Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Christopher Smith wrote: Yet my concern about slowdown holds even more with a new beam algorithm. Even now, I often find myself getting ahead of Speedy Entry. I discovered, disconcertingly, that Finale remembers the numeric keypad keys I hit for rhythmic values in sequential order (as you

RE: [Finale] Shameless Self-Promotion

2005-07-07 Thread keith helgesen
Hi Darcy- top work! Love the lead sheet. How do you get the shadow effect on rehearsal numbers? Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0439-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] Shameless Self-Promotion

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:36 AM, keith helgesen wrote: Hi Darcy- top work! Love the lead sheet. How do you get the shadow effect on rehearsal numbers? Thanks, Keith. The drop-shadow rehearsal letters/numbers are done with Bill Duncan's Rehearsal font, available here:

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Cook
On 6 Jul 2005, at 20:30, Darcy James Argue wrote: There is no New Window menu item on the Mac. Where are you looking? This menu item has been in every version of Finale I've had, from 3.0 to 2005b. It's in the Window menu. Michael Cook ___

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 3:21 AM, Michael Cook wrote: On 6 Jul 2005, at 20:30, Darcy James Argue wrote: There is no New Window menu item on the Mac. Where are you looking? This menu item has been in every version of Finale I've had, from 3.0 to 2005b. It's in the Window menu. I stand

Re: [Finale] OTHER Sibelius features Finale should steal

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It just strikes me as potentially confusing to have separate windows for each part (plus the score) when they are not, in fact, separate documents. The name in the title bar is different for each part (obviously), but this really is like

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2005-07-07 Thread ken
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg I make that a 3/32 note. -- K C Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account
Tyler wrote: Now if you want to get specific, the reason other people wanted it was because those other people saw a point in it. And quite frankly so did the people at MakeMusic. But when it comes right down to it, the reason to include the feature stems first from the fact that people WANT

Re: [Finale] tacet instrument

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Paul Hayden schrieb: Two questions about using tacet: 1. An instrument is not used in the first movement of a multi-movement work. Should the instrument be included on the first page of music in the score (and then perhaps deleted on other pages of the first movement)? I was recently

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: David W. Fenton opined: part extraction is something *everyone* has to do, unless they aren't preparing any performance materials at all. Among the sizeable areas of publishing today do not make much use of part extraction: 1) hymn tunes

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Richard Yates wrote: What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg That's a joke, right? I am sure that it will turn up in Finale2007 if enough people ask for it. Apparently only if those people who ask for it aren't currently Finale users -- many

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 3:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: And I fail to see how this linked score/parts would not benefit practically every Finale user. Well, it wouldn't benefit me, since I almost never extract parts. My work is about 99% piano-vocal or choral, so there's never any

Re: [Finale] GPO?

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 6 Jul 2005 at 20:40, Christopher Smith wrote: [re: Human Playback:] Some items, like trills, are surprisingly good, though. How do you control what note it starts on? And are the trills metronomically regular, or do they start slow and then speed up? Can they

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Richard Yates
What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg I make that a 3/32 note. Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the world, and go with the metric system. ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
Richard Yates wrote: What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg I make that a 3/32 note. Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the world, and go with the metric system. I'm trying to learn a Ferneyhough piece at

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Tyler wrote: Now if you want to get specific, the reason other people wanted it was because those other people saw a point in it. And quite frankly so did the people at MakeMusic. But when it comes right down to it, the reason to include the feature

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: Richard Yates wrote: What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg I make that a 3/32 note. Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the world, and go with the metric system. I'm trying to learn

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Tyler Turner schrieb: If 90% of Finale users will never get the bulk of their personal compositions performed by real people, don't you think something like GPO will be more attractive to them than linked parts? That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale users use Finale for their own

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Tyler Turner schrieb: Personally, I think GPO is going to be a much bigger selling point that linked parts. Why? How many times do composers click play as opposed to extracting parts? I don't believe part extraction is done as commonly as some people here believe. It wasn't a frequent topic on

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Tyler Turner schrieb: Personally, I think GPO is going to be a much bigger selling point that linked parts. Why? How many times do composers click play as opposed to extracting parts? I don't believe part extraction is done as commonly as some people here believe. It

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Tyler Turner schrieb: If 90% of Finale users will never get the bulk of their personal compositions performed by real people, don't you think something like GPO will be more attractive to them than linked parts? That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Tyler Turner schrieb: If 90% of Finale users will never get the bulk of their personal compositions performed by real people, don't you think something like GPO will be more attractive to them than linked parts? Thinking about this theory even more, why on earth any of these composers who

