On 8 Jun 2007 at 7:30, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 6/8/2007 12:06 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
>
> >If that's true, then any programmer ought to be able to write a
> >little utility with a user-friendly interface for editing it. It
> >wouldn't even have to be a plug-in, since it's only manipulating a
>
At 6/8/2007 12:06 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
>If that's true, then any programmer ought to be able to write a
>little utility with a user-friendly interface for editing it. It
>wouldn't even have to be a plug-in, since it's only manipulating a
>text file.
That is what I was thinking.
I have not see
Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:07 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Actually, you can easily edit the Instrument.txt using any text
editor. The problem is if you make a mistake! I haven't bothered to
try yet, but now I mentioned it and have time...
If that's true, then any programmer oug
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Thank you, Ray for straightening this out so accurately. I had thrown
up my hands at any attempt to clear the air on this one, but you have
done so admirably. My one quibble:
Before valves, in Germany a low F trombone was a "bass trombone" and
was similar bore size to to
Thank you, Ray for straightening this out so accurately. I had thrown
up my hands at any attempt to clear the air on this one, but you have
done so admirably. My one quibble:
Before valves, in Germany a low F trombone was a "bass trombone" and
was similar bore size to today's large bore tenor.
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:23 PM, John Howell wrote:
Our son is a countertenor, otherwise (and in spite of the drift of
the spelling, which also changes over time) known as a male alto
(soprano, actually, when he was with Chanticleer), which no longer
means "against the tenor," and in France is
On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:07 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Actually, you can easily edit the Instrument.txt using any text
editor. The problem is if you make a mistake! I haven't bothered to
try yet, but now I mentioned it and have time...
If that's true, then any programmer ought to be able to
On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:09 PM, John Howell wrote:
What makes things interesting is that instruments have evolved
since a century ago, let alone a century and a half. Verdi wrote
for a bass brass instrument, knowing that his orchestras would use
an Ophicleide. Today those parts would be pla
Zelenka certainly wrote wonderful parts for bassoon in his trio sonatas.
Bach wrote a very active bassoon part for Cantata 150 (if my memory
serves) that goes down to low A.
Howell wrote:
I recall reading that R. Strauss and some others (Mahler?) wrote
for flutes with a low Bb. Ergo, someo
He wants to be able to play anything on the instrument for which it
was written. I forget if he said he has a clarinet in every key, or
is lacking something in G. (Is there anything?)
The clarinet in (low) G is still a standard instrument in Turkey and in
Macedonia (both Greece and the FYRM
The naming of the F as a "contrabass" trombone has to do with in what
role it is meant to function, not just the key.
Before valves, in Germany a low F trombone was a "bass trombone" and was
similar bore size to today's large bore tenor. It was a rare
instrument, much more common was a Bb "
At 6/7/2007 04:04 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Yeah, yeah, and the English horn isn't really English, and, for that
>matter, the bass clarinet is really a tenor instrument. But we go to
>war with the instrument names that we have. Gunther was right to
>insist on "contra-alto" for the Eb instrume
On 7-Jun-07, at 4:35 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 3:17 PM -0400 6/7/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
And may I point out the ridiculous juxtaposition of the names
"bass trombone" which was applied to an instrument with a G
fundamental, whereas an instrument with an F fundamental suddenly
becom
At 3:17 PM -0400 6/7/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
And may I point out the ridiculous juxtaposition
of the names "bass trombone" which was applied
to an instrument with a G fundamental, whereas
an instrument with an F fundamental suddenly
becomes a "contrabass trombone".
Never heard an F ba
At 2:59 PM -0400 6/7/07, Raymond Horton wrote:
And contra means against, not double. And alto means "high" or
"above," of course! The original "Contratenor altus" means "against
the tenor - above." This begat "contralto", which begat "alto"
Now "contra-alto" means "double alto?" Nonsensi
On Jun 7, 2007, at 3:09 PM, John Howell wrote:
I recall reading that R. Strauss and some others (Mahler?) wrote for
flutes with a low Bb. Ergo, someone in Vienna must have been making
such flutes
They are certainly made today. At the time when flutes started to
acquire foot joints, there
Yeah, yeah, and the English horn isn't really English, and, for that
matter, the bass clarinet is really a tenor instrument. But we go to
war with the instrument names that we have. Gunther was right to
insist on "contra-alto" for the Eb instrument and "contrabass" for
the Bb instrument, be
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
I don't think he has an alto (has there ever been an orchestral part
for an alto?
