Problem in deleting empty pages

[Ranvijay Chandel]

Hi All,


I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.


Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
that are left behind don't get deleted.


I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
2) Before Saving  Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
have an empty page after each chapter)


But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
asking the following question:


The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38


If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)

I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
this:

I will add a text as Lastpage on the whenever we finish writing a
chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
page and delete those empty pages.

For example,
My chapter has 10 pages
I have a text Lastpage inserted in page 7
Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
remains).

If the text Lastpage  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
automatically deleted from the chapter

I have written the following script in trying to fix this:

Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;

New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);

Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
  //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
in the stringlist
 Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
 set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
 write lastPageNo;
EndLoop

New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);

//Find the text Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
finishes
Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
(stat);

   If stat = true
//get the page number where it finds the text Lastpage
set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
Write currPageNo;
write lastPageNo;
//Loop from the page where it found the text Lastpage till the last page
in the chapter
 Loop While(i = lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
  write lastPageNo;
//Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
NewVar(lPage);
write lPage;
Delete Object(lPage);
endloop
   endif

But I am getting the following error:
OBJ(NULL) error
on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
DocObject(CurrentDoc)

Please suggest a workaround to this solution.

Ranvijay Chandel
Information Developer
Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore (India)
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RE: Problem in deleting empty pages

[Vig, Nanna Poulsen]

Ranvijaj,
When I first encountered this problem, another member of this list pointed out 
that the pages might not be completely empty. And they weren't. When I selected 
all on one of the last empty pages in the chapter (by click-dragging), small 
'boxes' would appear with nothing in them. They were typically 'leftovers' from 
random mouse-work - at least in my case. When they were deleted, I could save 
the chapter and the empty pages would disappear. 
HTH,
Nanna

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Subject: Problem in deleting empty pages


Hi All,


I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.


Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
that are left behind don't get deleted.


I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
2) Before Saving  Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
have an empty page after each chapter)


But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
asking the following question:


The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38


If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)

I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
this:

I will add a text as Lastpage on the whenever we finish writing a
chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
page and delete those empty pages.

For example,
My chapter has 10 pages
I have a text Lastpage inserted in page 7
Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
remains).

If the text Lastpage  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
automatically deleted from the chapter

I have written the following script in trying to fix this:

Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;

New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);

Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
  //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
in the stringlist
 Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
 set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
 write lastPageNo;
EndLoop

New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);

//Find the text Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
finishes
Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
(stat);

   If stat = true
//get the page number where it finds the text Lastpage
set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
Write currPageNo;
write lastPageNo;
//Loop from the page where it found the text Lastpage till the last page
in the chapter
 Loop While(i = lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
  write lastPageNo;
//Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
NewVar(lPage);
write lPage;
Delete Object(lPage);
endloop
   endif

But I am getting the following error:
OBJ(NULL) error
on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
DocObject(CurrentDoc)

Please suggest a workaround to this solution.

Ranvijay Chandel
Information Developer
Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore (India)
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Re: Problem in deleting empty pages

[Shmuel]

I also get that error sometimes. When I click OK, it deletes the page, 
but every time I update the book it comes back. It's probably due to a 
conflict with something defined on a master page. If anyone one has a 
solution, I'm be very greatful. This is a real nuisance, and Frame is 
supposed to be stable :)


--
Regards,
Shmuel

Ranvijay Chandel wrote:

Hi All,


I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.


Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
that are left behind don't get deleted.


I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
2) Before Saving  Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
have an empty page after each chapter)


But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
asking the following question:


The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38


If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)

I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
this:

I will add a text as Lastpage on the whenever we finish writing a
chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
page and delete those empty pages.

For example,
My chapter has 10 pages
I have a text Lastpage inserted in page 7
Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
remains).

If the text Lastpage  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
automatically deleted from the chapter

I have written the following script in trying to fix this:

Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;

New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);

Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
  //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
in the stringlist
 Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
 set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
 write lastPageNo;
EndLoop

New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);

//Find the text Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
finishes
Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
(stat);

   If stat = true
//get the page number where it finds the text Lastpage
set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
Write currPageNo;
write lastPageNo;
//Loop from the page where it found the text Lastpage till the last page
in the chapter
 Loop While(i = lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
  write lastPageNo;
//Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
NewVar(lPage);
write lPage;
Delete Object(lPage);
endloop
   endif

But I am getting the following error:
OBJ(NULL) error
on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
DocObject(CurrentDoc)

Please suggest a workaround to this solution.

Ranvijay Chandel
Information Developer
Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore (India)
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Re: Problem in deleting empty pages

[Yves Barbion]

Hi,

It's not really a conflict with something on a master page, but a conflict
with the pagination settings on a book level. Your 1st Page Side may have
been set to Right for each file (chapter) in your book. If so, FrameMaker
will add a left blank page to the previous file.


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Re: complicated graphics eps/cross references and structured framemaker.

[Lynne A. Price]

At 10:39 PM 4/23/2006, Noah Evans wrote:

The gist of my problem is that I have a lot of complex graphical elements
each with text captions which contain crossreferenced text. I was hoping to
save the graphics and text boxes to eps together with a minimum of
formatting from the Framemaker on the framemaker side but the
crossreferences make that difficult(impossible?).


Noah,
  Sounds like you are facing two issues:

1) Designing how your XML will look. How will you use the XML files? Will 
all applications need to reference the graphic caption? If so, you'll 
either need to remove the caption from the EPS file, or duplicate the 
caption elsewhere in the element structure.


2) Getting FrameMaker to import or export the desired structure. Without a 
custom FDK client, FrameMaker treats an anchored frame as a single object. 
If the caption is within the anchored frame, you can create 
cross-references to it, but those cross-references will not round-trip.



How do people normally
deal with complicated graphics in structured Framemaker?


Many applications put the cross-reference in a paragraph preceding or 
following the graphic image. Some use a table in which the image is placed 
in one row and the caption in another.


