Re: [Finale] Organ music page size

2010-07-03 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: And it's been obvious for years that Finale makes it TOO easy to reduce the size to get more systems on a page, You are hilarious, sometimes, John! Just how difficult should Finale make it to reduce the size? Should warning bells go off if the user selects too small a

Re: [Finale] Layout Question

2010-07-03 Thread Ray Horton
Blake Richardson wrote: I'm working with Finale 2009 on a Mac and I'd like to break a system with hash marks, like in the following example: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701/100039 (Click on the thumbnail and it will enlarge.) Probably a simple question and I've looked through the online manual.

Re: [Finale] Organ music page size

2010-07-03 Thread Ray Horton
I've just sent off a strongly worded complaint to Microsoft. In MSWord, it is simply too easy to shrink text down to 6 point size. As of now, some idiot and his idiot publisher could publish a novel using 6 point type, and this would be a terrible thing! I told MS that they should either

Re: [Finale] Rendering Garritan instruments to separate WAV files

2010-06-06 Thread Ray Horton
Aaron Sherber wrote: (This is where one of the listers -- I forget who -- jumps in and says that they have long used Finale as a word processor.) Not me - I haven't used a notation program as a word processor since Personal Composer. (I hope no former Personal Composer users were drinking

Re: [Finale] Rendering Garritan instruments to separate WAV files

2010-06-06 Thread Ray Horton
I use Finale for my demos, for the most part, because I never became fluent with sequencers and I constantly tinker with the notation of my files. I have done a bit of splitting and remixing in Audacity or ProTools, but prefer to keep thing in Finale. My 1 1/2 cents. RBH dhbailey wrote:

Re:[Finale] Finale 2011 Review

2010-06-04 Thread Ray Horton
Thanks, Jari! Excellent review. Good explanation of staff changes. I'll return to your review when Fin2011 arrives. Thanks for posting! Raymond Horton Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I've posted a Finale 2011 Review (with a few usage tips as well) on the Finale productivity tips

Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music

2010-05-29 Thread Ray Horton
This bad keyboardist votes for #1. #2 is difficult to decipher without repeated looks. RBH On May 28, 2010, at 7:47 AM, dc wrote: I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. This is a

Re: [Finale] O.T. Secco recitatives

2010-05-28 Thread Ray Horton
Mark D Lew wrote: On May 27, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Ray Horton wrote: I agree. I remember a music history teacher saying that Schoenberg taught film composers in LA, but I never came across names. I believe that Korngold and Waxman were students of his, but earlier, in Europe. I think you're

Re: [Finale] disappearing clef

2010-05-27 Thread Ray Horton
Aaron Rabushka wrote: In one of the scores I'm working with now I put a bass clef in the middle of the right hand for one of the piano parts. Often times I'll be looking it over and this clef has disappeared, showing the passage (correct but looking absurd) in the treble clef. Has any of you

Re: [Finale] O.T. Secco recitatives

2010-05-27 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: In addition to that, by the time The Fantasticks came out, there'd been decades of film music that consciously borrowed the most advanced musical techniques from avant garde composers. I am convinced that the fact that this music became part of the vocabulary of film

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
Mark D Lew wrote: On May 26, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Howell wrote: From what I can see, the new lyric features are more like playing catchup with Sibelius, although I can't make a side-by-side comparison. Infinite verses might better than Sibelius' limit of 5, for people doing hymn books.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
Andrew Moschou wrote: There is no limit! Who said there was? g Actually, some spy sib user brought it up, I believe... RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
dhbailey wrote: I was quite impressed with their mention of over 375 sounds from Garritan, until I actually looked at the PDF file which lists them all and over half of them are different percussion sounds or sound effects. Still no alto flute or bass flute in the list, but now there's a

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: Hardly a spy! I've monitored the FinaleList much longer than I've been on the SibList, since our Department adopted Finale before being forced to drop it when our students were ready to show up with new OSX computers. And I find the different discussions very

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
On my side - I keep one eye open for good reasons to start the Sib learning curve. So far, I haven't seen them. Could still happen, but not so far. RBH James Gilbert wrote: Ray Horton wrote: - actually David H. Bailey: When I started using Sibelius more intensely, I, too would often

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Speaking of postage and being non-US, I wonder what the Australian distributors will charge for this F2011 upgrade. We seem to pay significantly more over here for every upgrade. Matthew Yes, but in their defense I do imagine it's pretty expensive to have to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order

2010-05-26 Thread Ray Horton
Ryan wrote: Well, CDs and DVDs have to spin the opposite way just like water going down the drain, right? exactly Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Speaking of postage and being non-US, I wonder what the Australian distributors will charge for this F2011 upgrade. We seem to pay

Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?

