani, I noticed the glucose right away. I had a diabetic dog that required insulin twice a day and so that number stuck out. I believe these tests were before the IV. I didn’t look at the bag closely that they were giving her but I think it was Dextrose. I will ask him about that tomorrow. With this jaundice…is the fact that it really hasn’t gotten any better an indicator that she isn’t any better? Or does that take a while to return to normal? I will also ask him about the potassium. Is that the K number? She had an interest in a can of salmon that I opened on Saturday. So I sat aside a little for her and fed it to her bits at a time for a couple of days before this all happened. I told the vet about it. She never had salmon before. He didn’t think that was anything. The doxy clearly made a huge difference. Around the house here, she just came alive after the first week of being on it. That tip, and the doc finally agreeing to prescribe it…saved her life I believe. Thank you so much. I don’t think they are giving her one other than that bag of fluid. He really didn’t want to do anything and I actually begged him to hospitalize her and give her a chance. I am sure he thought her blood tests would show the very worst. Thanks for the feedback on these test results Amani. I feel a little hopeful tonight. She is never very comfortable at the Vet’s office. She is looking for a way to escape normally or someplace to hide. Once she gets home she is fine. She hates her cage. But when I sat her on the floor to let her try to walk a little she headed straight for it. I think she would like to come home. From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> Reply-To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes are barely budged. They are wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these). This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting. Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you ne
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Amani, I noticed the glucose right away. I had a diabetic dog that required insulin twice a day and so that number stuck out. I believe these tests were before the IV. I didn’t look at the bag closely that they were giving her but I think it was Dextrose. I will ask him about that tomorrow. With this jaundice…is the fact that it really hasn’t gotten any better an indicator that she isn’t any better? Or does that take a while to return to normal? I will also ask him about the potassium. Is that the K number? She had an interest in a can of salmon that I opened on Saturday. So I sat aside a little for her and fed it to her bits at a time for a couple of days before this all happened. I told the vet about it. She never had salmon before. He didn’t think that was anything. The doxy clearly made a huge difference. Around the house here, she just came alive after the first week of being on it. That tip, and the doc finally agreeing to prescribe it…saved her life I believe. Thank you so much. I don’t think they are giving her one other than that bag of fluid. He really didn’t want to do anything and I actually begged him to hospitalize her and give her a chance. I am sure he thought her blood tests would show the very worst. Thanks for the feedback on these test results Amani. I feel a little hopeful tonight. She is never very comfortable at the Vet’s office. She is looking for a way to escape normally or someplace to hide. Once she gets home she is fine. She hates her cage. But when I sat her on the floor to let her try to walk a little she headed straight for it. I think she would like to come home. From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes are barely budged. They are wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these). This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting. Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you need the combination of Winstrol to up the cell production and Doxycycline to retard the reproduction of the viruses. You can see the difference in the results once the Doxycycline was added at the end of October. I am hoping that Bogey is out of the woods now. I don’t think that either the Doxy or the Winstrol are the culprit here. The Winstrol is likely getting the liver enzymes to increase a bit but only a very small bit. The ALT and GGT are the only ones a bit elevated, but again, I have seen these in the thousands – especially the ALT. I do notice however that her potassium is a bit low (I hope they were giving her some potassium in the fluids) and her glucose is a bit high. Did they give her dextrose? Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 7:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad thing. I haven’t looked it up yet. We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it. I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from Excel that is making the emails run big. Anyway…here ya go. Scale12-Dec GLU74-159178 BUN16-3623 CREA08-2.41.3 BUN/CREA18 PHOS3.1-7.54.5 CA7.8-11.39.8 TP5.7-8.98.7 ALB2.2-4.03.1 GLOB2.8-5.15.6 ALB/GLB0.6 ALT12-130237 ALKP14-11139 GGT0-48 TBIL.0-.927.9 CHOL65-225170 AMYL500-1500842 LIPA100-1400255 NA150-165158 K3.5-5.83.4 NA/K46 CL112-129114 OSM CALC318 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Sherri The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes are barely budged. They are wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these). This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting. Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you need the combination of Winstrol to up the cell production and Doxycycline to retard the reproduction of the viruses. You can see the difference in the results once the Doxycycline was added at the end of October. I am hoping that Bogey is out of the woods now. I don’t think that either the Doxy or the Winstrol are the culprit here. The Winstrol is likely getting the liver enzymes to increase a bit but only a very small bit. The ALT and GGT are the only ones a bit elevated, but again, I have seen these in the thousands – especially the ALT. I do notice however that her potassium is a bit low (I hope they were giving her some potassium in the fluids) and her glucose is a bit high. Did they give her dextrose? Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 7:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad thing. I haven’t looked it up yet. We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it. I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from Excel that is making the emails run big. Anyway…here ya go. Scale 12-Dec GLU 74-159 178 BUN 16-36 23 CREA 08-2.4 1.3 BUN/CREA 18 PHOS 3.1-7.5 4.5 CA 7.8-11.3 9.8 TP 5.7-8.9 8.7 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.1 GLOB 2.8-5.1 5.6 ALB/GLB 0.6 ALT 12-130 237 ALKP 14-111 39 GGT 0-4 8 TBIL .0-.9 27.9 CHOL 65-225 170 AMYL 500-1500 842 LIPA 100-1400 255 NA 150-165 158 K 3.5-5.8 3.4 NA/K 46 CL 112-129 114 OSM CALC 318 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad thing. I haven’t looked it up yet. We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it. I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from Excel that is making the emails run big. Anyway…here ya go. Scale 12-Dec GLU 74-159 178 BUN 16-36 23 CREA 08-2.4 1.3 BUN/CREA 18 PHOS 3.1-7.5 4.5 CA 7.8-11.3 9.8 TP 5.7-8.9 8.7 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.1 GLOB 2.8-5.1 5.6 ALB/GLB 0.6 ALT 12-130 237 ALKP 14-111 39 GGT 0-4 8 TBIL .0-.9 27.9 CHOL 65-225 170 AMYL 500-1500 842 LIPA 100-1400 255 NA 150-165 158 K 3.5-5.8 3.4 NA/K 46 CL 112-129 114 OSM CALC 318 From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:11 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Sherri Good to hear there has been an improvement. I wanted to say that to you in my previous email, because I was surprised you were saying you thought she wouldn’t recover. Usually, there is a pretty rapid turn-around as the bilirubin and enzymes drop. It is very good news that she is eating a bit as well. However, I am of course not there, and you can see her and I can’t. My feeling though is that her since her underlying results were showing such an improvement in haematocrit, red cells, haemoglobin, and platelets, then I felt she would come through the jaundice okay. The lab results you have sent me are pretty puzzling though. There seems to have been a trend between August 24 to October 26 and then some real changes in virtually all cell parameters seen in the December 12th blood work. Any other medication changes during the end of October to December 12th? Amani P.S. – sorry but I had to chop off your email to get this one to go through. I had it returned to me THREE TIMES as being to big, even though the last time I sent it, it was just my email and your previous one, with the rest chopped off. I keep asking if the moderators can address this limited size thing, but there’s been no change. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sherri Good to hear there has been an improvement. I wanted to say that to you in my previous email, because I was surprised you were saying you thought she wouldn’t recover. Usually, there is a pretty rapid turn-around as the bilirubin and enzymes drop. It is very good news that she is eating a bit as well. However, I am of course not there, and you can see her and I can’t. My feeling though is that her since her underlying results were showing such an improvement in haematocrit, red cells, haemoglobin, and platelets, then I felt she would come through the jaundice okay. The lab results you have sent me are pretty puzzling though. There seems to have been a trend between August 24 to October 26 and then some real changes in virtually all cell parameters seen in the December 12th blood work. Any other medication changes during the end of October to December 12th? Amani P.S. – sorry but I had to chop off your email to get this one to go through. I had it returned to me THREE TIMES as being to big, even though the last time I sent it, it was just my email and your previous one, with the rest chopped off. I keep asking if the moderators can address this limited size thing, but there’s been no change. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Yes…here are her comparison results. I just visited with her and she appears better this evening. She seemed less out of it. Walking better. Ate a little. Even the guy who cleans the ICU there said he saw much improvement. Hoping and praying. Amani they gave me two sheets of test results this time. It’s the one that shows the enzyme levels and such. I will post that in a bit. Range 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug RBC 6.54 12.2 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43 HCT 30.3 52.3 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3 MCV 35.9 53.1 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6 MCH 11.8 17.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8 MCHC 28.1 35.8 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9 RDW 15 27 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9 RETIC 3 50 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5 WBC 2.87 17.02 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46 NEU 1.48 10.29 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03 LYM 0.92 6.88 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75 MONO 0.05 0.67 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0 PLT 151 800 122 28 53 88 50 From: Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley Reply-To: Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 4:46 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat That is very strange indeed. Usually, any jaundice develops rather slowly. Your description leaves me confused. Have they tested her again to see what the current values are? I don’t understand the numbers you have posted, by the way. Perhaps they are in different units than what I am familiar with. I also don’t recognize the abbreviation you used. If you want more information, please post the results exactly as you have received them, along with full titles of the tests and the reference ranges. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 4:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. She is hospitalized. I am going up to see her again as soon as I get out of here. She hasn't had the Winstrol now since Sunday at noon. The jaundice was sudden. She was wobbly Sunday night but still eating. I made an appointment for her right away but I couldn't get in for 5 hours. I gave her a little tuna water and I swear within 15 minutes her ears had turned yellow. So I took her right in. She is very sick. I can't imagine her pulling through this. On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on it? If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood counts doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver enzymes increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once the Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it again. However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their liver enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might increase. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 4:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all. Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9 and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then everything went south in less than a day. Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with her and she knows my voice. My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal bowel movements. Her urine is dark. I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
That is very strange indeed. Usually, any jaundice develops rather slowly. Your description leaves me confused. Have they tested her again to see what the current values are? I don’t understand the numbers you have posted, by the way. Perhaps they are in different units than what I am familiar with. I also don’t recognize the abbreviation you used. If you want more information, please post the results exactly as you have received them, along with full titles of the tests and the reference ranges. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 4:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat Hi Amani. She is hospitalized. I am going up to see her again as soon as I get out of here. She hasn't had the Winstrol now since Sunday at noon. The jaundice was sudden. She was wobbly Sunday night but still eating. I made an appointment for her right away but I couldn't get in for 5 hours. I gave her a little tuna water and I swear within 15 minutes her ears had turned yellow. So I took her right in. She is very sick. I can't imagine her pulling through this. On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on it? If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood counts doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver enzymes increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once the Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it again. However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their liver enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might increase. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 4:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all. Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9 and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then everything went south in less than a day. Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with her and she knows my voice. My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal bowel movements. Her urine is dark. I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
Hi Amani. She is hospitalized. I am going up to see her again as soon as I get out of here. She hasn't had the Winstrol now since Sunday at noon. The jaundice was sudden. She was wobbly Sunday night but still eating. I made an appointment for her right away but I couldn't get in for 5 hours. I gave her a little tuna water and I swear within 15 minutes her ears had turned yellow. So I took her right in. She is very sick. I can't imagine her pulling through this. On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on > it? If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood > counts doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver > enzymes increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once > the Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it > again. However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their > liver enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might > increase. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sherri Godschalk > *Sent:* December-13-16 4:27 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat > > > > I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable > recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice > suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all. > > > > Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9 > and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit > was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then > everything went south in less than a day. > > > > Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the > scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. > She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is > eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but > they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with > her and she knows my voice. > > > > My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve > tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they > should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal > bowel movements. Her urine is dark. > > > > I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one > will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on it? If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood counts doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver enzymes increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once the Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it again. However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their liver enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might increase. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: December-13-16 4:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all. Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9 and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then everything went south in less than a day. Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with her and she knows my voice. My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal bowel movements. Her urine is dark. I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all. Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9 and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then everything went south in less than a day. Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with her and she knows my voice. My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal bowel movements. Her urine is dark. I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Realities of Pet Litigation and Yogi update....
Glad Yogi' is showing signs of improvement. Good news is always great to hear. Will keep him and you in my prayers. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amani.. I'm sorry I brought the topic up both for not realizing that it could spur many " offshoot" conversations and the apparent reality that pets lives are not considered important enough to punish those who do not pay sufficient attention to their care ( likewise the the penalties for animal abuse or the " necessary" killing of an aggressive dog ( we can get sent to jail for being TOO mean to someone whose intention it is to Rob us but apparently there is no such thing as " excessive " force if you don't know how to handle an angry dog often times one that YOU angered... it's very disheartening I guess I imagined with the uptick in fondness for all things " pet " and the addition of laws addressing abuse and neglect that these issues were being taken more seriously in the court.. but We all know that getting ones money back from the interior decorator who put up the wrong color curtains trumps having your beloved pet killed by a neighbor who "says" it was threatening his out of control obnoxious 3 year old who kept throwing apples at it ( I am assuming all pet related incidents end up ( if at all) in Civil Court, or small Claims??. and PLEASE... no need to respond. just venting my spleen upon learning that we have not come as far as I had hoped *** Was going to have Yogi's Right eye removed today but over the past couple of days his mood has brightened and there " seems " to be a bit of resolution in the clarity of the lens and surrounding Hyperemia.. His appetite is fabulous and he is more energetic.. As my decision was based on his discomfort weighted against the very real risk that he would not make it through the surgery I decided to postpose the surgery until such time as I feel that his suffering would warrant an operation that could be equivalent to " putting him down" He's such a ratty little thing and really looks the part of a Leuky cat but he's MY boy and I love having him around Bob On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 11:53 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 (Amani Oakley) >2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 (Amani Oakley) >3. Re: FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > (Amani Oakley) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:46:14 + > From: Amani Oakley To: Margo , > "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he > thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But > again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously > misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the > insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who > will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true. > > Amani > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Margo > Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 > > > Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything > even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. > That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to > defend what they did, should here be a problem. > > But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day > at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until > January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by > phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be > bored ;) > > Margo > > -Original Message- >> From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 >> >> Amani... >> I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a >> lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin to >> charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up small >>
Re: [Felvtalk] Realities of Pet Litigation and Yogi update....