--Lynne



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RE: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Jim Light]

Shlomo, 

Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
of known issues?

I see a list of Top issues at
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

Is that all there is?
Thanks

Jim

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Subject: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs  Issues / FrameMaker FAQ


The list of FrameMaker Bugs  Issues -- 
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html -- has been updated significantly
in 
recent weeks.

The list covers FrameMaker versions 5.0-7.2. Many of the bugs/issues
listed 
under older versions also apply to later versions; specific items known
to 
have been fixed in later versions are marked as such.

Also updated: FrameMaker FAQ,
http://www.microtype.com/FrameMaker_FAQ.html

Please report inaccuracies or missing items. Your input and comments
will 
help make these lists more useful and current.


Shlomo Perets

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Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for example, 
'9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
-- 
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Re: Alignment of list numbers

[Art Campbell]

You're probably using a single left tab stop to separate the number
from the text. You need to use two, one right-aligned to force the
sequence you want.

Add a right tab stop to the Basic para tag tab and also add it to
the Numbering sequence, so it looks something like: \tn+.\t


Art

On 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
 the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
 left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
 example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

 I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
 it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
 right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
 level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
 achieving the desired alignment.

 Does anyone have any ideas?
 --
 Steve


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Re: Alignment of list numbers

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:47 PM +0100 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?

  That's an easy one. FrameMaker lets you do what you want here. Put the 
following in the autonumber format area:
 \tn+.\t
 and then add a new right tab ahead of the existing tab. Update all. Adjust the 
location of the tabs and the wrap to taste.

 - web
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Re: Alignment of list numbers

[Yves Barbion]

Sure Steve, piece of cake.

 Proceed as follows:

 1. Change the numbering of your number list tag into something like this:
N:\tn+\t

 2. Make sure that the first tab stop is right-aligned (e.g. 8 mm R) and the
second is left-aligned (e.g. 12 mm L).

 3. Check your Left Indent and make sure that it corresponds to your first
left-aligned tab stop, for example 12 mm.

4. Update All and there you go.

P.S.: sorry for the mm's. ;-)

 Good luck and best regards



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Fax: +32 9 265 74 84
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On 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented
 on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers
 are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for
 example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

 I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of
 course it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do
 indeed right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the
 paragraph tag level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a
 simple method of achieving the desired alignment.

 Does anyone have any ideas?
 --
 Steve
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Re: Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

Wow list! Thanks to Zoe, Bill, Yves, Art and Robert for a plethora of 
lightning-fast answers, all more or less advocating the same thing. And thanks 
also for my first mental 'Duh!' moment of the week ;-)

(My experiments with right-aligned run-in numbering paragraphs produced results 
that were, to say the least, interesting. Maybe I should stick to gardening.)
-- 
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RE: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Shlomo Perets]

Jim,

You wrote:

 Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
 but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
 of known issues?

 I see a list of Top issues at
 http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

 Is that all there is?

The http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html list is organized as follows: 
each version/patch is in a separate section. At the top of the section are 
fixes to issues reported in previous versions. At the bottom of the section 
are issues which were experienced in that version/patch but not beforehand. 
Thus, if there is an issue from an older version and no fixes mentioned in 
any of the later versions/patches, then that issue still exists (i.e. known 
issue). The logic behind this method of organization is to enable you to 
see if a bug fix is relevant to your version or not.


For example, at the bottom of the list, under FM5.0 (released 1994), the 
following few items are listed, among others:
* Spell checker does not locate repeated words when they are not on the 
same line, or if their capitalization varies.
* Hypertext markers and cross-references in hidden conditional table rows 
are carried over to PDF as active links.

* Cross-references in text insets are not converted to active links
These issue are equally applicable to FM5.5, FM6.0, FM7.0, FM7.1 and FM7.2 
(even though they are not listed under these versions).


This list could have been arranged differently (e.g. database-driven, with 
queries, keywords etc.), but I am afraid that it would have been too 
labor-intensive for me.


Notice also that this list does not claim to include all known issues; I am 
dependent on the assistance of Framers' reports about both bugs and fixes, 
and on my availability.



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
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RE: More about Subversion [was Re: SourceSafe??? Recommendations needed]

[Grant Hogarth]

I've had no trouble with it, but admit that I've not needed to do
FLA/SWF storage/recovery yet.
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So Subversion can handle any file type (FLA, SWF, FM, Graphics, etc.)?


Sincerely,
Loren


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All:

Thought you might be interested in this summary of Subversion as an
alternative to VSS.

Hedley

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Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.

 

This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).

 

Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

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Re: Odd Page-down behavior

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.

This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).

Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported EPS 
graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to have a note of 
the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning off graphics display 
when you don't need it.

If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes it. 
Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type them in 
again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

This is what I like to call FrameMaker's Scroll Back Bug. It is a known bug 
explained by Adobe at

http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm

My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is Windows 
only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript for the Mac, I 
can write a script that will basically duplicate its functionality. For 
details on what needs to be changed in the document, go to my Plugins page and 
click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to, you can save your documents as 
MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to set 
the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around. With a 
script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document (or book), and 
change the Runaround property. You can also do this by changing the MIF file. 
You can search for this

RunaroundType Contour

and replace with

RunaroundType None

The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround value is 
set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event script can be set to 
automatically change it to Don't Run Around whenever you import a graphic. 
This prevents the problem from reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve
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RE: Alignment of list numbers

[Joanne Curme]

Is it better that the numbers are right-aligned? This seems more of an
accounting requirement than a design one. With left alignment, the numerals
for either the single-digit steps or the double-digit steps do not line up
with the left margin grid. If, as in my template, the n step format aligns
with the body left paragraph margins, this means either the first step or
the last step (if it's double-digit) do not left-align with the introductory
or summarizing text.

