Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: We should try to get these and the alpha sort patch into Steve as soon as possible. ^ ^^ This will be hard to swallow ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver C. schrieb: | | Could you change the file format from *.tgz to *.tar.gz? | | I ask because *.tgz is used by Slackware as a package format (it's a tar.gz | file with a install script in it) and this is leading to confusion | when you have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Oliver C.
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37, Christian Mayer wrote: Oliver C. schrieb: | Could you change the file format from *.tgz to *.tar.gz? | | I ask because *.tgz is used by Slackware as a package format (it's a tar.gz | file with a install script in it) and this is leading to confusion |

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver C. schrieb: | On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37, Christian Mayer wrote: | |Oliver C. schrieb: || Could you change the file format from *.tgz to *.tar.gz? || || I ask because *.tgz is used by Slackware as a package format (it's a | |tar.gz | ||

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 11:17, Oliver C. wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37, Christian Mayer wrote: Oliver C. schrieb: | Could you change the file format from *.tgz to *.tar.gz? | | I ask because *.tgz is used by Slackware as a package format (it's a tar.gz | file with a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Christian Mayer wrote: Linux can easily unzip those and Windows users have the unzipper already comming with their OS (when it is WinXP...) But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On the other hand PowerArchiver for Windows easily handles .tar.gz or .tgz

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Christian Mayer wrote: Linux can easily unzip those and Windows users have the unzipper already comming with their OS (when it is WinXP...) But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On the other hand PowerArchiver for Windows easily handles

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Christian Mayer wrote: Linux can easily unzip those and Windows users have the unzipper already comming with their OS (when it is WinXP...) But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Christian Mayer wrote: BTW: of all Windows versions you only want to use 2000 or XP (= 2000.1). The rest is either unstable (95, 98, ME) or doesn't run modern software (NT) This doesn't alter the fact that there are still a lot of perfectly capable systems out there running 98SE - they shouldn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On the other hand PowerArchiver for Windows easily handles .tar.gz or .tgz files, As does winzip AFAICR. but WinZip is commercial, isn't it !? Martin. -- Unix _IS_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On the other hand PowerArchiver for Windows easily handles .tar.gz or .tgz files, As does winzip AFAICR. but WinZip is commercial, isn't it !? Yes, but it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: But only then - and who wants WinXP without being forced to !? ;-) On the other hand PowerArchiver for Windows easily handles .tar.gz or .tgz files, As does winzip AFAICR.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Christian Mayer wrote: That's why I prefer .zip. Then at least the WinXP users have a native, free tool that works out of the box. tar and gzip come free out of the box on Unix. We have to get (un)zip separately to get it working. It's either way and I don't feel like giving windows users the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Monday, 3 January 2005 23:43, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Here's a preview of something I'd like to have working in time for the 0.9.8 release. As we go forward it would be nice to have thumbnail images for each aircraft. It would be really nice if the level of development was listed as well as a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 17:32, Erik Hofman wrote: Christian Mayer wrote: That's why I prefer .zip. Then at least the WinXP users have a native, free tool that works out of the box. tar and gzip come free out of the box on Unix. We have to get (un)zip separately to get it working. It's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Dave Martin wrote: How about a simple set of links on the same page to applications which can handle tar.gz on Windows. ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/Windows/Win32/apps/powarc61.exe It's freeware, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Weather rain.ac, 1.1,

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Weather In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv5714 Modified Files: rain.ac rain.xml Log Message: Model changes and add some select's. Great idea, especially because there's no 'cigar' around the cockpit anymore ;-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.8-pre2

2005-01-04 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: The second v0.9.8 prerelease of FlightGear (v0.9.8-pre2) is now available for download and testing (source only.) Looks fine to me - at least as far as I can tell after some traffic pattern in the PC-7 Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective

[Flightgear-devel] 3d panels - newbie

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Hornby
Is there a guide to building 3d panels to go with existing FG a/c? I have studied the file structures of both the Hawker Hunter (pls bring back the Skyhawk in 0.9.8!) and the C172 and they seem quite different. Is there more than one way of doing this? And do I need any additional sw besides a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d panels - newbie

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 19:09, Richard Hornby wrote: Is there a guide to building 3d panels to go with existing FG a/c? I have studied the file structures of both the Hawker Hunter (pls bring back the Skyhawk in 0.9.8!) and the C172 and they seem quite different. Is there more than one way

[Flightgear-devel] fgrun

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Hornby
Hi Guys You may want to consider this posting to the AVSIM forum for the new release or at least the Windoze version - IMHO the wrong placing of fgrun has caused a stream of red herrings includingone long one onOpenGL. .. In reply to "Can't get FG to run on W2K" ... This is an issue

