FW: TimeSavers

2008-05-21 Thread Baruch Brodersen
Paul, We've used TimeSavers, TS-navigation Assistant, and TS-Forms Assistant for years to produce show-stopping, crowd-pleasing PDFs. There are few tools that rival its ability to significantly improve quality PDF output. For our company, TimeSavers is indispensable; right up there with

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Ben Hechter
Hi All, Competent in Framemaker but new to Robohelp, with the following question: If you had to design roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp) for a constantly evolving product, would you: a) begin in Framemaker and export to Robohelp b) begin in Robohelp and export to

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jerilynne Knight
Hi Ben Years ago, during my first single sourcing project for a client (when I hadn't even heard the term...grin), we started with the help file design. We ALWAYS started with a map of the components we wanted to include in each deliverable type and documented what each category of information

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Rene Stephenson
I would: d) Buy the current Adobe Technical Communicator Suite, just a $900 upgrade with ANY previous license for FM or RH. ...because the new RH and FM8 work together seamlessly. As I understand it, you don't have to roundtrip stuff back and forth through MIF anymore. You just set up your RH

RE: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenor egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
Hmm, I gather that the integration isn't quite that smooth between RH and FM in the Tech Comm Suite. Admittedly, I have only tried it once, but I believe that it is still a .mif import that you have to repeat if you make changes to the FM content. Given that, it might not quite be the full-blown

how to get list of variables and values

2008-05-21 Thread Karene Millar
Does anyone know of a way to get a complete list (text is fine) of all the variables in a FM file and their values? I'm using FM 7.1 Thank you! Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL

Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Jona Steenbrink
Disclaimer: I apologize if this message appears on the list twice. The first time I sent it, I did not use the email address that is registered with framers. Hi. FM 8.0p273 Windows XP (running on parallels on a Mac) I am fast approaching the end of my tether working with conditional

Re: Booklet function with Framemaker

2008-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Osier-Mixon
This is *much* easier done at the printer than in software of any kind. Modern professional printer drivers know how to paginate booklets (or signatures), thus there isn't much sense in doing it in software unless you are printing at home. If you ARE printing at home, other respondents have

MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
I'm working with FrameMaker 8.0p273 (unable to download the latest patch until Adobe puts it on their website) on Windows XP SP2 and noticing that FM8 frequently crashes when I'm working with a Microsoft Office application at the same time. It crashes when Outlook looks for new e-mail, when I

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread mathieu jacquet
Hi to all, here is a question from a client: he's just developed a new GPS-based product in France, has a getting started and user manual written (I'm currently working on it) in French and would like to know if he is supposed to have them translated... I answered yes, you have to have them

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jim Owens
Based on a recent evaluation of TCS, my understanding is that the HTML cannot be round-tripped. What's more, certain things you might want in your HTML cannot be marked up in Frame. For example, if you want to use drop-down hotspots, there's no way to mark them up in FrameMaker; you have to

RE: Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Michael O'Neill
Here's my 2 cents: 1) Are their rules, laws, or regulations governing this in each country it will be sold in (note: type of product might have an impact here) For example, in the USA there _may_ be FDA regulations about documentation localization for medical devices...FCC regulations about

RE: Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Kelly McDaniel
Regardless what the regulations are in a given country, one would want to provide the buyer with documentation in the most common language of the country at the very least. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent:

Re: MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Art Campbell
How much RAM and free disk (\temp) space do you have on your system? Art On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Hayward, Morgan (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working with FrameMaker 8.0p273 (unable to download the latest patch until Adobe puts it on their website) on Windows XP SP2 and

RE: Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Flato, Gillian
The problem is your track changes feature is on. Go to View Track Text Edit Bar to open the menu. Accept all of the changes and then turn off the feature. -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink Sent: Tuesday, May 20,

RE: how to get list of variables and values

2008-05-21 Thread Syed.Hosain
Hi, Karene. I strongly recommend BookVars from Leximation ... check out www.leximation.com for more info. Does more than you asked for, but the usefulness of it *cannot* be overemphasized! :) This is probably my most commonly used plug-in for FrameMaker. Z Does anyone know of a way to get a

Re: how to get list of variables and values

2008-05-21 Thread Stuart Rogers
Karene Millar wrote: Does anyone know of a way to get a complete list (text is fine) of all the variables in a FM file and their values? I'm using FM 7.1 Thank you! Karene Save the file as .mif, open in a text editor, and search for the string VariableFormats. What follows is the

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Rene Stephenson
I'll take your experience over my watching webinars any day. g Bummer.. Oh, well, I guess I can just stick with WWP Pro and FM 7.2 for a while longer. ;-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Jim Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, as far as I know, any