I've tried this both ways in my docs. The only benefit to right-alignment is
that the gap between the step number and the step text stays consistent when
the steps go to two digits. With left-alignment, this means the single-digit
steps have a slightly wider gap than the double-digit steps. 

Steps in the printed FM docs left-align with the body text. It appears they
use an em-space after the number, because there is a consistent amount of
white space after the number -- the first line of step 10 is more indented
than lines 1-9, but by the same amount. (FM 7.0 UG, p 509) This seems to be
the format for A steps also (p 8). Subsequent lines in steps wrap back to
the left margin so there is not an issue with aligning to a hanging indent.

Whenever there are procedures with more than 9 steps (which can't be avoided
sometimes :) ), the longer numerals simply have to move to either the left
or the right. IMHO, it's more pleasing to the eye to maintain the left
margin grid. 

Joanne 



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Steve Rickaby
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:47 AM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Alignment of list numbers

On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented
on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers
are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for
example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
--
Steve
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RE: Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Thank you, Steve. This is what I needed to know.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:03 AM
To: Jim Light
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Odd Page-down behavior

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.

This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).

Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported
EPS graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to
have a note of the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning
off graphics display when you don't need it.


If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes
it. Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type
them in again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

This is what I like to call FrameMaker's Scroll Back Bug. It is a
known bug explained by Adobe at

http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm

My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is
Windows only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript
for the Mac, I can write a script that will basically duplicate its
functionality. For details on what needs to be changed in the document,
go to my Plugins page and click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to,
you can save your documents as MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to
set the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around.
With a script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document
(or book), and change the Runaround property. You can also do this by
changing the MIF file. You can search for this

RunaroundType Contour

and replace with

RunaroundType None

The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround
value is set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event
script can be set to automatically change it to Don't Run Around
whenever you import a graphic. This prevents the problem from
reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve
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RE: Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:12 -0700 24/4/06, Joanne Curme wrote:

Is it better that the numbers are right-aligned? This seems more of an 
accounting requirement than a design one. With left alignment, the numerals 
for either the single-digit steps or the double-digit steps do not line up 
with the left margin grid. If, as in my template, the n step format aligns 
with the body left paragraph margins, this means either the first step or the 
last step (if it's double-digit) do not left-align with the introductory or 
summarizing text.

...Whenever there are procedures with more than 9 steps (which can't be 
avoided sometimes :) ), the longer numerals simply have to move to either the 
left or the right. IMHO, it's more pleasing to the eye to maintain the left 
margin grid.

I'm replying as it was me who raised this point. To be honest, I didn't 
consider issues of 'better' or 'worse', but merely reacted to the proofreader's 
slight surprise that right-alignment was not used. Proofreader works on paper, 
knows nothing about FrameMaker, or even that it was used, but does have a sound 
sense of what is 'usual'.

As far as the esthetics of the two approaches, I'm looking at a printed book 
with right-aligned list numbers, and I think I have a slight preference for 
them. I do agree, though, that where most of your lists don't go into double 
digits, the lack of left-margin alignment is... er... a lack. Seems like a case 
of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't;-)
-- 
Steve
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Possibly OT: MS CMS

[Glenn Voyles]

Apologies in advance if this message is posted twice.

I wonder if any of you have used Microsoft's Content Management Server,
or have considered it when researching a CMS solution. 

Plusses? Minuses? Any info would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Glenn Voyles 

 

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Re: Odd Page-down behavior

[Mike Wickham]

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.


That bug is a pain. I've got Rick Quatro's RunaroundNone plugin, but the 
problem still occurs for me. (I haven't researched why-- presumably from 
graphics imported before I started using the plugin.)


However, I have found an easy workaround. Simply click anywhere in the page 
margin before you scroll. For me, at least, it completely eliminates the 
behavior in the document-- for as long as the document remains open. Once it 
becomes a habit to click before scrolling, life gets easier. :)


Mike Wickham
Pleco Press, Inc.
Aquarium books endorsed by fish!


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Re: Odd Page-down behavior

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Mike,

Send me a document where you still see the behavior and I will tell you want 
is wrong. RunaroundNone is guaranteed to fix the problem. Thanks.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.


That bug is a pain. I've got Rick Quatro's RunaroundNone plugin, but the 
problem still occurs for me. (I haven't researched why-- presumably from 
graphics imported before I started using the plugin.)


However, I have found an easy workaround. Simply click anywhere in the 
page margin before you scroll. For me, at least, it completely eliminates 
the behavior in the document-- for as long as the document remains open. 
Once it becomes a habit to click before scrolling, life gets easier. :)


Mike Wickham
Pleco Press, Inc.
Aquarium books endorsed by fish!


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Intrenal Error

[Ranvijay Chandel]

Hi All,

This is a critical error that I am getting when I save one particular
framemaker file in my book.

It does not give this error for other framemaker files.

Please see the attached image for details about the error.

Please provide a solution or workaround to this problem.

Thanks and regards,

Ranvijay Chandel

Information Developer

Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.

Bangalore (India)
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SourceSafe??? Recommendations needed.

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

Marcus wrote:
> If you check in Frame files you are storing a copy of the template
> information every single time you commit. This can chew up your storage
> space fairly quickly.

Visual SourceSafe (VSS) does binary deltas on FrameMaker binary files. 
Template information is not repeated on each check-in.  When one of our 
repositories had reached 4 Gb I thought I would archive then delete all 
versions prior to the most recent and start with a new slimmer repository. 
 After several days' work and lots of anguish, I managed to save about 20 
percent -- scarcely worth the trouble.  That is, the base versions 
constituted 80 percent of the repository and the binary deltas about 20 
percent.

