Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:00:47 +0200, Geoff wrote in message 1339149647.1793.1.camel@DELL02: Hi, FWIIW I would opt for version 2.8 Concerning Rembrandt, it does not work on either of my 2 ATI cards - Radeon HD 2600 XT, running Ubuntu ..the latest (12.04)? 64-bit, ..dmesg |grep -i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:59:02 -0600, syd wrote in message cabs5ffn+fn_tt2rbcwxp-pcu5ucd-7fmkavdqpgadbmporb...@mail.gmail.com: Rembrandt has been around for quite a few months now, and the changes required to make an aircraft Rembrandt-compatible are pretty small, even if the changes to add

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-11 Thread Frederic Bouvier
The summer release will become v2.8.0. Rembrandt is included but disabled by default and announced as an experimental but cool new feature. Rembrandt is not the default renderer and to follow the consensus, I won't add a Rembrandt option to fgrun. The braves willing to experiment will have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-11 Thread Michael
: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012) To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 12:00 PM Hi, FWIIW I would opt for version 2.8 Concerning Rembrandt, it does not work on either of my 2 ATI cards - Radeon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-11 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: The summer release will become v2.8.0. Rembrandt is included but disabled by default and announced as an experimental but cool new feature. Rembrandt is not the default renderer and to follow the consensus, I won't add a Rembrandt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-11 Thread Frederic Bouvier
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012) Doom SHADOWS

2012-06-11 Thread Michael
So why not use that technique for shadows? Anyway, I await 2.9 for the new 850 format... --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr wrote: From: Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012) To: FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-09 Thread syd adams
Sounds good , I hope someday to be able to see the results . My list of aircraft is: dhc2 dhc6 777 , though there are a number of other commiters now , but dont think this will affect anything a6m2 dc6-b Sikorsky-76C R22 b1900d Citation-Bravo Citation-II Citation-X Aerostar-700 P47 I should be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Renk Thorsten
1) What's the version number of the new release? a) 2.8.0 b) 3.0.0 My impression is that it would be best to advertize Rembrandt as a new, exciting, but optional and stil experimental development. The reason is similar to what others have said - it seems to do really impressive things

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Personally, I'm not using it since it makes my system just a bit too slow to enjoy and I can't really see how to port lightfield development to Rembrandt (I guess we're not quite there yet as far as infrastructure is concerned, and I'd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi, FWIIW I would opt for version 2.8 Concerning Rembrandt, it does not work on either of my 2 ATI cards - Radeon HD 2600 XT, running Ubuntu 64-bit, and Windows Vista 32-bit, and a Radeon HD 7700 series, in Windows 7 64-bit. I think I have tried all the options mentioned here... On the 2600

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Thanks for all the replies, summing all up, I end up with the following: The summer release will become v2.8.0. Rembrandt is included but disabled by default and announced as an experimental but cool new feature. We keep the current selection of base package aircraft for 2.8.0. We keep last

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Alexis Bory
Le 08/06/2012 20:39, Torsten Dreyer a écrit : Thanks for all the replies, summing all up, I end up with the following: The summer release will become v2.8.0. Rembrandt is included but disabled by default and announced as an experimental but cool new feature. We keep the current selection