2010-05-25 Thread Ray Horton
Lora Crighton wrote: --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Click on the video to see how lyric entry and spacing is improved. Does that seem like enough to you guys who do choral music? After many years of not bothering with the upgrades - I

Re: [Finale] O.T. Secco recitatives

2010-05-24 Thread Ray Horton
One thing that is always worth a giggle to me in the Wikipedia article is the reference to African-Americans - in CANADA. I suppose the politically-correct thing is to refer to geography rather than to race, but the race IS the issue here, not the geography. I hear people referring to

Re: [Finale] O.T. Musical Theater (was Secco recitatives)

2010-05-24 Thread Ray Horton
Ryan wrote: I love hearing these horror stories from musical theater. I'm getting ready to conduct Fiddler on the Roof and the director has told me he's considering putting the orchestra on stage (partly in the wings), so that we can become the wedding band at the end of Act I. I don't like the

Re: [Finale] Finale Poll (X-posted)

2010-05-02 Thread Ray Horton
Ditto. I've tried rits and accels once or twice, each new version. I always end up putting in my own with hidden MM marks or whatever. The shapes are not intuitive. Raymond Horton James Cooper wrote: I use it occasionally, usually for a ritard. Then I usually get frustrated because I

Re: [Finale] Triple time (was Tuplets Default)

2010-05-01 Thread Ray Horton
I agree with you, Christopher. I'm not certain if I was ever more than approximating on the tuplet version. I may have had it cold, but it didn't feel cold. I could bring the 12/8 version to a rehearsal to ask someone else to play - I wouldn't want to bring the other one in. But, I

Re: [Finale] OT: dynamic range for musical anvils?

2010-04-27 Thread Ray Horton
I feel obligated to point to a Beatles novice that, although this song comes from one of the greatest pop albums of all time (Abbey Road), this song often shows up on lists as one of the Beatles worst. Bob Morabito wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESwtizE0l5U On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:13

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Ray Horton
Christopher Smith wrote: You can use a Bb major key signature (hold note to same pitch so they don't tranpose up a m3!) which might mess up your minor-mode enharmonic defaults, but that is easy enough to fix. C. On Tue Apr 20, at TuesdayApr 20 7:59 PM, Ryan wrote: I've forgotten the cure

Re: [Finale] Can you identify these Harold Arlen incipits?

2010-04-08 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: Image here: http://dfenton.com/images/ArlenIncipits.png This has stumped a number of people. Do any of you recognize either or both? I looked at the verses and choruses of all of the 75+ songs in my copy of the _Harold Arlen Songbook_ (Hal Leonard), plus a few

Re: [Finale] TAN: minor, now major (well, maybe sergeant- major) rant

2010-04-01 Thread Ray Horton
Hey, guys, wait at least a week or two before you scare him off! RBH Randolph Peters wrote: Oh boy. I hope this won't get ugly, because we all need a lot of good will between Finale users and MakeMusic. Justin, you might not realize it, but you just pored gas over a burning fire. If any

Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale

2010-03-20 Thread Ray Horton
This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows to recognize or find the newest version of Finale. Raymond Horton Bernard Savoie wrote: I haven't seen an answer posted to your query apart from Christopher Smith's suggestion. So here is a way to get a little bit of

Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale

2010-03-20 Thread Ray Horton
be helpful in sharing files with others but annoying otherwise. So, is Finale's unistall safe, now? Or is Windows remove programs? RBH David W. Fenton wrote: On 20 Mar 2010 at 13:48, Ray Horton wrote: This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows

Re: [Finale] OT: blowing air through brass instruments

2010-03-15 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 10:58 AM -0400 3/15/10, dhbailey wrote: timothy.price wrote: As radical an idea as actual experimentation may be, I tried it on my trumpet, and by gosh, you get a much louder sound using the reversed mouthpiece. Imagine that ! But you also get a different timbre, so

