Re: [Finale] Playback problem
The values I am describing are found on the MIDI keyboard itself. MIDI instruments can be assigned a numeric volume level from 0 to 127 on my keyboard (Kawai.) As others have mentioned here, you can use the MIXER found in WINDOW Menu to assign volume, and panning. Larry Eden > On Mar 3, 2019, at 8:11 AM, martin nickless wrote: > > Thanks > Is that in the finale manual ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 07:49, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >> >> You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each >> instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard. >> >> Larry >> >>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi there can someone help me >>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back >>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets >>> Not sure where to find individual volume control >>> I’m on windows 10 >>> Finale 25 >>> Thanks >>> Martin >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
thanks great martin On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:27 PM Percuszionstudio < harrojadga...@westnet.com.au> wrote: > In the Window menu, just under Score Manager. At east that’s where it is > the Mac so I assume the Windows OS has it in the same place. > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 23:40, Martin Nickless wrote: > > > > Where do I find it .. in score manager ? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz > wrote: > >> > >> Hmm. Not the Mixer? > >> > >> Ryszard > >> > >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > >>> > >>> Score Manager > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless > wrote: > > > Hi there can someone help me > My volume is not balanced when I use play back > The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets > Not sure where to find individual volume control > I’m on windows 10 > Finale 25 > Thanks > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
In the Window menu, just under Score Manager. At east that’s where it is the Mac so I assume the Windows OS has it in the same place. > On 3 Mar 2019, at 23:40, Martin Nickless wrote: > > Where do I find it .. in score manager ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz wrote: >> >> Hmm. Not the Mixer? >> >> Ryszard >> >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: >>> >>> Score Manager >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless wrote: Hi there can someone help me My volume is not balanced when I use play back The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets Not sure where to find individual volume control I’m on windows 10 Finale 25 Thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Thanks Is that in the finale manual ? Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Mar 2019, at 07:49, Lawrence David Eden wrote: > > You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each > instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard. > > Larry > >> On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: >> >> >> Hi there can someone help me >> My volume is not balanced when I use play back >> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets >> Not sure where to find individual volume control >> I’m on windows 10 >> Finale 25 >> Thanks >> Martin >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Where do I find it .. in score manager ? Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz wrote: > > Hmm. Not the Mixer? > > Ryszard > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: >> >> Score Manager >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi there can someone help me >>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back >>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets >>> Not sure where to find individual volume control >>> I’m on windows 10 >>> Finale 25 >>> Thanks >>> Martin >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:05, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > > Score Manager > > > > >> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless wrote: >> >> >> Hi there can someone help me >> My volume is not balanced when I use play back >> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets >> Not sure where to find individual volume control >> I’m on windows 10 >> Finale 25 >> Thanks >> Martin >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard. Larry > On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: > > > Hi there can someone help me > My volume is not balanced when I use play back > The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets > Not sure where to find individual volume control > I’m on windows 10 > Finale 25 > Thanks > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Hmm. Not the Mixer? Ryszard > On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > > Score Manager > > > > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless wrote: > >> >> Hi there can someone help me >> My volume is not balanced when I use play back >> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets >> Not sure where to find individual volume control >> I’m on windows 10 >> Finale 25 >> Thanks >> Martin >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Score Manager On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless wrote: > > Hi there can someone help me > My volume is not balanced when I use play back > The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets > Not sure where to find individual volume control > I’m on windows 10 > Finale 25 > Thanks > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
On 8/31/2017 3:01 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > On Thu, August 31, 2017 2:33 pm, John Hyde wrote: >>Thanks for the suggestion > > Make sure you're not saving Midi volume data with your controller. > > Try this: > > Go into the Midi tool (not the Midi/Audio menu). > Dismiss the human playback message that comes up. >>From the Midi Tool menu, select "Edit Key Velocities". > Select the entire document (CTL-A on Windows). >>From the Midi Tool menu, choose "Clear". > > Now try playback. > > If it works, you may have old Midi data in there, or you may have recorded the > velocities from your Midi keyboard. > Thank you for clarifying that and for pointing to the correct tool for remedying the problem if that is indeed it. I had been trying to say that but had forgotten the procedure using the midi tool itself. Thanks! -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
On Thu, August 31, 2017 2:33 pm, John Hyde wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Make sure you're not saving Midi volume data with your controller. Try this: Go into the Midi tool (not the Midi/Audio menu). Dismiss the human playback message that comes up. >From the Midi Tool menu, select "Edit Key Velocities". Select the entire document (CTL-A on Windows). >From the Midi Tool menu, choose "Clear". Now try playback. If it works, you may have old Midi data in there, or you may have recorded the velocities from your Midi keyboard. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