Amani.. I'm sorry I brought the topic up both for not realizing that it could spur many " offshoot" conversations and the apparent reality that pets lives are not considered important enough to punish those who do not pay sufficient attention to their care ( likewise the the penalties for animal abuse or the " necessary" killing of an aggressive dog ( we can get sent to jail for being TOO mean to someone whose intention it is to Rob us but apparently there is no such thing as " excessive " force if you don't know how to handle an angry dog often times one that YOU angered... it's very disheartening I guess I imagined with the uptick in fondness for all things " pet " and the addition of laws addressing abuse and neglect that these issues were being taken more seriously in the court.. but We all know that getting ones money back from the interior decorator who put up the wrong color curtains trumps having your beloved pet killed by a neighbor who "says" it was threatening his out of control obnoxious 3 year old who kept throwing apples at it ( I am assuming all pet related incidents end up ( if at all) in Civil Court, or small Claims??. and PLEASE... no need to respond. just venting my spleen upon learning that we have not come as far as I had hoped *** Was going to have Yogi's Right eye removed today but over the past couple of days his mood has brightened and there " seems " to be a bit of resolution in the clarity of the lens and surrounding Hyperemia.. His appetite is fabulous and he is more energetic.. As my decision was based on his discomfort weighted against the very real risk that he would not make it through the surgery I decided to postpose the surgery until such time as I feel that his suffering would warrant an operation that could be equivalent to " putting him down" He's such a ratty little thing and really looks the part of a Leuky cat but he's MY boy and I love having him around Bob On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 11:53 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 (Amani Oakley) 2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 (Amani Oakley) 3. Re: FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol (Amani Oakley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:46:14 + From: Amani Oakley To: Margo , "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to defend what they did, should here be a problem. But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be bored ;) Margo -Original Message- From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 Amani... I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin to charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up small practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward the downside of human medicine discrete scheduling time periods to maximize profits... little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to topics that could cause spending extra time.? As prices r
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Tigger's Condition
Wow! That is an amazing story! So glad you are here to tell it. I am hoping by boosting Tucker's immune system I can help his body kick into fighting mode. What is really weird is that his blood work is all completely normal. My vet told me sometimes it is even with cancer. I guess the only way I will be able to tell if he is improving is do another X-ray in several months and see if it looks the same. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:53 PM, > wrote: > > when i had lyphoma, the last chemo knocked my red cells down and the dr > stopped it. i am wondering if this would help humans fighting lyphoma and > chemo? what is it's shelf life? might not hurt to have some on hand just in > case. YES, i would be willing to try it siince the dr. told me none of the > chemos did any good nd i was back to 3 months. 1 year later i went into > spontaneous remission and have been there now for 10 years. maybe if we had > ghone with winstrol to begin with. > > > Amani Oakley wrote: >> Hi Everyone >> >> With Ardy's permission, I want to share with everyone, the very promising >> results we have gotten with the use of Winstrol. >> >> When Ardy first contacted me, she provided me with Tigger's lab results. As >> Ardy has mentioned, the results were pretty grim. The key findings for me >> were: >> >> March 12/16 Red Cells: 1.07(RR: 5-10) >>Haematocrit 6.3 (RR: 30.0 - 45.0%) >>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) >>Reticulocyte5.2% >>WBC 3.3 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) >>%Neutrophils16.4% >>%Lymphocytes64.0% >>%Monocytes >>NRBCNone recorded >> >> Even though there are no reference ranges listed for the percentage >> distribution of neutrophils and lymphocytes, I know this distribution >> pattern is abnormal. There should be more neutrophils and lymphocytes in >> cats, with the ratio being something like 1.8/1, so maybe 45% neutrophils >> and 25% to 35% lymphocytes would be the kind of range one would like to see. >> The very high lymphocyte count here (higher than the neutrophils) suggests >> these are leukemic cells - ie abnormal lymphocytes produced as a result of >> the viral infection. >> >> Ardy frantically tried all kinds of places to get the Winstrol and she was >> finally able to get some and start Tigger on it, on March 15 - so three days >> after this blood work was drawn. >> >> The next set of blood results showed an slight increase in red cells, a >> significant increase in the haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocytes, and a >> reversion of the neutrophil/lymphocyte distribution to what one would prefer >> to see. >> >> March 25/16 Red Cells 1.70(RR: 5-10) >>Haematocrit 14.1(RR: 30.0 - 45%) >>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) >>Reticulocyte(Not done) >>WBC 3.1 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) >>%Neutrophils43% >>%Lymphocytes20% >>%Monocytes 26% >>%Blasts 9% >>NRBC9/100 WBC (Normal is 0) >> >> >> So we started to see a slight increase in the red cell count (which although >> it still is well out of reference range, is a 70% in increase from the >> previous awful result. The haematocrit more than doubled. The haemoglobin >> stayed about the same. The reticulocyte level wasn't done but we started to >> see nucleated red blood cells (NRBC) appearing, which are immature red cells >> which still have their nuclei - mature red cells do not have nuclei. This >> indicates they are being pushed out early by the bone marrow in response to >> the low red cell count. The neutrophil/lymphocyte ratio has normalized, but >> the monocytes are quite high (usually are low like 2% or so) and are >> indicative of an inflammatory process going on. The total white cell count >> was still lower than the reference range, suggesting a depression of this >> cell line as well. >> >> Not surprisingly, the pathologist who reviewed this set of blood results >> said (in part) the following: "This anemia appears NON-REGENERATIVE, and >> although I can't confirm the exact cause based on this CBC alone, given this >> appearance, and especially the macrocytosis [elevated monocytes] and >> metarubricytosis [presence of lots of nucleated red blood cells] and in the >> face of minimal polychromasia, FeLV is my top differential. . . . The blasts >> noted do appear consistent with lymphoblasts. . . While they could be >> neoplastic, their overall concentration is small, and I could not confirm >> neoplasia as seen here." >> >> In the meantime, Ardy was reporting that Tigger was not needing as much pain >> medication (or any at all), and began to eat on his own. >> >> >> The last set of b
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Tigger's Condition
when i had lyphoma, the last chemo knocked my red cells down and the dr stopped it. i am wondering if this would help humans fighting lyphoma and chemo? what is it's shelf life? might not hurt to have some on hand just in case. YES, i would be willing to try it siince the dr. told me none of the chemos did any good nd i was back to 3 months. 1 year later i went into spontaneous remission and have been there now for 10 years. maybe if we had ghone with winstrol to begin with. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Everyone > > With Ardy's permission, I want to share with everyone, the very promising > results we have gotten with the use of Winstrol. > > When Ardy first contacted me, she provided me with Tigger's lab results. As > Ardy has mentioned, the results were pretty grim. The key findings for me > were: > > March 12/16 Red Cells: 1.07(RR: 5-10) > Haematocrit 6.3 (RR: 30.0 - 45.0%) > Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) > Reticulocyte5.2% > WBC 3.3 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) > %Neutrophils16.4% > %Lymphocytes64.0% > %Monocytes > NRBCNone recorded > > Even though there are no reference ranges listed for the percentage > distribution of neutrophils and lymphocytes, I know this distribution pattern > is abnormal. There should be more neutrophils and lymphocytes in cats, with > the ratio being something like 1.8/1, so maybe 45% neutrophils and 25% to 35% > lymphocytes would be the kind of range one would like to see. The very high > lymphocyte count here (higher than the neutrophils) suggests these are > leukemic cells - ie abnormal lymphocytes produced as a result of the viral > infection. > > Ardy frantically tried all kinds of places to get the Winstrol and she was > finally able to get some and start Tigger on it, on March 15 - so three days > after this blood work was drawn. > > The next set of blood results showed an slight increase in red cells, a > significant increase in the haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocytes, and a > reversion of the neutrophil/lymphocyte distribution to what one would prefer > to see. > > March 25/16 Red Cells 1.70(RR: 5-10) > Haematocrit 14.1(RR: 30.0 - 45%) > Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) > Reticulocyte(Not done) > WBC 3.1 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) > %Neutrophils43% > %Lymphocytes20% > %Monocytes 26% > %Blasts 9% > NRBC9/100 WBC (Normal is 0) > > > So we started to see a slight increase in the red cell count (which although > it still is well out of reference range, is a 70% in increase from the > previous awful result. The haematocrit more than doubled. The haemoglobin > stayed about the same. The reticulocyte level wasn't done but we started to > see nucleated red blood cells (NRBC) appearing, which are immature red cells > which still have their nuclei - mature red cells do not have nuclei. This > indicates they are being pushed out early by the bone marrow in response to > the low red cell count. The neutrophil/lymphocyte ratio has normalized, but > the monocytes are quite high (usually are low like 2% or so) and are > indicative of an inflammatory process going on. The total white cell count > was still lower than the reference range, suggesting a depression of this > cell line as well. > > Not surprisingly, the pathologist who reviewed this set of blood results said > (in part) the following: "This anemia appears NON-REGENERATIVE, and although > I can't confirm the exact cause based on this CBC alone, given this > appearance, and especially the macrocytosis [elevated monocytes] and > metarubricytosis [presence of lots of nucleated red blood cells] and in the > face of minimal polychromasia, FeLV is my top differential. . . . The blasts > noted do appear consistent with lymphoblasts. . . While they could be > neoplastic, their overall concentration is small, and I could not confirm > neoplasia as seen here." > > In the meantime, Ardy was reporting that Tigger was not needing as much pain > medication (or any at all), and began to eat on his own. > > > The last set of blood results showed: > > April 26/16 Red Cells 1.67(RR: 5-10) > Haematocrit 12.2(RR 30.0 - 45%) > Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) > Reticulocyte10.31% (Not usually seen) > WBC 4.9 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) > %Neutrophils45% > %Lymphocytes40% > %Monocytes 3% > %Blasts 12% > NRBC95/100 WBC (Normal is 0) > > So, looking at these resul
[Felvtalk] Update on Tigger's Condition