Re: [Finale] glissando marking, also merging

2010-03-14 Thread Ray Horton
dershem wrote: On 3/14/2010 10:03 AM, Katherine Hoover wrote: Dear Finale List Working on a mac OSX, Finale 2004. The glissando marking comes with the wordglissando running up its back. How can I get rid of the word? Or is there another way to mark a gliss? Also - I received no answer about

Re: [Finale] combining files

2010-03-14 Thread Ray Horton
Excellent instructions, Noel. I would add one thing: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: When files contain lyrics, I have had the best luck when I did not try to merge the lyrics by this method. Based upon my experience, if I were called upon to do this, between step 2 and 3 above, I would delete all

Re: [Finale] OT: blowing air through brass instruments

2010-03-12 Thread Ray Horton
Darcy is correct, both about the ability to make sounds through a brass instrument with air, when one desires to, and about the probable intent of the trumpet player in question. Back when the Louisville Orchestra was in the forefront of performance of new music for orchestra (days past,

Re: [Finale] OT: blowing air through brass instruments

2010-03-12 Thread Ray Horton
dershem wrote: Seriously, though, the limits depend on the player. I can recall seeing Bill Watrous speak through his trombone. cd None of these effects are as resonant as actually _playing_ the instrument, though, and can fool the player, and possibly the conductor, as to how far the

Re: [Finale] OT: blowing air through brass instruments

2010-03-12 Thread Ray Horton
dershem wrote: Seriously, though, the limits depend on the player. I can recall seeing Bill Watrous speak through his trombone. cd .. That could be fun, but Bill did more of a ... controlled vowel movement, changing the timbre of the sounds he played to sound like speech. He was

Re: [Finale] Any Euphonium Players out there?

2010-02-10 Thread Ray Horton
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hi ... I own a Wilsun Euphonium (Canadian Brass Edition) finished in Silver. Is there a polish you can recommend to take a few spots off of the surface? I'm assuming it is in fact a silver finish, not nickel plated ... Thanks, Dean Estabrook Hagerty Silver Spray

Re: [Finale] Any Euphonium Players out there?

2010-02-10 Thread Ray Horton
Dean, how do you like that horn? I got to try one, when the CB had only two left to sell, back in 1995. I was interested in it for a handicapped student I had who couldn't use his left arm, but the parents balked at the price, even though the CB was giving me a good one. Now I am interested

Re: [Finale] Any Euphonium Players out there?

2010-02-10 Thread Ray Horton
CB sold this horn, made by Willson, and then a non-comp American-type euphonium made by Getzen. Both with the CB name on them. Probably no model number needed. Yours was sold for only a short time. Let me know if you want to sell it! Ray Horton Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I love the horn

Re: OTissimo[Finale] Any Euphonium Players out there? now CB Euph

2010-02-10 Thread Ray Horton
: [Finale] Any Euphonium Players out there? BTW, I found the Willson inscription on a valve casing ... so I guess it's the real Mc Coy, er Mc Willson ... Dean On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Ray Horton wrote: Dean, how do you like that horn? I got to try one, when the CB had only two left to sell

Re: [Finale] OT Lassus font and Mac OS X

2010-02-05 Thread Ray Horton
So, does this Lassus font have really great glissando markings, or what? (Hey, a lot of trombone players on here, and one of us had to ask.) Raymond Horton Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: That's the same one I have installed. Thanks. Harold At 15:13 + 05/02/10, mmathew1...@comcast.net

Re: [Finale] OT Lassus font and Mac OS X

2010-02-05 Thread Ray Horton
Sorry you missed the joke. Ask a trombone player, I guess. RBH Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: No, and it is not intended to for score writing. Its purpose is to insert music symbols into a regular text document, as text. Harold At 14:15 -0500 05/02/10, Ray Horton wrote: So, does this Lassus

Re: [Finale] OT Novice Question

2010-01-28 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 11:55 PM -0500 1/27/10, Ray Horton wrote: Really, now, how many legit' sax players do you have around V. Tech, anyway? Most of them. Our sax professor is straight classical, and when we had a jazz sax teacher on the faculty (whom we lost during the first state