Dave et al. Thanks for the suggestion All my input is done with a midi controller The parts sound and stop sounding at unpredictable moments.. When I first load the file it usually plays all the parts at normal volume then cuts out so that one might hear parts faintly if turned up all the way. On repeated playing without other tweaks maybe I get another bar then it all cuts out (or almost) or one part will continue to play. There are no expressions at this point except for the tempo marking. That one is hard to forget about changing the play back setting since it is usually playing a tempo that I have already rejected. If I scroll ahead and start again I get a few notes then it goes down like at the beginning. Just tried I play with options under the Midi/Audio menu. It gets a bit better at least one or two parts play after going back and forth between “play through Audio unit” / “through MIDI” or under the “Device set up” sub menu between “MIDI Internal speaker”or “MIDI Through”. I go between “Smart synth “and “MIDI” for the playback option under the “Midi Setup” sub menu. Trying to get something working by tweaking things with the volume controls on the Studio View option actually did more that I hoped for. My best result was just now when I pulled up the file in question just now.(other files were doing stuff like this but not so dramatically) I played all parts for 18 measures and the Organ part stopped sounding for the last 4 measures of what I have in so far. Just tried Documents/Playback and Record Options/ and “reset dynamic markings” I thought that I had started a new file though the project started in another one. Worked the whole 23 measures! tried MIDI Audio/Human Playback /Human playback preferences/ Dynamics/ changed from “automatic” to “continuous controller “ and lost tie audio for the Sax part about 2 measures in. returned it to “automatic” and no change. Fiddled with levels on Studio view and can get the sax part sounding for as much as 9 measures. Hard to see a relationship between what I do and what is working. Will someone remind me about what the improvement is between this version and Finale ’14? Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:25 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > On 8/30/2017 9:03 PM, John Hyde wrote: > >> Hi: >> I’m running Finale 25.4.0.155 on a MacBook Pro running Sierra 10.12.6 >> >> Upon upgrading I had more that the usual trouble getting the software to >> see the keyboard but I can kluge around it by opening the file ,them >> closing it and restarting the computer. >> >> What’s driving me crazy is that on playback the volume will drop >> down >> until it is practically or in some cases actually inaudible. I am >> currently >> working in a piece for pipe organ, tenor sax and electric guitar. >> Sometimes the horn and the guitar come through fine but part or all of the >> organ disappears. At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through >> fine but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am >> also the guitarist. >> >> The volume drop problem goes back at least as far as 2010 when I was >> working on an old power book. >>Having the problem to the extremity of “ disappearing audio parts” >> me be as recent as my last system upgrade. >> >> Any thoughts? >> Thanks, >>John Hyde >> > > Am I correct in assuming that all other audio from other programs works > just fine with no dropouts or fading? > > I'm confused by your comment about "At the moment the organ and the sax > are coming through but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating > since I am also the guitarist." Does that mean you have recorded the > guitar part as audio instead of using notation? Or are you just frustrated > because you can't hear the part you're supposed to eventually play once the > piece is finished? > > In any event, the first thing I would check would be your use of > expressions. Does the disappearing audio happen at the same place in a > score every time you play it back? Is there an expression at that point? > Might it be one that you created by taking an existing expression and > copying it and then editing the appearance of it but forgetting to also > edit the playback effect it might have? > > If the places where the audio disappears varies from playback to playback > of the same score then I don't have any suggestion. If it's always in the > same spot then it's something in the score. > > Did you enter the parts using a midi controller and hyperscribe? > > The next place I'd check would be your Human Playback preferences. Do you > get the audio drop-outs if you have HP set to none? > > In the Preferences dialog is a panel for Human Playback where you can > select whether or not Finale incorporates the recorded MIDI data. The > default, at least in the Windows version, is to have Human Playback ignore > the recorded MIDI data f
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
On 8/30/2017 9:03 PM, John Hyde wrote: > Hi: > I’m running Finale 25.4.0.155 on a MacBook Pro running Sierra 10.12.6 > > Upon upgrading I had more that the usual trouble getting the software to > see the keyboard but I can kluge around it by opening the file ,them > closing it and restarting the computer. > > What’s driving me crazy is that on playback the volume will drop down > until it is practically or in some cases actually inaudible. I am currently > working in a piece for pipe organ, tenor sax and electric guitar. > Sometimes the horn and the guitar come through fine but part or all of the > organ disappears. At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through > fine but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am > also the guitarist. > > The volume drop problem goes back at least as far as 2010 when I was > working on an old power book. >Having the problem to the extremity of “ disappearing audio parts” > me be as recent as my last system upgrade. > > Any thoughts? > Thanks, >John Hyde Am I correct in assuming that all other audio from other programs works just fine with no dropouts or fading? I'm confused by your comment about "At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am also the guitarist." Does that mean you have recorded the guitar part as audio instead of using notation? Or are you just frustrated because you can't hear the part you're supposed to eventually play once the piece is finished? In any event, the first thing I would check would be your use of expressions. Does the disappearing audio happen at the same place in a score every time you play it back? Is there an expression at that point? Might it be one that