Deirdre,
A variation of Peter's suggestion to use the Chapter Number system
variable instead of the user variable on the master pages as well. That
way, you only need to specify the number once. Alternatively, instead of
inserting the <$chapnum> building block before <$paratext> in the
Hi all:
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book.
I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user
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Hi all:
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe
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Subject: adding user variables to the TOC
Hi all:
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I
: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:57 AM
To: Owen, Clint
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Thanks, Clint.
The user variable is in the footer on the master page. It's not showing
up as an option in the list of TOC variables.
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi Deidre,
The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master
pages.
Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you
achieve what
Hi Deirdre
If you need to have the variable available in the TOC so you can use it
there (as opposed to creating a link or cross reference to it), have you
tried importing the variables from the document where it is used to the TOC?
It sounds like it may have created in an individual document and
FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the
paragraphs you can select for the TOC.
You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer.
Fred Ridder wrote:
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user
Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
page.
Art
On Mon, Jun 16,
Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the
user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such,
the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
it.
Here's the 411:
We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.
Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?
Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).
It is not a building block you can
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FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the
paragraphs you can select for the TOC. You might have to add it to the
catalog in Paragraph Designer. Fred Ridder wrote: Deirdre Reagan wrote:
I have
If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can
put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character
format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include $paranum
in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.
P.S. I've confirmed Fred
Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
repair chapter.
So our TOC will be
Class Divider
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
repair chapter.
So
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:
If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.
Then add the $VOLNUM building
Hey! Good idea! I will try this.
Thanks!
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin,
This also sounds like a good idea -- I will try it also and let you
all know which works best for my situation.
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:
If it is not being used otherwise, a
Stuart Rogers suggested:
Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX
variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph,
and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn
in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the
Fred Ridder wrote:
Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):
Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
paragraph but conditionalize it as TOConly (or some such condition
name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup.
Responding to my alternative approach, Stuart Rogers wrote (in part):
I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the
title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the
show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative
Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
$chapnum building block into the TOC specification area before
$paratext on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
number, set the Chapter numbering
Deirdre,
A possible workaround is to create a special paragraph format and put it in
the text frame on the body page. Put the variable in it as the only text.
Then set the color to white to make it invisible. (You can also set a very
small font size for the paragraph to reduce its effect on
Hi all:
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book.
I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user
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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 AM
To: Framer's List
Subject: adding user variables to the TOC
Hi all:
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I
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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
> Reagan
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 AM
> To: Framer's List
> Subject: adding user variables to the TOC
>
> Hi all:
>
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I jus
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when
If you use the variable in a tag in your chapter, you can add that tag
to the TOC.
For example, our chapters use an "h1" paragraph tag for the heading, but
also a "chapter" paragraph tag that incorporates the Chapter Number
variable. To include both the heading and the chapter number in our
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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:57 AM
To: Owen, Clint
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Thanks, Clint.
The user variable is in the footer on the master page. It's not showing
up as an option in the list of TOC variables.
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint w
Hi Deidre,
The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master
pages.
Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you
achieve what
Hi Deirdre
If you need to have the variable available in the TOC so you can use it
there (as opposed to creating a link or cross reference to it), have you
tried importing the variables from the document where it is used to the TOC?
It sounds like it may have created in an individual document and
FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the
paragraphs you can select for the TOC.
You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer.
Fred Ridder wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
>> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
page.
Art
On Mon, Jun 16,
Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the
user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such,
the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
it.
Here's the 411:
We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.
Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?
Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).
It is not a building block you can
gt; CC: deirdre.reagan at
gmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: adding user variables
to the TOC> > FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up
in the > paragraphs you can select for the TOC.> > You might have to add it to
the catalog in Paragraph De
If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can
put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character
format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include <$paranum>
in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.
P.S. I've confirmed Fred
Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
repair chapter.
So our TOC will be
Class Divider
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
> anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
>
> Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
> that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
> repair chapter.
>
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:
If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.
Then add the <$VOLNUM> building
Hey! Good idea! I will try this.
Thanks!
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Stuart Rogers wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> > Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
> > anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
> >
> > Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a
This also sounds like a good idea -- I will try it also and let you
all know which works best for my situation.
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote:
> I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:
>
>
> If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to
Stuart Rogers suggested:
> Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX
> variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph,
> and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn
> in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save
Fred Ridder wrote:
> Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):
>
> Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
> paragraph but conditionalize it as "TOConly" (or some such condition
> name). The TOC file itself would require no special
Responding to my alternative approach, Stuart Rogers wrote (in part):
> I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the
> title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the
> show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative
>
Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
<$chapnum> building block into the TOC specification area before
<$paratext> on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
number, set the Chapter
Deirdre,
A possible workaround is to create a special paragraph format and put it in
the text frame on the body page. Put the variable in it as the only text.
Then set the color to white to make it invisible. (You can also set a very
small font size for the paragraph to reduce its effect on
Oh! That sounds the easiest.
Thanks, Peter!
Deirdre
On 6/16/08, Peter Gold wrote:
> Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
> to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
> <$chapnum> building block into the TOC specification area before
>
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