Hi Everyone With Ardy's permission, I want to share with everyone, the very promising results we have gotten with the use of Winstrol. When Ardy first contacted me, she provided me with Tigger's lab results. As Ardy has mentioned, the results were pretty grim. The key findings for me were: March 12/16 Red Cells: 1.07(RR: 5-10) Haematocrit 6.3 (RR: 30.0 - 45.0%) Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) Reticulocyte5.2% WBC 3.3 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) %Neutrophils16.4% %Lymphocytes64.0% %Monocytes NRBCNone recorded Even though there are no reference ranges listed for the percentage distribution of neutrophils and lymphocytes, I know this distribution pattern is abnormal. There should be more neutrophils and lymphocytes in cats, with the ratio being something like 1.8/1, so maybe 45% neutrophils and 25% to 35% lymphocytes would be the kind of range one would like to see. The very high lymphocyte count here (higher than the neutrophils) suggests these are leukemic cells - ie abnormal lymphocytes produced as a result of the viral infection. Ardy frantically tried all kinds of places to get the Winstrol and she was finally able to get some and start Tigger on it, on March 15 - so three days after this blood work was drawn. The next set of blood results showed an slight increase in red cells, a significant increase in the haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocytes, and a reversion of the neutrophil/lymphocyte distribution to what one would prefer to see. March 25/16 Red Cells 1.70(RR: 5-10) Haematocrit 14.1(RR: 30.0 - 45%) Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) Reticulocyte(Not done) WBC 3.1 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) %Neutrophils43% %Lymphocytes20% %Monocytes 26% %Blasts 9% NRBC9/100 WBC (Normal is 0) So we started to see a slight increase in the red cell count (which although it still is well out of reference range, is a 70% in increase from the previous awful result. The haematocrit more than doubled. The haemoglobin stayed about the same. The reticulocyte level wasn't done but we started to see nucleated red blood cells (NRBC) appearing, which are immature red cells which still have their nuclei - mature red cells do not have nuclei. This indicates they are being pushed out early by the bone marrow in response to the low red cell count. The neutrophil/lymphocyte ratio has normalized, but the monocytes are quite high (usually are low like 2% or so) and are indicative of an inflammatory process going on. The total white cell count was still lower than the reference range, suggesting a depression of this cell line as well. Not surprisingly, the pathologist who reviewed this set of blood results said (in part) the following: "This anemia appears NON-REGENERATIVE, and although I can't confirm the exact cause based on this CBC alone, given this appearance, and especially the macrocytosis [elevated monocytes] and metarubricytosis [presence of lots of nucleated red blood cells] and in the face of minimal polychromasia, FeLV is my top differential. . . . The blasts noted do appear consistent with lymphoblasts. . . While they could be neoplastic, their overall concentration is small, and I could not confirm neoplasia as seen here." In the meantime, Ardy was reporting that Tigger was not needing as much pain medication (or any at all), and began to eat on his own. The last set of blood results showed: April 26/16 Red Cells 1.67(RR: 5-10) Haematocrit 12.2(RR 30.0 - 45%) Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1) Reticulocyte10.31% (Not usually seen) WBC 4.9 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5) %Neutrophils45% %Lymphocytes40% %Monocytes 3% %Blasts 12% NRBC95/100 WBC (Normal is 0) So, looking at these results, I was initially concerned because of the slight slippage of the red cell count but then I realized that if you combine the red cells with the massive increase of nucleated red blood cells (95 per 100 WBC's) and also add the reticulocytes (an even more immature form of red cells), then we would actually be seeing a much much increased red cell count. (See the comments from the Pathologist, which follow, to see that he also has picked up on this.) I was also concerned about the drop in haematocrit but then I recognized that the red cells are becoming more normal in size (they were quite macrocytic in the last blood sample), so it would show a drop because it is machine calculation. I a
[Felvtalk] Part 2 of Tigger Update
But then - since there is such a stigma about Winstrol, I had to do my own research to find a source for it in the US. I found a place in Canada, but they were not allowed to sell to the US. My former vet's office said they could get it, and told me they were trying to locate it, but several days went by and when I would call they said, no they hadn't found any yet. I started calling LOCAL outlets, and no one had any or knew where I could get it. So, I did some internet research and found Diamondback Drugs in Arizona - they are a compounding pharmacy, and they had it. I contacted a local vet that I sometimes use and they called in a prescription that day. I still had to get it shipped from Arizona to Wisconsin, and they first had to compound the drug. I did not know if it would arrive in time, but they rushed it to me, and I started it immediately. I believe that was March 15th. Tigger's first blood test after about 2-3 weeks on Winstrol showed some progress, but the pathologist's note was still rather grim, calling it non-regenerative anemia. Amani has graciously helped and guided me on his path to recovery (hopefully) and she has been interpreting the bloodwork and offering me her expertise from when she treated her Zander. We just had more results a few days ago and two out three of his cell lines are improving and the third one is about the same, and it now appears that the anemia is regenerative. I do not know what all the results really mean but I cannot explain how grateful I am to have a person as knowledgeable as Amani on Tigger's side. We are also giving Tigger Prednisolone as well as Metoclopromide for digestion, and he has not needed a pain medication that he was taking (Buprenorphine) for over a month. I was syringe feeding him, and he has now started to eat on his own - he has been doing that for about 5 days now. He is eating over a can per day of the Hills Prescription A/D Urgent Care diet. Even his grooming has returned - before I was wiping him down with washcloths. While my current vet office has not really offered much in the way of suggestions, they have cooperated with my requests. Tigger still has a ways to go - he needs to put some weight back on - I do know this is going to be a long haul, but he is so worth it. He is feeling so much better, and he is playful and happy. He loves to have us take him outside for walks and to bite the bushes. And - I sort of take every day as it comes. One thing I do know for sure, is that without the Winstrol, we would have lost him for sure in March. I'm sorry I have not updated you sooner. More later, and thanks for asking! Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Thank you for the suggestion on the Metoclopromide, I will ask my vet about it next time we go in, or if his symptoms come back before that, he is on a 2 week steroid shot right now. He received it Monday, after the short acting one he got last Friday. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update Rachel, for what it's worth, I agree with Margo. The odds are that the steroids kicked in because they will (a) reduce the inflammation and (b) make him feel better (peppier) and thus he will be more interested in eating. Another suggestion is to get him on metoclopromide which helps increase peristaltic action, empty the stomach and move the food along the intestinal tract. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: April-27-16 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing > really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year > anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and > Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make > it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, > and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to > be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. > He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I > wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, > he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been really > good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them > into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip > them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and > coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 > and leave 1, then I have to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. > > He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. > > Marsha > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Sorry Marsha. I meant to say that the original lab tests came back on Tigger as NON-regenerative at first. Sorry for the confusion. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: April-28-16 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update Marsha When Ardy started Tigger on the Winstrol, his haematocrit was 6, and as she said in her post, it was certainly looking extremely grim at such critically low numbers. The blood panel also came back with a comment from the pathologist that the anemia was regenerative. He has been on the Winstrol for about a month now, and his haematocrit was 12 this past Friday. You probably know that PCV and haematocrit are similar tests which tell you pretty much the same thing about the number of red cells in a sample. Tigger's most recent results also showed a significant surge in nucleated red blood cells and reticulocytes , which are the precursor immature red cells which have not yet matured into their final form of a non-nucleated red cell. However, their presence in fact shows that the anemia is no longer non-regenerative because Tigger's bone marrow has started to produce red cells again. The bone marrow is pushing them out early because of the body's depleted red cell counts and that is why the immature forms are being seen in the circulating blood. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: April-27-16 9:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Brock update My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Marsha When Ardy started Tigger on the Winstrol, his haematocrit was 6, and as she said in her post, it was certainly looking extremely grim at such critically low numbers. The blood panel also came back with a comment from the pathologist that the anemia was regenerative. He has been on the Winstrol for about a month now, and his haematocrit was 12 this past Friday. You probably know that PCV and haematocrit are similar tests which tell you pretty much the same thing about the number of red cells in a sample. Tigger's most recent results also showed a significant surge in nucleated red blood cells and reticulocytes , which are the precursor immature red cells which have not yet matured into their final form of a non-nucleated red cell. However, their presence in fact shows that the anemia is no longer non-regenerative because Tigger's bone marrow has started to produce red cells again. The bone marrow is pushing them out early because of the body's depleted red cell counts and that is why the immature forms are being seen in the circulating blood. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: April-27-16 9:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Brock update My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Rachel, for what it's worth, I agree with Margo. The odds are that the steroids kicked in because they will (a) reduce the inflammation and (b) make him feel better (peppier) and thus he will be more interested in eating. Another suggestion is to get him on metoclopromide which helps increase peristaltic action, empty the stomach and move the food along the intestinal tract. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: April-27-16 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing > really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year > anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and > Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make > it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, > and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to > be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. > He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I > wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, > he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been really > good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them > into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip > them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and > coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 > and leave 1, then I have to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. > > He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed > the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged > nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is > anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph > node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, > and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. > > Marsha > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Thank you, I appreciate that more than you know, we need all the prayers we can get. Marsha please go online and read the reviews on Life Gold for Cat Cancer on Amazon and Pet Wellbeing, the latest post is Felv+ owner who has his babies on it just to prevent cancer. If you get it on Pet Wellbeing they offer a 90 day money back guarantee, so you don't really have anything to lose. If it gets Brock to eat and boosts his immune system, brings down the lymph nodes, that can only be good. Of course discuss with your vet since he is on other medications. Have you tried crushing his pills and dissolving them in a syringe of water? That is what I do for pills. And maybe you could put his food in a syringe with the potassium and give it that way? I am praying for you that it is not lymphoma, but if it is you will have someone on here who is going through it too. A little on Tucker. He is only two and a half years old, I brought him home as a stray from work. I have had him one and a half years. In that time we have gone through urinary infections, emergency catheters, and two PU surgeries that give him a wider opening so he doesn't block, the first surgery his opening closed completely, the second surgery left him with a very small opening, and it takes him a while to get his urine out. He can't have the surgery again because they have stretched the urethra really far. So after over $8,000.00, the constant fear of a blockage, and much stress and pain for both of us the new cancer diagnosis has been a big blow for me. I am very lucky I can bring him to work with me, he is sitting right in front my keyboard as I type this purring away, thankfully oblivious to all of his Mommy's fears, concerns and heartache. -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Rachel Dagner Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update It seems you are on the right track and keeping his feedings small will help also. I know my Harley who is not sick, just gulps down too much at one time and then up chucks has to get small amounts to prevent that. I also have a pot of lemon grass for the cats to munch on when their stomachs are upset.With all he has going on, he has a lot on his plate to deal with and other than the right medications, the greatest gift you can give him i love. mWill keep both of yu in my prayers. Rachel Dagner wrote: > My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an > X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids > but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the > food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back > up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high > calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on > YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some > research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over > night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he > is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even > his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of > eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to > upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding > and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma , I cried for three > days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality science cat cancer > kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to extend his time > and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like himself > again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing > > really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year > > anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and > > Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make > > it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 > > supplements, and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his > > appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his > > food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into > > the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. > > This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He > > has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle > > for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is balking at > > taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are already > > in pill pockets). I coax
[Felvtalk] Part 1 of Tigger update
Hi Jane, I haven't received any emails from the FeLV group either for a while. I am happy to report that Tigger is doing better than expected. I started him on Winstrol when it was "almost too late". I'm afraid my vets did some bloodwork, at my request, but didn't really explain the results to me. By the time they told me what the results meant, briefly, he was almost literally flat-lining as far as cell numbers. Some values were so low, they were not detectable by their equipment. It was at that point that I contacted Amani Oakley whom I met through this FeLV chat group and asked her if she thought now was a good time to start Tigger on Winstrol. She said yes, as you may have expected :). Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
Thinking of you and Brock. Katherine On Apr 27, 2016 11:55 PM, wrote: > It seems you are on the right track and keeping his feedings small will > help also. I know my Harley who is not sick, just gulps down too much at > one time and then up chucks has to get small amounts to prevent that. I > also have a pot of lemon grass for the cats to munch on when their stomachs > are upset.With all he has going on, he has a lot on his plate to deal > with and other than the right medications, the greatest gift you can give > him i love. mWill keep both of yu in my prayers. > > Rachel Dagner wrote: > > My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an > X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids > but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the > food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. > Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie > emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. > I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and > saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from > Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating > on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even his dry > food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of eating. I > am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to upset his > stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding and/or the > liquid gold. I hope it is not lympho > ma > > , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting > vitality science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I > hope to extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and > acting like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it > continues! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > > > > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing > really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year > anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and > Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to > the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has > been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little > off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally > catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full > when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about > taking his pills. He has always been really good about eating his pill > pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is > balking at taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are > already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have had to manually pill > him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have t > o > > give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he > wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his > supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to > eat his food to get it. > > > > > > He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet > confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were > enlarged nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning > he is anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a > lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is > lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Chemo was/Re: Brock update
I'm so sorry to hear all this possibly sad news.
I just wanted to comment on cancer treatment for animals. For our critters, the
chemo is tailored to prevent discomfort, not cause it. I am not trying to tell
anyone how to have their animals treated, but I would suggest discussing
options with your Vet, or if possible an IM specialist.
Perhaps two doses of the Life Gold herbal mixture did have an effect on
Tucker's illness, but I think it is more likely that the steroid kicked in. I
do believe that alternative medicine can be very helpful, but it is usually a
long term prospect. I worked with a TCM trained Vet, and she often used
allopathic meds when quick action was essential, then followed up with the
continuing holistic treatments.
Steroids can be very valuable when treating all kinds of things, particularly
prednisolone. They are part of many cancer protocols ("chemo"). For animals,
the goal is to balance Quality of Life with treating the cancer.
I have lived with many cats with cancer, from adenocarinoma to SCC. Some
responded well to treatment and surgery, some less so. But for all of them, my
goal was to give them the best life possible, for as long as possible.
Just my $.02
Margo
-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner
>Sent: Apr 27, 2016 10:35 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
>
>My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray
>which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he
>still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the food from
>passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then he
>totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie emergency
>food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I was syringe
>feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a lot of great
>reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got it yesterday
>and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and eating quite a
>bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I crunched up small. No
>regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving him a small amount
>each hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can
>try syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphom
a
> , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality
> science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to
> extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting
> like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote:
>>
>> My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really
>> great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of
>> being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart
>> Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark.
>> Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great.
>> About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he
>> would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that
>> gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his
>> dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He
>> has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me,
>> no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even
>> after I dip them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax
>> and coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 and
>> leave 1, then I have to
> give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants
> baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his
> supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat
> his food to get it.