you created by taking an existing expression and copying it and then editing the appearance of it but forgetting to also edit the playback effect it might have? If the places where the audio disappears varies from playback to playback of the same score then I don't have any suggestion. If it's always in the same spot then it's something in the score. Did you enter the parts using a midi controller and hyperscribe? The next place I'd check would be your Human Playback preferences. Do you get the audio drop-outs if you have HP set to none? In the Preferences dialog is a panel for Human Playback where you can select whether or not Finale incorporates the recorded MIDI data. The default, at least in the Windows version, is to have Human Playback ignore the recorded MIDI data for Continuous Data, Velociy, Start/Stop Time, Tempo. If any of those have been changed to "Incorporate Data" then try changing those. I hope others chime with advice -- this can be such a frustrating problem! Good luck! -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
I have fixed it! I created a brand new expression, for which I have only entered the text,"arco". No setting of key switches or any other parameters. It is surprising the defaults do not work! Thanks for all the help. Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Use the keyswitched GPO instruments (the ones with "KS" in the name) and HP switches automatically from arco to pizz. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 24 May 2011, at 12:13 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > Michael, > > After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the > GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for > violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had > available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out > how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two staves > for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco and > assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to be > arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in the > staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the same > place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with staff > styles. > > However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in GPO > mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; meantime, > if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature request for > Finale 2013. > > ns > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
You can do that in a simpler fashion than the overlapping staves, which can give you trouble if you forget they are there and try to edit. Use different layers for pizz and arco, or have the expression change patches. OR use the GPO samples labels "KS" for keystroke and the expressions themselves should work. They are tricky, though. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > Michael, > > After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the > GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for > violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had > available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out > how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two > staves for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco > and assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to > be arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in > the staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the > same place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with > staff styles. > > However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in > GPO mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; > meantime, if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature > request for Finale 2013. > > ns > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Eric, Regarding the comments you wrote: Couldn't you define the expression to send the note that switches the patch to pizz? And then define an expression to send the note to change them back to arco? Yes, one could, and that seems to be the way to do it. In the documentation, under the subheading "To add keyswitches as expressions" is a list of steps that seems to detail the process. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Couldn't you define the expression to send the note that switches the patch to pizz? And then define an expression to send the note to change them back to arco? The way the GPO works in Kontkat is that there are some really low notes below the range of the instruments that will switch them between piz, acro, trem, etc. I assume that the same is true for the finale version as well. This Should help you http://www.finaleforum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3563 Sent from my iSomething On May 24, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > Michael, > > After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the > GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for > violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had > available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out > how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two staves > for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco and > assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to be > arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in the > staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the same > place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with staff > styles. > > However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in GPO > mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; meantime, > if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature request for > Finale 2013. > > ns > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Michael, After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two staves for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco and assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to be arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in the staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the same place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with staff styles. However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in GPO mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; meantime, if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature request for Finale 2013. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
