David W. Fenton schrieb:
And you have the nerve to accuse *me* of being an asshole!
What?
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David W. Fenton / 2005/08/11 / 09:23 PM wrote:
No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by
the mailing list server.
I really didn't want to get into this thread, but this has to stop. The
private email from you clearly shows you have Reply-To header which
coincides with
On 12 Aug 2005 at 10:12, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
David W. Fenton / 2005/08/11 / 09:23 PM wrote:
No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by
the mailing list server.
I really didn't want to get into this thread, but this has to stop.
The private email from you clearly
Darcy James Argue schrieb:
In that case, then you are one of maybe three people on the entire
Finale list who is sending properly formatted email messages -- at
least by your definition.
And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you
actually want double messages,
David W. Fenton schrieb:
Well, that's their choice, now isn't it?
Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by
suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations?
What does it cost you to agree that cutting quotations to the minimum
is A Good Thing? Or
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people
reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was
configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the
list (which it
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On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Darcy James Argue schrieb:
And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you
actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you, Darcy) will
get double messages from me.
Actually, he need not get double
Brad Beyenhof schrieb:
I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email I
send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with avoid
duplicates turned on I never get more than one of each message.
No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply
At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply
to your message only the finale address is put into the To field, not
yours.
Right. Mailman is adding 'Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu'.
With David's emails to the list are
In my message mailman should have read Gmail, I think it is clearer
then. We agree I believe.
Johannes
Aaron Sherber schrieb:
At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply
to your message only the finale address is
At 11:31 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
In my message mailman should have read Gmail, I think it is clearer
then. We agree I believe.
Ah, yes -- thanks for clarifying.
Aaron.
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Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I just wished Thunderbird would support selective quoting (where you
select something in the original message, click Reply, and only that
portion is quoted at the beginning of the reply message).
Thunderbird is a great email client, but this is a huge step back from
On 11 Aug 2005 at 8:44, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the
replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with
getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to
header when you send to the list, to make my
On 11 Aug 2005 at 6:17, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Darcy James Argue schrieb:
And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless
you actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you,
Darcy) will get double
PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the
replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with
getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to
header when you send to the list, to make my life easier.
Take it up with the list owner.
On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:41, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Brad Beyenhof schrieb:
I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email
I send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with avoid
duplicates turned on I never get more than one of each message.
No, mailman is
At 03:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
Just to clarify: the two addresses are not put there by *me*. When I
send to the list, there's only one address in the Reply-To header, my
own.
Right. As I've explained before, Mailman adds the finale@shsu.edu to
any existing Reply-To header.
I
At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
I' not sure I quite understand how the list software can address
that, as it isn't processing the header -- the sender's SMTP server
is doing it.
Right. If you have 'avoid' set to Yes, what Mailman does is look to
see if you are explicitly named in
On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:49, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
But the problem is not caused by *me* -- it's caused by an incorrect
configuration of the mailing list software.
Well, it's caused by a certain setting in the software which would
arguably be
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb:
Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what I've
found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005:
Wow, this is turning into a research project.
Anyway, I feel there is enough justification that those who have
reply-to headers in their mail to
David W. Fenton schrieb:
Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the
configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured
mailing list.
I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a reply-to header
that you _want_ it to be replied to? So, unless you want
On 12 Aug 2005 at 0:54, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
David W. Fenton schrieb:
Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the
configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured
mailing list.
I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a reply-to
header
On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:01, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb:
Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what
I've found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005:
Wow, this is turning into a research project.
Anyway, I feel there is enough justification
On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It causes problems in one of two ways:
1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to
remove the extra address when replying, OR
2. it inconveniences the person lists in the Reply-To along with the
list, by causing
Does anyone think that's a good idea?
Anyone?
Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner and let's
move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed about quoting aren't we.
Simon Troup
Digital Music Art
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On 11 Aug 2005 at 16:42, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It causes problems in one of two ways:
1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to
remove the extra address when replying, OR
2. it inconveniences the person
On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:06, Simon Troup wrote:
Does anyone think that's a good idea?
Anyone?
Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner
and let's move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed
about quoting aren't we.
Well, given how much difficulty
At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent
by me.
Yes, it is.
My message to the list is correct in having my email address in the
Reply-To field.
Having the same address in a Reply-To header as in your From header
is
At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can also
set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . .
No, the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addresses,
and the problem is *not* a duplicate address -- it's
On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:51, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent
by me.
Yes, it is.
No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by
the mailing list server.
My message
On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:59, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can
also set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . . No,
the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addresses,
Colleagues,
May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more
selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as
long as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes
on.
Thanks.
Andrew
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On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:08, Andrew Levin wrote:
May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more
selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long
as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on.
Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a
Andrew,
While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually
all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list
managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else
subscribes to the digest. What possible advantage does the digest
have
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:24, Darcy James Argue wrote:
While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually
all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list
managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else
subscribes to the digest. What
On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
In the last couple of weeks, this list has generated around 75-100
messages a day. if you have new mail notification turned on in your
email client (and there are good reasons to do so), that would been
75-100 notices for non-urgent messages.
I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people
reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was
configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the
list (which it isn't), digest subscribers _still_ wouldn't see many
responses to their
David W. Fenton schrieb:
Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets in
for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* the
quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to completely
ignore what is quoted below.
While I don't like top posting
At 05:52 PM 08/10/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts
to include both the list and the original poster's address.
No it doesn't. (It does this when I reply to _you_ for some
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people
reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was
configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the
list (which it isn't), digest
On 11 Aug 2005 at 0:06, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
David W. Fenton schrieb:
Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets
in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above*
the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to
completely ignore
On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by
suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations?
Well, I can't think of any reason why I would want to do that, which
is why _I never said that._
What
At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as
every properly formatted email message should).
Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight g:
RFC822 explicitly states that the Reply-To header is optional.
On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the
quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is
necessary to provide context.
I don't mind top-posting *too* much, but it does remind me of a joke
I once picked
Top posting
On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the
quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is
necessary to provide context.
I don't mind top-posting *too* much, but it does remind me of
On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:38, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The Digest obviously works for many people or they wouldn't
subscribe to it.
That's what we usually call a tautology, David.
Well, I provided a justification for why one would subscribe
On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:46, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as
every properly formatted email message should).
Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight g:
RFC822 explicitly states that the
On 10 Aug 2005, at 8:03 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
You responded
only to the latter, ignoring the major benefit in order to be insular
and tell us how great your own email client is.
Well, no, actually, but thanks for trying to read my mind all the same.
When I described how Apple Mail
On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:52, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list
posts to include both the list and the original poster's address.
No it
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