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Robert Patterson
If a plugin has trouble doing cue notes, why would it be any easier in the native program? If you care how the cue notes look, no automation MM is likely to come up with is like to be good enough. If you don't care, then TGTools is sufficient, although there are a few tweaks that would be

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Randolph Peters
Tyler Turner schrieb: If 90% of Finale users will never get the bulk of their personal compositions performed by real people, don't you think something like GPO will be more attractive to them than linked parts? Johannes Gebauer wrote: That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale users use

Re: [Finale] Vertical Spacing Algorithms

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Cook
Yes, that's at the top of my list too: Intelligent vertical spacing for staves within each system and between each system. I can't imagine which users would not benefit from this feature. As a performer, I'm sick of having to use scores where the staves are too far apart: in many cases people

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Randolph Peters
Johannes Gebauer wrote: That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale users use Finale for their own compositions - hardly likely. Probably more like 10%. I just took a quick mental survey of all the people I personally know who use Finale. Out of the 25 or so users, only 2 use it exclusively

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
Randolph Peters wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale users use Finale for their own compositions - hardly likely. Probably more like 10%. I just took a quick mental survey of all the people I personally know who use Finale. Out of the 25 or so

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Randolph Peters schrieb: Johannes Gebauer wrote: That is assuming that more than 90% of Finale users use Finale for their own compositions - hardly likely. Probably more like 10%. I don't know what percentage I'm in, but I use Finale only for my compositions, I get my compositions

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Robert, I don't think you quite understood what I am after. I find the basic concept of how cue notes are included in the first place very short sighted. Simply adding them to a free layer is always going to cause all sorts of problems. What I want is a separate cue notes layer. The reason

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Technoid
On 7/6/05, Tyler Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think GPO is going to be a much bigger selling point that linked parts. Why? How many times do composers click play as opposed to extracting parts? I don't believe part extraction is done as commonly as some people here believe.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Technoid
On 7/6/05, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In dynamic parts, each part is nothing more or less than a special view of the score. From a software engineering standpoint, this is the way it should be. Word processors and many other applications have been doing this for years: Store the

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Robert Patterson
I do see what you are after (a cue note layer). I just don't see enough added benefit to enough users that it will happen. That said, from what I've seen starting in Fin04, MM has laid the groundwork for more than 4 layers. Whether they ever implement them remains to be seen. Obviously, you

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 11:51 AM -0600 7/6/05, John Abram wrote: A twelfth note is a triplet eighth note. They are sometimes used in new music (eg Mark-Anthony Turnage has used it frequently I believe) Henry Cowell was way ahead of the game with this sort of thinking. Why is 12/12 not like 12/8? Because 12/8 is

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
John Howell wrote: If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it sounds like triplets, it's triplets. Except if it's not grouped in threes. Feel free to invent your own notation; just don't expect us old fogey traditionalists to read it. We're not inventing it - we're nearly a

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 8:27 PM -0600 7/6/05, John Abram wrote: On 6-Jul-05, at 5:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really splitting hairs here -- putting 3 evenly spaced notes within one beat sounds like triplets to me, no matter how it's represented in the time signature. Yes it sounds the same, like

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 01:08 PM 7/7/05 -0400, John Howell wrote: Poor example, I'm afraid, and one that suggests you are not a singer. Which, whoa, and other wh words like where properly start with a phoneme produced by a puff of air blown through pursed lips. Witch, and woe and ware do not. The pronunciation is

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:44 AM, Richard Yates wrote: What does a 12th-note look like? http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg I make that a 3/32 note. Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the world, and go with the metric system. You've been

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread richard.bartkus
Putting the mechanics aside for a moment, could someone please explain what you can do with 12/12 that you CANNOT do using standard meters, or combinations thereof ? There must be a good cause to write something that most accomplished musicians may have difficulty sight reading because of some

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:00 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Yet my concern about slowdown holds even more with a new beam algorithm. Even now, I often find myself getting ahead of Speedy Entry. I discovered, disconcertingly, that Finale remembers the numeric keypad keys I

Re: [Finale] GPO?