I have made sure the expressions are not defined for playback and that HP is on but the problem is still there (ppp even if I specify ). How does HP determine what to do when it encounters an expression? Regards, Michael - Original Message - Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 15:47:43 -0400 From: Darcy James Argue Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Turn Human Playback on and use pizz. and arco expressions that are NOT defined for playback. HP will catch your "pizz." and "arco" expressions and interpret accordingly. Keep in mind that pizz. volume for GPO strings is absurdly loud, so you will have to use hidden dynamics if you want realistic playback. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 23 May 2011, at 3:19 PM, Michael Lawlor wrote: Noel, Sorry for not being clear enough. The pizz. was taken from the default set, but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my own. What playback parameters should I create for this? I have found it confusing because there are the parameters that work the "old" way and those for VST / GPO instruments. I would like to use GPO. Regards, Michael - Original Message - Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500 From: Noel Stoutenburg Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato To: Message-ID: <4dd95d85.20...@ticnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Michael About the situation you describe: I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I have a problem with volume. There is a short passage of pizzicato followed by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST instruments). The volume in the arco section is very quiet. If I change the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected. Is this a known bug and is there a solution? You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the "pizz." expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was not defined, or was defined using a different parameter. And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless the controller modified in the "pizz." expression was Key velocity, ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Turn Human Playback on and use pizz. and arco expressions that are NOT defined for playback. HP will catch your "pizz." and "arco" expressions and interpret accordingly. Keep in mind that pizz. volume for GPO strings is absurdly loud, so you will have to use hidden dynamics if you want realistic playback. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 23 May 2011, at 3:19 PM, Michael Lawlor wrote: > Noel, > Sorry for not being clear enough. The pizz. was taken from the default set, > but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my own. What > playback parameters should I create for this? I have found it confusing > because there are the parameters that work the "old" way and those for VST / > GPO instruments. I would like to use GPO. > Regards, > Michael > > - Original Message - >> Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500 >> From: Noel Stoutenburg >> Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato >> To: >> Message-ID: <4dd95d85.20...@ticnet.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> Michael >> >> About the situation you describe: >> >>> I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I >>> have a problem with volume. There is a short passage of pizzicato followed >>> by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST >>> instruments). The volume in the arco section is very quiet. If I change >>> the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. >>> indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected. Is >>> this a known bug and is there a solution? >> >> You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you >> are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default >> expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you >> got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you >> describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the "pizz." >> expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was >> not defined, or was defined using a different parameter. >> >> And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless >> the controller modified in the "pizz." expression was Key velocity, >> >> ns > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Noel, Sorry for not being clear enough. The pizz. was taken from the default set, but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my own. What playback parameters should I create for this? I have found it confusing because there are the parameters that work the "old" way and those for VST / GPO instruments. I would like to use GPO. Regards, Michael - Original Message - Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500 From: Noel Stoutenburg Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato To: Message-ID: <4dd95d85.20...@ticnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Michael About the situation you describe: I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I have a problem with volume. There is a short passage of pizzicato followed by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST instruments). The volume in the arco section is very quiet. If I change the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected. Is this a known bug and is there a solution? You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the "pizz." expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was not defined, or was defined using a different parameter. And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless the controller modified in the "pizz." expression was Key velocity, ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
Michael About the situation you describe: I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I have a problem with volume. There is a short passage of pizzicato followed by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST instruments). The volume in the arco section is very quiet. If I change the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected. Is this a known bug and is there a solution? You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the "pizz." expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was not defined, or was defined using a different parameter. And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless the controller modified in the "pizz." expression was Key velocity, ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