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-08 Thread Curtis Olson
All sounds good from here, thanks for pulling lead on this Torsten! On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alexis Bory alexis.b...@gmail.com wrote: Le 08/06/2012 20:39, Torsten Dreyer a écrit : Thanks for all the replies, summing all up, I end up with the following: The summer release will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Two questions have to be discussed and answered until the release branches get created on July, 17th: 1) What's the version number of the new release?   a) 2.8.0   b) 3.0.0 Given the introduction of Rembrandt, I'd suggest 3.0.0. It's a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Michael
Personally I'd leave 3.0 for the new apt 850 support. If that's not in for summer leave it at 2.8. --- On Thu, 6/7/12, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Björn Kesten
If the new autogen will be included, I'm also in favor for a 3.0.0 version numbering. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Michael wrote: Personally I'd leave 3.0 for the new apt 850 support. If that's not in for summer leave it at 2.8. I think we need a new world scenery generation to take place to take full advantage of apt 850 support. I don't know if that's on the cards for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Björn Kesten
Good to know. I'd dedicate some CPU time to world scenery generation, but I'm not sure how many months that would take... :S -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hello, Two questions have to be discussed and answered until the release branches get created on July, 17th: 1) What's the version number of the new release? a) 2.8.0 b) 3.0.0 Keep it consistent: 2.8.0 My reasons: -Rembrandt is still experimental and Fred's To-Do-list is still big. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread ys
As I mentioned some weeks ago I think we should leave path of creating world scenery in one task. I made a proposal how to create world scenery in chunks all day and nights with jenkins on different machines for different regions. The sources for this creation process can remain on one master,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi all! Calling something a major release is not just a matter of what's possible, but also what's done. There's a lot possible with Rembrandt, but 99% of our aircraft don't use it. And lots of aircraft look ugly with Rembrandt (non-translucent windows and fake shadows mostly). I just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread ys
Just to add a note what is already running on this jenkins right now, on different slaves: - hgtchop available SRTM-3 data (I make use of the no data filled files I provide), this a one day job on very old machine - terrafitting the data (another one day job on the same old machine) - taking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Alexis Bory
Le 07/06/2012 18:04, Gijs de Rooy a écrit : There's a lot possible with Rembrandt, but 99% of our aircraft don't use it. And lots of aircraft look ugly with Rembrandt (non-translucent windows and fake shadows mostly). I just checked the few aircraft that I remember being included in the base

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi all! Calling something a major release is not just a matter of what's possible, but also what's done. There's a lot possible with Rembrandt, but 99% of our aircraft don't use it. And lots of aircraft look ugly with Rembrandt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Martin Spott
Stuart Buchanan wrote: I'm not sure that is correct, but my memory is dim. My recollection was that even after we converted the main cvs branch to OSG, we kept a plib branch that was used for a subsequent release. There's a key difference: The OSG port, at least when it was added to CVS, was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Martin Spott wrote: Stuart Buchanan wrote: I'm not sure that is correct, but my memory is dim.  My recollection was that even after we converted the main cvs branch to OSG, we kept a plib branch that was used for a subsequent release. I was wrong - 1.9.0 was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Martin Spott
Stuart Buchanan wrote: So you would prefer not to mention it in the change log and release note? In order to save everybody from pointless discussion, I won't disclose my preference. Anyhow I'd vote for seriously taking into account, that, for a large fraction of FlightGear's user base,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread syd adams
Rembrandt has been around for quite a few months now, and the changes required to make an aircraft Rembrandt-compatible are pretty small, even if the changes to add proper lights are more involved. If I was being harsh I'd suggest that the aircraft maintainers should man up and do it.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-07 Thread Michael
Michael --- On Thu, 6/7/12, ys flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: From: ys flightg...@sablonier.ch Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012) To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 7:36 PM Just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-04 Thread Adrian Musceac
On Saturday, June 02, 2012 22:36:17 Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, in just a bit more than two weeks from now we reach June, 17th, marking the first milestone for the release of next FlightGear version: the feature freeze period. If you have some great and exciting new features for FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-03 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Two questions have to be discussed and answered until the release branches get created on July, 17th: 5) Do we consider Rembrandt complete/stable enough to be part of the release? (answering this question gives you the answer to question 1)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-03 Thread ys
Hi Torsten What are the plans now for apt.dat.gz and nav.dat.gz ? Will this prehistorical data files still be shipped with flightgear base package 2.8.0 ? As far as I understand flightgear is ready to read the newer formats and also the airport scenery tools are ready to use the newer formats.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The next FlightGear release (summer 2012)

2012-06-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:36:17 +0200, Torsten wrote in message 4fca6b31.3090...@t3r.de: Hi, in just a bit more than two weeks from now we reach June, 17th, marking the first milestone for the release of next FlightGear version: the feature freeze period. If you have some great and