I have written several. You can hear it in my recorded _Procrustean
Concerto for the Bb Clarinet_ (the alto, if this confuses you, is one
of the orchestral cla
John Howell wrote:
What makes things interesting is that instruments have evolved since a
century ago, let alone a century and a half. Verdi wrote for a bass
brass instrument, knowing that his orchestras would use an
Ophicleide. Today those parts would be played on a tuba, but I seem
to r
On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:36 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 1:25 PM -0400 6/7/07, Raymond Horton wrote:
For starters, don't expect taxonomy to be logical!! We're talking
about musicians, remember!?
Just what exactly about altos is that clarinet "against"? The
low clarinet in Eb can be a bass, o
At 1:23 AM -0400 6/7/07, Raymond Horton wrote:
The Janacek Sinfonietta bass trumpet part (2 in unison) is unusually
low. Hard to get a good sound that loud on any bass trumpet I've
ever played. Fun to try, though! I would like to know what
instruments the composer had available.
And that
John Howell wrote:
>Better? [alto clarinet vs basset horn] Or just different? And of
course the matter of low range, although the extension to low C >would
take care of that. I suspect that very few band directors assign their
best players to alto clarinets, and like every member >of the
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:59 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Actually, what would be the best of all, and would allow all of us to
have exactly what we want would be for the good and kind and capable
and gentle folks at MakeMusic to simply include an extra option in
Program Option
At 1:25 PM -0400 6/7/07, Raymond Horton wrote:
Andrew Stiller wrote:
In addition to the ones you mentioned (by "great bass" I assume you
meant the contra-alto)
No, I meant he had an excellent bass clarinet with a low C. Sorry
for the confusing choice of a word.
Yes, and that's apparently
So we need to send for the calvary when the Rite comes up?
Interesting theory. I remember the low F's in Agon. I assumed Strav
just kept all the parts in C for simplicity, but knew the third player
would play the part on a Bb, which is what happens in performance.
Ravel (I remember the lick
Andrew Stiller wrote:
In addition to the ones you mentioned (by "great bass" I assume you
meant the contra-alto)
No, I meant he had an excellent bass clarinet with a low C. Sorry for
the confusing choice of a word.
I don't mean to say he has every clarinet ever made. I think he has
tri
On 7 Jun 2007 at 9:34, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> I don't now, and never did, have all the information in my book
> committed to memory, and I use it as a reference book just like
> anybody else. Among the things I wasn't quite sure of was the banjo
> transposition--so I looked it up, and according
The logic flaws already pointed out in the existing entries in
those files, to say nothing about the U.S.-centric terminology or
about the omissions, are merely another reason why I never use the
Setup Wizard. But if I could easily change things to match what I
work with mostly, and make it e
The Rite of Spring Eb "bass trumpet" should be called alto. It is a
double for the 5th C trumpet. But the part creates another problem,
because Stravinsky exceeds the range, going down to the written low F
(concert Ab) which is difficult or impossible to reach on an Eb
instrument, and very lo
He wants to be able to play anything on the instrument for which it
was written. I forget if he said he has a clarinet in every key, or
is lacking something in G. (Is there anything?)
In addition to the ones you mentioned (by "great bass" I assume you
meant the contra-alto) there is of co
On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:27 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 6 Jun 2007 at 13:22, Andrew Stiller wrote:
According to my book (p. 337)
This turn of phrase made me smile, coming as it does from the author
of your book. :)
Do I detect a hedging on the source of the information on this
subject that i
On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:59 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Actually, what would be the best of all, and would allow all of us
to have exactly what we want would be for the good and kind and
capable and gentle folks at MakeMusic to simply include an extra
option in Program Options, called "Edit Instrum
Aaron Rabushka wrote:
Names of instruments in Italian would be nice to save having to go through
the staff tool to put them in 1-by-1.
Actually, what would be the best of all, and would allow all of us to
have exactly what we want would be for the good and kind and capable and
gentle folks a
John Howell wrote:
[snip]
People make too much of fingering difficulties, like the outdated notion
that flutes and piccolos are more at home in sharp keys than in flat
keys. Never true with Boehm system, and not true of simple system
either. After all, the third sharp is also the third flat!
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:41 AM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
BTW, does any of the brass players here know how orchestra players
would
feel about which trumpets would be best to alternate with
Fluegelhorns?