A maintenance upgrade is on the way, but I don't know if it solves this problem, and I don't know when it will be released. Chuck On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: This is happening on all my 2010 projects and it is driving me nuts. It never happened at 2009 but a collaborator has started using 2010, so I must use the same. It is worst when playing back an individual part by doing ctrl-spacebar while flying the mouse over the notes in question. Any rumors when they'll be putting out patches for 2010? I'm not sure how long I can take that. it is REALLY annoying. I've had to do the all-notes-off command 20 times this evening already. Christopher Smith wrote: I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have created an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends a sustain pedal ON message without ever sending the off message. Did you take a pedal articulation and change it to something else without checking the playback? That has got me more than once. However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the All Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have to quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key down during Speedy Entry and change staves. Christopher On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote: Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e- mail address which isn't on your subscribers' list. I'm sending it again with the correct e-mail. I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8. I’ve just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back. All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback. I literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding. I have it playing through Garritan instruments. I tried using general midi sounds and it does the same thing. It doesn’t do this with my other Finale files. Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what it is. I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does the same. This file did NOT have this problem before. The only thing I have done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8. Like I said before, none of my files have been effected. They all playback normally. My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this problem. Rudy Lupinski rp...@yahoo.com rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
This is happening on all my 2010 projects and it is driving me nuts. It never happened at 2009 but a collaborator has started using 2010, so I must use the same. It is worst when playing back an individual part by doing ctrl-spacebar while flying the mouse over the notes in question. Any rumors when they'll be putting out patches for 2010? I'm not sure how long I can take that. it is REALLY annoying. I've had to do the all-notes-off command 20 times this evening already. Christopher Smith wrote: I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have created an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends a sustain pedal ON message without ever sending the off message. Did you take a pedal articulation and change it to something else without checking the playback? That has got me more than once. However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the All Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have to quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key down during Speedy Entry and change staves. Christopher On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote: Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail address which isn't on your subscribers' list. I'm sending it again with the correct e-mail. I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8. I’ve just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back. All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback. I literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding. I have it playing through Garritan instruments. I tried using general midi sounds and it does the same thing. It doesn’t do this with my other Finale files. Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what it is. I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does the same. This file did NOT have this problem before. The only thing I have done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8. Like I said before, none of my files have been effected. They all playback normally. My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this problem. Rudy Lupinski rp...@yahoo.com rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Playback problem
Try this: MIDI/Audio > Device Setup > MIDI Setup... Check the box marked Match On/Off in the MIDI Out panel Peter -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Rudy Lupinski Sent: 13 August 2009 15:14 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Playback problem Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail address which isn't on your subscribers' list. I'm sending it again with the correct e-mail. I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8. I’ve just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back. All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback. I literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding. I have it playing through Garritan instruments. I tried using general midi sounds and it does the same thing. It doesn’t do this with my other Finale files. Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what it is. I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does the same. This file did NOT have this problem before. The only thing I have done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8. Like I said before, none of my files have been effected. They all playback normally. My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this problem. Rudy Lupinski rp...@yahoo.com rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback problem
I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have created an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends a sustain pedal ON message without ever sending the off message. Did you take a pedal articulation and change it to something else without checking the playback? That has got me more than once. However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the All Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have to quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key down during Speedy Entry and change staves. Christopher On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote: Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail address which isn't on your subscribers' list. I'm sending it again with the correct e-mail. I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8. I’ve just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back. All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback. I literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding. I have it playing through Garritan instruments. I tried using general midi sounds and it does the same thing. It doesn’t do this with my other Finale files. Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what it is. I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does the same. This file did NOT have this problem before. The only thing I have done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8. Like I said before, none of my files have been effected. They all playback normally. My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this problem. Rudy Lupinski rp...@yahoo.com rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