Re: Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Stuart Rogers
mathieu jacquet wrote: Hi to all, here is a question from a client: he's just developed a new GPS-based product in France, has a getting started and user manual written (I'm currently working on it) in French and would like to know if he is supposed to have them translated... I answered

RE: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenor egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Combs, Richard
Ben Hechter wrote: If you had to design roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp) for a constantly evolving product, would you: a) begin in Framemaker and export to Robohelp b) begin in Robohelp and export to Framemaker c) prototype in both and iterate as you go I'd pick

RE: TimeSavers

2008-05-21 Thread Diane Gaskill
Hi Linda, Just curious why you don't just set these in FM. The settings in FM are in the PDF Settings dialog box. Print PDF Settings (Settings tab) Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:02

RE: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Kelly McDaniel
IMHO roundtrip means: With two or more applications, changes made to a project in one application are reflected in both, and it implies that each application offers some exclusive functionality, and that there is some translation of some sort that transpires between the applications so that the

Conditional text xref problem - regression in FM8 p276?

2008-05-21 Thread Adam Schweitzer
I am having a problem with xrefs to conditional text (where the xref also has the same condition applied). What happens is, after changing the conditional text settings (just what is shown), saving, and then opening the document, the xrefs become unresolved. Steps: Initial setup - Document with

RE: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Michael O'Neill
If Jim Owens is right, and there are desirable help features that can't be implemented via FM, then these are shortcomings in the tools that ought to be put on the enhancement request list. But, IMHO, make the HTML roundtrippable should not be one of those requests. Every tool has it's

Re: Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Jona Steenbrink
Sadly, that is not the problem. Track changes are not, and were not, on. It's a mystery. On May 21, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Flato, Gillian wrote: The problem is your track changes feature is on. Go to View Track Text Edit Bar to open the menu. Accept all of the changes and then turn off the

RE: Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Robert Evans
In the EU, if the documentation includes safety information then it must be in at least one of the official languages of each country in the EU where the product is sold. Safety information is a pretty broad category, but certainly electrical instructions for charging etc (like a GPS product),

RE: MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
Hi Art, I have 59.8 GB of 74.5 GB free and 2 GB of RAM. Regards, Morgan _ Morgan Hayward Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:06 PM To:

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Deirdre Reagan
As I have no idea what this conversation is about (great way to open a discussion in which I offer my thoughts!), I googled round-trip and the Wikipedia definition says something along the lines of (no, wait, it's actually a direct quote): The term round-trip is commonly used in document

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jim Owens
That sounds about right to me. In the DITA world, round-tripping might mean that you could write your document in Frame, export it to XML, edit the XML in some other editor, then bring it back into Frame with the edits intact. Single-sourcing, on the other hand, is a one-way operation where

RE: TimeSavers

2008-05-21 Thread Shlomo Perets
Diane Gaskill wrote: - Collapse bookmarks so only the chapter titles show - Make sure the file opens to the first page of the PDF Just curious why you don't just set these in FM. The settings in FM are in the PDF Settings dialog box. Print PDF Settings (Settings tab) FrameMaker-to-Acrobat

Re: Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Art Campbell
Have you washed the file by saving out to MIF and opening that file? Is there any chance that you have book-level conditional text settings turned on that would over-ride the component chapter file's settings? Art On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Jona Steenbrink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly,

Re: Booklet function with Framemaker

2008-05-21 Thread Ben Hechter
For short runs, booklet assembly may be available as a simple embedded printer software option, if you are using a high-volume network printer/copier. Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.semitake.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as

RE: Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Catherine Woods
Other questions might be: does your client want all of translations in one document? Speaking from some translation experience: you also need to decide what flavours of languages you want? If the product will be sold in Central and Latin America as well as Europe, you may want to try

Re: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would: d) Buy the current Adobe Technical Communicator Suite, just a $900 upgrade with ANY previous license for FM or RH. because the new RH and FM8 work together seamlessly. As I understand it, you don't

RE: roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp -chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Schmidt, Tom
You left out the is between Dying and to. Thomas Schmidt -Original Message- Dying to sit at the grown-ups table, Deirdre The Customer Rules! You call, we JUMP!