Subversion also stores binary deltas, so you can jam your graphics, FM 
files and Auld Uncle Tom Cobbleigh n'all into your repository.  And it's 
free, client-server (either with WebDav plus Apache, or its own server), 
cross-platform and performs atomic commits of a group check-in, that is, 
if one file fails to check-in the entire group check-in fails (A Good 
Thing).

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2006

More about Subversion [was "Re: SourceSafe??? Recommendations needed"]

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

Thought you might be interested in this summary of Subversion as an 
alternative to VSS.

Hedley

- Forwarded by Hedley Finger/AU/MYOB on 24/04/2006 09:46 AM -


Zhi Qiang Wu 
Sent by: dita-users at yahoogroups.com
20/04/2006 04:30 PM
Please respond to dita-users

To: dita-ot-developer at lists.sourceforge.net, 
dita-users at yahoogroups.com
cc: 
Subject:[dita-users] Proposal for using subversion instead 
of CVS



Dear all, 

Due to some known limitations of CVS, to improve the productivity and 
efficiency of the DITA-OT development process, we are now having a 
proposal to use Subverion instead of CVS as our version control system in 
SourceForge.net. 

Below are some simple introduction about Subversion, would you please help 
to have a review of this proposal and give us some comments about this 
proposal? Any suggestions or comments are welcome! Thank you for your 
kindly support! 


1. About subversion 

Subversion is a free/open-source version control system. The goal of the 
Subversion project is to build a version control system that is a 
compelling replacement for CVS in the open source community. The software 
is released under an Apache/BSD-style open source license. 


2. Subversion's Features 

# Most current CVS features. 
Subversion is meant to be a better CVS, so it has most of CVS's features. 
Generally, Subversion's interface to a particular feature is similar to 
CVS's, except where there's a compelling reason to do otherwise. 

# Directories, renames, and file meta-data are versioned. 
Lack of these features is one of the most common complaints against CVS. 
Subversion versions not only file contents and file existence, but also 
directories, copies, and renames. It also allows arbitrary metadata 
("properties") to be versioned along with any file or directory, and 
provides a mechanism for versioning the `execute' permission flag on 
files. 

# Commits are truly atomic. 
No part of a commit takes effect until the entire commit has succeeded. 
Revision numbers are per-commit, not per-file; log messages are attached 
to the revision, not stored redundantly as in CVS. 

# Apache network server option, with WebDAV/DeltaV protocol. 
Subversion can use the HTTP-based WebDAV/DeltaV protocol for network 
communications, and the Apache web server to provide repository-side 
network service. This gives Subversion an advantage over CVS in 
interoperability, and provides various key features for free: 
authentication, path-based authorization, wire compression, and basic 
repository browsing. 

# Standalone server option. 
Subversion also offers a standalone server option using a custom protocol 
(not everyone wants to run Apache 2.x). The standalone server can run as 
an inetd service, or in daemon mode, and offers basic authentication and 
authorization. It can also be tunnelled over ssh. 

# Branching and tagging are cheap (constant time) operations 
There is no reason for these operations to be expensive, so they aren't. 

Branches and tags are both implemented in terms of an underlying "copy" 
operation. A copy takes up a small, constant amount of space. Any copy is 
a tag; and if you start committing on a copy, then it's a branch as well. 
(This does away with CVS's "branch-point tagging", by removing the 
distinction that made branch-point tags necessary in the first place.) 

# Natively client/server, layered library design 
Subversion is designed to be client/server from the beginning; thus 
avoiding some of the maintenance problems which have plagued CVS. The code 
is structured as a set of modules with well-defined interfaces, designed 
to be called by other applications. 

# Client/server protocol sends diffs in both directions 
The network protocol uses bandwidth efficiently by transmitting diffs in 
both directions whenever possible (CVS sends diffs from server to client, 
but not client to server). 

# Costs are proportional to change size, not data size 
In general, the time required for a Subversion operation is proportional 
to the size of the changes resulting from that operation, not to the 
absolute size of the project in which the changes are taking place. This 
is a property of the Subversion repository model. 

# Choice of database or plain-file repository implementations 
Repositories can be created with either an embedded database back-end 
(BerkeleyDB) or with normal flat-file back-end, which uses a custom 
format. 

# Versioning of symbolic links 
Unix users can place symbolic links under version control. The links are 
recreated in Unix working copies, but not in win32 working copies. 

# Efficient handling of binary files 
Subversion is equally efficient on binary as on text files, because it 
uses a binary diffing algorithm to transmit and store successive 
revisions. 

# Parseable output 
All output of the Subversion command-line client is carefully designed to 
be both human readable and automatically parseable; 

Document Control on a budget

[DG]

Hi Sharon,

You can go in for CVS which is an open source version control tool.

HTH
Debashish


On 4/21/06, Sharon Smithe  wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> If you have almost no budget to work with, what are the document
> control options that you can use with FrameMaker?
>
> We have FrameMaker files stored and shared on a network drive (Windows
> OS).  We'd like to have check in/check out and revision
> history/tracking.  Is there anything out there in the
> free/opensource/inexpensive realm that you can recommend?
>
> Thank you,
> Sharon
> slsmithe - gmail - com
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complicated graphics eps/cross references and structured framemaker.

[Noah Evans]

Hey,

I'm currently working on a structured application to make my companies'
manuals autogenerating. I've had reasonable success with the tables and
other formats, but I've hit a dead end when it comes to the graphics.

The gist of my problem is that I have a lot of complex graphical elements
each with text captions which contain crossreferenced text. I was hoping to
save the graphics and text boxes to eps together with a minimum of
formatting from the Framemaker on the framemaker side but the
crossreferences make that difficult(impossible?). How do people normally
deal with complicated graphics in structured Framemaker?

Best Regards,

Noah Evans

Problem in deleting empty pages

[Ranvijay Chandel]

Hi All,


I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.


Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
that are left behind don't get deleted.


