On Wednesday 05 May 2010 05:57:04 you wrote:
Mea culpa. Everytime Flash plugin crashes and Firefox says Ooops, do you
want me to send the info about this crash to Apple?
How do you know it's not FireFox crashing ?
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Tom Chiverton
Helping to greatly maximize virtual advanced interdependent
Very valid point! Other than giving Adobe a feature request, any changes you
introduce to the format would be unlikely to be read by the most popular swf
player.
However, if you wanted to introduce a chance to HTML5; how would you do that?
Does anyone, other than a few companies on the
i would like to chime in on this point.
What restrictions are placed upon the SWF format? None so far as I know.
You can take the spec and do whatever you want with it; including creating
alternate IDEs and alternate players.
You might be able to argue that it is not a standard in the same
Sorry, cannot miss this one :)
I think the tools we use to develop in Flash and Flex are way behind
similar toolsets for other languages
Please be specific, are you comparing Flash to Inkscape? Are you for real? I
mean, if it's not Inkscape, then it should be Blend (but we are then back
again to
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:57 AM, mitek17 wrote:
Mea culpa. Everytime Flash plugin crashes and Firefox says Ooops, do you
want me to send the info about this crash to Apple? I click on Yes, please.
The question was what is factual wrong in Jobs message. To which I
responded that the claim that
With way behind I am referring to the whole eco-system :
profiler (contains rant),
crappy automated testing tools (qtp?) and docs about the api's for people
trying to write their own (flex mokey)
More comprehensive documentation on extending Flex builder API - helping
people extend their tool
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
Very valid point! Other than giving Adobe a feature request, any changes
you introduce to the format would be unlikely to be read by the most popular
swf player.
However, if you wanted to introduce a chance to HTML5; how would you do
With way behind I am referring to the whole eco-system :
profiler (contains rant),
crappy automated testing tools (qtp?) and docs about the api's for people
trying to write their own (flex mokey)
More comprehensive documentation on extending Flex builder API - helping
people extend their
Flash is an API. People can write programs that don't work using it. Same
thing with HTML/JavaScript: I can write an application that doesn't work and
then someone can point Safari at my application. Does that mean Jobs should
ban HTML/JavaScript?
- Mitch Gart
--- In
This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use
( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed
upon use of the specification that do not make it open?
Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary.
--- In
And this is the point the moderators should step in to shut this thread
down.
We've brought ourselves to the no it isn't, yes it is arguing point
guys.
Can we please let this thread die with a little dignity, and we can all
jump in on the next one, unless someone wants to make a blog post
It's PUBLISHED. That's not the same as OPEN.
Open formats, like SVG, are generally developed by a standards organisation,
with input from any interested parties. Open formats, by definition, can be
used without restriction by anyone.
Proprietary formats, like Flash, are defined and controlled
What restrictions are placed upon the SWF format? None so far as I know. You
can take the spec and do whatever you want with it; including creating
alternate IDEs and alternate players.
You might be able to argue that it is not a standard in the same way that HTML
or SVG is. But, that
OK, I will say no more. We are really not reaching a decision here and not
listening to each other, so, there's no point to continue.
I think open and closed is too broad... and their definitions are moot.
If anything Flash is a daywalker. A half breed. Its a creature of the night
but it can exist during the day. It doesn't have to feed on human blood but
you wouldn't want to be around him when he's hungry. especially on the
I think open and closed is too broad... and their definitions are moot.
If anything Flash is a daywalker. A half breed. Its a creature of the night
but it can exist during the day. It doesn't have to feed on human blood but
you wouldn't want to be around him when he's hungry. especially on
I am failing to see what the issue is on having a proprietary player is
anyways. If the company is as devoted to making it better (as adobe
seems to be with the whole flash platform experience) what is the issue?
Most companies I know that product web/software products are closed and
I just dont care.
I have never went out my way to support Mac, ever. I think i made a mac
screensaver once. Sorry guys im just not interested in it. Lets buy an apple
which doesnt run anything versus a pc which does everything you throw at it.
No thanks.
If iplatform wont support flash, then
The best part is that HTML5 video is going to be based on H.264 - which is
not only a proprietary codec, BUT COSTS MONEY! At least flash is free.
Here's an excerpt of what happened with gif:
The web in 1999 was a lot smaller than it is today, so a lot of people don’t
remember what happened back
I love how people with little or no actual experience of the Mac platform
apparently know what it can and can't do.
I'm writing this on a an iMac that's running Mac OSX and Windows XP at the same
time. Can your PC do that? That was a rhetorical question, by the way.
