Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread Andrew Sinning
Ah, the chainability paradigm. That makes perfect sense. The language doesn't care if you are referencing an array of differently typed objects or a specific object, so I guess that strong typing is ruled out. I really like jQueryMobile, but it can be a huge PITA trying to find the accessors for

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread Kevin Newman
That's an architectural quirk of jQuery - it's their whole chainability paradigm - everything returns a configured instance of jQuery. It works well in JavaScript, but I can see how it wouldn't work well in a typed languge. That said, jQuery's chainability paradigm is not my favorite, even in

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread tom rhodes
> > ___ > > > -Original Message- > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: > flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of tom rhodes > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:38 AM > To: Flash Coders List > Subject: Re: [

RE: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread Merrill, Jason
des Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:38 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe? wow just imagine only having MovieClips ;) i even remember not having functions in actionscript... as i mentioned before you can automate the process of making the extern/interface

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread tom rhodes
wow just imagine only having MovieClips ;) i even remember not having functions in actionscript... as i mentioned before you can automate the process of making the extern/interface for whatever widget you like using macros. the Jquery type thing is an interesting point though really, it's a massi

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread Andrew Sinning
By widgets I was mean the tab, according, progress bar, etc., and in the jQueryMobile all the really great form elements. What I don't like about the haXe-jQuery API is that every object has type "JQuery". It seems to be it would be much programmer-friendly if there were sub-classes for the indiv

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-02 Thread tom rhodes
@Andrew: as Kevin said, jQuery is in there as standard (i posted an example of some simple jQuery haxe earlier in this thread). by widgets i guess you mean plug ins though right? check this conversation http://haxe.1354130.n2.nabble.com/How-to-provide-signatures-for-JQuery-plugins-td6906149.html,

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread Kevin Newman
It depends on how you want to work. haXe has jQuery support though: http://haxe.org/api/js/jquery Kevin N. On 12/1/11 1:12 PM, Andrew Sinning wrote: I'd be very interested in haXe if it included a set of interface classes for jquery widgets. I.e. a way to build HTML5 applications in AS3 (if

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Sinning
I'd be very interested in haXe if it included a set of interface classes for jquery widgets. I.e. a way to build HTML5 applications in AS3 (if that is the proper name for the language of haXe) without having to reference javascript classes and the DOM via an object-blind IDE. When you create an o

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread Cédric Muller
No problem, I am not very fair actually :) Flex was epic fail since the beginning. How would you name a framework you don't believe in ? I stand corrected with Nicolas and am deeply sorry to have skipped all the people names behind 'nowadays HaXe' Adobe ? They are a bunch of cool business peop

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread tom rhodes
Hey cedric :) haxe used to be a one man effort. there are quite a few people on the compiler team now, then there are others that develop and maintain the different targets. so it's not fair to say it's a one man show, although it is fair to say that nicholas created something very very impressive

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread Cédric Muller
:) What if we acknowledge the fact that HaXe is a one man efforts. Then, we can compare this man (Nicolas Cannasse) with Adobe's efforts and teams of tens of tens of people. There, there my ladies and gents, there we have it. Shame on Adobe, once again, once again (I am serious, and the issue i

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-12-01 Thread tom rhodes
erkins > >>>> - > >>>> http://www.nudoru.com > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:05 PM, "Merrill, Jason" > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> FlashDevelop IDE support HaXe, though I do

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Ross Sclafani
elop IDE support HaXe, though I don't know how far it goes. >> But >>>> FlashDevelop does have many of those features, like refactoring for >> example. >>>>> >>>>> Jason Merrill >>>>> Instructional Technology Architect II

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
t;> Jason Merrill > >>> Instructional Technology Architect II > >>> Bank of America Global Learning > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> > >>> > >&

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Ross Sclafani
t;> >>> >>> >>> _______ >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: >> flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of ??? ? >&g

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
> > Jason Merrill > > Instructional Technology Architect II > > Bank of America Global Learning > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: > flashcoders-boun..

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Matt Perkins
t; ___ > > > -Original Message- > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com > [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of ??? > ? > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:48 PM > To: Flash Coders List > Subj

RE: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
ssage- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of ??? ? Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:48 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe? Alas, HaXe still doesn't have an IDE su

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Евгений Потапенко
Alas, HaXe still doesn't have an IDE support in a proper level to call it a language for real projects. It's a good toy to play with. Or maybe to dream of a swiss-knife style language "for any purpose whatsoever". Nevertheless, without any IDE supporting refactoring, find usages, type checking a

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kevin Newman
My info seems to be out of date (re: NME for example) - but HaXe came from MTASC, which was an alternative AS2 to bytecode compiler. I think haXe's first target was AVM2 bytecode, having been built after MTASC, and the creator not wanting to bother with "questionable" AS3 design considerations

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kevin Newman
Wow, they have Stage3D in there - I may have to seriously consider moving into HaXe. Sounds awesome. :-) Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
.@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: > flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of tom rhodes > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:18 PM > To: Flash Coders List > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe? > > haxe has been around for a long time already. the community

RE: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
___ -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of tom rhodes Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:18 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Andrew Sinning
PHP was started in 1995. HaXe in 2005. 6 years out, in 2001, PHP was HUGE! More importantly, HaXe if far more ambitious than PHP. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: > The same thing could have been said of PHP many years ago. I don't think > HaXe is going anywhere. > > Kev