I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
2) Before Saving & Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
have an empty page after each chapter)


But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
asking the following question:


"The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38"


If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)

I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
this:

I will add a text as "Lastpage" on the whenever we finish writing a
chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
page and delete those empty pages.

For example,
My chapter has 10 pages
I have a text "Lastpage" inserted in page 7
Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
remains).

If the text "Lastpage"  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
automatically deleted from the chapter

I have written the following script in trying to fix this:

Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;

New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);

Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
  //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
in the stringlist
 Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
 set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
 write lastPageNo;
EndLoop

New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);

//Find the text "Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
finishes
Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
(stat);

   If stat = true
//get the page number where it finds the text "Lastpage"
set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
Write currPageNo;
write lastPageNo;
//Loop from the page where it found the text "Lastpage" till the last page
in the chapter
 Loop While(i <= lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
  write lastPageNo;
//Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
NewVar(lPage);
write lPage;
Delete Object(lPage);
endloop
   endif

But I am getting the following error:
"OBJ(NULL)" error
on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
DocObject(CurrentDoc)

Please suggest a workaround to this solution.

Ranvijay Chandel
Information Developer
Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore (India)

Problem in deleting empty pages

[Vig, Nanna Poulsen]

Ranvijaj,
When I first encountered this problem, another member of this list pointed out 
that the pages might not be completely empty. And they weren't. When I selected 
all on one of the last empty pages in the chapter (by click-dragging), small 
'boxes' would appear with nothing in them. They were typically 'leftovers' from 
random mouse-work - at least in my case. When they were deleted, I could save 
the chapter and the empty pages would disappear. 
HTH,
Nanna

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From: framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Ranvijay Chandel
Sent: 24. april 2006 07:01
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problem in deleting empty pages


Hi All,


I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.


Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
that are left behind don't get deleted.


I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
2) Before Saving & Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
have an empty page after each chapter)


But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
asking the following question:


"The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
Are you sure you want to do this?
Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38"


If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)

I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
this:

I will add a text as "Lastpage" on the whenever we finish writing a
chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
page and delete those empty pages.

For example,
My chapter has 10 pages
I have a text "Lastpage" inserted in page 7
Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
remains).

If the text "Lastpage"  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
automatically deleted from the chapter

I have written the following script in trying to fix this:

Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;

New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);

Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
  //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
in the stringlist
 Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
 set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
 write lastPageNo;
EndLoop

New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);

//Find the text "Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
finishes
Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
(stat);

   If stat = true
//get the page number where it finds the text "Lastpage"
set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
Write currPageNo;
write lastPageNo;
//Loop from the page where it found the text "Lastpage" till the last page
in the chapter
 Loop While(i <= lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
  write lastPageNo;
//Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
NewVar(lPage);
write lPage;
Delete Object(lPage);
endloop
   endif

But I am getting the following error:
"OBJ(NULL)" error
on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
DocObject(CurrentDoc)

Please suggest a workaround to this solution.

Ranvijay Chandel
Information Developer
Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore (India)
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Problem in deleting empty pages

[Shmuel]

I also get that error sometimes. When I click OK, it deletes the page, 
but every time I update the book it comes back. It's probably due to a 
conflict with something defined on a master page. If anyone one has a 
solution, I'm be very greatful. This is a real nuisance, and Frame is 
supposed to be stable :)

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Ranvijay Chandel wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.
>
>
> Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
> that are left behind don't get deleted.
>
>
> I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
> 1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
> 2) Before Saving & Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
> have an empty page after each chapter)
>
>
> But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
> but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
> asking the following question:
>
>
> "The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
> some body pages.
> Are you sure you want to do this?
> Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38"
>
>
> If I click on OK nothing happens (i.e empty pages don't get deleted)
>
> I tried to solve this problem by writing a script also which works like
> this:
>
> I will add a text as "Lastpage" on the whenever we finish writing a
> chapter.. Then, we will find that text and loop through the pages after that
> page and delete those empty pages.
>
> For example,
> My chapter has 10 pages
> I have a text "Lastpage" inserted in page 7
> Pages 9-10 should get automatically deleted from the chapter (Page 8
> remains).
>
> If the text "Lastpage"  is in page 8, pages 9-10 should get
> automatically deleted from the chapter
>
> I have written the following script in trying to fix this:
>
> Set CurrentDoc = ActiveDoc;
>
> New StringList NewVar(bPageNos);
> New Integer NewVar(currPageNo);
> New Integer NewVar(lastPageNo);
>
> Loop ForEach(BodyPage) In(CurrentDoc) LoopVar(oPage)
>   //Loop thru all the body pages in a chapter and store their page numbers
> in the stringlist
>  Add Member(oPage.pagenum) To(bPageNos);
>  set lastPageNo = bPageNos.count;
>  write lastPageNo;
> EndLoop
>
> New String NewVar(bpBodyPage);
>
> //Find the text "Lastpage that I inserted on the page at which the chapter
> finishes
> Find FromTextLoc String('Lastpage') ReturnRange(trange) ReturnStatus
> (stat);
>
>If stat = true
> //get the page number where it finds the text "Lastpage"
> set currPageNo = CurrentPage.pagenum;
> Write currPageNo;
> write lastPageNo;
> //Loop from the page where it found the text "Lastpage" till the last page
> in the chapter
>  Loop While(i <= lastPageNo) LoopVar(i) Init(currPageNo+1) Incr(1)
>   write lastPageNo;
> //Get the body page for each page that we loop thru and delete that page
> Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage) DocObject(CurrentDoc)
> NewVar(lPage);
> write lPage;
> Delete Object(lPage);
> endloop
>endif
>
> But I am getting the following error:
> "OBJ(NULL)" error
> on the following line of the code: Get Object Type(BodyPage) Name(oPage)
> DocObject(CurrentDoc)
>
> Please suggest a workaround to this solution.
>
> Ranvijay Chandel
> Information Developer
> Yantra Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
> Bangalore (India)
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Problem in deleting empty pages

[Yves Barbion]

Hi,

It's not really a conflict with something on a master page, but a conflict
with the pagination settings on a book level. Your 1st Page Side may have
been set to Right for each file (chapter) in your book. If so, FrameMaker
will add a left blank page to the previous file.


