tanley N Salthe
> Sent: jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21
> To: Burgin, Mark; fis
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
>
> Mark -- What Shannon referred to as 'entropy' was 'variety'. 'Information'
> per se was achieved by way of a
Dear Arturo,
> On 21 May 2018, at 12:49, tozziart...@libero.it wrote:
>
> Dear Bruno,
> You state that:
> "When poll are done at congress in cosmology or quantum computing, about half
> of the physicists endorse the non collapse theory, as it is covariant, and
> has no “measurement problem”.
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>
> *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Stanley
> N Salthe
> *Sent:* jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21
> *To:* Burgin, Mark; fis
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
>
>
>
> Mark -- W
: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Stanley N
Salthe
Sent: jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21
To: Burgin, Mark; fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Mark -- What Shannon referred to as 'entropy' was 'variety'. 'Information'
p
.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of London;
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Burgin, Mark"
> To: "Søren Brier" ; "Krassimir Markov" ;
> "fis@listas.unizar.es"
&
: [Fis] Is information physical?
Dear Emanuel,
Hi!
I'm sorry, but the UCLA finding does not put an end to any question.
Indeed, this paper about memory transfer has been highly criticized:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2018/05/18/epic-snail-about-t
hat-injectable-memory-study
Dear Emanuel,
Hi!
I'm sorry, but the UCLA finding does not put an end to any question. Indeed,
this paper about memory transfer has been highly criticized:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2018/05/18/epic-snail-about-that-injectable-memory-study/#.Ww-V81UzYps
The term "materi
rk" <mailto:mbur...@math.ucla.edu>>
To: "Søren Brier" mailto:sbr@cbs.dk>>; "Krassimir
Markov" mailto:mar...@foibg.com>>;
"fis@listas.unizar.es" <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information
Objet : RE: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear Christoph
I am not sure what you mean. In my understanding the important dynamics in
Peirce’s pragmaticist semiotics is that symbols grow and create habits in a web
of signs in nature as well as in culture viewing the central
bolic nature that through evolution and
history develops reasoning in many interlocking dimension.
Best
Søren
From: Christophe Menant
Sent: 25. maj 2018 09:08
To: Søren Brier ; fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: RE: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear Soren,
Yo
r.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en>
-- Original Message --
From: "Burgin, Mark"
To: "Søren Brier" ; "Krassimir Markov" ; "
fis@listas.unizar.es"
Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logic
De : Fis de la part de Søren Brier
Envoyé : jeudi 24 mai 2018 17:44
À : Loet Leydesdorff; Burgin, Mark; Krassimir Markov; fis@listas.unizar.es
Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear Mark, Loet and others
My point was that all the
user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en
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From: "Burgin, Mark" mailto:mbur...@math.ucla.edu>>
To: "Søren Brier" mailto:sbr@cbs.dk>>; "Krassimir Markov"
mailto:mar...@foibg.com>>;
"fis@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis@listas.uniza
Thanks Lou, you are surely right to point out the object-nature of concepts.
>There is no escape from sooner or later realizing that 2 exists only
in the mind or in the Mind.
Indeed. Our minds are full of such concepts. It seems that one of the
important activities of the mind is to generate
itations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en
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From: "Burgin, Mark"
To: "Søren Brier" ; "Krassimir Markov"
; "fis@listas.unizar.es"
Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear Søren,
You
Dai,
I start down a road toward attempting to understand information by first
understanding number and form.
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…
Is a number a thing?
Is 2 a thing?
Cannot say that this 2, this || “is” two. Rather it partakes in being a couple.
2 is relational. We say that there are 2 signs in t
Dear Jerry, Joseph and all FISers,
The title of my contribution is Logical Analysis but not Formal Logical
Analysis. It means that I did not use any formal logic but thoroughly
applied simple mundane logic, which is frequently used in everyday life.
Sincerely,
Mark
On 5/18/2018 8:45 A
and the technical sciences
that makes up the foundation of most conceptions of information science.
