On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:21 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're being optimistic about human rationality there. (I
disagree. QED.)
Hmm, well, I'm afraid that indeed I would have only been right if we were
all consistently rational. And definitely we are not.
I find
On further review the person in question admitted being human...one of
God's bots he says. I'm trying to convince him that God wants more than
bots.
I just realized the religious discussion was likely created by a bot.
Sorry. John
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Why math/logic loses, munchhausen trilemma:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma
On Apr 7, 2013 8:20 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
On further review the person in question admitted being human...one of
God's bots he says. I'm trying to convince him that God
I looked at Lt. Reminds me of John Orwant's Extensible Graphical Game
Generator. If you like s-expressions, there are other DSLs for games from
stanford and australia. Are you envisioning a DSL for NLP?
On Apr 7, 2013 9:27 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the Peano of NLP?
It would seem like NLP should be based on phonemes, not written language.
One cannot say what the name of God is, because written Hebrew lacks
vowels. We should go with phonemes, I believe.
On Apr 7, 2013 9:36 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
I looked at Lt. Reminds me of John
Most likely your personal skills at natural language are insufficient to
understand Revelation in the Bible, like mine were until I spent lots of
time learning. Now I can predict the current Pope Francis will eventually
help create the 7 nation Islamic Caliphate with 3 extra-national military
!
Karl
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.comwrote:
Most likely your personal skills at natural language are insufficient to
understand Revelation in the Bible, like mine were until I spent lots of
time learning. Now I can predict the current Pope Francis will
I once hear it said that Jesus didn't tell us to be perfect, instead he
told us to mature and bear good fruit. Have you?
On Apr 6, 2013 5:32 AM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
Most likely your personal skills at natural language are insufficient to
understand Revelation in the
Sorry. I meant heard. Obviously I am imperfect. I have read Foucault's
Pendulum, however. Maybe we should start quoting it instead of the Bible.
On Apr 6, 2013 9:36 AM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
I once hear it said that Jesus didn't tell us to be perfect, instead he
told us to
My favorite Umberto Eco quote from Foucault's Pendulum is vous etes fou
(sorry english keyboard).▲
On Apr 6, 2013 9:53 AM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry. I meant heard. Obviously I am imperfect. I have read Foucault's
Pendulum, however. Maybe we should start quoting it
When I was studying Revelation in the 1980s. We thought this same
scripture referred to the European Union. We also thought that Jesus had
to return by 1988, because that was one generation past when the Jews
returned to Israel in 1948. It seems that god has a way of overturning
predictions.
On 4/6/2013 10:59 AM, John Carlson wrote:
When I was studying Revelation in the 1980s. We thought this same
scripture referred to the European Union. We also thought that Jesus
had to return by 1988, because that was one generation past when the
Jews returned to Israel in 1948. It seems
The Lord will return like a thief in the night:
http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-2.htm
Is this predictable? Is there more than one return? Jews believe in one
Messiah. Christians believe in 2 Messiahs (Jesus and his return). Anyone
for 3 or 4 or more?
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, BGB
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 12:08:35PM -0500, John Carlson wrote:
The Lord will return like a thief in the night:
http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-2.htm
Is this predictable? Is there more than one return? Jews believe in one
Messiah. Christians believe in 2 Messiahs (Jesus and his return).
And by 2028, we will be living 120 years or more, which will extend the
end-event even more.
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/6/2013 10:59 AM, John Carlson wrote:
When I was studying Revelation in the 1980s. We thought this same
scripture referred to the
On 6 April 2013 18:09, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 12:08:35PM -0500, John Carlson wrote:
The Lord will return like a thief in the night:
http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-2.htm
Is this predictable? Is there more than one return? Jews believe in one
On 4/6/2013 12:13 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
On 6 April 2013 18:09, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org
mailto:eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 12:08:35PM -0500, John Carlson wrote:
The Lord will return like a thief in the night:
http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-2.htm
Excuse me, but when did this list turn into a forum for religious /bible
discussion? Can we get back to issues in computing, please?
Thank you,
Kim Rose
Viewpoints Research
Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to
improving powerful ideas education for the
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote:
expecting everyone to agree on much of anything is probably unrealistic...
Yet there is one thing we can all agree on...
that we cannot all agree on one thing.
--
Fernando Cacciola
SciSoft Consulting, Founder
On 05/04/2013, at 7:19 AM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
The main source of invention is not math wins as described on
http://www.vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm since the world would be speaking
math if it were really the source of inspiring more inventions that improve
the
Okay, SICP, EOPL and TAPL I've worked out (own/am working through
slowly). But ItoA? Google wasn't exactly helpful here.
On 4 April 2013 22:22, Gath-Gealaich gath.na.geala...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com
wrote:
Fortran was displaced in
On 2013-04-05 11:40AM, Piers Cawley wrote:
Okay, SICP, EOPL and TAPL I've worked out (own/am working through
slowly). But ItoA? Google wasn't exactly helpful here.
Probably _Introduction to Algorithms_ by Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest, and
Stein.
--Josh
Hi,
I don't think this acronym is in wide use, but probably Introduction To
Algorithms by Cormen was meant.