Re: [Finale] OT Novice Question

2010-01-27 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 9:12 AM -0800 1/27/10, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Can writing Falls for Saxes be as effective as for brass? Dean Yes, absolutely, if they understand jazz style. Legit players wouldn't have a clue. But it's a little more difficult to taper them off. John Once

Re: [Finale] Symbol for cut measure numbers

2010-01-18 Thread Ray Horton
I would suggest numbering all of the measures around the cut. I think the arrow could help, also. RBH Jari Williamsson wrote: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: The measure number has no particular significance other than being the address (to borrow a computer term) of the measure. The only

Re: [Finale] maximum verses between staves in hymns

2010-01-13 Thread Ray Horton
Rich Caldwell wrote: To those with experience in setting hymns: I'm setting a hymn with 6 verses. I'm not terribly familiar with the conventions — what would be a good limit to the number of verses between the treble bass clefs in a system? They want all the verses to be in the music, not

Re: [Finale] minimum font size for lyrics in score?

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Horton
I agree with you 100%, Mark. Raymond Horton Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC On the larger question, I am generally of the opinion that lyrics are always printed too small. Obviously that rule can't be taken to the extreme, but I almost never see lyrics that are bigger than they

Re: [Finale] minimum font size for lyrics in score?

2010-01-12 Thread Ray Horton
piece that I conduct, which is impractical, mostly I just squint, guess, and smile. Ray Horton wrote: I agree with you 100%, Mark. Raymond Horton Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC On the larger question, I am generally of the opinion that lyrics are always printed too small

Re: [Finale] OT Trb. Info

2010-01-11 Thread Ray Horton
No problem, Deen. Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Thanks Ramond ... will do. Dean On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Ray Horton wrote: Try: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds Only horns there in your price range right now are single valve, but it gets updated on Mondays. Raymond Horton Bass

Re: [Finale] OT Trb. Info

2010-01-10 Thread Ray Horton
Try: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds Only horns there in your price range right now are single valve, but it gets updated on Mondays. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Any of you folks have a line on a decent used Bass Bone (just missed

Re: [Finale] File will not print

2010-01-02 Thread Ray Horton
I was just going to suggest that. I have had the same thing happen - I know in 2010, can't remember if it happened in 2009 also. Some parts or score will set their copies to zero with no help from me. It's dumbfuddling - clicking print, no response. Raymond Horton Lee Dengler wrote: I

Re: [Finale] 2-Up Printing in Fin08 (or later?)

2009-11-10 Thread Ray Horton
Robert Patterson wrote: I haven't used Finale's two up printing in a while. Is it me or has MM completely f@@!ed it up? If I set the page size to the 2-up size, it gives me a whiny message about the page size not matching the Finale page, then doesn't print anything useful at all. If I set it to

Re: [Finale] Playback question

2009-11-04 Thread Ray Horton
Dean, if you are using GPO and/or Human Playback, you may have to edit the playback window to incorporate the midi commands. HP may be ignoring them. If you can't find what I mean I'll dig in myself and get more location-specific. I haven't tried setting velocities to zero in years,

[Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes

2009-10-29 Thread Ray Horton
Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass,

Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes

2009-10-29 Thread Ray Horton
. Now my only problem is the lack of a KS bass trombone (or tuba) patch in GPO4. I'll use a workaround. Thanks! RBH dhbailey wrote: Ray Horton wrote: Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones

Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes

2009-10-29 Thread Ray Horton
now work (yea!) but the mute and open do not. Even the expressions that sometimes worked before now work less often. Same GPO patches in both files! I can switch them manually in the Aria Player, but, well, that misses the point entirely. Very strange. Raymond Horton Ray Horton wrote

Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes

2009-10-29 Thread Ray Horton
OK, when I load new staves and patches for the brass, the keyswitches work OK. Something had gotten fouled up with the old ones. Easily replaced. Thanks, David. RBH Ray Horton wrote: Hmm, I spoke too soon. When I created a new file using staves with GPO4 sounds, the supplied

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread Ray Horton
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Breaking News! I just downloaded the updater and completed the installation in about 6 min. Things are looking up .. Dean O OK - here's a question for all of you folks that seem to know what goes on inside his magic metal box: I DL'd the update the first day -

