Re: [Flightgear-devel] Seneca II tutorials - Torsten

2007-12-02 Thread Torsten Dreyer
- Get the latest update from CVS - Via the Menu call Help-Start Tutorial Or - Read this http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Piper_PA34-200T_Seneca_II http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Seneca_II_Checklist

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-12-02 Thread Durk Talsma
On Thursday 29 November 2007 16:34, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Am Donnerstag, 29. November 2007 14:44 schrieb Hans Fugal: Is there not a way to sanity check the cloud cache size in the plib version before going ahead and segfaulting? Like notice that it's 0 and set it to the lowest valid value.

[Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
When prssing the 5 key on the numeric keypad to reset the controls to zero, the control surfaces instantly move to their origin. Similar effects can also happen when an autopilot controller is activated, and when a noisy joystick is interfering with an autopilot controller. I think moving a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Sunday 02 December 2007, John Denker wrote: That's not a good solution. That's highly unrealistic. In real life, in a small airplane, if I decide to stomp on the rudder pedal, the rudder is going to move real fast. The realistic time scale is not long compared to 1/30th of a second i.e.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Sunday 02 December 2007, David Megginson wrote: That's true for control surface movement in general, but I had (mis)understood that Roy was proposing this specifically for the '5' key -- that's a simulator-specific key that has no real-life equivalent, so binding it to a new command that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Curtis Olson wrote: This touches on an earlier design flaw in FlightGear. We have control inputs feed directly into surface positions, and that is it. There is some horsing around you can do with Nasal, but it's not ideal. What we really should have [I think] is pilot

[Flightgear-devel] Yasim and taileron; JSBsim and thrust-reverser

2007-12-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, maybe this fit more to the flightmodel-list, but I'm not sure about if this list is really be read;-) Trying to do a fdm with yasim for a Panavia Tornado GR4 IDS I noticed that it seems to me not possible to model a taileron (elevator and aileron in one control surface at the tail)- I always

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread David Megginson
On 02/12/2007, Roy Vegard Ovesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned the 5 key only as an example. I am not proposing to put a filter on that command. In general, then, as others have mentioned, this belongs in the flight models rather than the input layer. The input layer *requests* a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Sunday 02 December 2007, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: I think moving a control surface, like for example the rudder, from full left deflection to rull right deflection in an instant is unrealistic. To make this more realistic I think we should put in a low pass filter somewhere in the chain

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Robert Black
On Saturday 01 December 2007 02:38:13 pm alexis bory wrote: Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Alexis Identifying the versions as stable testing and unstable might not be a bad idea. It tells people that active development is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Robert Black schrieb: On Saturday 01 December 2007 02:38:13 pm alexis bory wrote: Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Alexis Identifying the versions as stable testing and unstable

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread John Denker
On 12/02/2007 10:18 AM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: My question then is reduced to: why doesn't more FDM modellers use these features of JSBSim and YASim to create cotrol surfaces that seem to have mass Probably because in most cases, it would a very unrealistic way to deal with the reported

Re: [Flightgear-devel] local key bindings ... Meta Super

2007-12-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
Here's my Crazy Idea Of The Day: The question was asked a few times, whether there are keys reserved for local customization purposes. There are none. But we have some completely unused shift levels. The X window system supports 8 modifiers (usually called shift, ctrl, alt, capslock, meta, super,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] local key bindings ... Meta Super

2007-12-02 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- Melchior FRANZ wrote: Here's my Crazy Idea Of The Day: snip What we could do, though, is to invent a new modifier level for local use. One that works everywhere. By just redefining a key that is bigger than the others and easy to hit, just like the other modifiers ... umm ... except

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:24:06 +0100 (CET), Heiko wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- alexis bory [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft OK, but let's call 0.9.11pre2 == Clement Ader !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] local key bindings ... Meta Super

2007-12-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 02 December 2007: Tadaaa: The TAB modifier! :-) D'oh! I had tried it with +500, and just to make it prettier I changed it to 1000 before posting. And that crashes, because input.cxx sets MAX_KEYS = 1024. So we are back at 500, which is good enough. New version

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread LeeE
On Sunday 02 December 2007 15:18, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 02 December 2007, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: I think moving a control surface, like for example the rudder, from full left deflection to rull right deflection in an instant is unrealistic. To make this more realistic I think

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and taileron; JSBsim and thrust-reverser

