[Finale] iKey question

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Does anyone know how to reprogram a keyboard shortcut for changing between scroll and page view in iKey? Since there are two menu items for this I don't know how to do it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: [Finale] iKey question

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Gibons
The best way to do this would be to program the keystroke command-option-` rather than a menu command. steve On Feb 25, 2005, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Does anyone know how to reprogram a keyboard shortcut for changing between scroll and page view in iKey? Since there are two menu

Re: [Finale] iKey question

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
There is two problems with this: Firstly, it is too slow (due to the reported keyboard commands delay) and secondly, this keystroke doesn't work on a German keyboard when in the text tool (while in page view), as it is the same as for one of the justification commands. This problem is limited

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Johannes Gebauer There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the expression list, it would only convolut it more. how about a set in-line (they appear in the Text List but are unassignable) default bookmarks which can be added to or modified by user? the defaults

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: David W. Fenton What I *would* support is if the text expression dialog's text box at the top were instead replaced with the standard Finale text editor. Then you could put anything in the text expression that you could put into the text editor, and the user interface would be exactly

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Multi-line expressions are a problem to create (unless that's been changed past 2K3). possible since 2004. There's no easy way to make any given object a stretchiness or smartness. proper typographical control - kerning - would allow for stretchiness, but not in any

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Noel Stoutenburg A running header, or a dedication in a text block have nothing to do with the way the music sounds, and I would submit that the line, is _not_ at all interchangeable with Allegro ma non troppo. dedications could be entered in a new file info entry box. -- shirling

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Johannes Gebauer It still escapes me why this kind of thing cannot live happily in two different tools. Before the expression tool was improved I could see that there was some overlap between measure text blocks and measure text expressions, however, all these problems are now indeed

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: David W. Fenton ...each different kind has different properties that have different effects on the music. Text blocks have a whole set of properties that are page-based (and have no effect on performance), while text expressions are measure- or note-attached. text blocks are page- or

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
kurt, johannes (and others), From: Kurt Gnos I would NOT mingle the two tools since they have an entirely other functionality. However, I'd like some of the things you mention, but in the Text Tool where I might use them. actually they don't, both tools at present control different instances of

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:48 AM 2/25/05 -0500, shirling neueweise wrote: From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz At 11:58 AM 2/24/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: It still escapes me why this kind of thing cannot live happily in two different tools. jef suggested two. ? one. Sorry. Meant two in one. That closer? :) D

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I think you are counting fly legs now. Tell me, what is it you are missing in a measure attached context, which cannot be done in the expression tool? (I can actually think of one situation, but that, on the other hand, is so special it is much better done in the text tool.) Johannes shirling

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Fine by me for the expression tool, but I still don't want my text blocks in there. Johannes shirling neueweise wrote: From: Johannes Gebauer There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the expression list, it would only convolut it more. how about a set in-line (they

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
It's not that I want to have the last word, but I use the two tools for entirely different things. When you say alignment of two expressions assigned with different tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you have to use two tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 25, 2005, at 10:47 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: kurt, johannes (and others), From: Kurt Gnos I would NOT mingle the two tools since they have an entirely other functionality. However, I'd like some of the things you mention, but in the Text Tool where I might use them. actually they

Re: [Finale] iKey question

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Gibons
On Feb 25, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: There is two problems with this: Firstly, it is too slow (due to the reported keyboard commands delay) Are you using vers. 1 or 2 of iKey? and secondly, this keystroke doesn't work on a German keyboard when in the text tool (while in page

[Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
Hello! The Finale Productivity Tips site got some major additions today. * I've put 19 brand new interviews on the site, with people in various ways connected with Finale (developers at MakeMusic, engravers, copyists, plug-in developers, publishers, composers, etc). I can almost guarantee that

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
I wrote: The Finale Productivity Tips site got some major additions today. [snip] The URL is: http://www.finaletips.nu/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 10:48, shirling neueweise wrote: the similarities in functioning are far greater than the differences, I disagree with this. The fact that both use blocks of texts is a trivial similarity. Everything *else* about the two is completely different, and *should* remain

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 10:49, shirling neueweise wrote: From: David W. Fenton ...each different kind has different properties that have different effects on the music. Text blocks have a whole set of properties that are page-based (and have no effect on performance), while text expressions are

[Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread Phil Daley
Here is a test to see how up-to-date your browser is. Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Mark D Lew
FYI, Jari, I'm reading the interviews page in Safari, and the sidebar is slightly too tall for the window, so that the bottom half of Tyler Turner is not visible. Vertical scrolling scrolls the main window only, so I can't get at the bottom of the sidebar. At normal size it looks funny but

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:12:19 -0800, Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, Jari, I'm reading the interviews page in Safari, and the sidebar is slightly too tall for the window, so that the bottom half of Tyler Turner is not visible. Vertical scrolling scrolls the main window only, so I

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Given the new capabilities of text expressions (multi-line, control of automatic placement), why would any one use a measure-attached text block, rather than a measure-attached expression? Justification. Can't do it in the new text expressions.