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Problem in deleting empty pages

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ranvijay:

Delete empty pages requires these properties on the pages to be deleted:

* No custom master pages are used, only standard Left and Right.

* No content of any kind in the text flow on the body page, not even 
a carriage return.

* The settings are applied to the files in the book window.

* Because Book window settings supercede file-level settings, except 
when Read from File is set, when you choose Read from File, the 
file's settings must be correct for the results you want. You may 
need to experiment to see which is less confusing to define and 
maintain- a combination of read from file and book-level settings, or 
only settings from the book window.

>I am having problem in deleting empty pages from each chapter.
>
>
>Whenever I delete a large chunk of data from a chapter, the empty pages
>that are left behind don't get deleted.
>
>
>I have set the pagination settings for the book as following:
>1) 1st Page Side = Read from File
>2) Before Saving & Printing = Make Page Count Even (because I want to
>have an empty page after each chapter)
>
>
>But this setting works for some chapters (i.e empty pages get deleted)
>but for some chapters it does not work instead it shows a pop window
>asking the following question:
>
>
>"The new column layout in csr.fm seems to overlap other objects on
>some body pages.
>Are you sure you want to do this?
>Number of body pages affected:7. First page:38"

This error seems to indicate that some other activity is occurring 
during the book updating process, such as invoking Apply Master 
Pages, or perhaps it's a result of your script's activity.

If you observe the requirements, you shouldn't need a script.

For more views, suggestions, and opinions, search FM's online help 
for delete empty pages, and also search Google, the Adobe forum 
search (see the link at the top of this page) and the Adobe 
knowledgebase (also see the link above.)

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

complicated graphics eps/cross references and structured framemaker.

[Lynne A. Price]

At 10:39 PM 4/23/2006, Noah Evans wrote:
>The gist of my problem is that I have a lot of complex graphical elements
>each with text captions which contain crossreferenced text. I was hoping to
>save the graphics and text boxes to eps together with a minimum of
>formatting from the Framemaker on the framemaker side but the
>crossreferences make that difficult(impossible?).

Noah,
   Sounds like you are facing two issues:

1) Designing how your XML will look. How will you use the XML files? Will 
all applications need to reference the graphic caption? If so, you'll 
either need to remove the caption from the EPS file, or duplicate the 
caption elsewhere in the element structure.

2) Getting FrameMaker to import or export the desired structure. Without a 
custom FDK client, FrameMaker treats an anchored frame as a single object. 
If the caption is within the anchored frame, you can create 
cross-references to it, but those cross-references will not round-trip.

>How do people normally
>deal with complicated graphics in structured Framemaker?

Many applications put the cross-reference in a paragraph preceding or 
following the graphic image. Some use a table in which the image is placed 
in one row and the caption in another.

 --Lynne



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Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
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Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Jim Light]

Shlomo, 

Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
of known issues?

I see a list of "Top issues" at
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

Is that all there is?
Thanks

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:02 AM
To: Framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at omsys.com; FrameSGML at 
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Subject: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ


The list of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues -- 
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html -- has been updated significantly
in 
recent weeks.

The list covers FrameMaker versions 5.0-7.2. Many of the bugs/issues
listed 
under older versions also apply to later versions; specific items known
to 
have been fixed in later versions are marked as such.

Also updated: FrameMaker FAQ,
http://www.microtype.com/FrameMaker_FAQ.html

Please report inaccuracies or missing items. Your input and comments
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Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for example, 
'9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
-- 
Steve

Alignment of list numbers

[Martinek, Carla]

Insert a right-aligned tab for the numbering sequence.

Our numbering sequence is:

S:\t< >< >< >.\t 

-Carla
cmartinek at zebra dot com




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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:47 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Alignment of list numbers

On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has
commented on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits,
the numbers are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the
implication is that, for example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of
'10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of
course it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list
numbers do indeed right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply
justification at the paragraph tag level, and not at the character tag
level, I cannot see a simple method of achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
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Alignment of list numbers

[Robert Kern]

Steve,

Simple solution. In Autonumbering add a tab before and after the entry. 
In the tab settings make the first tab a right aligned tab and the 
second tab a left aligned tab. We usually put .15" in between the tabs 
and have the whole list indented .25".  Adjust tab spacing as needed if 
you run into lists with three digits.

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Steve Rickaby wrote:

>On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
>the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
>left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
>example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.
>
>I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
>it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
>right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
>level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
>achieving the desired alignment.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas?
>  
>

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Alignment of list numbers

[Art Campbell]

You're probably using a single "left" tab stop to separate the number
from the text. You need to use two, one right-aligned to force the
sequence you want.

Add a "right" tab stop to the Basic para tag tab and also add it to
the Numbering sequence, so it looks something like: \t.\t


Art

On 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
> the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
> left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
> example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.
>
> I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
> it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
> right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
> level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
> achieving the desired alignment.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> --
> Steve


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Alignment of list numbers

[Zoe Lawson]

Create your step paragraph with a right aligned tab for the number and then
a left aligned tab for the text.

Set your numbering to:
/t./t 

That should work theoretically (I haven't tested it, just what I think
should work ;-) 

Zoe

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To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Alignment of list numbers


On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented
on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers
are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for
example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
-- 
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Alignment of list numbers

[Bill Briggs]

At 3:47 PM +0100 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on 
>the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are 
>left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for 
>example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.
>
>I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course 
>it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed 
>right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag 
>level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of 
>achieving the desired alignment.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas?

