Re: Plugin to map styles

[Pat Christenson]

I went to CudSpan's website and couldn't find anything named Template
Mapper. Help?

Pat

On Jun 14, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Harro de Jong wrote:


Karen L. Zorn wrote :


CudSpan Tools, Template Mapper


I'll second that. It's the most capable tool I've found, allowing to 
map

not only paragraph styles but also character, table, xref, condition
tags, and master and reference pages.
It also makes reusing your mapping specification easy.

Harro de Jong
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RE: Plugin to map styles

[Harro de Jong]

Pat Christenson wrote :

 I went to CudSpan's website and couldn't find anything named Template
 Mapper. Help? 

Contact him using the address on the site. Template Mapper is payware
($200 when I bought it), he'll send a demo or an evaluation version on
request. 

Harro de Jong
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RE: Plugin to map styles

[Shlomo Perets]

I highly recommend the TemplateMapper plug-in by Chris Despopoulos (to the 
extent of providing it as part of the course materials in my FrameMaker 
Template Design seminar).


The user guide for TemplateMapper is available at 
http://www.microtype.com/training/TemplateMapper.pdf



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
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Converting to Frame from HTML

[Beck, Charles]

Hello fellow Framers,
 
A couple months ago, I believe, I submitted a question about the
WebWorks Import Utility that takes HTML files and converts them to Frame
(MIF) format. We have been using that tool fairly successfully, but we
have found that it has several fairly serious shortcomings.
Particularly, it doesn't handle tables well at all (including the
caption tagset). 
 
So I thought I would turn to this group once again and ask: Does anyone
out there know of other import utilities that convert HTML to Frame
formats? Cheap is wonderful and free is even better!   ;o)
 
Thanks,
Chuck

 

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Re: Converting to Frame from HTML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Chuck,

If the HTML is XHTML (and well-formed), you could use FrameScript 4 and 
MSXML 4.0 (free from Microsoft) to import and format the XHTML in 
FrameMaker. FrameScript is not free ($150) and a script would not be free, 
but it would allow you to customize the process to get exactly what you 
want.


If you are interested in exploring this, please send me some HTML samples, 
and how you want them to look in FrameMaker. I may be able to provide you 
with a free prototype so you can see what is possible.


If any other framers are interested in this, please contact me offlist. 
Thank you very much.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hello fellow Framers,

A couple months ago, I believe, I submitted a question about the
WebWorks Import Utility that takes HTML files and converts them to Frame
(MIF) format. We have been using that tool fairly successfully, but we
have found that it has several fairly serious shortcomings.
Particularly, it doesn't handle tables well at all (including the
caption tagset).

So I thought I would turn to this group once again and ask: Does anyone
out there know of other import utilities that convert HTML to Frame
formats? Cheap is wonderful and free is even better!   ;o)

Thanks,
Chuck



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RE: structured doc --- xml

[Mike Feimster]

Did u try rendering XML without R/W rules?
 
If, by rendering, you mean display in a browser, no. I used XSLT. If you
mean Save as XML from Frame and get valid XML, yes. I eventually added two
R/W rules to handle some graphics conversion and remove some line breaks
that Frame decided it wanted to add.
 
what resources did you use to learn to write R/W rule. As of now i just
have access to the online manuals shipped along with frame.
 
Just the Structured Applications Developers guide, but I am by no means an
expert in R/W rules. If I don't like the result, I flip through the guide
and try and figure out if a R/W rule will help. There is also a Yahoo group
dedicated to structured Frame issues
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FrameSGML/). There is some great information
there, and some very knowledgeable and helpful people.
 
Also, which book do you think is good to learn XSLT? Please guide me on
this front.
 
I have Inside XSLT by Steven Holzner. I bought it primarily because it was
the only book I found in my local bookstore that covered both XSLT and
XSL-FO. O'Reilly books have a good reputation, but I've never looked at
them. I've looked at a couple of Michael Kay's books. The Kay books are very
detailed, but might be a little intimidating to someone just starting out.
They also have the advantage (or disadvantage) of being written by the
primary XSLT spec author.
 