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Johannes Gebauer When you say alignment of two expressions assigned with different tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you have to use two tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not use the expression tool? currently because i can't full-justify multi-line

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: David W. Fenton So, the ideal world for me would be to have the all text blocks dialog added, which would allow selection of multiple text blocks and the application of properties to the selected group, but then to leave the text expression dialog as it is, with the exception of: such

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Harold Owen
Jari, These additions to the tips site are great! Now, how am I going to get any work done? ;-) Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
for the problem of management of a large number of Texts (page blocks, expressions, dynamics etc.), the bookmarks i mentioned could be helpful (click on dynamics and you are taken immediately to the marker dynamics in the list - key commands could be implemented), but perhaps something more

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
Mark D Lew wrote: I'm reading the interviews page in Safari, and the sidebar is slightly too tall for the window, so that the bottom half of Tyler Turner is not visible. Vertical scrolling scrolls the main window only, so I can't get at the bottom of the sidebar. At normal size it looks funny

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread dhbailey
Jari Williamsson wrote: I wrote: The Finale Productivity Tips site got some major additions today. [snip] The URL is: http://www.finaletips.nu/ Terrific addition! Thanks! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:08, shirling neueweise wrote: From: David W. Fenton So, the ideal world for me would be to have the all text blocks dialog added, which would allow selection of multiple text blocks and the application of properties to the selected group, but then to leave the text

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:18, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Given the new capabilities of text expressions (multi-line, control of automatic placement), why would any one use a measure-attached text block, rather than a measure-attached

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:22, shirling neueweise wrote: taking the above comments into consideration, can anyone give me an example of how their work would be _hindered_ or otherwise adversely affected if the (current) text tool and expression tool were combined into one tool (with an efficient

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 25, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: First, you can *always* access all the different interviews by clicking on the main Interviews link. Right. I had no problem with access. I just thought the sidebar looked funny, so I was passing that on in case you hadn't seen it.

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Ken Moore
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: I can't help you with the first, but to select and move more than one text block at a time, shift-click their handles, or drag around the handles to select several at once. You can then drag or nudge them at will, and restore default positioning by

[Finale] Clearing Staff Styles

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
Revelation! I often need to clear a staff style for a measure or two, and have done it for a number of years now by selecting Clear Staff Styles from the Staff menu. I just now discovered that I can do the same thing with one key, Clear on the Mac (I imagine it's the backspace above Enter for

[Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Linda Worsley
Listers, I know that there are many tekkie geniuses on this list and maybe one of you with knowledge of the various generations of CD players can answer this one: I'm preparing a set of CDs for an educational project (always a mind-blower, in terms of what people ask for). It's a listening

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
shirling neueweise wrote: From: Johannes Gebauer When you say alignment of two expressions assigned with different tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you have to use two tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not use the expression tool? currently because i can't

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Owain Sutton
Linda Worsley wrote: (Never mind that if music teachers have to punch the advance button ninety or so times, to access the final elements, they will go on disability for repetitive stress syndrome.) Ah... music educators... ya gotta love 'em. I'm no techie guru, but I can tell you that

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
Linda, I have a CD (it's the example set of CD's from Samuel Adler's book The Study of Orchestration that has index numbers in addition to track numbers. This means that Track 1 has five or so examples, each with their own index number, so Track 1.1, 1.2, etc. He manages to squeeze many

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 18:26, Linda Worsley wrote: What I want to know is: Does anyone have a good approximate cutoff year for players that are pretty much able to do what we need? I just realized the other night that I'm using a 20-year-old CD player as my primary CD player in my stereo system.

