RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Mountain
this list - hence we seem to have lost key people. Then we end up in a viscious circle... M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread hank williams
in a viscious circle... M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Andreas Rønning
I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit. The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're saying is you're complaining

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
] Flash coders content degrading I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit. The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Britton
Any way you look at it, we're building a searchable repository of both newb and advanced tips. Flash programmers aren't Nazis, marching together as some kind of unified front against all newbies. A community has elements from all skill levels, and if a newbie has a coding question for the

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Giles Taylor
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread hank williams
I dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I honestly havent done much

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:18 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I dont mean to offend

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Mountain
to find the answers. Forget I spoke. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I'm on both lists

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
, June 13, 2006 10:59 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie question? Id've thought if most people forget

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
we get with the gift exchanging? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: 13 June 2006 16:05 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading I will say, the newbie list is friendlier

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mark Winterhalder
On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think. Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Hello I am a Noob, I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is. But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
Before Flashcoders was around, people had to solve their Flash problems on their own. After Flashcoders was around, some people didn't know about it and had to solve their Flash problems on their own. Bottom line is - the solutions are out there and many people don't take the time to try and

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
The problem with a list named FlashNewbies is that help vampires, or newbies who don't want to actually do any work, tend to avoid newbie lists and go straight for the advanced ones because that's where they perceive the advanced people to be. Why ask a noob how to do something when you can ask

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Mc Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:21 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading Hello I am a Noob, I have a noobie question that cannot be answered

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread John Grden
I think this thread quite completely explains the subject line. Besides, when it comes down to it, a list is no different the latest/greatest hangout you'd find with your friends. For a while, it was great - not many people knew, and it was cool. THen everyone found out, it got saturated, and

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread phaedrus
*heh* I almost asked where is the flash newbie list. Subtly hilarious, eh? I'm not really sure where I fall - middling I think - but I figure it can't hurt to subscribe to that list as well - if I am more advanced than the bulk there, well, one often learns by teaching (or by having your

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mark Winterhalder
On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfect example of what we are talking about: While we're at it, a general piece of advice: I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one. When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some time to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it and it

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread ryanm
I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all work. If you spent half as much time reading the documentation as you did packaging the files and typing that email, you'd have figured it out

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
I am sure some people post every question they have with out doing research. I looked everywhere including the origional authors website. Common Creative licence I used this list as an absolute last resort. PS. a programmer at work helped me with the problem and we have it solved. But for

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Britton
I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive:

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread iestyn lloyd
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. Agreed. I enjoy helping amateurs on smaller problems (offlist), as

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Thanks Mike I will check that out. I do really appreciate all the time you guys give to this list. Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html. Mike

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread ryanm
Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up. Apparently, petulant children have taken over. Excellent summarization. The problem is, this tells me more about you than it does about the list. This is

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week. Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than simply downloading a linked zip. That second line is a mis-quote. I didn't say that, Mark did.

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
Why not hire a designer? Precisely my point. Hence, a designer should hire a programmer if they need some programming done. :) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive:

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread John Grden
Hey Matt, give Xray a try: www.osflash.org/xray Look at your flash application/site in anyway you want and learn a TON more about the player at the same time. I've heard from so many flash devs that they not only fixed their issues, but their knowledge of the player went up 10 fold while using

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Daniel Cascais
Some FlashCoders might be moving over to FlexCoders, where they can talk about ActionScript 3... On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in:

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
Been like that for quite some time. Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. Others seem to disagree, and

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Mike Mountain
Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the newbie list. I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the hang on a minute... moment and begat this email Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on non-Flash

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread ryanm
I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority It's cyclical, like everything else. In the absence of stimulating discussion of complex and interesting problems, some newbie questions and OT posts

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread 8ball Developer
People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I still don't have a good answer for it. On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many people

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Jim Robson
, all you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 8ball Developer Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:14 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Mike Britton
Not to mention the ability to search through messages (or digests) for keywords of interest. Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
- From: 8ball Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading People, stop the madness The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
] Flash coders content degrading Er, didn't they just turn this thread into what they commented they'd prefer not to see so much of in the FlashCoders list? ;-) Lee ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Aaron Buchanan
I use rules with entourage, and then filter by subject, you can delete all messages with a matching subject that way. Somethin like that might work for you. I'm sure u can do it in outlook as well. a On 6/12/06 7:37 AM, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if its me skilling up (which

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Nehal
I m enjoying this...Sometime this kind of thread helps as a break :) -Neh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Buchanan Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:12 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content