Best
Søren
*Fra:*Fis *På vegne af *Krassimir Markov
*Sendt:* 17. maj 2018 11:33
*Til:* fis@listas.unizar.es; Burgin, Mark
*Emne:* Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A
Dear Bruno,
You state that:
"When poll are done at congress in cosmology or quantum computing, about half
of the physicists endorse the non collapse theory, as it is covariant, and has
no “measurement problem”.
This means that the main tenet of your account, your "First Principle", is not
acce
Dear Arturo,
This is already my second post of this week, so you might answer to my two
posts, and I will comment your possible answer (if necessary) next week. Thank
you.
> On 20 May 2018, at 19:30, tozziart...@libero.it wrote:
>
> Dear Bruno,
> You talk about "some non mechanical super-ent
Dear Bruno,
You talk about "some non mechanical super-entities (which exist also in the
arithmetical reality)".
This way of reasoning throws us into the realm of the philosophy of
mathematics, in which you clearly pursue a neo-platonism in the traces of
Tegmark, Godel, Husserl, Tiles, against
Hi Dai Griffith, Hi Colleagues,
> On 17 May 2018, at 13:44, Dai Griffiths wrote:
>
> What is a 'thing'?
>
I assume Digital Mechanism all along. I don’t know if it is true, but if true
it provides a clear (and tastable) answer.
For the staring basic primitive “ontological”, you can stat fro
amp;hl=en
-- Original Message --
From: "Jose Javier Blanco Rivero"
To: "Burgin, Mark"
Cc: "Fis,"
Sent: 5/17/2018 12:47:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear FISers,
I recently came across an old interview to W. van Orma
What is a 'thing'?
Perhaps it is more reasonable to think that only processes exist, and
that for human convenience in living in the world we put conceptual
membranes around some parts of those processes and call them 'things'.
From this point of view we do not have two aspects (things and
p
Dear FISers,
I recently came across an old interview to W. van Orman Quine and I got an
idea -maybe not very original per se. Quine distinguishes two kind of
philosophical problems: ontological (those referred to the existence of
things) and predicative (what can we say and know about things). Ag
en
Fra: Fis På vegne af Krassimir Markov
Sendt: 17. maj 2018 11:33
Til: fis@listas.unizar.es; Burgin, Mark
Emne: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis
Dear Mark and FIS Colleagues,
First of all. I support the idea of Mark to write a paper and to publish it in
IJ ITA.
It will be ni
. “physical” include “mental” include “structural”.
Finally, IF “information is physical, structural and mental” THEN simply the
“information is physical”!
Friendly greetings
Krassimir
From: Burgin, Mark
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 5:20 AM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is
Dear FISers,
It was an interesting discussion, in which many highly intelligent
and creative individuals participated expressing different points of
view. Many interesting ideas were suggested. As a conclusion to this
discussion, I would like to suggest a logical analysis of the problem
Daer Bruno,
first of all, sorry for the previous private communication, but for a mistake,
I did not add the FIS list in the CC.
Concerning your Faith, i.e., arithmetic, this appraoch... simply does not work
for the description of physical and biological issues. It is just in our mind.
Se
and may be
> measured by other objects.
>
> To understand more clearly, let see the case of “time”.
>
> Does the time really exist?
>
> Does the time exist without real regular processes which we may reflect
> and compare?
>
> The time is falling drops of water, the
ing drops of water
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:47 AM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical?
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to suggest the new topic for discussion
Is information physical?
My opinion is presented below:
Why
2:35 (PDT)
À : tozziart...@libero.it
Cc : fis@listas.unizar.es
Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical? OR Does the information exist
without the carrier?
Dear Folks,
I suspect I am past quota for the week. Apologies for that.
1. Work in logic and mathematics is scientific even if mathematicians and
words, can the color, speed, weigh, temperature, time, etc., exist
>>> without objects which these characteristics belong to and may be measured
>>> by other objects.
>>>
>>> To understand more clearly, let see the case of “time”.