If you don't see any
I agree that's a risk and would prefer to see some clear direction as to how
patents covering h.264 will be enforced in the future.
Flash decodes h.264 video so it will still get swept up in the same issues as
HTML5 will, should those issues arise, so I don't see how Flash is the answer
to
Hi Jeff,
Seriously, you can not see the difference between published and open?
No kidding?
If I want to introduce some changes in SWF format, what should I do to achieve
this?.
PS Please don't use Why do you need this, anyway(c) as this is a copyrighted
answer in Apple community.
--- In
Mea culpa. Everytime Flash plugin crashes and Firefox says Ooops, do you want
me to send the info about this crash to Apple? I click on Yes, please.
Do you want me to stop doing this, to improve the Flash image?
PS I have to admit, I am doing it several times a day, so maybe that's why Jobs
OK, if you really-really don't understand the problem, let me rephrase it: one
company (A) developing proprietary tools devices refuses to use another's
company(B) proprietary product on their proprietary devices. What's the
problem? No problem!
PS The real problem is that company B believes
So much vitriol against poor Mr. Jobs. You'd swear he piddled in you guys' corn
flakes.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Laurence lmacne...@... wrote:
The whole reason I chose to learn Flex is that it (at the time) ran on every
available platform. It was THE cross-platform language to
HTC HD2 sold out in a matter of days since it hit the US, now verizon
and ATT are advertising it. Has flash, and since jobs rant i am very
interested, especaiily given Iphones poor connectivity into the
business office world. I think my company would applaud if they cut
out flash because
Where does it say that Apple is dropping support for plugins like Flash on Mac
OSX?
I can't see that happening. I can't even imagine how they'd do it if they
wanted to.
Guy
On 03/05/2010, at 10:00 AM, Laurence wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote:
Everybody is talking about learning another language. That's the
easy part. It's porting an entire application that has several 100,000
lines of code. That's that hard part. Someone mentioned losing flash
support on all Macs. Is that true? I hope not. I have over a million
users using my
First time I explicitly that Apple would prevent Flash from being installed on
Macs.
The specific rumor I heard was that the next version of OSX would move to an
App store model similar to their devices. It sounds so lubricious I can't
imagine it being true.
--- In
...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeffry Houser
Sent: 03 May 2010 16:04
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
First time I explicitly that Apple would prevent Flash from being
installed on Macs.
The specific rumor I heard was that the next version
If we are swapping rumours though...
I liked the one that Apple had demanded a truly ridiculous sum of money
from Adobe yearly to allow Flash on the iPhone, and when Adobe refused
to pay up, SJ made it his mission to prevent it from happening!
I'd call it a tithe, but that brings far too
There are 2 distinct and separate anti-Adobe issues from Apple. One is the
anti-flash stance, which we have been focusing on in this thread - but a
separate and important second issue is Apple disallowing *NATIVE* IPHONE
BINARIES that are created using CS5:
I think you meant ludicrous...
lubricious |loōˈbri sh əs| (also lubricous |ˈloōbrikəs|)
adjective
1 offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire.
2 smooth and slippery with oil or a similar substance.
:-)
On 04/05/2010, at 1:04 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
First time I explicitly
I'm pretty new to Flash so I don't know all the technical details under the
covers (e.g. Flash is buggy on Macs, who supported what video format first,
etc) but one thing that strikes me as odd in the manifesto published by Apple
is the attack of Flash for not being open. That strikes me as
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Amy amyblankens...@... wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, mitek17 mitek17@ wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Seth Caldwell wiz@ wrote:
Steve is employing several tactics used by politicians. The iphone is not
open.
Jeez...it's *three* devices, and you *do* have a choice...
You're annoyed because you're being shut out of a market you want to be in, but
your arguments as to why you should be allowed into that market are specious.
If you buy an iPod/Pad/Phone, you buy it as is, knowing what it can and can't
you must be kidding. Gnash is not ready for use in commercial projects.
Looking at the latest readme.txt:
-Key events are not handled
- Resizing browser window when plugin is running , will crash browser.
Since 2005 they have not figured it out?
This puppy must be put to sleep.
PS And yes,
mitek17
Yeah, I know that... well, I didn't say it's usable for commercial purposes.
That's true it isn't. What I said is that, if it would matter more to Adobe
these project exist and continue to develop, it would be better, for the
image at least. Well, you know, MS doesn't really support
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote:
Jeez...it's *three* devices, and you *do* have a choice...
It's gonna be a hell of a lot more than just 3 portable devices, when Jobs
removes Flash from OSX. That's every Mac in the world. There are a LOT of
Macs out there...