>>
>> He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed
>> the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged
>> nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is
>> anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph
>> node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is
>> lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
It seems you are on the right track and keeping his feedings small will help also. I know my Harley who is not sick, just gulps down too much at one time and then up chucks has to get small amounts to prevent that. I also have a pot of lemon grass for the cats to munch on when their stomachs are upset.With all he has going on, he has a lot on his plate to deal with and other than the right medications, the greatest gift you can give him i love. mWill keep both of yu in my prayers. Rachel Dagner wrote: > My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray > which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he > still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the food > from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then > he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie > emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I > was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a > lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got > it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and > eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I > crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving > him a small amount each hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm > him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is > not lympho ma > , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality > science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to > extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting > like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really > > great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of > > being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart > > Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year > > mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing > > great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. > > Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally > > catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full > > when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about > > taking his pills. He has always been really good about eating his pill > > pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is > > balking at taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are > > already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have had to manually pill > > him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have t o > give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants > baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his > supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat > his food to get it. > > > > He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed > > the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged > > nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is > > anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph > > node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is > > lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. > > > > Marsha > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update
My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha wrote: > > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really > great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of > being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart Failure. > Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark. Brock is > on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great. About 2 weeks > ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his > food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the > garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past > Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been > really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them > into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip them in > wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have > had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have > to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. > > He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed > the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged > nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is > anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph > node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, > and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. > > Marsha > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Brock update
My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn. He has been doing really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart Failure. Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark. Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great. About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off. Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not. He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills. He has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them into his mouth. Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets). I coax and coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times. He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have to give that one manually. Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1. Now he wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later. He gets his supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to get it. He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam. The vet confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged nodes in the back leg area also. Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is anemic. It is non-regenerative. A needle aspiration was done on a lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow. My biggest fear is lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Merlot
So it has almost been 2 weeks since his scary crisis, we went in today to get another CBC to check on how things are doing. He's been off doxy since Wednesday morning, off Prednisolone since last Wednesday and the Cerenia stopped on Wednesday night. His WBC counts remain very low with no significant improvement, there is a tiny amount of improvement in some of the numbers. His RBC count remains normal (yay), but his temperature is a high-normal again. They've sent us home with an oral antibiotic and oral prednisolone for the next 10 days or so. I hope he continues to do okay. We just let him out of isolation, and he seems happy to be out, but it's going to be harder to monitor his eating now. We will have to see how things go I suppose. -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
The disclaimer is not bullet-proof, just like the Informed Consent form that you sign for medical procedures can be challenged. However, in the vet context, given how little value a court would place on a deceased cat, I would think it very unlikely that such a lawsuit would be viable. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-24-15 8:57 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio mailto:mde...@gmail.com>> wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>> > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > >> *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *T
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there. Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not to think about what was going to happen.) -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat thin
[Felvtalk] Fwd: Coco update
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Kelley S wrote: > I personally am extremely glad they are property. Otherwise some other > person who thinks they know better could decide Coco should be euthanized > because she is positive, could see my dog out running around in my yard and > think that is not good and take him and put him in their car and leave, > such things have already happened. I don't want a CPS like organization > deciding how my animals should be taken care of and when they should be > PTS. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:48 PM, wrote: > >> This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash >> box instead of the inbox. Is this hapening to anyone else? >> >> Kelley S wrote: >> > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a >> > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is >> > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue >> so... >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a >> > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that >> matter >> > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and >> > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an >> > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued >> very >> > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration >> for >> > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are >> still >> > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much >> different in >> > > the legal sphere. >> > > >> > > Amani >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On >> Behalf Of >> > > dlg...@windstream.net >> > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> > > >> > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER >> WHAT >> > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. >> > > >> > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: >> > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing >> > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but >> in >> > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is >> > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of >> a >> > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that >> > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to >> > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a >> two >> > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has >> > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was >> > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really >> > > > interested in hearing me out >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio >> > > > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing >> > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but >> > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat >> is >> > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less >> of >> > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs >> > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they >> > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative >> anemia! >> > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very >> > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've >> > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other >> > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley >> > &
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash box instead of the inbox. Is this hapening to anyone else? Kelley S wrote: > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in > > the legal sphere. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > dlg...@windstream.net > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > > interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be > > left with “what-ifs”. > > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Amani > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. Amani Oakley wrote: > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit > in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they > are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that > you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible > hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I > would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t > know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property > (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU > SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > wrote: > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > > >> with “what-ifs”. > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Amani > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > > >> > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > >> > &g
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in > the legal sphere. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > wrote: > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be > left with “what-ifs”. > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Amani > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > > >> > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > > >&
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. > >> He made a
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > is not really interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > > is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and > >> tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome > >> if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY > >> cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in > >> whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or > >> not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic > >> doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > >> Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they > >> said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me > >> and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets > >> in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst > >> themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future > >> treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with > >> the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told > >> him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but > >> no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I > >> want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop > >> up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to > >> us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told > >> him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is > >> necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to > >> change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be > >> unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group > >> because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. > >> > >> Ardy Robertson > >> > >> Osseo, WI > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio
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Remember, they as well as human doctors are being TOLD a bunch of lies by BIG pharmaceutical companies. If they don' tmake it they put it down. Only the ones I make are good. I get this all the time because I choose not to run to the doctor every time I get a scratch, hang nail, etc. I must go to the doctor every 3 months to make sure I do not get sick and then I do get sick. zi weill stick with my own meds, I stay well then Ardy Robertson wrote: > You took the words out of my mouth--- they are prepared to inject drugs > that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a > drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!! > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this > potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the > bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read > the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just > spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. > > > > And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug > but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that > they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not > prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya > D'Alessio > Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> > wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: > > Ardy – good for you! > > > > Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell > you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if > that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That > has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat > and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever > weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay > about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping > scandals). > > > > I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson > Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk
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Good for you Ardy. Please update us on what your vets say. - Lorrie - On 10-23, Ardy Robertson wrote: >I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but >they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one >talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would >like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or >talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my >Tigger's future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he >promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they >have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger's >bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results >so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not >lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of >promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to >impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he >deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am >willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, >but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change >their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be >unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group >because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same >opinion. > >Ardy Robertson > >Osseo, WI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You took the words out of my mouth--- they are prepared to inject drugs that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> > wrote: My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessa
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Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>> wrote: My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco up