Would b-flat or c trumpets work better in this case, or does it not
matter?
Most modern orc
Yes, it would be interesting to find out more about Janacek's available
brass. When I went to Moravia to record I was surprised how prominent tenor
tubas were in some of the folk bands around there (with an occasional valve
trombone along the way). And Wagner tubas are among my favorite exotic
soun
What's the question, Aaron? That the instrument is called bass
trumpet? Yes the low Bb and C instrument is always called bass. I and
many others have merely observed that it would more logically be called
tenor.
The Janacek Sinfonietta bass trumpet part (2 in unison) is unusually
low.
I'll check - maybe he has may have one of each!
rbh
James Gardner wrote:
Ray
Yes, there's the "picksüßes Hölzl", a G clarinet that sounds a
perfect fifth higher than written. It's part of the Viennese
Schrammelmusik quartet. And a low G clarinet is used in Turkish music.
See http://en.
Aaron Rabushka wrote:
Janacek's bass trumpets in the Sinfonietta, anyone? of the e-flat "bass"
trumpet in the Rite of Spring?
Did the Janacek a few years ago, and we used valve trombones for bass
trumpets. For the ROS ... Peck-horns, anyone? :)
cd
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Ray
Yes, there's the "picksüßes Hölzl", a G clarinet
that sounds a perfect fifth higher than written.
It's part of the Viennese Schrammelmusik quartet.
And a low G clarinet is used in Turkish music.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrammelmusik and associated links...
Cheers
Jim
Raymo
Janacek's bass trumpets in the Sinfonietta, anyone? of the e-flat "bass"
trumpet in the Rite of Spring?
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Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] errors in instrument.txt and ensembles.txt
> shirling & neueweise wrote:
>
> > i am compiling a list of corrections that need to be done in these
> > files to MM, and things to add, does anyone have things to mention?
We have a real collector in our orchestra. Only guy I know to have a D
clarinet, a C clarinet, a basset horn, a great bass clarinet with a low
C, etc., etc..
He wants to be able to play anything on the instrument for which it was
written. I forget if he said he has a clarinet in every key,
At 8:23 AM -0400 6/6/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
Clarinet in D would be good, too.
??? Never seen one, and never seen a part for one. Where do
you find it?
Mahler, Berlioz, among others. Late 19th C stuff. Yup, it's rare
these days, but you see it in historical repertoire. I just r
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Subject: Re: [Finale] errors in instrument.txt and ensembles.txt
> On Jun 6, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>
> > Nor, for that matter, do I see much sense in attempting to
> > differentiate D and Eb clarinet so
At 10:58 AM +1000 6/7/07, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote:
Are drum kits commonly called "Drum Sets" in the US?
Yes, but it's a generational thing. I grew up with "drum set" and
"set drummer." On the other hand, the Percussion book we just got
for "Bye Bye Birdie" still calls it a "tra
It is very easy to get confused about trumpets in F and Eb. Don't
forget that a lot of the 19th century music written for the long
orchestral valved trumpets in F and Eb is written in the upper octave -
so actually, the transposition is the same as todays small F and Eb
trumpet and cornet - ev
shirling & neueweise wrote:
i am compiling a list of corrections that need to be done in these
files to MM, and things to add, does anyone have things to mention?
for years there have been a number of transposition, spelling, staff
type and clef errors.
any instruments that are missing compl
On 6 Jun 2007 at 13:22, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> According to my book (p. 337)
This turn of phrase made me smile, coming as it does from the author
of your book. :)
Do I detect a hedging on the source of the information on this
subject that is include in your book? That is, did you rely on an
At 2:46 PM -0400 6/6/07, Phil Daley wrote:
I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to transpose a D clarinet
part while playing Eb clarinet.
Exactly the same as transposing an A clarinet part while playing Bb
clarinet. But you're right, it's a real bear to have to do that.
(And then you
On Jun 6, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> Nor, for that matter, do I see much sense in attempting to
> differentiate D and Eb clarinet sounds
I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to transpose a D clarinet part
while playing Eb clarinet.
As a clarinet major, I had only heard o
At 1:40 PM -0400 6/6/07, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jun 5, 2007, at 9:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:17 AM -0400 6/5/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
I WOULD like to see Trumpet in Eb in the instrument list. When I
do orchestra transcription
On Jun 6, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Frankly, for MIDI purposes I see no point to having separate Bb and
A piccolo-trp. sounds--esp. inasmuch as trumpeters notoriously use
whatever instrument they feel like regardless of what the composer
wrote.