Re: Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Jona Steenbrink
Update to conditional text (and thanks for everybody's input) Despite track changes not being on, clicking Accept All Changes, does get rid of the mark-ups. However, it also got rid of all of the conditional text. The problem clearly had to do with track changes in some way, but surely

OT: Job posting (contract): Pasadena company seeks Senior Technical Writer with API documentation experience

2008-05-21 Thread Shelly Schneider
Apologies in advance - this is probably NOT a position that will use FrameMaker! Please do NOT reply to this email address. USE THE LINK BELOW FOR MORE DETAILS AND CONTACT INFORMATION. A former coworker at Perfect Market, an Idealab company, has asked me to post this opening. For full

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jerilynne Knight
Hi Ben Years ago, during my first single sourcing project for a client (when I hadn't even heard the term...grin), we started with the help file design. We ALWAYS started with a map of the components we wanted to include in each deliverable type and documented what each category of information

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Rene Stephenson
I would: d) Buy the current Adobe Technical Communicator Suite, just a $900 upgrade with ANY previous license for FM or RH. ...because the new RH and FM8 work together seamlessly. As I understand it, you don't have to roundtrip stuff back and forth through MIF anymore. You just set up your RH

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenor egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
Hmm, I gather that the integration isn't quite that smooth between RH and FM in the Tech Comm Suite. Admittedly, I have only tried it once, but I believe that it is still a .mif import that you have to repeat if you make changes to the FM content. Given that, it might not quite be the full-blown

Booklet function with Framemaker

2008-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Osier-Mixon
This is *much* easier done at the printer than in software of any kind. Modern professional printer drivers know how to paginate booklets (or "signatures"), thus there isn't much sense in doing it in software unless you are printing at home. If you ARE printing at home, other respondents

MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
I'm working with FrameMaker 8.0p273 (unable to download the latest patch until Adobe puts it on their website) on Windows XP SP2 and noticing that FM8 frequently crashes when I'm working with a Microsoft Office application at the same time. It crashes when Outlook looks for new e-mail, when I

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread mathieu jacquet
Hi to all, here is a question from a client: he's just developed a new GPS-based product in France, has a "getting started" and "user manual" written (I'm currently working on it) in French and would like to know if he is supposed to have them translated... I answered "yes, you have to have

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jim Owens
Based on a recent evaluation of TCS, my understanding is that the HTML cannot be round-tripped. What's more, certain things you might want in your HTML cannot be marked up in Frame. For example, if you want to use drop-down hotspots, there's no way to mark them up in FrameMaker; you have to

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Michael O'Neill
Here's my 2 cents: 1) Are their rules, laws, or regulations governing this in each country it will be sold in (note: type of product might have an impact here) For example, in the USA there _may_ be FDA regulations about documentation localization for medical devices...FCC regulations about

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Kelly McDaniel
Regardless what the regulations are in a given country, one would want to provide the buyer with documentation in the most common language of the country at the very least. > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at >

MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Art Campbell
How much RAM and free disk (\temp) space do you have on your system? Art On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Hayward, Morgan (Bolton) wrote: > I'm working with FrameMaker 8.0p273 (unable to download the latest patch > until Adobe puts it on their website) on Windows XP SP2 and noticing > that FM8

Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Flato, Gillian
The problem is your track changes feature is on. Go to View > Track Text Edit Bar to open the menu. Accept all of the changes and then turn off the feature. -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On

how to get list of variables and values

2008-05-21 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Hi, Karene. I strongly recommend BookVars from Leximation ... check out www.leximation.com for more info. Does more than you asked for, but the usefulness of it *cannot* be overemphasized! :) This is probably my most commonly used plug-in for FrameMaker. Z > Does anyone know of a way to get a

how to get list of variables and values

2008-05-21 Thread Stuart Rogers
Karene Millar wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to get a complete list (text is fine) of all > the variables in a FM file and their values? > > I'm using FM 7.1 > > Thank you! > > Karene Save the file as .mif, open in a text editor, and search for the string "VariableFormats". What follows

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Rene Stephenson
I'll take your experience over my watching webinars any day. Bummer.. Oh, well, I guess I can just stick with WWP Pro and FM 7.2 for a while longer. ;-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Jim Owens In fact, as far as I know, any modifications

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Stuart Rogers
mathieu jacquet wrote: > Hi to all, > > here is a question from a client: he's just developed a new GPS-based > product in France, has a "getting started" and "user manual" written > (I'm currently working on it) in French and would like to know if he > is supposed to have them translated... > >

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenor egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Combs, Richard
Ben Hechter wrote: > If you had to design roundtrip documentation and help > (Framemaker/Robohelp) for a constantly evolving product, would you: > > a) begin in Framemaker and export to Robohelp > b) begin in Robohelp and export to Framemaker > c) prototype in both and iterate as you go I'd

TimeSavers

2008-05-21 Thread Diane Gaskill
Hi Linda, Just curious why you don't just set these in FM. The settings in FM are in the PDF Settings dialog box. Print > PDF Settings (Settings tab) Diane -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Linda

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Kelly McDaniel
IMHO roundtrip means: With two or more applications, changes made to a project in one application are reflected in both, and it implies that each application offers some exclusive functionality, and that there is some translation of some sort that transpires between the applications so that the

Conditional text xref problem - regression in FM8 p276?