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d panels - newbie

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Hornby
So I guess I would have to use the editor appropriate to the original aircraft. If a 3ds model, is there a basic editor which could take a 3ds file, import, do the stuff, and re-export? I do NOT have the time to learn, or the cash to splash, on 3ds itself! Cheers, R - Original Message

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d panels - newbie

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Martin
It is best to work with the native format of the model. Updating a model using a different modeller may make it uneditable for the other current contributors. However, for all I know, the Hunter / Seahawk may have been made in software other than 3DS and then exported. - In which case it would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d panels - newbie

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Hornby
OK - thanks. And by the way, your panel looks good! I see that AC3D will import and export 3ds, and there is a 14 day free trial, so I guess I will do that for now. Thanks again, R :-) - Original Message - From: Dave Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Dave Martin wrote: How about a simple set of links on the same page to applications which can handle tar.gz on Windows. ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/Windows/Win32/apps/powarc61.exe $ untarka untarka v0.34: super untar + untar.Z + untar.gz contains code (C) by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread David Megginson
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:57:17 -0600, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is the keeper of this patch. Can someone send it to me in as maintainer friendly a form as possible. If this can default to off, but be enabled with some API call then I think we have a shot at getting it into

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:57:17 -0600, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is the keeper of this patch. Can someone send it to me in as maintainer friendly a form as possible. If this can default to off, but be enabled with some API call then I think we have a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Ioan Suciu
This is realy a big problem about FG project ;) If a distro choosed to name the packages *.tgz we have to avoid that extension?? i'm a slak user and i hadn't met any problem with *.tgz files The slack packages are gzipped tarballs whose filenames end with .tgz rather than .tar.gz. They

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Right, but in PM, Steve seems to have forgotten his original objections so I think we have a window of opportunity here if we can submit a reasonable looking patch. Well, here is the original: http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/Plib_ssgDList2-20020718.diff I' not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Oliver C. said: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37, Christian Mayer wrote: Oliver C. schrieb: | Could you change the file format from *.tgz to *.tar.gz? | | I ask because *.tgz is used by Slackware as a package format (it's a tar.gz | file with a install script in it) and this is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman said: Christian Mayer wrote: That's why I prefer .zip. Then at least the WinXP users have a native, free tool that works out of the box. tar and gzip come free out of the box on Unix. We have to get (un)zip separately to get it working. It's either way and I don't feel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Ioan Suciu wrote: This is realy a big problem about FG project ;) If a distro choosed to name the packages *.tgz we have to avoid that extension?? i'm a slak user and i hadn't met any problem with *.tgz files The slack packages are gzipped tarballs whose filenames end with .tgz rather than

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D instrument kit.

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Dave Martin said: Hopefully, by the time I've finished, everyone will own 6800 class video cards to cope with all the polys (any maybe I'll own one too so I can finish the models) ;-) Those look fantastic! Judging from the pictures, I don't think there will be much trouble. Sometimes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread James Turner
On 4 Jan 2005, at 23:49, Jim Wilson wrote: tar and gzip come free out of the box on Unix. We have to get (un)zip separately to get it working. It's either way and I don't feel like giving windows users the benefit of the doubt (the number of windows _developers_ is frighteningly low compared to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Diamond TwinStar Panel

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:44:35 +, Dave Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.diamond-air.at/Pressebilder/DA42TwinStar/Panel/tn/DA42panel_high .jpg.html The visual model is easy enough but the panel is a different matter. We can probably manage the left

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon Stockill said: Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't gunzip -S .zip test.zip Yes it does ;-) Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jon Stockill
Jim Wilson wrote: Jon Stockill said: Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't gunzip -S .zip test.zip Yes it does ;-) That only handles a single file in the archive - so it'd work with a .tar.zip

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Jim Wilson said: Jon Stockill said: Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't gunzip -S .zip test.zip Yes it does ;-) Hmmm...think I had one of these:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:20:41 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Erik Hofman wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Right, but in PM, Steve seems to have forgotten his original objections so I think we have a window of opportunity here if we can submit a reasonable looking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:47, Jim Wilson wrote: Jon Stockill said: Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't gunzip -S .zip test.zip Yes it does ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads

2005-01-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Roy Vegard Ovesen said: On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:47, Jim Wilson wrote: Jon Stockill said: Jim Wilson wrote: gzip extracts pkzip files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gunzip test.zip gunzip: test.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored No it doesn't gunzip -S .zip test.zip Yes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib release

2005-01-04 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:20:41 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Erik Hofman wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Right, but in PM, Steve seems to have forgotten his original objections so I think we have a window of opportunity here if we can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.8-pre2

2005-01-04 Thread Dale E. Edmons
On Monday 03 January 2005 21:43, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The second v0.9.8 prerelease of FlightGear (v0.9.8-pre2) is now available for download and testing (source only.) http://www.flightgear.org I ask as many people as possible to download the tarballs, build and test. The more problems