RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be a newbie type question then post it to the appropriate list. Otherwise what's the point in having 2 lists? My point really was that this list used to be more about posting techniques, discoveries, neat tricks - or complex questions, bug workarounds, undocumented features. We seem to have lost that and moved on to a bunch of fairly easy to answer (just by googling or checking the archive, or even god forbid the help docs/live docs) questions. Yes we can filter them out, but I think they've devalued the core principles behind this list - hence we seem to have lost key people. Then we end up in a viscious circle... M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very little with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Honestly, I think most of the interesting stuff happens in flexcoders, the as3 list, the open source lists for specific projects. This *is* the newbie list now... by default. Hank On 6/13/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be a newbie type question then post it to the appropriate list. Otherwise what's the point in having 2 lists? My point really was that this list used to be more about posting techniques, discoveries, neat tricks - or complex questions, bug workarounds, undocumented features. We seem to have lost that and moved on to a bunch of fairly easy to answer (just by googling or checking the archive, or even god forbid the help docs/live docs) questions. Yes we can filter them out, but I think they've devalued the core principles behind this list - hence we seem to have lost key people. Then we end up in a viscious circle... M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very little with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I must admit, I have to agree. I code full time in .NET, ActionScript and god knows how many other languages, yet I just found myself looking up how to initialise a string array in .NET. How newbie is that? Fact is, if I asked that question on a list, I wouldn't be a newb for asking the question, I'd just be what I am... mentally cluttered. And I don't know a single developer that isn't ;-) Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Rønning Sent: 13 June 2006 14:10 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit. The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list. Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant and shortsighted. Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then. This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity. - A ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Any way you look at it, we're building a searchable repository of both newb and advanced tips. Flash programmers aren't Nazis, marching together as some kind of unified front against all newbies. A community has elements from all skill levels, and if a newbie has a coding question for the group, I don't see why it shouldn't be asked. If the newbie hasn't searched for the answer before posting, he/she should receive a mild electric shock and we can be done with it. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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RTFM: http://www.osflash.org/flashcoders/etiquette ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I honestly havent done much of that lately due primarily to workload). But if you are looking for cutting edge stuff that many people havent thought about before, this is probably no longer the place for that. Does that make this list a bad place? No. Does it make the people on it stupid? Hardly. But does it mean that over time you may look other places for certain types of more advanced or specific insight? I think so. I think that shows the growth of the flash platform and nothing more. Hank On 6/13/06, Andreas Rønning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit. The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list. Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant and shortsighted. Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then. This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity. - A ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced Actionscripters. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:18 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I honestly havent done much of that lately due primarily to workload). But if you are looking for cutting edge stuff that many people havent thought about before, this is probably no longer the place for that. Does that make this list a bad place? No. Does it make the people on it stupid? Hardly. But does it mean that over time you may look other places for certain types of more advanced or specific insight? I think so. I think that shows the growth of the flash platform and nothing more. Hank On 6/13/06, Andreas Rønning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit. The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list. Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant and shortsighted. Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then. This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity. - A ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie question? Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us all) and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a mailing list to find the answers. Forget I spoke. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced Actionscripters. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I will say, the newbie list is friendlier than this list by about a factor of 10. :) Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:59 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie question? Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us all) and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a mailing list to find the answers. Forget I spoke. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced Actionscripters. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Awww, Jason... In the spirit of making this list friendly, may I say I love you all and I think you're all the best. May you all have a great day and not have too many bugs so you don't get slammed when asking something stupid ;-) Kindest, most warmest regards and lots of hugs, Lee PS, When do we get with the gift exchanging? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 16:05 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I will say, the newbie list is friendlier than this list by about a factor of 10. :) Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:59 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie question? Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us all) and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a mailing list to find the answers. Forget I spoke. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced Actionscripters. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced Actionscripters. But what's the point of having two lists then? I don't and I can't read all of the messages here. I also found myself reading it far less than I used to. I like to help people when I can once I'm here, but I come here because there is the benefit of learning about issues others face so I'm aware of them should I run into them in the future. It helps me to know what is going on in the Flash world, what kind of tools are out there and what techniques people use. You know, those moments when you remember you read something somewhere and begin to look it up because you know there is something out there that might be helpful in the situation you found yourself in. However, when I read questions that show somebody didn't RTFM, I just roll my eyes and move on. If that happens too often, I just don't read the list any more. I don't consider that an elitist attitude at all, it really is only the short moment when I decide where to click -- I tend to click on, say, the haXe list or osflash as soon as I notice a new mail arrived because I find it exciting, but to be honest, when I click on FlashCoders, the motivation is, well, distraction. That's sad, and I really miss the discussions that used to be here during times when hot topics were whether to use Rebel Alliance style inheritance or to better stick with the docs and swallow that extra instantiation of a prototype object. Those were the kind of threads that drew me to this list, and I have learned a lot just by reading discussions between some of the resident AS Gods. I guess what it boils down to is that I need the feeling that the list is relevant to my needs to keep reading it. In fact, newbie questions are only part of the issue, the other is simply that Flash has grown and there are areas that don't affect me, no matter how sophisticated the question may be. For example, I don't use the Macromedia/Adobe components, so I consider questions regarding them as noise, even though they are of course totally appropriate to ask here. That there are obvious beginner questions is just something on top of that that lessens the value the list has for me, personally, and that seems unnecessary since there is a list specifically for FlashNewbies. Mark -- http://snafoo.org/ key: 1BD689C0 (3801 6F51 4810 C674 1491 ADE7 D8F6 0203 1BD6 89C0) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Hello I am a Noob, I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is. But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag. Please use your Action Script Super Powers to help me solve this problem. You will save my life, and I will love you for ever. I have a deal The first one who can help me fix this problem will forever in my eyes be known as the Champion of the 2006 International Flash Coders Content Degrading Debate. I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think you are a real ninja. Help Guru's!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Before Flashcoders was around, people had to solve their Flash problems on their own. After Flashcoders was around, some people didn't know about it and had to solve their Flash problems on their own. Bottom line is - the solutions are out there and many people don't take the time to try and solve their problems on their own before taking it to the list. They think that it will be faster if they just ask the list, without realizing they are robbing themselves of an important exercise in training their own resourcefulness and problem solving abilities, and at the same time degrading the signal to noise ratio of Flashcoders. I can't tell you how many times in the past three months I've seen the same exact newbie issues repeated over and over. Flashcoders is not supposed to be the newbie arena. It's become the newbie area because help vampires have infested it. If a question is 'beneath you' you got more problems than newbies. Nobody demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then. I recommend reading some Ayn Rand. Just because you need doesn't mean you're entitled. Hasn't history proven that communism doesn't work? Don't expect others to help you simply because you need help and aren't willing to help yourself. Telling the Flash veterans to help me, ignore me, or piss off is eventually going to reduce this list to newbies helping newbies. Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up. Apparently, petulant children have taken over. The internet is the world's most comprehensive encyclopedia. While wikipedia might have fallacious information in it, it's very rare to find misleading facts about Flash out there. This article sums it up very well. http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires It's so regular you could set your watch by it. The decay of a community is just as predictable as the decay of certain stable nuclear isotopes. As soon as an open source project, language, or what-have-you achieves a certain notoriety-its half-life, if you will-they swarm in, seemingly draining the very life out of the community itself. The chief indicator of a Help Vampire problem is the lack of helpfulness-the community may still appear to be bustling and lively, but if on closer inspection the conversation is all towards the shallow end of the pool, with moderately difficult questions going unanswered, then a Help Vampire infestation is likely. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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The problem with a list named FlashNewbies is that help vampires, or newbies who don't want to actually do any work, tend to avoid newbie lists and go straight for the advanced ones because that's where they perceive the advanced people to be. Why ask a noob how to do something when you can ask pro? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Perfect example of what we are talking about: I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is. But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag. I'm going to get sort of unfriendly for a moment. I hate to, but I think this illustrates the topic at hand. Matt, What makes you think it can't be answered on the newbie list? And if you've been told it's a newbie question, then why NOT ask the newbie list? We've actually answered your questions here on Flashcoders regarding that a hundred different ways. I think the real problem here, Count Chocula, is you're not employing basic debugging routines. You're also assuming that to get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag is a single problem to tackle with a single answer. It's not. That's two separate issues to tackle at minimum. First tackle getting a string from Flashvars. Then push that string to your mp3 player and debug that. I think the trace() function will help you a lot. At least spread some around and tell us what you see. That will be a lot more useful to us in helping you than just complaining you still can't get it working and asking us to use our please use our Actionscript Super Powers to save you. :) Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Mc Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:21 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading Hello I am a Noob, I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is. But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag. Please use your Action Script Super Powers to help me solve this problem. You will save my life, and I will love you for ever. I have a deal The first one who can help me fix this problem will forever in my eyes be known as the Champion of the 2006 International Flash Coders Content Degrading Debate. I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think you are a real ninja. Help Guru's!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I think this thread quite completely explains the subject line. Besides, when it comes down to it, a list is no different the latest/greatest hangout you'd find with your friends. For a while, it was great - not many people knew, and it was cool. THen everyone found out, it got saturated, and you moved on because it was no longer what you remeber liking about it. Not to mention, that there are somethings you just simply outgrow. Maybe it's not so much that the list changed, as it is yourself. Last I checked, we still have the same bat players on the same bat channel. The only thing changing are the questions and new hangouts. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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*heh* I almost asked where is the flash newbie list. Subtly hilarious, eh? I'm not really sure where I fall - middling I think - but I figure it can't hurt to subscribe to that list as well - if I am more advanced than the bulk there, well, one often learns by teaching (or by having your teaching corrected), right? Anyway, I know its been posted here before, but in case anyone can't be bothered to go find it: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie See you there. - phaedrus ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfect example of what we are talking about: While we're at it, a general piece of advice: I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think you are a real ninja. The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on( clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered, others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes after sending. So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have the time. Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I have encountered in the past: Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked. Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved. Mark -- http://snafoo.org/ key: 1BD689C0 (3801 6F51 4810 C674 1491 ADE7 D8F6 0203 1BD6 89C0) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one. When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some time to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it and it would be as clean as possible. Sorry if I still don't meet your standards of list behavior. Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week. Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real world, I am a designer I am learning flash and can make my way around the flash design environment just fine. If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help (noob) than I wouldn't really need this list now would I. Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem solved their without getting spurned by an elitist. The truth about this board is that most people are helpfull and those are the people that I have come in contact with. Well untill Mark made his post. Have a Nice Day Mark. Matthew Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason wrote: Perfect example of what we are talking about: While we're at it, a general piece of advice: I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think you are a real ninja. The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on( clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered, others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes after sending. So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have the time. Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I have encountered in the past: Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked. Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved. Mark -- http://snafoo.org/ key: 1BD689C0 (3801 6F51 4810 C674 1491 ADE7 D8F6 0203 1BD6 89C0) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. If you spent half as much time reading the documentation as you did packaging the files and typing that email, you'd have figured it out on your own already. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I am sure some people post every question they have with out doing research. I looked everywhere including the origional authors website. Common Creative licence I used this list as an absolute last resort. PS. a programmer at work helped me with the problem and we have it solved. But for the last week it has fallen on me to make it happen. Under pressure you look for the help you can thats why we have a list like this right! So we can learn more and get better at what we do. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. Agreed. I enjoy helping amateurs on smaller problems (offlist), as people from various places have helped me when I was learning the basics. What goes around comes around. Zips are so much more friendly though. If i have a period of downtime at work, then if there's a zip, i'm far more likely to download it and have a quick look, rather than commit myself to individual correspondence. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Thanks Mike I will check that out. I do really appreciate all the time you guys give to this list. Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up. Apparently, petulant children have taken over. Excellent summarization. The problem is, this tells me more about you than it does about the list. This is probably your first time to see an email list go full cycle. Eventually you'll move on to another list that is better for you, it'll rule for a while, and then the same thing will happen: the newbs will take over, and you'll have to move on again. For me, having cut my teeth on BBSes, usenet, and gopher, the entire internet has gone to the newbs, and I'm waiting for the next internet to be invented so that I can move on. ;-) ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week. Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real world, I am a designer I am learning flash and can make my way around the flash design environment just fine. If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help (noob) than I wouldn't really need this list now would I. Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem solved their without getting spurned by an elitist. I've got four words for you. Buy a freaking book. :) There are NUMEROUS books out there on the subject. There are books dedicated to helping designers learn how to code in Flash from a designer's perspective. I'm sure you'll find something at Amazon or your local bookstore. When I wanted to learn Ruby on Rails, I went out and bought a few books. I read them from cover to cover and then I started coding, referring back to the books when I needed assistance. If I came across something the book didn't cover, I'd run a bunch of google searches. Finally, if I couldn't figure something out, I'd hop on the IRC channel and ask very specific questions which would lead me towards the solution, not asking for the solution. Here's the truth. Programming is not for everyone. It requires a type of patience, perseverance, and masochism that few possess. Maybe you're just not cut out for it. That doesn't mean anyone is better than you, just different than you. If your strength is design, I say follow that path because programming really can be frustrating for many people. I can't draw a button. Anytime I try I end up frustrated. Imagine if there was a mailing list for designers and I got on and asked questions about how to draw buttons. I might get help at first but eventually people would say Go buy a book on drawing and practice. I have friends who have been drawing since they were children. They have a sketchbook and always have some book like how to draw faces, or arms, or animals, or whatever. They're constantly practicing techniques. It's no different. There's a great quote about programming. programming: n. A pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. That second line is a mis-quote. I didn't say that, Mark did. Though I agree :) Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Why not hire a designer? Precisely my point. Hence, a designer should hire a programmer if they need some programming done. :) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Hey Matt, give Xray a try: www.osflash.org/xray Look at your flash application/site in anyway you want and learn a TON more about the player at the same time. I've heard from so many flash devs that they not only fixed their issues, but their knowledge of the player went up 10 fold while using xray. Yeah, i'm biased, but it flat out works. Hell, any good debug routine will help immensly to be honest. hth, JG On 6/13/06, Matt Mc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one. When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some time to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it and it would be as clean as possible. Sorry if I still don't meet your standards of list behavior. Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week. Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real world, I am a designer I am learning flash and can make my way around the flash design environment just fine. If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help (noob) than I wouldn't really need this list now would I. Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem solved their without getting spurned by an elitist. The truth about this board is that most people are helpfull and those are the people that I have come in contact with. Well untill Mark made his post. Have a Nice Day Mark. Matthew Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason wrote: Perfect example of what we are talking about: While we're at it, a general piece of advice: I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think you are a real ninja. The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on( clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered, others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes after sending. So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have the time. Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I have encountered in the past: Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked. Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved. Mark -- http://snafoo.org/ key: 1BD689C0 (3801 6F51 4810 C674 1491 ADE7 D8F6 0203 1BD6 89C0) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- John Grden - Blitz
