The original question is so far beyond my use of the program I was going to
delete the whole thread. Glad I didn't, because Robert, that solution is
wonderful. I appreciate someone that understands how a database is
constructed at a “cellular” level.
Dick H
OlyWa
> On Dec 29, 2017, at
I think it goes back to Fin07, but I'm not sure.
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, j...@thomastudios.com
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> Just for my own edification, do you know which Finale version they added
> that to?
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>
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> > On
Just for my own edification, do you know which Finale version they added that
to?
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> On Dec 29, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Robert Patterson
> wrote:
>
> They did that to support cues, but it works for hard rests too.
>
They did that to support cues, but it works for hard rests too.
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:03 PM, j...@thomastudios.com
wrote:
> I did not know that Robert. Thanks for the headzup. Learn something new
> every day!
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> J D Thomas
>
I did not know that Robert. Thanks for the headzup. Learn something new every
day!
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J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Robert Patterson
> wrote:
>
> You can apply a staff style of "Blank Notation With Rests" to
You can apply a staff style of "Blank Notation With Rests" to the measures
with hard rests where you want mm rests. Finale will then create
multimeasure rests there.
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:18 PM, dc wrote:
> I'm extracting parts from a piece that uses two different full
You can’t get the multimeasure rests in the parts because you used real rests.
Finale is doing what it’s supposed to do.
If I understand your question, you want two different multimeasure rests,
correct? If so, you can edit individual MMR in the part and change it to
another shape you
one option: move rests PI for one hand, a staff style or manually
hide in the other
>This must be something I've forgotten. I'm sure I've done this before but
>can't remember how.
>
>I need all identical lefthand/righthand rests in a keyboard part to be
>centered between the staves (that is,
Hi all.
This must be something I've forgotten. I'm sure I've done this before but
can't remember how.
I need all identical lefthand/righthand rests in a keyboard part to be
centered between the staves (that is, just one rest showing for both hands).
Thanks!
Dennis
> Is there a way to move rests up or down without having to drag them with
> the mouse?
Barbara, I've always moved them in Simple Entry with the up/down arrows, but
I've never heard of this method, either. I'll have to check it out.
Douglas Brown
Adjunct Professor, School of Music
Wayland
Barbara, you could create a staff style to use even in small portions of a bar
where you can position rests at your discretion.
Giovanni
> On 01 Sep 2015, at 23:07, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>
> On 1-9-2015 23:05, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>> You could use the Move Rests
You could use the Move Rests plugin, which is especially helpful if you have a
large range of measure to move rests in. I use it all the time.
J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to move rests up
On 1-9-2015 23:05, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> You could use the Move Rests plugin, which is especially helpful if you have
> a large range of measure to move rests in. I use it all the time.
Thanks! I never even knew it existed!
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Actually, no. Piano music can start/stop parts (layers) on a beat by beat
basis. This is preferable in non-contrapuntal contexts and is usually
perfectly clear.
On 14 June 2012 17:51, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.comwrote:
needs rests
Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the music is
in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her comprehensive
guide to music notation, Behind Bars, in the section on part writing for
keyboard instruments:
Keyboard writing can move from a single
Thanks, everyone.
Much appreciated!
Linda Worsley
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Florence + Michael launay-c...@gmx.netwrote:
Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the
music is in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her
comprehensive guide
At 12:02 AM -0400 6/14/12, Linda Worsley wrote:
Don't know if this has ever been discussed. I have a client who uses a lot
of layers in his piano notation. Very useful, of course (He is using
Encore, and gives me pdfs of the Encore scores to enter into Finale.) Not
hard, but When he puts the
John, I agree with you on several levels. I don't do a lot of writing for
solo piano, and when I do, I usually use the make it clear school of
notation. And I hate clutter. So it's nice to know I don't have to pepper
the score (not mine, but an intricate and in some ways convoluted, score of
a
Don't know if this has ever been discussed. I have a client who uses a lot
of layers in his piano notation. Very useful, of course (He is using
Encore, and gives me pdfs of the Encore scores to enter into Finale.) Not
hard, but When he puts the notation in layers, he tends to leave layers
OK - this is a new one to me.