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My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > is not really interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > >> Ardy – good for you! >> >> >> >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and >> tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome >> if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY >> cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in >> whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or >> not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic >> doping scandals). >> >> >> >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Ardy Robertson >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM >> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> >> >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they >> said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me >> and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets >> in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst >> themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future >> treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with >> the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told >> him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but >> no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I >> want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop >> up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to >> us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told >> him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is >> necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to >> change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be >> unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group >> because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. >> >> Ardy Robertson >> >> Osseo, WI >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> >> >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, wrote: >> >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY >> ARE VACCINATED. >> >> >> Kelley S wrote: >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one >> serviing
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Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S mailto:moonv...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S mailto:moonv...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, wrote: > tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY > ARE VACCINATED. > > Kelley S wrote: > > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest > of > > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first > and > > then let them in with the others. > > > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > > > Kelley > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Coco update
Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and then let them in with the others. I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
I tried to send another link to an interesting scientific study entitled “Winstrol-V (Stanozolol) Therapy and Nitrogen Retention in Dogs” by Olson ME, et. al. Unfortunately, for some reason I couldn’t send a link. Therefore, do a Google search by plugging in this title. Though it is a study in dogs, it summarizes the benefits of Winstrol in strengthening animals who have suffered from trauma, surgery or chronic conditions, and appended to it is the drug manufacturer’s summary of the effects of Winstrol and the conditions to use it for. Some of the quotes from the study are: “In situations such as surgical trauma, tissue-building action is desired, but appreciable weight gain is no. the increased retention of amino-acid-derived nitrogen without significant weight gain that was observed in this study demonstrates that Winstrol-V is an ideal therapeutic choice in those situations.” and “This study confirmed the tissue-building actions of Winstrol-V, which can benefit dogs with catabolic conditions, especially surgical trauma and chronic debilitating disease”. The drug information sheet includes some of the following quotes: “Winstrol-V Tablets are classified as ‘anabolic steroids’ because of their pronounced stimulatory effects on constructive metabolism. Stanozolol increases retention of nitrogen and minerals, reverses tissue-depleting processes, and promotes better utilization of dietary protein. Its anabolic effects lead to improvement in appetite, increased vigor, and notable gains in weight.” and “In a wide variety of tests in animals, Winstrol-V was shown to possess high anabolic potency, whereas its androgenic effect was very low. Extensive clinical investigations by veterinary practitioners have confirmed its anabolic action and therapeutic usefulness in dogs and cats.” Under “Indications” it states: “Anabolic therapy with Winstrol-V Tablets is indicated whenever excessive tissue breakdown or extensive repair processes are proceeding. Such processes usually diminish protein reserves in the tissues, thus leading to negative nitrogen balance. Winstrol-V is indicated to reverse tissue-depleting processes and restore constructive metabolism. Anabolic therapy is intended primarily as an adjunct to other specific and supportive therapy, including nutrition therapy. Optimal results can be expected only when dietary intake is adequate and well balanced. . . . Winstrol-V Tablets are indicated when the therapeutic objective is to improve appetite, promote weight gain, and increase strength and vitality. For these reasons, Winstrol-V is recommended for anorexia, unthriftiness, weight loss, debility, cachexia, inanition and poor hair coat when these accompany disease, trauma, or old age. Since certain skin conditions occurring in older dogs (alopecia and some types of eczema, for example) are caused by metabolic disorders based on negative nitrogen balance, Winstrol-V may help to control such conditions.” Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources I could send him to change his mind? On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Hi Maya The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update Does the winstrol work on the fever though? On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Maya No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we almost didn’t get him back. If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
Here is the excerpt from The Merck Veterinary Manual, in the chapter entitled “Drugs Acting on the Blood or Blood-forming Organs”: Anabolic steroids are compounds structurally related to testosterone that have similar protein-anabolic activity but minimal androgenic effects, such as masculinization. As part of their anabolic activity, these compounds increase the circulating RBC mass and possibly granulocytic mass. Clinical indications for use of anabolic steroids include chronic, nonregenerative anemias. Response to therapy is variable, and the time to clinical improvement is long, frequently ≥3 mo. The proposed mechanisms of action include increased ERP production via ERP-stimulating factor, differentiation of stem cells into ERP-stimulating factor-sensitive cells (eg, hemocytoblasts), and direct stimulation of erythroid-progenitor cells. The effect of anabolic steroids requires adequate ERP levels and sufficient cells in the bone marrow. Thus, the effectiveness of anabolic steroids in treating anemia may be limited, depending on the cause. Anabolic steroids can be divided into 2 categories depending on the presence or absence of an alkyl group at the 17-carbon position. They are available as oral and parenteral preparations, including oil-based products intended for slow release. The absorption and disposition of anabolic steroids depend on the type of preparation and the animal species. Most are eliminated after hepatic metabolism. The alkylated products are more effectively absorbed when given PO and are more effective stimulants of bone marrow. Alkylated anabolic steroids include oxymetholone (dogs and cats: 1–5 mg/kg, PO, every 18–24 hr). Nonalkylated anabolic steroids include nandrolone decanoate (dogs: 1–1.5 mg/kg, IM/wk; cats: 1 mg/kg, IM/wk; horse: 1 mg/kg, IM, once every 4 wk). Boldenone undecylenate is approved for horses at 1.1 mg/kg, IM, every 3 wk. Side effects of anabolic steroids include sodium and water retention, virilization, and hepatotoxicity. The alkylated products are more hepatotoxic than the non-alkylated products, particularly in cats. Cholestatic liver damage develops early and can be significant but frequently is reversible. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources I could send him to change his mind? On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Hi Maya The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update Does the winstrol work on the fever though? On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Maya No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we almost didn’t get him back. If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
My Google search also pulled up a textbook called “Feline Internal Medicine Secrets” by Michael R Lappin. On page 318, in the chapter entitled “Anorexia and Weight Loss”, Winstrol is listed as an “Appetite stimulating drug”. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources I could send him to change his mind? On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Hi Maya The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update Does the winstrol work on the fever though? On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Maya No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we almost didn’t get him back. If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources I could send him to change his mind? On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > Hi Maya > > > > The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest > of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the > fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Maya D'Alessio > *Sent:* October-20-15 8:03 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update > > > > Does the winstrol work on the fever though? > > On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > > Maya > > > > No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you > start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The > virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its > own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. > > > > Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal > haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. > That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and > seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious > illness and we almost didn’t get him back. > > > > If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone > marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to > reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to > repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive > measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears > that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Maya D'Alessio > *Sent:* October-19-15 11:19 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Merlot status update > > > > So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, > as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled > out. > > > > His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, > bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and > I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him > for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more > perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. > > > > The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen > cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in > first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will > make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to > try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two > antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
Hi Maya The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update Does the winstrol work on the fever though? On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Maya No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we almost didn’t get him back. If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
Does the winstrol work on the fever though? On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > Maya > > > > No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you > start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The > virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its > own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. > > > > Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal > haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. > That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and > seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious > illness and we almost didn’t get him back. > > > > If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone > marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to > reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to > repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive > measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears > that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Maya D'Alessio > *Sent:* October-19-15 11:19 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Merlot status update > > > > So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, > as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled > out. > > > > His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, > bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and > I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him > for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more > perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. > > > > The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen > cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in > first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will > make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to > try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two > antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
Hi Maya, Just my experience, but during Gribble's first crash (which brought his diagnosis) his fever went above 107. The only thing that brought it down was Ketoprofen. He got it daily for about a week. Many Vets don't use it for some reason (probably because of concerns about using NSAIDs in cats), but I have always had it available. My Vet had offered Metacam (which _I_ don't use) and she agreed to try the Ketoprofen. Something worked, but I can't swear what. I'm glad he's feeling better, that's always a good thing :)All the best,Margo-Original Message- From: Maya D'Alessio Sent: Oct 19, 2015 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert.The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).-- Maya D'AlessioPhD studentB1 377B, x32320Graduate Studies Endowment Fund CoordinatorBiology GSA Vice ChairGSA Director At-LargeUniversity of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
Maya No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol. Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we almost didn’t get him back. If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Merlot status update
So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert. The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone). -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ruthie Update
I look for different attitudes, limp, appetite, drinking and every day, each one gets a "massage" so I can check for new bumps, etc. Margo wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ruthie Update
There are no guarantees, but here is much hope. Stay on top of any "off" days, especially :)I get my interferon from Roadrunner Pharmacy;. https://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com/I get 20 mls of 120 unit per ml interferon alpha-B for about $45. That's 80 doses. This is for two cats. Dosing is 1/4 ml per cat per day, 7 days on, 7 days off. I think that's about $0.56 per dose. The bottle lasts me about three months, which is close to the expiration date, so 10 mls might be better for a single cat. It expires quickly, according to the Pharmacy.DMG I get different places, depending on what else I need, but that's not very pricey, either. Maybe someone else has a good source for that.Don't hesitate to ask questions, chances are someone here has been thru most of what you MAY see.HTH,Margo-Original Message- From: Christine Dundas Sent: Oct 8, 2015 8:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ruthie Update Thanks for your kind response and thoughts. I feel a little better knowing there is a chance Ruthie might live for several years. I am still learning how this group email works, so bear with me. I guess there is no way to respond inline, on the board itself. Ruthie is doing a little better, her fever has gone down. She is home now, but I'm bringing her back in for a check up. I asked my vet to look into immunotherapy, such as Interferon, and she said she would. She thought it might be expensive. I won't say money is not an issue, it is with everyone. But, we knew when we agreed to keep Ruthie, it might be a long road, and we accepted that responsibility. Thanks again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ruthie Update