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Oct 2009 at 19:10, Ray Horton wrote: Should I run the huge Tuesday update or DL the new, lean, Thursday update and run it instead? Or are they the same file? I would say that it's 99.99% sure that it's the same file, and the only difference

Re: [Finale] Re: pieces or sig. excerpts based on one or two chords

2009-10-07 Thread Ray Horton
steves...@aol.com wrote: Doesn't the Brahms Requiem finish one movement with a huge fugue section that is essentially a D chord? -Steve S NYC Here is a link to the score of that movement on the IMSLP.org site. It has a very long D pedal point, starting at meas. 173 - page 110, (bass

Re: [Finale] TAN: pieces or sig. excerpts based on one or two chords

2009-10-06 Thread Ray Horton
Beatles Tomorrow Never Knows (Lennon-McCartney, actually just Lennon). On the Revolver LP. It's always described as having only one chord (C) but I always have heard it as an implied C Bb C progression. Raymond Horton Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Can anyone recommend some works or

Re: [Finale] Trumpet question

2009-09-23 Thread Ray Horton
That recording is very interesting, Kim. An Archiv 45 single! I think the recorder is much closer to the mic than the trumpet (and everybody else, for that matter) - it has an unusual presence. I hope I can find an old 78 set I have, somewhere, of a Brandenburg 2nd that is a period

Re: [Finale] smallest notebook for Finale?

2009-09-20 Thread Ray Horton
Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: Ray Horton To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: [Finale] smallest notebook for Finale? What's

Re: [Finale] Printing menu options for Choral - collate for 11x17 double sided

2009-09-07 Thread Ray Horton
What I do in that case is turn it into 8 pages - add a title page before page 1 and a blank page after the last page. (Remove the page number from the back page if you want.) Then I print pages: 8,1 6,3 then flip them and print 2,7 4,5 If you don't want to add the title just add two blank

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide NOW Language for terms

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
We really ought to get into the habit of changing the subject line. I imagine that more than a couple of Finale users here have been deleting the Ophecleide messages but might wish to participate in this thread. I would have thought that Italian terms would communicate the most, esp. in

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
The D trumpet would give a smaller sound (contrasting to the C or Bb trumpets), would make the high notes more secure, but would not give the characteristic cornet timbre. One popular instrument for the more exposed and difficult cornet parts is a Cornet in C. It's often used on Prokofiev

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide NOW Language for terms

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
Andrew Stiller wrote: Just a reminder to all: In Spanish ... clavicordio means square piano. Man! Knowing that could have saved me thousands in medical bills the last tine I was in Mexico. My humblest of apologies, Raymond Horton ___

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
Oh, David, please read the thread before you keep at this! If you had then you would know, by now, that the term ophecleide came to be attached to a valved brass instrument by 1850, so this Modern Ophecleide is certainly in that tradition. My informed guess is that the 1850 creature had a

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
of these parts, and ophecleide players just are not out there on the streets clambering to get in. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Sep 2009 at 16:10, Ray Horton wrote: Oh, David, please read the thread before you keep at this! If you had then you

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: ... ajr who still thinks that Landowska's Bach is some of the best on record I suppose the point, about Landowska's metal harpsichord, is that it was at least heard before it is judged. I am sure there are some real differences in piano construction between

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
My one performance foul-up with a Graingerism involved reading an MS transcription of some short, soft band piece for orchestra. I was playing a euphonium solo, and at the end it had the indication slow off but the last ff was a bit detached from the slow o. I started to read the ff as a

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
Pianoforte and Fortepiano were both used as early names for the invention, soon shortened to piano for general use. Fortepiano has come into use in recent decades to distinguish an early instrument or reproduction. The name piano persisted from soon after invention to present day, as I said,

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-09-01 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Sep 2009 at 21:22, Ray Horton wrote: Pianoforte and Fortepiano were both used as early names for the invention, soon shortened to piano for general use. Fortepiano has come into use in recent decades to distinguish an early instrument or reproduction

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-08-31 Thread Ray Horton
wrote: From: dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:37 AM Ray Horton wrote: [snip] The most astounding conclusion/discovery of Meucci, to me, is that in Verdi's famous 1871 letter prior