2007-12-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
Thanks, Markus Zojier hepled me too. We have to much aircrafts, I was completely lost- so I couldn't see, that tere are some with tailerons! O.k. So I should solve my problem! Regards HHS --- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Sunday 02 December 2007 14:48, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and taileron; JSBsim and thrust-reverser

2007-12-02 Thread LeeE
On Sunday 02 December 2007 14:48, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, maybe this fit more to the flightmodel-list, but I'm not sure about if this list is really be read;-) Trying to do a fdm with yasim for a Panavia Tornado GR4 IDS I noticed that it seems to me not possible to model a taileron

[Flightgear-devel] Removing warp delta and speed up key assignments

2007-12-02 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi All, Now that we have an updated time-of-day dialog that allows you to control the warp delta and simulation rate from the GUI, I think we should remove the key assignments that were previously used for these functions, namely t/T and a/A. Two reasons: 1) They currently cause confusion for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] local key bindings ... Meta Super

2007-12-02 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Melchior FRANZ wrote: Here's my Crazy Idea Of The Day: The question was asked a few times, whether there are keys reserved for local customization purposes. There are none. But we have some completely unused shift levels. The X window

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Turns out that JSBSim and YASim already has what I'm looking for. My question then is reduced to: why doesn't more FDM modellers use these features of JSBSim and YASim to create cotrol surfaces that seem to have mass? Roy Vegard Ovesen Roy: Possibly, it is because many of the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and taileron; JSBsim and thrust-reverser

2007-12-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
FlightGear CVS from 11/24/2007 win32-built plib --- Jon S. Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On JSBsim I noticed that the thrust reverser are not working ( as an example Fokker 70/100), but I remember that it was working with 0.9.9 and 0.9.10 - something changed or I'm too stupid?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Vivian Meazza
Maik Sent: 02 December 2007 13:49 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping Hi Roy, Roy Vegard Ovesen schrieb am 02.12.2007 14:13: When prssing the 5 key on the numeric keypad to reset the controls to zero, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and taileron; JSBsim and thrust-reverser

2007-12-02 Thread Jon S. Berndt
On JSBsim I noticed that the thrust reverser are not working ( as an example Fokker 70/100), but I remember that it was working with 0.9.9 and 0.9.10 - something changed or I'm too stupid? thanks Regards HHS I thought we fixed that. Maybe you have an old configuration or software? Jon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread SydSandy
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:13:49 +0100 Roy Vegard Ovesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When prssing the 5 key on the numeric keypad to reset the controls to zero, the control surfaces instantly move to their origin. Similar effects can also happen when an autopilot controller is activated, and when a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread John Denker
On 12/02/2007 01:14 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: In a C-172, for instance, ...there is a direct connection between the stick and rudder. Yup. And that's not limited to little Cessnas, either. Additional examples to illustrate the same point include: DC-9 pilots say that DC stands for Direct

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: Control surface position damping

2007-12-02 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Sunday 02 December 2007, John Denker wrote: The problem that I am addressing is the fact that an object can not move from one position to another in an instant. Why? Simply because it's impossible, but if it can move faster than our simulator rate, then it does not matter. Or was this a

[Flightgear-devel] Positioning data from the multiplayer server

2007-12-02 Thread frank hadder
I'm wanting to access the multiplayer positioning data in a third party software. Currently, I've modified the FlightGear code to forward position messages received from the multiplayer server to my external application. It appears I'm receiving these messages fine because I can read information

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Modifying/Contributing with a wheeled vehicle simulator

2007-12-02 Thread STenyaK (Bruno Gonzalez)
Ok, thanks. I've thinked a bit more about this whole idea and, since i was planning to code Motorsport as a library instead of as a standalon executable, maybe Motorsport can be used from FlightGear, instead of being coded inside it. It looks like FG already uses several different physics

[Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] Seneca II - couple of user comments]

2007-12-02 Thread dave perry
I am forwarding an exchange from today's users list to the developers list because it raises a significant difference between jsbsim and yasim. These fdms treat turbulence very differently and jsbsim has a very exaggerated adverse-aileron yaw that makes this difference fatal for autopilot ILS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] Seneca II - couple of user comments]

2007-12-02 Thread Jon S. Berndt
I can't answer this at length at the moment, but a couple of months ago I turned off JSBSim turbulence completely because I had some questions about it myself. If you get the FGAtmosphere.cpp file from JSBSim CVS, that should include the newly turned off turbulence. I hope to revisit that in the