> > Thanks for your kind response and thoughts. I feel a little better > knowing there is a chance Ruthie might live for several years.I am > still learning how this group email works, so bear with me. I guess there > is no way to respond inline, on the board itself. Ruthie is doing a little better, her fever has gone down. She is home now, but I'm bringing her back in for a check up. I asked my vet to look into immunotherapy, such as Interferon, and she said she would. She thought it might be expensive. I won't say money is not an issue, it is with everyone. But, we knew when we agreed to keep Ruthie, it might be a long road, and we accepted that responsibility. Thanks again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Congratulations! I will give a non eater anything it takes to get them to eat. Even getting chicken livers, putting them through the blender and spoon feeding, it it works, you are half way there. Amani Oakley wrote: > That is really good news. Keep up the good work. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Kelley S > Sent: October-03-15 11:36 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo > mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote: > . > > > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > >it." > > Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and > get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her > boss wants to deal with... > > Margo > > > > > > Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > >wrote: > >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > >> the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > >> find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish > >> you were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been > >> where you are, more times than I can count. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > >> On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby > >> food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive > >> me:() > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> > >> wrote: > >> Kelley > >> > >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > >> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > >> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > >> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > >> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > >> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > >> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need > >> to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – > >> chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or > >> she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it > >> easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to > >> digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. > >> But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> From: Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] > >> On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke > >> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did > >> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 > >> of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was > >> better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at > >> night. But he is very concerned. > >> > >> Kelley > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Amy, thanks for that bit of advice. So far Annie has not needed antibiotics, she just has problems adjusting to NOT being the only cat. Amy wrote: > I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat > with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is > meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that > is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most > vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will > tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd > always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not > trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! > Amy > From: Kelley S > To: felvtalk > Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a > high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell > opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I > would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her > strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She > is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the > bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. > She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she > did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say > he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no > one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Famciclovir Re: Coco update
Antibiotics do help for some URI’s and generally speaking, even if the original URI is viral in origin, a secondary infection will often set it and that will be bacterial. I don’t think Convenia is the be-all or end-all, but I find it is more a prophylactic back-up while you are treating other conditions. Moreover, as you have pointed out, it avoids yet another item which has to be orally administered, when you are having to give other medications and/or feeding by syringe, etc. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: October-03-15 7:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Famciclovir Re: Coco update Ask your Vet to call in a prescription for famciclovir. Antibiotics won't do much for a URI, but an anti-viral may be of help. I keep this on hand specifically for my + boys, and it's worked well. It's not cheap, but it can be a lifesaver. Hoping for the best. if she's eating the a/d, that's much denser and higher calorie than baby food, but whatever you can get into her is a plus. I've used rotisserie and KFC chicken, deli roast beef, ham, shrimp, sardines, and anthing else that works. We're not looking for balanced nutrition, we just want "calories in". All the best Margo -Original Message- From: Kelley S Sent: Oct 2, 2015 11:22 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update
Jane If you are brand new, as in the last few days, then you will not have read my previous posts about Winstrol. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid which I have had great success with, and it will help with things like the lethargy and the lack of appetite. Winstrol apparently used to be used rather frequently years ago, until suggestions of liver damage emerged. However, my research shows that any effect on the liver is usually transient with liver enzymes rising. But once the Winstrol is tapered off, the liver enzymes go back to normal and there is no evidence of lasting damage. Winstrol is rarely used now, and many vets may not be familiar with it. I believe it must usually be obtained from a compounding pharmacy by your vet. I will not go into all the detail of what my experience was with Winstrol, but I have found it to be extremely effective for cats with leukemia, as well as many other conditions in cats. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: October-03-15 11:49 AM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update I am new to the forum and I was wondering if anyone ever had a felv cat that had a fever, was lethargic and not eating well. No other symptoms. If so, how was it treated and was it successful. Jane - Original Message - From: Margo<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> To: Amy<mailto:awilkin...@yahoo.com> ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 8:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update Amy, I'm with you, but done is done. My biggest issue with long lasting drugs like this is that you can't take it back. If there's an adverse reaction, you're stuck with it, and the consequences. I will only use those if the critter has shown no problems with the drug before (kind of impossible with Convenia, as it doesn't come in another form, but I'd certainly try a short term cephalosporin first) or is feral and cannot be medicated. Some Vets seem to be quite enamoured with Convenia, and give it without asking, for very inappropriate reasons. I have NO CONVENIA on all my charts. Doesn't mean I won't allow it ever, but this makes them talk to me first... Margo -Original Message- From: Amy Sent: Oct 3, 2015 8:11 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! Amy From: Kelley S mailto:moonv...@gmail.com>> To: felvtalk mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
That is really good news. Keep up the good work. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-03-15 11:36 PM To: Margo; felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote: . > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it." Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her boss wants to deal with... Margo > Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> >wrote: >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the >> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find >> it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were >> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, >> more times than I can count. >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food >> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> >> wrote: >> Kelley >> >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell >> opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I >> would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her >> strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. >> She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run >> down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a >> long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving >> even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You >> can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of >> my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if >> I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a >> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you >> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me >> and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not >> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a >> can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better >> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. >> But he is very concerned. >> >> Kelley >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo wrote: > . > > > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > it." > > Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and > get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her > boss wants to deal with... > > Margo > > > > > > Amani Oakley wrote: > >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you > were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you > are, more times than I can count. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am > going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some > baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to > drive me:() > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > >> Kelley > >> > >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to > be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken > and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may > like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily > on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, > full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I > can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She > woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She > did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat > 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was > better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at > night. But he is very concerned. > >> > >> Kelley > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update
I am new to the forum and I was wondering if anyone ever had a felv cat that had a fever, was lethargic and not eating well. No other symptoms. If so, how was it treated and was it successful. Jane - Original Message - From: Margo To: Amy ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 8:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update Amy, I'm with you, but done is done. My biggest issue with long lasting drugs like this is that you can't take it back. If there's an adverse reaction, you're stuck with it, and the consequences. I will only use those if the critter has shown no problems with the drug before (kind of impossible with Convenia, as it doesn't come in another form, but I'd certainly try a short term cephalosporin first) or is feral and cannot be medicated. Some Vets seem to be quite enamoured with Convenia, and give it without asking, for very inappropriate reasons. I have NO CONVENIA on all my charts. Doesn't mean I won't allow it ever, but this makes them talk to me first... Margo -Original Message- From: Amy Sent: Oct 3, 2015 8:11 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! Amy From: Kelley S To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@f
[Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update
Amy, I'm with you, but done is done. My biggest issue with long lasting drugs like this is that you can't take it back. If there's an adverse reaction, you're stuck with it, and the consequences. I will only use those if the critter has shown no problems with the drug before (kind of impossible with Convenia, as it doesn't come in another form, but I'd certainly try a short term cephalosporin first) or is feral and cannot be medicated. Some Vets seem to be quite enamoured with Convenia, and give it without asking, for very inappropriate reasons. I have NO CONVENIA on all my charts. Doesn't mean I won't allow it ever, but this makes them talk to me first... Margo -Original Message- From: Amy Sent: Oct 3, 2015 8:11 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! Amy From: Kelley S To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley SSent: October-02-15 10:05 PMTo: felvtalkSubject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
. > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it." Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her boss wants to deal with... Margo > Amani Oakley wrote: >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the >> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find >> it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were >> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, >> more times than I can count. >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food >> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: >> Kelley >> >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell >> opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I >> would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her >> strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. >> She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run >> down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a >> long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving >> even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You >> can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of >> my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if >> I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a >> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you >> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me >> and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not >> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a >> can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better >> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. >> But he is very concerned. >> >> Kelley >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Famciclovir Re: Coco update
Ask your Vet to call in a prescription for famciclovir. Antibiotics won't do much for a URI, but an anti-viral may be of help. I keep this on hand specifically for my + boys, and it's worked well. It's not cheap, but it can be a lifesaver.Hoping for the best. if she's eating the a/d, that's much denser and higher calorie than baby food, but whatever you can get into her is a plus. I've used rotisserie and KFC chicken, deli roast beef, ham, shrimp, sardines, and anthing else that works. We're not looking for balanced nutrition, we just want "calories in".All the bestMargo-Original Message- From: Kelley S Sent: Oct 2, 2015 11:22 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:()On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Kelley He sounds quite wonderful, and a good vet on your side is so very critical. Hopefully he will go the extra mile to get you a few Winstrol tablets to get you started quickly, if there is a problem getting more. With the Convenia, Coco should be okay until tomorrow. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 11:44 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol. He's pretty agreeable. He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months. I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens after they tested pos. This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely euthanized. He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is asleep right now so I can't do anything. No car. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it. Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the > Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. > Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were > nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, > more times than I can count. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> > wrote: > Kelley > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam > environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to > rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up > their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge > you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and > appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is > experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me > and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not > have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can > of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off > with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he > is very concerned. > > Kelley > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol. He's pretty agreeable. He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months. I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens after they tested pos. This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely euthanized. He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is asleep right now so I can't do anything. No car. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, wrote: > I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > it. > > Amani Oakley wrote: > > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you > were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you > are, more times than I can count. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Kelley S > > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > > To: felvtalk > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am > going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some > baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to > drive me:() > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > Kelley > > > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to > be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken > and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may > like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily > on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, > full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I > can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S > > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > > To: felvtalk > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke > me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did > not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of > a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better > off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. > But he is very concerned. > > > > Kelley > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it. Amani Oakley wrote: > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the > Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. > Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were > nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, > more times than I can count. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > Kelley > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam > environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to > rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up > their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge > you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and > appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is > experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me > and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not > have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can > of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off > with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he > is very concerned. > > Kelley > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, more times than I can count. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