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey all, If you have any requests for improving Human Playback, you should send them directly to the guy responsible for the feature, Robert PiƩchaud. He's very nice and very responsive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Jul 2005, at 7:30 AM, dhbailey

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 5:45 PM +0100 7/7/05, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it sounds like triplets, it's triplets. Except if it's not grouped in threes. In which case it doesn't sound like triplets! Feel free to invent your own notation; just don't expect

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Jim
Some people simply have, for whatever reason, a vested interest in superficial complexity. (Flame-retardant suit snugly on. Somebody has to say that the Emperor sometimes has little or no clothing.) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, July

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
I once readan article on the subject of the "modern composer's" love affair with making life as difficult as possible for the performer. The article ended with an example. The rythms were amazingle complex and the example looked someone had spilt a bag of sharps and flats over the page.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: Tyler Turner schrieb: If 90% of Finale users will never get the bulk of their personal compositions performed by real people, don't you think something like GPO will be more attractive to them than linked

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting the mechanics aside for a moment, could someone please explain what you can do with 12/12 that you CANNOT do using standard meters, or combinations thereof ? Not so much 12/12, but say 5/12. Let's say you were honking along

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting the mechanics aside for a moment, could someone please explain what you can do with 12/12 that you CANNOT do using standard meters, or combinations thereof ? Turning again to Ferneyhough: A passage of four bars, with the following time signatures:

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Tyler Turner schrieb: Addressing the point in another post about the inclusion of GPO being a catch up to Sibelius Kontakt implementation - this isn't the case. Finale was already pretty much on par. The sounds weren't quite up to Sibelius', but Sibelius only includes 20 sounds, and only 8 can

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Abram
On 7-Jul-05, at 11:00 AM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A twelfth note is a triplet eighth note. They are sometimes used in new music (eg Mark-Anthony Turnage has used it frequently I believe) Henry Cowell was way ahead of the game with this sort of thinking. Why is 12/12 not like

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: But then later, you are playing some triplets which work out perfectly, but you ONLY NEED FIVE OF THEM, not six. If you needed 6, then a bar of 2/4 with triplets marked normally would be great. But if you want a new downbeat after you've only

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:30 PM 7/7/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, actually, on any mid-range Mac, my pretty new iBook included, 8 sounds is already over the top. Crackling, drop outs etc. So don't give me that, 64 is probably even impossible on a top range PC. What's chewing all the CPU? In Sonar, I can

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: But then later, you are playing some triplets which work out perfectly, but you ONLY NEED FIVE OF THEM, not six. If you needed 6, then a bar of 2/4 with triplets marked normally would be great. But

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:42 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:30 PM 7/7/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, actually, on any mid-range Mac, my pretty new iBook included, 8 sounds is already over the top. Crackling, drop outs etc. So don't give me that, 64 is probably even impossible on a

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Lon Price
On Jul 7, 2005, at 5:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:Thinking about this theory even more, why on earth any of these composers who want playback more than output chose Finale in the first place, is am complete mystery to me. And I doubt that even with the latest improvements Finale is going to be

RE: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Lee Actor
At 08:30 PM 7/7/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, actually, on any mid-range Mac, my pretty new iBook included, 8 sounds is already over the top. Crackling, drop outs etc. So don't give me that, 64 is probably even impossible on a top range PC. What's chewing all the CPU? In Sonar, I

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner schrieb: Addressing the point in another post about the inclusion of GPO being a catch up to Sibelius Kontakt implementation - this isn't the case. Finale was already pretty much on par. The sounds weren't quite up to

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Lee, It's not Finale. It's the Native Instruments Kontakt Player. The Mac version sucks. Results are equally awful playing back GPO instruments from a sequencer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:50 PM, Lee Actor wrote: At 08:30 PM 7/7/05 +0200,

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 0:22, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 11:39 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: [] Is your MIDI interface USB? If so, you may have something else contending for the bandwidth of the USB interface, and that could be the reason you're having the problem. I have a USB

Re: [Finale] OTHER Sibelius features Finale should steal

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 1:10, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 06 Jul 2005, at 11:25 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: But you HAD objected to the concept of having two different windows open on the same file - why? I personally much prefer the default Sibelius behavior, where you can simply click a

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Tyler Turner wrote: No, I'm quite sure that a large majority of Finale users use Finale at least in part for their own personal compositions. I can draw this conclusion from my own experience dealing with a sampling of thousands of Finale users as well as other sources. Compositional use of

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
dhbailey schrieb: Now that we have seen how Sibelius has done it (very elegantly from what I've seen of the demo) and we know it can be done, we're clamoring for it more. Although I agree, Robert P. has got me thinking. I do fear that not only is this going to be a really major change in