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-08-31 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 29 Aug 2009 at 23:19, Ray Horton wrote: I think this instrument might be an excellent solution to a long-time problem. The tuba is an imperfect substitute for an ophicleide, but a real ophicleide is not necessarily a good modern solution, soundwise

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-08-30 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 11:19 PM -0400 8/29/09, Ray Horton wrote: John Howell wrote: Nothing wrong with inventing new instruments, but one should avoid using the names of older instruments for them! You mean like the cornet? Well, at least that was a direct and one-to-one replacement

Re: [Finale] Problem with Transposing Instruments

2009-08-29 Thread Ray Horton
We should nag Finale to give us a choice. with Speedy and transposing instruments. I, like many, would like to play/hear a concert pitch note and have the transposed note appear. That's the way I think. There might even be a third preference. Some might like to play the transposed

Re: [Finale] OT: Ophecleide

2009-08-29 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 7:29 PM -0400 8/28/09, Glen Daum wrote: For whatever it's worth, I feel obliged to report that I heard Kyle Turner play the ophecleide a couple of weeks ago in a performance with the American Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Leon Botstein at Bard College, in a

Re: [Finale] OT: cimbasso

2009-08-28 Thread Ray Horton
times to keep tuba players out of Verdi's pit possibly should be used to get them back in, with a smaller tuba. Ray Howard Weiner wrote: At 19:15 27.08.2009 -0400, Ray Horton wrote: Two separate instruments were developed in the latter 1800s - the BBb slide contrabass trombone for Wagner

Re: [Finale] Problem with Transposing Instruments

2009-08-28 Thread Ray Horton
Let's see -. not sure just what the problem here is. Entering notes - you are playing concert pitch, but you want it to show up on the score as printed for Bb Clarinet, correct? Yes, this situation has existed for years, Finale thinks we prefer it this way. It thinks we want to enter in

Re: [Finale] OT: cimbasso

2009-08-28 Thread Ray Horton
...@online.de Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: cimbasso To: finale@shsu.edu, finale@shsu.edu Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 3:15 PM At 07:32 28.08.2009 -0400, Ray Horton wrote: As long as we are this far OT, Howard, to me, according to Meucci, the real kicker is that, in Verdi's suggestion

Re: [Finale] OT: cimbasso

2009-08-28 Thread Ray Horton
to give (well, sell) a modern performer a New Ophecleide. RBH Ray Horton wrote: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: Wow! I had not seen that!Another new instrument designed to go back in time, just like all of the contemporary 'cimbassi.' According to my pidgin German and an auto

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass

2009-08-28 Thread Ray Horton
But these were not what you described before, Andrew. These are contrabass trombones in BBb (and one in F) made to play Wagner, etc. Not suitable for everyday use, not versatile, not the instrument for your utopian brass section. Use it only if you have at least four trombonists. The

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?

2009-08-27 Thread Ray Horton
Our first trumpet player plays a posthorn on occasion, and gets a very dark sound on it - it has a very large bore in comparison to it's length - as opposed to a D trumpet. The player that chose a D trumpet probably did so for intonation or comfort, but probably not for timbre. Actually,

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?

2009-08-27 Thread Ray Horton
I forget - in what key is that (Mahler 3 posthorn solo) passage? arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: You could still tell it was a D trumpet and not something more mellow. I don't know if it was the player's choice or the conductors's. ajr ___

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?

2009-08-27 Thread Ray Horton
, as it appears in the first trumpet part. Dalvin Boone -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Horton Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:44 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? I forget - in what

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass now trombones

2009-08-27 Thread Ray Horton
the name and function are muddied a bit. Purists may want to call this a modern F bass trombone but that will confuse everyone else. I hope to get to try one of these out in a few months.) Links: Andrew Stiller wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Ray Horton wrote: Andrew suggests

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass

2009-08-27 Thread Ray Horton
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: So is the advantage to writing for a contrabass trombone one of range, or strictly one of timbre? Just looking through the Ring Cycle it doesn't look like the contrabass goes down any lower than the regular bass. I understand thet IU had two contrabass bones, both of

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass

2009-08-26 Thread Ray Horton
Andrew suggests: contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger) Just what do you mean, Andrew? Do you mean a contrabass trombone in BBb, same pitch as a BBb tuba, but with two valves? Not made - no valves, or one valve only. Either way, the contrabass slide trombone

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?