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
haxe has been around for a long time already. the community is growing and not shrinking. open source as a model i would say is better in the long run than proprietary (just look at what adobe have done to flash/flex). haxe also isn't tied to one particular technology, so it stands a greater chanc

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kevin Newman
The same thing could have been said of PHP many years ago. I don't think HaXe is going anywhere. Kevin N. On 11/30/11 11:43 AM, Andrew Sinning wrote: Jumping into this discussion. Is anybody concerned that HaXe will die or languish, that features will be unsupported or broken on customer pla

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kevin Newman
Yeah, I didn't realize NME had been ported to all these other HaXe targets (I may have simply misunderstood NME, I thought it was just a C++ target). That's just awesome. :-) Kevin N. On 11/30/11 6:16 AM, tom rhodes wrote: just catching up on the thread a bit , Kevin wrote... "but it doesn

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Matt Perkins
I'm not too worried about it dying right now. It's interesting to learn something new and you get the benefits of being able to produce code for other languages without learning too much about them right away. I'm treating it as a mental exercise that let's me produce Flash apps while getting out

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Andrew Sinning
Jumping into this discussion. Is anybody concerned that HaXe will die or languish, that features will be unsupported or broken on customer platforms? I don't see any major players on the list of HaXe projects (http://haxe.org/com/projects). GWT on the other hand. You get the full faith and cred

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
; > > > ___ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: > flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:35

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Matt Perkins
___ > > > -Original Message- > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com > [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kurt > Dommermuth > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:35 AM > To: Flash Coders List > Subject: Re: [Flashcod

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kurt Dommermuth
Tom, You're right about the haXe mailing list being active. It's encouraging. Kurt On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:33 AM, tom rhodes wrote: > the haxe forum isn't very active but the mailing list is, and it is a great > place to get help to get started. > > this is the new home of the list > > http

RE: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:35 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe? Thanks again Tom. The example is impressive. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:21 AM, tom rhodes

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kurt Dommermuth
Thanks again Tom. The example is impressive. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:21 AM, tom rhodes wrote: > Hi, > > ok, initially the haxe flash api to html5 was done with a lib called jeash. > which has been around for a while now. the nme project has very recently > incorporated jeash as it's route to h

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
Hi, ok, initially the haxe flash api to html5 was done with a lib called jeash. which has been around for a while now. the nme project has very recently incorporated jeash as it's route to html5. here is a nice example of using one codebase to hit swf and html5... http://www.joshuagranick.com/bl

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kurt Dommermuth
Hi Tom, Thank you. I'm going to look into Haxe more. Psychologically I have a stumbling block with NME. On their how it works page (http://www.haxenme.org/about-nme/how-it-works/) there are solutions that go in the opposite direction of what I'm personally interested in. They very nicely show

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
the haxe forum isn't very active but the mailing list is, and it is a great place to get help to get started. this is the new home of the list https://groups.google.com/group/haxelang/topics?pli=1 you have to dig around a bit to get going as documentation is limited at the moment but the list is

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread Kurt Dommermuth
Hi Jason, You're very first statement is exactly what interests me too. You wrote "Thinking of starting to learn haXe to produce OOP apps and export as Javascript for HTML 5 apps." What are your thoughts so far? I just looked at Haxe too but I'm concerned because there doesn't seem to be a lot

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
just catching up on the thread a bit , Kevin wrote... "but it doesn't do any emulation of Flash's APIs (I'm pretty sure)" check it out... http://www.haxenme.org/api/ then have a look at all the stuff in the nme package, display, errors, events, external, filters, text etc. are all used as you w

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-30 Thread tom rhodes
Hey Jason, haxe has fantastic potential now with NME, so you can export to iOS, andriod, webos, html5/JS, windows, osX and linux. all from the one codebase. but even vanilla haxe is fantastic for javascript. jQuery is in there as standard, here's a short example of assigning an event to a button.

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-29 Thread John McCormack
This FDT Haxe video may be of interest... http://vimeo.com/31122674 John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

RE: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-29 Thread Merrill, Jason
om: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:16 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe? There's NME for haXe that fully replicates the Flash display list. I

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-29 Thread Matt Perkins
There's NME for haXe that fully replicates the Flash display list. I'm still looking into all of it but it seems pretty sweet. It'll allow you to target SWF, native c++, HTML5, iOS. Http://www.haxenme.org -- Matt Perkins - http://www.nudoru.com On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Kevin

Re: [Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-29 Thread Kevin Newman
As a language it can export the same code to AVM2 (and AVM1 I think) bytecode, and JavaScript (and C++ etc.) - but it doesn't do any emulation of Flash's APIs (I'm pretty sure). You have to code to whatever platform you are targetting. It's kind of like Joa's Project Hiddenwood in that way (bas

[Flashcoders] Switching to HaXe?

2011-11-29 Thread Merrill, Jason
Thinking of starting to learn haXe to produce OOP apps and export as Javascript for HTML 5 apps. Checked it out years ago, but decided against it since it was not part of the normal ecosystem and would have to be sharing code with non-haXe AS3 developers. But not thinking of the future, I am mor