Nor, for that matter, do I
At 1:58 PM +0200 6/5/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
can anyone tell me if the banjo is written transposed?
According to my book (p. 337) the banjo sounds an octave below the
written pitch regardless of tuning, number of strings etc. This is
important for the not-infrequent occasions whe
On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jun 5, 2007, at 9:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:17 AM -0400 6/5/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
I WOULD like to see Trumpet in Eb in the instrument list. When I do
orchestra transcriptions from the 19th C, there is a lot of Eb
trumpe
On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:28 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 1:58 PM +0200 6/5/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
can anyone tell me if the banjo is written transposed?
Interesting question. Most often, of course, it is only written in
chord symbols,
Hi John,
That is usually true, in my limited exp
On Jun 5, 2007, at 9:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:17 AM -0400 6/5/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
I WOULD like to see Trumpet in Eb in the instrument list. When I
do orchestra transcriptions from the 19th C, there is a lot of Eb
trumpet, and I got caught the first time.
But were these E
At 11:17 AM -0400 6/5/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
I WOULD like to see Trumpet in Eb in the instrument list. When I do
orchestra transcriptions from the 19th C, there is a lot of Eb
trumpet, and I got caught the first time.
But were these Eb alto, same pitch as the British brass band solo Eb
At 1:58 PM +0200 6/5/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
can anyone tell me if the banjo is written transposed?
Interesting question. Most often, of course, it is only written in
chord symbols, but we just got the music for our community summer
musical ("Bye Bye Birdie") and I went through the
At 9:08 PM +0200 6/5/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
Treble (Alto) recorder when used in an ensemble score uses treble
clef with 8 above, ... as a solo instrument, it uses the treble
clef and plays at pitch
everything i've seen online suggests to use normal treble clef...?
When alto reads
At 10:49 AM -0700 6/5/07, Harold Owen wrote:
I should mention in passing that there are other
recorders that are less often used: Sopranino
(octave above the alto and about half as long),
Garkleinflöte (octave above the soprano and
about half as long and pretty shrieky), and the
Great Bass
On Jun 5, 2007, at 3:11 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
Studio orchestra (big band with strings and percussion)
i need numbers of instruments for the ensembles.txt file... and
what percussion? drumset? vibes? anvil? thundersheet? toy piano?
Voice (Since this setup is so often used in
Studio orchestra (big band with strings and percussion)
i need numbers of instruments for the ensembles.txt file... and what
percussion? drumset? vibes? anvil? thundersheet? toy piano?
Jazz piano trio (piano, bass , drums)
Jazz guitar trio (you get it!)
i rarely look at jazz charts, but
hey john, thanks, the long-windedness was appreciated.
Treble (Alto) recorder when used in an ensemble score uses treble
clef with 8 above, ... as a solo instrument, it uses the treble clef
and plays at pitch
everything i've seen online suggests to use normal treble clef...?
have i understo
On 5 Jun 2007 at 10:49, Harold Owen wrote:
> What I have described is the modern recorder
> quartet score - music especially written for
> recorder quartet. Many scores, however, allow for
> performance on recorders but can be performed
> with other instruments and/or voices, in which
> case
jef,
Recorders are available using Softsynth, but in
Finale most of their clefs and transpositions are
incorrect. Descant (Soprano) recorder should have
the treble clef with 8 above, Clef #14.
Transposition setting using that clef is correct
at Octave Down (-7). Treble (Alto) recorder when
On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:58 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
i am compiling a list of corrections that need to be done in these
files to MM, and things to add, does anyone have things to mention?
for years there have been a number of transposition, spelling,
staff type and clef errors.
any
Remember that you can add ensembles yourself on page 2 of the Setup
wizard.
i know, i did a long time ago (beethoven orch, modern orch, modern
orch extended, pierrot, piano trio/quartet/quintet etc.), i just
think there are several ensembles that should be part of the default
file.
--
sh
Remember that you can add ensembles yourself on page 2 of the Setup
wizard.
--Allen
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i am compiling a list of corrections that need to be done in these
files to MM, and things to add, does anyone have things to mention?
for years there have been a number of transposition, spelling, staff
type and clef errors.
any instruments that are missing completely, or that are in the
i
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