2009-08-26 Thread Ray Horton
The Mahler posthorn solo is actually labeled 'flugelhorn' in the part. RBH arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: ...Also, the flügelhorn often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd, and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is sometimes used. ajr

Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass

2009-08-26 Thread Ray Horton
I agree to most of what you say, Jim, except for #1. I am sure that cimbasso was not on Andrew's mind. Cimbasso is not a versatile instrument, the sound is a specialized one, and yes, I do own own one - a Cervany bass trombone sized straight model in F. Perfect for the lighter cimbasso

Re: [Finale] O.T. Proper spelling for Chalumeau(x)

2009-08-25 Thread Ray Horton
Well. no one else has supplied this, so it is up to me: The only workable plural of chalumeau is clarinets. Raymond Horton Pierre Bailleul wrote: The correct plurial of chalumeau (all names in au and eau) is chalumeaux. Pierre. - Original Message - From: Kim Patrick Clow

Re: [Finale] 18th Century Horn question

2009-08-24 Thread Ray Horton
I think alto clef could be quite confusing to even experienced horn players. Treble (in D) in the score and parts, with a note in score, and alternate parts in F, would cover everything required of a performing and scholarly edition. RBH Lawrence Yates wrote: I think that was the point I

Re: [Finale] 18th Century Horn question

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
in the samples I provided, the first note of the horn part was G. Turns out the horns were in G. Thanks Kim On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, dhbaileydhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: Ray Horton wrote: I agree 100% that the score and parts should be written in original notation

Re: [Finale] 18th Century Horn question

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
Hmm. What sort of reputation does Hinshaw have in this area? Interesting, though. Martin Banner wrote: I have a modern edition (published by Hinshaw Music) of Credo in D a 8 by Giacomo Puccini senior, the great great grandfather of the famous opera composer of the same name (1712-1781),

Re: [Finale] 18th Century Horn question

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
. If you click on the second link down below, you can go directly to a listing of my editions in the Hinshaw site. Same for Alliance and Colla Voce, the first three links below in my signature. Martin On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Ray Horton wrote: Hmm. What sort of reputation does Hinshaw

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
We performed and recorded a couple of David Baker pieces in the LO back in 1974.Great guy. John Howell wrote: At 2:54 PM -0400 8/21/09, David W. Fenton wrote: Certainly, French music printing in the early 18th century (for example) is very elegant and easy to read from, but a lot of MSS

Re: [Finale] 18th Century Horn question

2009-08-20 Thread Ray Horton
I agree 100% that the score and parts should be written in original notation, substituting mainly treble clef, BUT: I am confused. The two PDFs Kim posted, (if they are score and part for the same measures), are obviously written for horn in A. Are we discussing two different sections of

Re: [Finale] Finale 2010

2009-08-04 Thread Ray Horton
Garritan. I wish I could tell you EXACTLY how to get there but it's been a while and I've forgotten. Maybe you've solved it already. John John Armstrong University of Ottawa jarms...@uottawa.ca Check out my web page at http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~jarmstro! On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Ray Horton wrote: I

Re: [Finale] unwanted .mus

2009-07-31 Thread Ray Horton
I understood Noel - it was not difficult. RBH noel jones wrote: I don't think that there was a point...I can only blame this on taking Benadryl and then typing. noel On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:41 PM, James Gilbert wrote: And the point? I don't get it. All that comes to mind is the implication

Re: [Finale] Finale 2010

2009-07-26 Thread Ray Horton
I was having some problems with Finale Windows 2110 and playback. Right now I have none, either from Garritan or midi, and have returned to 2009b until I get some time to mess with 2110 some more. I liked many of the new features, though! Such as the ability to import any type of graphic

Re: [Finale] Grace note not staying

2009-07-26 Thread Ray Horton
George, Actually, I have had the problem before, and your asking about it made me search out a solution. So, thank you! Ray George Ports wrote: Your suggestion work perfect. Thank you so much Raymond. This has been a long time problem. George - Original Message - From: Ray

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