2008-05-21 Thread Adam Schweitzer
I am having a problem with xrefs to conditional text (where the xref also has the same condition applied). What happens is, after changing the conditional text settings (just what is shown), saving, and then opening the document, the xrefs become unresolved. Steps: Initial setup - Document with

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Michael O'Neill
> > If Jim Owens is right, and there are desirable help features that can't > be implemented via FM, then these are shortcomings in the tools that > ought to be put on the enhancement request list. But, IMHO, "make the > HTML roundtrippable" should not be one of those requests. > Every tool has

Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Jona Steenbrink
Sadly, that is not the problem. Track changes are not, and were not, on. It's a mystery. On May 21, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Flato, Gillian wrote: > The problem is your track changes feature is on. Go to View > Track > Text > Edit Bar to open the menu. Accept all of the changes and then turn off >

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Robert Evans
In the EU, if the documentation includes safety information then it must be in at least one of the official languages of each country in the EU where the product is sold. Safety information is a pretty broad category, but certainly electrical instructions for charging etc (like a GPS product),

MS Office crashes FM8?

2008-05-21 Thread Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
Hi Art, I have 59.8 GB of 74.5 GB free and 2 GB of RAM. Regards, Morgan _ Morgan Hayward Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:06

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Deirdre Reagan
As I have no idea what this conversation is about (great way to open a discussion in which I offer my thoughts!), I googled "round-trip" and the Wikipedia definition says something along the lines of (no, wait, it's actually a direct quote): "The term round-trip is commonly used in document

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jim Owens
That sounds about right to me. In the DITA world, "round-tripping" might mean that you could write your document in Frame, export it to XML, edit the XML in some other editor, then bring it back into Frame with the edits intact. Single-sourcing, on the other hand, is a one-way operation where

TimeSavers

2008-05-21 Thread Shlomo Perets
Diane Gaskill wrote: > > - Collapse bookmarks so only the chapter titles show > > - Make sure the file opens to the first page of the PDF >Just curious why you don't just set these in FM. The settings in FM are in >the PDF Settings dialog box. >Print > PDF Settings (Settings tab)

Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Art Campbell
Have you washed the file by saving out to MIF and opening that file? Is there any chance that you have book-level conditional text settings turned on that would over-ride the component chapter file's settings? Art On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Jona Steenbrink wrote: > Sadly, that is not the

Booklet function with Framemaker

2008-05-21 Thread Ben Hechter
For short runs, booklet assembly may be available as a simple embedded printer software option, if you are using a high-volume network printer/copier. Ben Hechter bhechter at objectives.ca www.semitake.com

Marketing a product: which language for the documentation

2008-05-21 Thread Catherine Woods
Other questions might be: does your client want all of translations in one document? Speaking from some translation experience: you also need to decide what "flavours" of languages you want? If the product will be sold in Central and Latin America as well as Europe, you may want to try

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp - chicken or egg?

2008-05-21 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Rene Stephenson wrote: >I would: >d) Buy the current Adobe Technical Communicator Suite, just a $900 upgrade >with ANY previous license for FM or RH. > >because the new RH and FM8 work together seamlessly. As I understand it, >you don't have to

roundtrip documentation and help (Framemaker/Robohelp -chickenoregg?

2008-05-21 Thread Schmidt, Tom
You left out the "is" between "Dying" and "to". Thomas Schmidt -Original Message- Dying to sit at the grown-ups table, Deirdre The Customer Rules! You call, we JUMP!

Conditional Text Just Won't Go Away

2008-05-21 Thread Jona Steenbrink
Update to conditional text (and thanks for everybody's input) Despite track changes not being on, clicking Accept All Changes, does get rid of the mark-ups. However, it also got rid of all of the conditional text. The problem clearly had to do with track changes in some way, but surely

OT: Job posting (contract): Pasadena company seeks Senior Technical Writer with API documentation experience

2008-05-21 Thread Shelly Schneider
Apologies in advance - this is probably NOT a position that will use FrameMaker! Please do NOT reply to this email address. USE THE LINK BELOW FOR MORE DETAILS AND CONTACT INFORMATION. A former coworker at Perfect Market, an Idealab company, has asked me to post this opening. For full details,