Using FinWin2012, and I have 'enable dotted rests' quantized. That
allows dotted eighths, which are needed in this piece.
But when I copy a measure with, for example, a quarter, quarter rest and
half rest, it pastes as a quarter and a dotted half rest.
Why doesn't
In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do
in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same
beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note,
quarter rest on the same beat!
He also says to use dotted quarter rests and dotted half
On Fri May 14, at FridayMay 14 5:24 AM, dc wrote:
Christopher Smith écrit:
In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do
in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same
beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note,
quarter rest on
Christopher responded to Dennis (dc) who wrote, in part:
I'm transcribing an 18th century edition that systematically avoids
using quarter rests in 6/8 or 12/8 - including on the beat, when there's
only one eighth on the last part of the beat preceded by two eighth rests.
by citing Ross'
At 11:24 AM +0200 5/14/10, dc wrote:
And what's the kosher whole measure rest in 6/8 and 16/8?
As far as I know a regular whole rest is ALWAYS the default for a
full measure rest no matter what the meter.
The only exception I can think of is the old fashioned and thankfully
obsolete
I actually find the stacked up rests can be useful on occasions, especially
in older music. I've had two examples of this this week when the number
indicating the number of rests was unclear - I very quickly looked at the
stacked rests to work out that the unclear number was an 8, not a 6, and
At 12:28 PM -0700 3/11/09, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi List,
In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the
instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see:
3 quarter rests
1 quarter rest and 1 half rest
Is there a correct answer for this case or is it open to
On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote:
What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure
that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a
section, but that's still sometimes used.
If there's a repeat, how is that avoidable?
Here's an example of
At 8:49 PM -0400 3/12/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote:
What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure
that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a
section, but that's still sometimes used.
If there's a
On 12 Mar 2009 at 21:14, John Howell wrote:
At 8:49 PM -0400 3/12/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote:
What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure
that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a
section,
John Howell wrote:
What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure
that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a
section, but that's still sometimes used.
It's a good rule, but only for music that might need to be repeated ad
lib - anything that
Hi List,
In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the
instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see:
3 quarter rests
1 quarter rest and 1 half rest
Is there a correct answer for this case or is it open to interpretation? This
music will be read by beginners, in
What about a dotted half rest?
At 3/11/2009 02:28 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi List,
In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the
instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see:
3 quarter rests
1 quarter rest and 1 half rest
Is there a correct answer for this case or
Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi List,
In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the
instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see:
3 quarter rests
1 quarter rest and 1 half rest
Is there a correct answer for this case or is it open to interpretation? This
music will be
On May 21, 2008, at 4:10 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8?
As for whether they're advisable
On May 23, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Roemer, starting page 103. He NEVER uses dotted rests in any of his
examples,
Hmm, I wonder if MakeMusic was trying to discourage us from using
dotted eighth rests at all in handcopied-looking music by making them
so kludgy in 2008?
Darcy,
I tried that, but it didn't work. I think there is some internal
measure that is messed up (there are a few things we can't tweak).
The weirdest thing about this bug is that older files open perfectly
in 2008, but new ones don't.
Christopher
On May 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Darcy
At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8?
As for whether they're advisable or not, that's a different story.
I personally
Darcy wrote:
Except in compound meters, I have no problem with
dotted half rests.
(I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on
beat 1 of a bar of
15/8.)
I would have to object to that one. I think whole
rests should be reserved for a whole bar of rest--just
what the name implies--in
On 22 May 2008, at 2:47 AM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Darcy wrote:
Except in compound meters, I have no problem with
dotted half rests.
(I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on
beat 1 of a bar of
15/8.)
I would have to object to that one.