>>>
>>> Does the time r
; >De : u...@umces.edu
> >Date : 25/04/2018 - 08:14 (PDT)
> >À : mbur...@math.ucla.edu
> >Cc : fis@listas.unizar.es
> >Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical?
> >
> >Dear Mark,
> >
> >I share your inclination, albeit from a different perspective.
>
a.edu<mailto:mbur...@math.ucla.edu>
Cc : fis@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>
Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical?
Dear Mark,
I share your inclination, albeit from a different perspective.
Consider the two statements:
1. Information is impossible without a physica
ature, time, etc., exist
>>>without objects which these characteristics belong to and may be measured by
>>>other objects.
>>>To understand more clearly, let see the case of “time”.
>>>Does the time really exist?
>>>Does the time exist w ithout real re
ve “time”?
>>
>>
>> I think, we have a question in two interrelated explanations:
>>
>> - Is information physical?
>>
>> - Does the information exist without the carrier?
>>
>>
>> Friendly greetings
>>
>> Krassimir
>>
ces.edu"
Cc: "fis@listas.unizar.es"
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? 'Signs rust.'
Information refers to changes in patterns of energy flow, some slow (frozen),
some fast, some quantitative and measurable, some qualitative and
non-measurable, some meaningful and s
time.
Best wishes,
Joseph
>Message d'origine
>De : u...@umces.edu
>Date : 25/04/2018 - 08:14 (PDT)
>À : mbur...@math.ucla.edu
>Cc : fis@listas.unizar.es
>Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical?
>
>Dear Mark,
>
>I share your inclination, albeit from a dif
Dear Mark,
I share your inclination, albeit from a different perspective.
Consider the two statements:
1. Information is impossible without a physical carrier.
2. Information is impossible without the influence of that which does not exist.
There is significant truth in both statements.
I kno
tion exist without the carrier?
>
>
> Friendly greetings
>
> Krassimir
>
>
> From: Burgin, Mark <mailto:mbur...@math.ucla.edu>
> the movement of the pendulum
>
> falling drops of water
>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:47 AM
&
The question „Is information physical?” relates to the equivalence between
two mental/emotional contents of the brain, and can be compared to “Is A =
B ?” at first sight. In the form the question is posed, it is rendered in a
more empathic fashion in the form “Does A contain a sufficiently large
pr
Dear all,
Following the ideas of Mark, Lou, Krassimir and Arturo, I think it is
worth to insist on a proposal I made in this forum a few months ago. That
is, the thesis of a general theory of communication media.
(Before going on I would like to remark that the concepts used here do not
designat
Thanks everyone, all very stimulating!
On 25/04/18 03:47, Burgin, Mark wrote:
Any reasonable person will tell that the textbook contains knowledge
This is a metaphor. It is helpful in managing the complex relationships
of humans with media, but will lead us into tangles if we believe that
it i
Hi all,
Information is information.
There is no reason to bundle it under any other genus.
There are physical information! (Cf., my paper at the Vienna conference,
2015.)
... And there are other (non-physical) information.
Other approach:
Information follows, in certain aspects, some laws of
Dear Lou and Mark,
Thanks for this - it is very important.
A quick question: why does it have to one or the other? Does the law of the
excluded middle apply to information? Why can't it be both?
As a way of extending this, can I suggest that the boundary between the
physical and the non-physical
ter Society Pr.,
1993. pp. 333～337.
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es On Behalf
Of Louis H Kauffman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:52 PM
To: Burgin, Mark
Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical?
Dear Mark,
Thank you for suggesting this topic.
I concur who
Dear Mark,
Thank you for suggesting this topic.
I concur wholeheartedly with your stand on this matter.
Information in the sense that you indicate
is pattern that is independent of the particular substrate on which it is
‘carried’.
There is a persistent myth in popular scientific culture that ma
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to suggest the new topic for discussion
Is information physical?
My opinion is presented below:
Why some people erroneously think that information is physical
The main reason to think that information is physical is the stron
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