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Owain Sutton
Christopher Smith wrote: Linda, I have a CD (it's the example set of CD's from Samuel Adler's book The Study of Orchestration that has index numbers in addition to track numbers. This means that Track 1 has five or so examples, each with their own index number, so Track 1.1, 1.2, etc. He

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 18:47, Christopher Smith wrote: I'm not sure how to do this, as I have never used this feature of the spec myself, but this info might get you on the right track. It's a matter of setting up your cue sheet when recording to the CD. Here's a sample from a recent cue sheet

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:26 PM 2/25/05 -0500, Linda Worsley wrote: What I want to know is: Does anyone have a good approximate cutoff year for players that are pretty much able to do what we need? Okay, you had me curious. So I just burned a 79:58 CDR with the final track only 60 seconds long (so it would have to

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Linda Worsley
At 6:54 PM -0500 2/25/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Wouldn't this be better done with index numbers within the tracks? I considered that option, but at McGraw-Hill, when I was producing their recordings (not that long ago) we found that MANY teachers did not want index points, because they could

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread Simon Troup
Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale -

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Feb 2005 at 0:22, Simon Troup wrote: Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. It uses a non-standard technique, the name of which I forget, that was created by Microsoft and implemented in Internet Explorer, and that

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-25 Thread Godofredo Romero
Thank you very much for the time taken to feed me with such valuable information, you can be shure I will make the best use of it. Godofredo PS: Dont leave town because if I get stuck in the middle of the road to get to where I intend to I'll knock on your door one more once asking for help.

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread Owain Sutton
Simon Troup wrote: Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. No support for Europe. They really need to do some work. I feel like the anti-Columbus, scrolling off into the unknown

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread Simon Troup
So, it's really only luck that it's supported in anything other than IE, as it's depending on functionality that's not a W3C standard. I looked at it in FireFox and it looked quite effective. I'm not overly enthusiastic about MS going off and developing their own standards and innovations

[Finale] Re: new and improved... file info

2005-02-25 Thread shirling neueweise
From: shirling neueweise dedications could be entered in a new file info entry box. by the way, any other suggestions for new file info fields? - dedication - composition date (often different from year of copyright assignment in published scores) - instrumentation and text inserts? - total

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 25, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Christopher's suggestion of index numbers probably won't work. We have players capable of that at the radio station, but nobody's ever actually tried to use that feature! When you say won't work, do you mean that not all the cues will be

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:22 PM 2/25/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Christopher's suggestion of index numbers probably won't work. We have players capable of that at the radio station, but nobody's ever actually tried to use that feature! When you

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Feb 2005 at 20:22, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Christopher's suggestion of index numbers probably won't work. We have players capable of that at the radio station, but nobody's ever actually tried to use that feature! When

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:04 PM 2/25/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I actually want the functionality of measure text blocks improved, since at the moment there is only very limited use for them. I want to be able to assign a _measure_ attached text block to a position on the _page_. I know you pretty much

Re: [Finale] iKey question

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Gibons
I think I understand. You want to program a shortcut to toggle page view/scroll view. There are two menu items, presumably you would like to have only one keyboard shortcut that would work for both, as it would in Finale natively, but you can't, since iKey can't have two shortcuts with the same

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-25 Thread Michael L. Meyer
On 2/25/05 7:22 PM, Simon Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. Actually, it worked fine for me in Safari. I wonder what the difference was ...? -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 25, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 05:04 PM 2/25/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I actually want the functionality of measure text blocks improved, since at the moment there is only very limited use for them. I want to be able to assign a _measure_ attached text block

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved... file info

2005-02-25 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:08 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: by the way, any other suggestions for new file info fields? - dedication - composition date (often different from year of copyright assignment in published scores) - instrumentation I'm still on 2k2, so I don't know if they've added any

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)

2005-02-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Jari Williamsson / 05.2.25 / 02:29 PM wrote: Comments? Your width is dynamic. If you give the page size static, the page scroll bar, instead of layer one, will be always there, no? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query

2005-02-25 Thread Don Hart
Jari, Thanks for keeping up this website and for adding helpful things like the new interviews. I read through most of Tyler Turner's interview (I didn't realize the escape key did that!) and I thought I'd put out a general question about Simple Entry to the list: How many reading this have

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
So, it's not possible to do this with MP3 with XML interface? Most schools have computers these days, no? :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Godofredo Romero / 05.2.25 / 07:34 PM wrote: PS: Dont leave town because if I get stuck in the middle of the road to get to where I intend to I'll knock on your door one more once asking for help. I will be here :-) By the way, I just received March issue of Electric Musicians (not my

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-25 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: Actually, even with the players that don't have index forward/back buttons, if you turn on track display, it should display the index numbers. Huh? The cheap players I've mentioned earlier certainly dno't have that option. (And whoever suggested doing the whole thing

Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query

2005-02-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
Don Hart wrote: And is Simple really faster at editing than Speedy's enter key for pitches, or number keypad for rhythms? For MIDI entry it's roughly the same, without MIDI it's absolutely faster. Since you're typically set the rhythms before the pitch in Simple, there's no need for the Enter key