Hi Ryan,
That's why I said I might even
Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi Folks,
couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I
apologize if this is an oft-repeated question.
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell
finale to
Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi Folks,
couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I
apologize if this is an oft-repeated question.
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell
finale to
On May 21, 2008, at 4:06 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi Folks,
couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I
apologize if this is an oft-repeated question.
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and
Yes, and those people are, at best, misguided.
Rhythms of any complexity in compound meters are made even more
difficult to read (and needlessly so) without dotted rests, which help
visually clarify the beat structure.
Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but
A couple of times I've sent a request to MakeMusic to make the
handling of dotted rests more detailed. Like Darcy, I don't want
dotted half rests and dotted quarter rests in 4/4, but I do want to
use dotted eighth rests. I'd like an option something like allow
dotted rests only within
Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization
settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is
that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8
correctly.
Try this:
Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the
measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill with
rests. For me, it
Ryan Beard wrote:
Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization
settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is
that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8
correctly.
Try this:
Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the
measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill
On 21 May 2008 at 4:39, Christopher Smith wrote:
(BTW, I am of the no dotted rests school, though not hysterically.
I sometimes make exceptions for dotted half rests in 12/8 and some
composite metres.)
In compound meters with dotted half as the beat, I don't see any
problem with a dotted
Hi David,
Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests.
(I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of
15/8.)
In simple meters, you are right that the one beat or less rule for
dotted rests prevails, although my preference is actually to
On 21 May 2008 at 4:34, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but
there's absolutely nothing wrong with the classic dotted eight rest
+sixteenth combo. That's actually much more clear than eight rest +
sixteenth rest+ sixteenth note.
Hi Chris,
I haven't tried it, but I'm almost positive that you could fix this by
adjusting the FAN for the eighth rest character in Jazz Font.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
On 21 May 2008, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On May 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM,
Hi Chris,
What I was suggesting was that you could artificially move the right
boundary on the eighth rest character (and other flagged rest
characters) too far to the left -- so that it falls in the middle of
the rest, or even all the way to the left. This should theoretically
affect
Hi Folks,
couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I
apologize if this is an oft-repeated question.
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell
finale to fill a bar with rests, it uses the quarter
and eighth rests rather than dotted
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Hi Folks,
couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I
apologize if this is an oft-repeated question.
How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in
6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell
finale to fill a bar with rests, it
On 29 Mar 2007 at 22:01, dc wrote:
What rest does one use in a pick-up measure for silent parts? The
value of the pick-up, or the default whole measure rest?
Surely the value of the pickup, no? Otherwise, how would the reader
of the part be able to get the measure count correct?
--
David W.
dc / 2007/03/29 / 04:01 PM wrote:
What rest does one use in a pick-up measure for silent parts? The value of
the pick-up, or the default whole measure rest?
The value of the pick-up, or you won't know what you are resting for :-)
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and
still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section
going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe. Just write it
out for everyone, without the
At 3:08 AM -0500 7/17/04, Richard Huggins wrote:
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and
still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section
going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe.
From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, on another unsolicited topic, you can force Finale to space bar
44, tenor staff, correctly. ..
You method you went on to explain works great. Kewl...thanks much! Left of
stack...where WAS my brain??!
From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 7:04 PM -0500 7/15/04, Richard Huggins wrote:
I have a certain 5-measure choral section that involves the choir singing
from one stave one time and another stave on the repeat. Because there is a
1st and 2nd ending, that means some measures have nothing in them.
Use rests. But from bitter
HI Richard,
I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and
still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section
going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe. Just write it
out for everyone, without the repeat.
- Darcy
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[EMAIL
I have a certain 5-measure choral section that involves the choir singing
from one stave one time and another stave on the repeat. Because there is a
1st and 2nd ending, that means some measures have nothing in them.
Here's diagram, which I hope retains the line breaks:
| ms1 |ms2 |
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