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A sincere thank you for the resposes to my question. My humble opinion still stands, that using an esoteric meter such as anything/12 will return an uncertain performance. *Can* result in it, not *will* result. PS - What is the notation for a twelth note ? If

[Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
While we are on about it: House styles is another area where Sibelius is far superior to Finale. Several times I have suggested ways how some house style functionality could be added to Finale with as I understand very limited programming effort (as most of it is already in Finale, just not

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It seems to me self-evident that linked parts are the way Finale should have been designed from the beginning. ...The data file is a database, and there are various report views for showing that data and subsets of that data Then the only

RE: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread Lee Actor
I don't know how efficient Finale playback is on Macs without GPO, but on PCs it's horrendous. I use Finale to drive external MIDI devices, which you wouldn't think would very strenuous, but I can't even reliably record the audio output from my mixer in another app at the same time, on a very

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: In dynamic parts, each part is nothing more or less than a special view of the score. The reason that note changes to score are reflected immediately in the parts and vice versa is because the notes are only stored in one place. On the other

Re: Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread richard.bartkus
Thank you Owain for your response. If I understand your correction of will to can correctly, you agree that it can return an uncertain result. Okay, I can accept that. Richard From: Owain Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/07 Thu PM 04:17:50 EDT To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re:

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 1:00, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Yet my concern about slowdown holds even more with a new beam algorithm. Even now, I often find myself getting ahead of Speedy Entry. I discovered, disconcertingly, that Finale remembers the numeric keypad keys I

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 19:48, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Tyler wrote: Now if you want to get specific, the reason other people wanted it was because those other people saw a point in it. And quite frankly so did the people at MakeMusic. But when it comes right down to it, the

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Owain for your response. If I understand your correction of will to can correctly, you agree that it can return an uncertain result. Okay, I can accept that. Yep - and so can any notation ;) ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] tacet instrument

2005-07-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 6, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: Two questions about using tacet: 1. An instrument is not used in the first movement of a multi-movement work. Should the instrument be included on the first page of music in the score (and then perhaps deleted on other pages of the first

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 17:57, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't think you quite understood what I am after. I find the basic concept of how cue notes are included in the first place very short sighted. Simply adding them to a free layer is always going to cause all sorts of problems. What I want is a

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 10:15, Technoid wrote: On 7/6/05, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In dynamic parts, each part is nothing more or less than a special view of the score. From a software engineering standpoint, this is the way it should be. Word processors and many other

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 07 Jul 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: But then later, you are playing some triplets which work out perfectly, but you ONLY NEED FIVE OF THEM, not six. If you needed 6, then a bar of 2/4 with triplets marked normally would be

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 12:37, John Howell wrote: Seems to me that talking about beats compounds (sorry!) the confusion. Yes, 12/8 can indicate 4 beats per bar; that's sort of the default interpretation. At a slower tempo, however, it can indicate 12 beats per bar. I've conducted Bach slow

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 7, 2005, at 3:36 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Do you have a non-USB keyboard port? If so, I'd try getting the keyboard off the USB bus so that MIDI is on USB and the rhythmic values you're typing is *not* on USB. Umm, AFAIK USB is the only option for Mac keyboard plugging in. That

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Andrew Stiller schrieb: On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: In dynamic parts, each part is nothing more or less than a special view of the score. The reason that note changes to score are reflected immediately in the parts and vice versa is because the notes are only stored

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: I've always felt that the key to a sensible implementation of cue notes was in the MIRROR feature. But nobody uses that because it's all bollixed up and doesn't really work. If they fixed that, it would give you a lot of what you desire with linked cue notes. If

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Owain for your response. If I understand your correction of will to can correctly, you agree that it can return an uncertain result. Okay, I can accept that. Yep - and so can any notation ;) Now there's no need to bring hemiolas

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Gerald Berg
Richard As Creston sez: It looks exactly the same but what it looks like is a 'transposition' in that a 1/6 note looks exactly like a 1 quarter note in a quarter note triplet. In 6/6 the tuplet bracket would still be applied. Either way this kind of rhythm will entail explication. The

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 4:24 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: While we are on about it: House styles is another area where Sibelius is far superior to Finale. Several times I have suggested ways how some house style functionality could be added to Finale with as I understand very limited programming

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Jul 2005, at 4:36 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: In dynamic parts, each part is nothing more or less than a special view of the score. The reason that note changes to score are reflected immediately in the parts and vice versa is because