On 01/05/2010, at 1:54 PM, Amy wrote:
It may be low, but there's a certain amount of logic to it, considering when
Steve Jobs was out, he was given a liver transplant. In ancient times, the
liver was considered to be the seat of anger. MPO is that there's been a lot
of angry behavior coming
[mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mitek17
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:33 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Seth Caldwell wiz@ wrote:
Steve is employing several tactics used
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, PFD Studio p...@... wrote:
The talk about openness is completely disingenuous. Flash/Flex/ActionScript
is vastly more open than any of the relevant Apple technologies.
Here is just a short list of open source projects:
-Apache
-FreeBSD
-Linux
@ mitek17
Erm... GNash? Why the heck do you need the player sources? You have the SWF
specs - player is the program that plays SWF files, you can make your own...
In fact, GNash does it already and is GNU program, the problem is flash.*
(AS3) package which is a proprietary extension to
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote:
On 01/05/2010, at 1:54 PM, Amy wrote:
It may be low, but there's a certain amount of logic to it, considering
when Steve Jobs was out, he was given a liver transplant. In ancient times,
the liver was considered to be the
Global exception handling is in FP 10.1 and AIR 2.0. There should be better
printing APIs in AIR 2.0 as well. These new features are not leveraged in the
Flex framework because they were not committed until too late in our schedule
for Flex 4.0, but they were committed before Jobs starting
https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-444
Created: 06/21/07 03:43 PM
Is it already available? 10.1 is still pre-release beta with no API available
for GEH. Almost 3 years...And counting.
Printing improvements in Flex 4? Well, we have to trasnform 300 000 lines of
code into Flex 4 first to
-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mitek17
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:33 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Seth Caldwell w
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, mitek17 mite...@... wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Seth Caldwell wiz@ wrote:
Steve is employing several tactics used by politicians. The iphone is not
open.
iPhone is a device, not a technology. Technology should be open, device
The talk about openness is completely disingenuous. Flash/Flex/ActionScript is
vastly more open than any of the relevant Apple technologies.
Moreover, what Jobs really wants is for Quicktime to be the video technology of
choice.
I believe Apple will eventually have to cave to market pressure
There are no printing improvements in Flex 4. AIR 2.0 supposedly has some new
APIs you can use instead of our print code and it might have landed in 10.1 but
I haven’t verified.
GEH is doc’d here:
I get it, Steve, no Flash on iWhatever...now just shut up.. My job and
life will move right along. Wasn't he supposed to be dead by now or
something...or did he replace his cancer with a iBodyPart...what a douche.
On 4/30/2010 11:50 AM, PFD Studio wrote:
The talk about openness is
Oh dude, come on, that's low.
Either agree or disagree with what he says (I agree with most of it - HTML5 et
al can replace the need for a lot of what Flash often does, and it's support is
growing and standards are good for all of us) but don't make it personal.
Guy
On 01/05/2010, at 5:17
On 01/05/2010, at 1:50 AM, PFD Studio wrote:
The talk about openness is completely disingenuous. Flash/Flex/ActionScript
is vastly more open than any of the relevant Apple technologies.
How do you figure that HTML5 is less open than Flash?
Moreover, what Jobs really wants is for
mitek17
This is just a thought regarding matrix transformation applied to visual
components in flex framework. Firstly, you cannot make it bindable, but not
so fast... I find i perfect! Trying to animate flex components and make it
smooth is a pain, especially because of binding and all the extra
On 01/05/2010, at 11:37 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote:
Guy Morton.
I've said that before, he is not wrong, he's just serving the facts in a way
that will most likely give you a wrong impression.
He never says that h.264 codec is proprietary, but after reading what he says
you may think it
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote:
Oh dude, come on, that's low.
Either agree or disagree with what he says (I agree with most of it - HTML5
et al can replace the need for a lot of what Flash often does, and it's
support is growing and standards are good for
: Amy amyblankens...@bellsouth.net
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 30 April, 2010 20:54:20
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
--- In flexcod...@yahoogro ups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote:
Oh dude, come on, that's low.
Either agree or disagree with what he
I thought that this response showed the kind of class that we've come to
expect from Adobe.
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2010/04/moving_forward.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2010/04/moving_forward.html
-TH
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Oleg Sivokon olegsivo...@... wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Seth Caldwell w...@... wrote:
Steve is employing several tactics used by politicians. The iphone is not
open.
iPhone is a device, not a technology. Technology should be open, device
software could be proprietary. Steve stresses it particularly, please
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