Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (jfor integration)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - fyi) On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . I see some notes about the inclusion of jfor (RTF output) into the FOP project. I think that would be really cool, and speaks very well of the effort put in thus far. Anyone care to comment on

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (testing)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . I am involved with the approval process for bringing new technology into our company. We have several development groups who have seen the FOP engine and would like to include it their applications. . . . One of our primary

refocusing fop-dev and fop-user?

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I see a lot of posts going to fop-dev that really belong to the fop-user mailing list. Should we do something about it (I'd like to)? If yes how best to do it - polite please ask there messages, having the list moderated for a while, ? - Bertrand

Re: Properties documentation

2001-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:57, Peter B. West wrote: . . .let me know if there is some easy way to get full conformance with the Apache XML norm, or if there are severe problems viewing these pages with modern browsers. Hi Peter, FYI, with Konqueror (modern yes, 100% finished maybe not),

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 09:59, Matthias Fischer wrote: Right now, I have a pice of code I would contribute. It would be useful, if there were an alternative e-mail address to that of the list, to collect the submitted code segments. ok, right now we don't have an alternative address

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 17 December 2001 09:07, Matthias Fischer wrote: What are _your_ plans with regard to the material offered by W3C/Carmelo? As mentioned by Keiron (see http://xml.apache.org/fop/testing.html), the current FOP tests are based on automatically comparing the ouput of two FOP revisions.

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 14 December 2001 10:05, Matthias Fischer wrote: However, you won't escape big maintenance so easily: Right - maintaining such a test suite is not light work. The advantage over pure documentation, however, is that both users and developers directly benefit from having strong test

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 13 December 2001 15:35, Matthias Fischer wrote: . . . My whish to Santa Clause this year: A big fat list containing all major graphic formats and the FO/FOP-related aspects that concern them. . . . I'm skeptical: to me big fat list means big maintenance work and usually

Re: FOP performance on Win98/JRE 1.3.1

2001-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 12:24, Lukas Pietsch wrote: What's still slow is the preceding docbook-to-.fo conversion. One thing I've seen is document referring to a DTD using an http:// URL. This is ok, but usually the parser will go out to the Internet to fetch the DTD, which can slow

Re: FOP performance on Win98/JRE 1.3.1

2001-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 14:42, Cyril Rognon wrote: before making any modification to your docbook stylesheet, I suggest you simply use some XML parser feature to deactivate the DTD validation and DTD loading. Yes, of course to actually solve the problem (assuming DTD fetching *is* the

Re: whats FOP

2001-12-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 07 December 2001 12:55, Suhail Rashid wrote: What does FOP stand for ; Formatting Objects Processor - Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Maintanance release (was: FOP conformance)

2001-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 03 December 2001 12:19, Christian Geisert wrote: What about jfor ? I think it would be a good idea to add it with user-level integration as proposed by Betrand. Depends on schedule - I'm very busy for the next two weeks, it would be hard for me to find time to do the code moving

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 29 November 2001 12:44, Keiron Liddle wrote: So are things like static areas, markers, page numbers etc. possible with rtf or are these type of things simply not possible. Keiron, as far as I know, RTF does support the following (but jfor currently not for most of these things) -

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Arved, What are your recommendations for someone to come up to speed with RTF? I'd recommend to stay away from it unless you really have to ;-) Seriously, to someone accustomed to clear and well-defined specs, RTF is somewhat messy, what it is really is a documented internal format, not a

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Keiron, If there is not going to be a FOP release in the next few weeks, I agree that a minimal integration does not make sense. Currently the jfor conversion is driven directly from SAX events, so the first thing that comes to mind is driving it from the FO tree. You're right that,

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 23 November 2001 20:13, Art Welch wrote: . . . Would it be possible to have one RTFRenderer and then have an option use either the full FOP layout or bypass the FOP layout for quick RTF?. . . I don't know about using the full FOP layout - last time I tried (beginning of this year)

Re: [vote] Merging JFor with FOP (jfor speed/presentation)

2001-10-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 18 October 2001 23:06, Art Welch wrote: snip My concerns are that if jfor excels at speed at the expense of presentation. 1. Are jfor users going to be happy with jfor integrated with FOP which seems to favor presentation over speed? 2. Would FOP users be happy with

Re: [ANN] XSLfast: Authoring tool for XSL-FO

2001-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 12 October 2001 23:14, Stephan Albers wrote: after a long development period, we have finaly released the very first version of XSLfast for public review and test. Interesting, thanks for the info! How is XSLfast licensed? Open Source? Commercial? -- -- Bertrand Delacrétaz,

Re: Making a native win32 binary out of FOP

2001-10-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 10:19, Thomas Kæregaard wrote: I would like to distribute FOP with my application, but I don't want to force people to install 5,4 MB worth of JRE. Most likely you *will* have to distribute the JRE (unless you find a compatible java-to-exe compiler?). You might

Re: Fop speed improvements

2001-10-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 11 October 2001 20:05, Scott Moore wrote: I generated a 100 page PDF in about 20 seconds Would you mind sharing the XSL-FO of this document? We are currently studying how far optimizing FO code (just on one example document that we know is less than optimal) makes a difference, and

Re: Servlet called twice

2001-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 09 October 2001 10:52, Kuehnberger wrote: my servlet is still called twice when the output is pdf, Are you using Internet Explorer as a client? If yes, this is a known problem: IE often does additional requests for non-HTML files. AFAIK this is hard, if not impossible, to solve on

Re: Will there be a RTF renderer?

2001-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 24 September 2001 12:18, Beer, Christian wrote: Will there be a RTF renderer in the near future? We (my company, I'm not speaking for the FOP team) have been working on an RTF renderer earlier this year, and later scrapped it for a standalone implementation known as jfor that is

Re: Performance and java 1.1

2001-09-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
So the question is: can we drop java 1.1 support and use better data structures? +1 for this: -even switching to a 1.2 JVM (+hotspot) without code changes often brings big performance improvements compared to 1.1, so IMHO forcing users to 1.2 is a good thing for FOP in general -the

(jfor) how to define XSL-FO extensions a la fox:outline

2001-08-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
In the jfor project (XSL-FO to RTF converter) we'd like to define extensions to XSL-FO for RTF-specific constructs (RTF styles in this case). Could someone from the FOP team check that the proposal below is ok with FOP? Ideally, our jfor: extensions should be completely ignored by FOP, while

RTF backend status (was: where is fop.jar?)

2001-06-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
What happened to the rtf backend which Mr Bertarnd submitted? Actually I didn't submit the RTF backend yet, only made it available as a hacked version of fop on our own CVS server (:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvsroot, password is anoncvs, module name is xml-fop, cvsweb at

Re: FOP source code ambigous

2001-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
in other words I didn't find a file containing : package org.apache.fop.fo.properties I don't know the exact details, but the source code for org.apache.fop.fo.properties is generated from XML and (I think) XSL files during the build. You can find the exact mechanism by studying the

Re: Conversion RTF to FO

2001-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I 'd like to convert a .RTF file to .FO file. Is there a program doing it ? There are a few programs called rtf2xml on the web (see http://www.google.com/search?q=rtf2xml), but I didn't test any of them yet. It might be your first step: convert RTF to XML, then use XSL to generate XSL:FO.

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