  That's an easy one. FrameMaker lets you do what you want here. Put the 
following in the autonumber format area:
 \t.\t
 and then add a new right tab ahead of the existing tab. Update all. Adjust the 
location of the tabs and the wrap to taste.

 - web

Alignment of list numbers

[Yves Barbion]

Sure Steve, piece of cake.

 Proceed as follows:

 1. Change the numbering of your number list tag into something like this:
N:\t\t

 2. Make sure that the first tab stop is right-aligned (e.g. 8 mm R) and the
second is left-aligned (e.g. 12 mm L).

 3. Check your Left Indent and make sure that it corresponds to your first
left-aligned tab stop, for example 12 mm.

4. Update All and there you go.

P.S.: sorry for the mm's. ;-)

 Good luck and best regards



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On 4/24/06, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
>
> On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented
> on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers
> are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for
> example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.
>
> I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of
> course it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do
> indeed right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the
> paragraph tag level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a
> simple method of achieving the desired alignment.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> --
> Steve
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Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

Wow list! Thanks to Zoe, Bill, Yves, Art and Robert for a plethora of 
lightning-fast answers, all more or less advocating the same thing. And thanks 
also for my first mental 'Duh!' moment of the week ;-)

(My experiments with right-aligned run-in numbering paragraphs produced results 
that were, to say the least, interesting. Maybe I should stick to gardening.)
-- 
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Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Shlomo Perets]

Jim,

You wrote:

 > Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
 > but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
 > of known issues?

 > I see a list of "Top issues" at
 > http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

 > Is that all there is?

The http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html list is organized as follows: 
each version/patch is in a separate section. At the top of the section are 
fixes to issues reported in previous versions. At the bottom of the section 
are issues which were experienced in that version/patch but not beforehand. 
Thus, if there is an issue from an older version and no fixes mentioned in 
any of the later versions/patches, then that issue still exists (i.e. known 
issue). The logic behind this method of organization is to enable you to 
see if a bug fix is relevant to your version or not.

For example, at the bottom of the list, under FM5.0 (released 1994), the 
following few items are listed, among others:
* Spell checker does not locate repeated words when they are not on the 
same line, or if their capitalization varies.
* Hypertext markers and cross-references in hidden conditional table rows 
are carried over to PDF as active links.
* Cross-references in text insets are not converted to active links
These issue are equally applicable to FM5.5, FM6.0, FM7.0, FM7.1 and FM7.2 
(even though they are not listed under these versions).

This list could have been arranged differently (e.g. database-driven, with 
queries, keywords etc.), but I am afraid that it would have been too 
labor-intensive for me.

Notice also that this list does not claim to include all known issues; I am 
dependent on the assistance of Framers' reports about both bugs and fixes, 
and on my availability.


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More about Subversion [was "Re: SourceSafe??? Recommendations needed"]

[Grant Hogarth]

I've had no trouble with it, but admit that I've not needed to do
FLA/SWF storage/recovery yet.
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From: owner-framers at omsys.com [mailto:owner-fram...@omsys.com] On Behalf
Of Loren R. Elks
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:18 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: More about Subversion [was "Re: SourceSafe???
Recommendations needed"]

So Subversion can handle any file type (FLA, SWF, FM, Graphics, etc.)?


Sincerely,
Loren


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Of hedley.finger at myob.com
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:45 PM
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Subject: More about Subversion [was "Re: SourceSafe??? Recommendations
needed"]

All:

Thought you might be interested in this summary of Subversion as an
alternative to VSS.

Hedley

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Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Jon Harvey]

I went through the list and didn't find a specific bug fix I've been
waiting (and hoping) for.

FM 7.0 tends to mess up equations when they are exported or saved to
PDF. In my brief experiment with 7.2, the problem is apparently fixed.
Since so much of our documentation includes equations (lots of them), I
would like to recommend that my whole team upgrade to 7.2 to resolve
this problem. However, I need to be sure that the problem is solved.
BTW, the problem introduced itself in 7.0. 6.0 doesn't have this issue.

Has Adobe fixed the  problem with warped, stretched, smashed equations
when going to PDF? I'm using Windows XP

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:02 AM
To: Framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at omsys.com; FrameSGML at 
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Subject: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ


The list of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues -- 
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html -- has been updated significantly
in 
recent weeks.

The list covers FrameMaker versions 5.0-7.2. Many of the bugs/issues
listed 
under older versions also apply to later versions; specific items known
to 
have been fixed in later versions are marked as such.

Also updated: FrameMaker FAQ,
http://www.microtype.com/FrameMaker_FAQ.html

Please report inaccuracies or missing items. Your input and comments
will 
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Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.



This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).



Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?



Thanks.



Jim

Odd Page-down behavior

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

>Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
>get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
>page, I'm taken back to the first page.
>
>This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
>consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
>(7.2b158).
>
>Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported EPS 
graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to have a note of 
the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning off graphics display 
when you don't need it.

If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes it. 
Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type them in 
again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>This is what I like to call FrameMaker's "Scroll Back Bug". It is a known bug 
>explained by Adobe at
>
>http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm
>
>My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is Windows 
>only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript for the Mac, I 
>can write a script that will basically duplicate its functionality. For 
>details on what needs to be changed in the document, go to my Plugins page and 
>click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to, you can save your documents as 
>MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to set 
>the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around. With a 
>script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document (or book), and 
>change the Runaround property. You can also do this by changing the MIF file. 
>You can search for this
>
>
>
>and replace with
>
>
>
>The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround value is 
>set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event script can be set to 
>automatically change it to Don't Run Around whenever you import a graphic. 
>This prevents the problem from reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve

Alignment of list numbers

[Joanne Curme]

Is it better that the numbers are right-aligned? This seems more of an
accounting requirement than a design one. With left alignment, the numerals
for either the single-digit steps or the double-digit steps do not line up
with the left margin grid. If, as in my template, the  step format aligns
with the body left paragraph margins, this means either the first step or
the last step (if it's double-digit) do not left-align with the introductory
or summarizing text.