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Some FlashCoders might be moving over to FlexCoders, where they can talk about ActionScript 3... On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in: Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to have lost some of its bleeding edge status. Anyone else sense this change in the force? It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to: OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org What's the traffic/quality ratio there like? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Been like that for quite some time. Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. Others seem to disagree, and while I too am interested in various topics Flash-related, they don't necessarily belong here. Dave Watts gave an excellent post and link a couple of weeks ago about list etiquette: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/pipermail/flashcoders/2006-May/166785.html Derek Vadneau - Original Message - From: Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in: Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to have lost some of its bleeding edge status. Anyone else sense this change in the force? It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to: OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org What's the traffic/quality ratio there like? M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the hang on a minute... moment and begat this email Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related. I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority It's cyclical, like everything else. In the absence of stimulating discussion of complex and interesting problems, some newbie questions and OT posts don't bother me. Keep in mind, though, that 8-12 months ago we were anticipating a new release, talking about what may or may not be in it, and what it may mean for the future of Flash. There has also been a FlashCom release, a Flex beta that includes AS3, and a MM was aquired by Adobe, so in the wake of all that, it would be surpising if it didn't seem a little boring around here for a while. ;-) I get, on average, around 500 real emails a day (as opposed to what catches in my spam trap and the crap that gets through), so I'm used to deleting the majority of them anyway. Deleting 100 a day to get to the handful that I want to read isn't a big deal for me. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I still don't have a good answer for it. On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the hang on a minute... moment and begat this email Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related. I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very little with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 8ball Developer Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:14 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I still don't have a good answer for it. On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the hang on a minute... moment and begat this email Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related. I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Er, didn't they just turn this thread into what they commented they'd prefer not to see so much of in the FlashCoders list? ;-) Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very little with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 8ball Developer Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:14 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I still don't have a good answer for it. On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the hang on a minute... moment and begat this email Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related. I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
Not to mention the ability to search through messages (or digests) for keywords of interest. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
There is no free license for the standalone player alone, that I know of. Are you trying to distribute to just one person for development/approval purposes? If so, then just send an EXE with a SWF that loads another SWF at startup as someone suggested, so that you can just send them new SWFs to test. If you are trying to distribute the player, you need to apply for a license to do so. If the license on the Adobe site does not satisfy your needs you should contact Adobe for licensing options. Licensing requirements are best discussed with lawyers not other developers. Everyone has their opinion, but only a lawyer is going to be able to give you the legal devices to back you up. If you are planning to distribute you might also want to look at some of the SWF2EXE options out there. Derek Vadneau http://MadeByDerek.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: 8ball Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I still don't have a good answer for it. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
We know. The only way to discuss the list with the list is to post on the list. Derek Vadneau - Original Message - From: Lee McColl-Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading Er, didn't they just turn this thread into what they commented they'd prefer not to see so much of in the FlashCoders list? ;-) Lee ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I use rules with entourage, and then filter by subject, you can delete all messages with a matching subject that way. Somethin like that might work for you. I'm sure u can do it in outlook as well. a On 6/12/06 7:37 AM, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in: Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to have lost some of its bleeding edge status. Anyone else sense this change in the force? It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to: OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org What's the traffic/quality ratio there like? M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
I m enjoying this...Sometime this kind of thread helps as a break :) -Neh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Buchanan Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:12 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I use rules with entourage, and then filter by subject, you can delete all messages with a matching subject that way. Somethin like that might work for you. I'm sure u can do it in outlook as well. a On 6/12/06 7:37 AM, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in: Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to have lost some of its bleeding edge status. Anyone else sense this change in the force? It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to: OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org What's the traffic/quality ratio there like? M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