Cheers,
Jarosław Rzeszótko
2013/4/5 Piers Cawley pdcaw...@bofh.org.uk
Okay, SICP, EOPL and TAPL I've worked out (own/am working through
slowly). But ItoA? Google wasn't exactly
Actually that's your reasoning. Years ago when I was in college, educators
wrote that innovation for innovation's sake is worth nothing. Truly
worthwhile inventions judging by percent of Nobel Prize awards are by Jews,
hence in Hebrew. But until the world converts to their superior culture,
The fact that we're not communicating very effectively disproves your point. ;-)
Julian
On 06/04/2013, at 12:42 AM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
Actually that's your reasoning. Years ago when I was in college, educators
wrote that innovation for innovation's sake is worth
Apology accepted. ;-)
Julian
On 06/04/2013, at 12:42 AM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
Actually that's your reasoning. Years ago when I was in college, educators
wrote that innovation for innovation's sake is worth nothing. Truly
worthwhile inventions judging by percent of
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 06:42:53AM -0700, Kirk Fraser wrote:
[…] Truly worthwhile inventions judging by percent of Nobel Prize
awards are by Jews, hence in Hebrew. […]
Are your saying that most Nobel prize winning Jews were using Hebrew
to think the thoughts that lead them to the Nobel prize?
I was pointing out that innovation for its own sake is worthless then was
agreeing with the view that not all the world's inventions come from people
who think in English yet pointing out communicating in English is best for
world wide distribution. I don't really know how many Jews who won Nobel
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
I was pointing out that innovation for its own sake is worthless then was
agreeing with the view that not all the world's inventions come from people
who think in English yet pointing out communicating in English is
Gath,
So what language do you normally think in? You have stated you don't live
in America. Obviously you haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh long enough to
know what liberal is. Why comment on things you know so little about?
Tune in to Rush via iheart radio and listen for about 6 weeks and
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On 04/05/2013 04:19 PM, Kirk Fraser wrote:
snippage
Tune in to Rush via iheart radio and listen for about 6 weeks and you'll have
more clarity on what liberal actually
means in America.
Heh. This statement far more offensive than all of the
I am now convinced we are on some sort of mailing list version of candid
camera. Or maybe these messages are the product of some strange markovian
email generator programmed to create dissonance by combining fringe comp
sci theories with offensive social commentary normally reserved for talk
Ya think!? Did I really just waste five minutes...?
Let us all go home and try to regain some clarity. Interesting points all
but are we done?
Alan M.
On Apr 5, 2013, at 1:35 PM, shaun gilchrist shaunxc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am now convinced we are on some sort of mailing list version of
Charlie Derr wrote:
Nevertheless I'm finding some of this conversation truly fascinating (though
I'm having a little trouble figuring out
what is truth and what isn't).
I'm just waiting for Kirk to mention Atlantis or the Rosicrucians. It
feels like it could be any moment...
I didn't see lojban mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
On Apr 4, 2013 3:19 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
The main source of invention is not math wins as described on
http://www.vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm since the world would be speaking
math if it were
The first math language Fortran was soon displaced in business by more
readable code afforded by Cobol's longer variable names.
Fortran was displaced in business because early Fortran had no structures
and random record-oriented file access, and because of some silly
government requirements for
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't see lojban mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
Consider it equal to Esperanto in context of my argument.
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Thus a major improvement for world computing would be careful adherence to
a world wide natural language
That seems to be contrary to how the world works. We can't even agree
whether to read bytes from right to left or left to right (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness).
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Tristan Slominski
tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote:
Thus a major improvement for world computing would be careful adherence
to a world wide natural language
That seems to be contrary to how the world works. We can't even agree
whether to read bytes from
Esperanto was intended to be a human understandable language. Lojban is
intended to be a computer and human understandable language...huge
difference.
On Apr 4, 2013 3:39 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Actually zero difference in readability by me or anyone else who
understands English but not Lojban or any trivial language.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote:
Esperanto was intended to be a human understandable language. Lojban is
intended to be a computer
It appears you are successfully working with English as do most people
[**citation needed**] who communicate internationally. Not to say English
best but it is what most people know [**citation needed**] and using it in
programs would make them readable by more people [**no evidence for this
Natural languages include tenses. What computer systems have a wide
variety of tenses?
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Gath-Gealaich gath.na.geala...@gmail.comwrote:
The first math language Fortran was soon displaced in business by more
readable code afforded by Cobol's longer variable names.
Fortran was displaced in business because early Fortran had no structures
and random
Liberal dictionaries have definitions that are by default wrong. For
evidence of language decay, read definitions from the 1988
Webster's Collegiate vs. the current Webster's. Pure word and definition
is needed to understand truth. People who love to lie get along without
words meaning things.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.comwrote:
Liberal dictionaries have definitions that are by default wrong.
There's no such thing as liberal dictionaries.
For evidence of language decay, read definitions from the 1988
Webster's Collegiate vs. the current
Am 04.04.13 22:53, schrieb John Carlson:
Natural languages include tenses. What computer systems have a wide
variety of tenses?
John McCarthy analyzed this in his description of Elephant 2000 [1]
sentence Algolic programs refer to the past via variables, arrays and
other data structures.
The
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