I've tried this both ways in my docs. The only benefit to right-alignment is
that the gap between the step number and the step text stays consistent when
the steps go to two digits. With left-alignment, this means the single-digit
steps have a slightly wider gap than the double-digit steps. 

Steps in the printed FM docs left-align with the body text. It appears they
use an em-space after the number, because there is a consistent amount of
white space after the number -- the first line of step 10 is more indented
than lines 1-9, but by the same amount. (FM 7.0 UG, p 509) This seems to be
the format for  steps also (p 8). Subsequent lines in steps wrap back to
the left margin so there is not an issue with aligning to a hanging indent.

Whenever there are procedures with more than 9 steps (which can't be avoided
sometimes :) ), the longer numerals simply have to move to either the left
or the right. IMHO, it's more pleasing to the eye to maintain the left
margin grid. 

Joanne 



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Rickaby
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:47 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Alignment of list numbers

On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented
on the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers
are left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for
example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'.

I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course
it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed
right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag
level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of
achieving the desired alignment.

Does anyone have any ideas?
--
Steve
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Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Thank you, Steve. This is what I needed to know.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:03 AM
To: Jim Light
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Odd Page-down behavior

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

>Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
>get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
>page, I'm taken back to the first page.
>
>This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
>consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
>(7.2b158).
>
>Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported
EPS graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to
have a note of the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning
off graphics display when you don't need it.


If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes
it. Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type
them in again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>This is what I like to call FrameMaker's "Scroll Back Bug". It is a
known bug explained by Adobe at
>
>http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm
>
>My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is
Windows only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript
for the Mac, I can write a script that will basically duplicate its
functionality. For details on what needs to be changed in the document,
go to my Plugins page and click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to,
you can save your documents as MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to
set the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around.
With a script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document
(or book), and change the Runaround property. You can also do this by
changing the MIF file. You can search for this
>
>
>
>and replace with
>
>
>
>The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround
value is set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event
script can be set to automatically change it to Don't Run Around
whenever you import a graphic. This prevents the problem from
reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve

Alignment of list numbers

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:12 -0700 24/4/06, Joanne Curme wrote:

>Is it better that the numbers are right-aligned? This seems more of an 
>accounting requirement than a design one. With left alignment, the numerals 
>for either the single-digit steps or the double-digit steps do not line up 
>with the left margin grid. If, as in my template, the  step format aligns 
>with the body left paragraph margins, this means either the first step or the 
>last step (if it's double-digit) do not left-align with the introductory or 
>summarizing text.
>
>...Whenever there are procedures with more than 9 steps (which can't be 
>avoided sometimes :) ), the longer numerals simply have to move to either the 
>left or the right. IMHO, it's more pleasing to the eye to maintain the left 
>margin grid.

I'm replying as it was me who raised this point. To be honest, I didn't 
consider issues of 'better' or 'worse', but merely reacted to the proofreader's 
slight surprise that right-alignment was not used. Proofreader works on paper, 
knows nothing about FrameMaker, or even that it was used, but does have a sound 
sense of what is 'usual'.

As far as the esthetics of the two approaches, I'm looking at a printed book 
with right-aligned list numbers, and I think I have a slight preference for 
them. I do agree, though, that where most of your lists don't go into double 
digits, the lack of left-margin alignment is... er... a lack. Seems like a case 
of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't;-)
-- 
Steve

Alignment of list numbers

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Steve:

>I'm replying as it was me who raised this point. To be honest, I 
>didn't consider issues of 'better' or 'worse', but merely reacted to 
>the proofreader's slight surprise that right-alignment was not used. 
>Proofreader works on paper, knows nothing about FrameMaker, or even 
>that it was used, but does have a sound sense of what is 'usual'.

I've heard that "usual" these days means not having a proofreader at 
all, and probably not even an editor. Don't let yours escape.


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Possibly OT: MS CMS

[Glenn Voyles]

Apologies in advance if this message is posted twice.

I wonder if any of you have used Microsoft's Content Management Server,
or have considered it when researching a CMS solution. 

Plusses? Minuses? Any info would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Glenn Voyles 

Odd Page-down behavior

[Mike Wickham]

> Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
> get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
> page, I'm taken back to the first page.

That bug is a pain. I've got Rick Quatro's RunaroundNone plugin, but the 
problem still occurs for me. (I haven't researched why-- presumably from 
graphics imported before I started using the plugin.)

However, I have found an easy workaround. Simply click anywhere in the page 
margin before you scroll. For me, at least, it completely eliminates the 
behavior in the document-- for as long as the document remains open. Once it 
becomes a habit to click before scrolling, life gets easier. :)

Mike Wickham
Pleco Press, Inc.
"Aquarium books endorsed by fish!"

Odd Page-down behavior

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Mike,

Send me a document where you still see the behavior and I will tell you want 
is wrong. RunaroundNone is guaranteed to fix the problem. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

>> Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
>> get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
>> page, I'm taken back to the first page.
>
> That bug is a pain. I've got Rick Quatro's RunaroundNone plugin, but the 
> problem still occurs for me. (I haven't researched why-- presumably from 
> graphics imported before I started using the plugin.)
>
> However, I have found an easy workaround. Simply click anywhere in the 
> page margin before you scroll. For me, at least, it completely eliminates 
> the behavior in the document-- for as long as the document remains open. 
> Once it becomes a habit to click before scrolling, life gets easier. :)
>
> Mike Wickham
> Pleco Press, Inc.
> "Aquarium books endorsed by fish!"