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread richard.bartkus
Owain Sutton wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Owain for your response. If I understand your correction of will to can correctly, you agree that it can return an uncertain result. Okay, I can accept that. Yep - and so can any notation ;) And I can agree with that statement

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chris, You have two possible solutions: 1) Get a FireWire MIDI interface. 2) Get a USB 2.0 card and a Belkin Tetrahub: http://tinyurl.com/6s9mf I have a FW MIDI interface and I never have a problem with Speedy not keeping up with MIDI input. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:08 PM, John Howell wrote: Which, whoa, and other wh words like where properly start with a phoneme produced by a puff of air blown through pursed lips. Witch, and woe and ware do not. The pronunciation is often confused by young children, rap artists, and some speakers

[Finale] MOTU Updates vs. MakeMusic Updates

2005-07-07 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Looking that MOTU just updated Digital Performer to 4.6 for free to it's 4.5 users, and seeing all the GREAT improvements, it makes me laugh at MakeMusic and Finale. My God, there are a lot of useful, functional features that I can get for FREE updating to 4.6. Congrats MOTU! Honestly, this

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 13:08, John Howell wrote: At 8:27 PM -0600 7/6/05, John Abram wrote: On 6-Jul-05, at 5:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really splitting hairs here -- putting 3 evenly spaced notes within one beat sounds like triplets to me, no matter how it's represented in the time

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Next year, metric clocks! ...which you can see, BTW, on the walls in Fritz Lang's Metropolis. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list

[Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale - multi-file solution?

2005-07-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Robert Patterson and Johannes Gebauer have raised some excellent points about the feasibility of a single-file solution for Dynamic Parts in Finale. There is also the issue of a possible additional performance hit if Finale were to implement live updating as Sibelius does. What about a

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 14:04, John Howell wrote: But the purpose of notation is, and always has been, communication. I simply do not choose to learn or perform music that requires me to learn new notation, unless the music itself is so great that the effort is worth while. That's an odd

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-07 Thread Burt Fenner
And you can add to these: music examples for books. BF Noel Stoutenburg wrote: David W. Fenton opined: part extraction is something *everyone* has to do, unless they aren't preparing any performance materials at all. Among the sizeable areas of publishing today do not make much use of

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread M. Perticone
Christopher Smith wrote: and I would put a bracketed 3 tuplet over the first group, and the same over the second group (even though there are only TWO notes in it) for clarity. while i certainly agree with your post i think that tuplets are redundant here, as the /12 is meaning that already.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 11:46, Lon Price wrote: I'm surprised that this dynamic part linking issue is suddenly such a big deal to everybody. Like I said in an earlier post, MOTU's Mosaic had that feature, and if MOTU hadn't completely abandoned that program, I would never have bought Finale.

RE: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 11:50, Lee Actor wrote: At 08:30 PM 7/7/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, actually, on any mid-range Mac, my pretty new iBook included, 8 sounds is already over the top. Crackling, drop outs etc. So don't give me that, 64 is probably even impossible on a top range

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:52 PM 7/7/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: Notation and musical style should be intimately linked. I agree with you in all respects, from early music to new music. And, in case I haven't mentioned it, I highly recommend the brand new SoundVisions by Moeller/Shim/Staebler. It's a worthy

Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 22:15, Johannes Gebauer wrote: However, here is an idea: How about inventing a Project File architecture, where the linking is done via a project file which doesn't include any actual notation data, but just keeps track of all linked score and part files. When you need to

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
Gerald Berg wrote: As for 7/10 or 13/20 -- there's a fraction too far. Why? It's easily playable, and it's something that cannot possibly be notated another way, unlike x/12. And, like it or not, it's found its way into mainstream notation and publication.

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I respect the opposing point of view, I am not convinced that 12/12 is required. I agree that 12/12 is unnecessary - for the same reason as 8/8 is hardly ever used. However, 7/12, 5/10 etc have a distinct function that cannot be substitued with a 'normal'

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: I think the use of a note as denominator would eliminate all these problems. 6/8 would become 2/Q., and would also allow one to notate 6/E if one actually wanted it. I would love this system...but That makes far more sense than the absolutely idiotic 12/12.

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 16:24, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It seems to me self-evident that linked parts are the way Finale should have been designed from the beginning. ...The data file is a database, and there are various report views for showing

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2005 at 22:24, Johannes Gebauer wrote: While we are on about it: House styles is another area where Sibelius is far superior to Finale. Several times I have suggested ways how some house style functionality could be added to Finale with as I understand very limited programming

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