Mike


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From: Surbhi Singhal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:32 AM
To: Mike Feimster
Cc: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: structured doc --- xml


hi Mike
thnx for ur help. Did u try rendering XML without R/W rules?
what resources did you use to learn to write R/W rule. As of now i just have
access to the online manuals shipped along with frame. 
 
Also, which book do you think is good to learn XSLT? Please guide me on this
front.
 
Thanx
Surbhi

 
On 6/7/06, Mike Feimster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Surbhi,
 
I would try it without creating R/W rules and see how it turns out. Your
basic elements and attributes should be fine, but some of your objects
(graphics, etc.) may require them. The R/W rules section in the Structured
Applications developers guide explains the default behavior of elements,
attributes, graphics, etc. If that doesn't meet your needs, you might need
R/W rules. (In some cases, even r/w rules won't work and you'll need to use
XSLT or a custom FDK client. The last requires C programming. 
 
XML is plain text. It's like HTML with custom tags. Browsers know what to do
with HTML tags, but they don't know what to do with your custom tags. To get
bulleted lists, or other formatting, you'll probably need to use XSLT to
transform the XML into HTML/XHTML, It might be possible to do it with CSS,
depending upon the browser, and the complexity of your XML. 
 
For XML within FrameMaker, you can map your structured Frame elements to
paragraph and character styles in a FM template. Let's say each item in a
bulleted list is wrapped in a 'List' element. In your EDD, you would map the
'List' element to the 'ListBullet' paragraph style. 
 
Copying the list so others can reply as well.
 
Mike


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From: Surbhi Singhal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:17 PM 
To: Mike Feimster
Subject: Re: structured doc --- xml

 


yes. i myself made my EDD. So i wil generate the DTD from the EDD itself.
does that mean i can get away with Read/Write rules??
 
regarding formatting part, i am talking about the formatting info once the
fm doc gets converted to XML. I used lists in my edd and when i convert them
to XML, they are rendered as plain text. I need help on this part. I have
both FM 7.1 and FM 7.2 available at work.
 
Please help.
 
Regards
Surbhi

 
On 6/7/06, Mike Feimster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 

snip
i want to  convert my structured document to xml. I have with me
1) EDD
2) sample document 

are read/write rules necessary??
/snip

Maybe. Depends on how closely you're EDD and DTD match. If you generate your
DTD from your EDD, you might be able to get away with the default R/W rules.

If your DTD is different from your EDD, you will almost definitely need R/W
rules (Although, with FM 7.2, you might be able to use the built-in XSL
processor instead).

snip
Do i need XSLT for the formatting part?  if yes, can anyone suggest some 
links for the same.
/snip

Depends. Generally people use XSLT to format the XML, but you can also use
cascading style sheets. Depends what browser you are using (assuming this is
for display on the Web) and if you only want to format the text. If you want

to transform the text to html or something else, you will most likely want
to use XSLT, although I suppose you could use Perl, or something like that.

If you are talking about formatting within FrameMaker itself, then your EDD 
and possibly a FM template would contain the formatting information.

www.w3schools.com http://www.w3schools.com/  is a good site to help you
get 

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
elements), but some use hyperlink elements.

I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
use cross references.

I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
brake within a tabulator.

Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?

Thanks in advance,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Flight Support,
Air Atlanta Icelandic
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Re: TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Art Campbell]

I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
procedure.

Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

Art

On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
elements), but some use hyperlink elements.

I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
use cross references.

I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
brake within a tabulator.

Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?

Thanks in advance,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Flight Support,
Air Atlanta Icelandic
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column unbalance question

[pearlrosenberg]

Hi Framers,

FrameMaker 7.0p578

I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns no matter 
what I do.

I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I don't 
remember what I did, but when I view the Master page and select 
Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use this command only on 
Body pages. When I view the Body page, the Column Layout says one 
column (even though there are two)and the Balance Columns check box is 
not checked.

The Page Break setting for the paragraph that I want to continue under 
the first column is set to Wherever It Fits; and there is plenty of 
room for the paragraph in the first column. 


Here's how it's set up (I'm including the para tag names bec I think 
they are built-in Frame tags):
GroupTitlesIX - this is the letter at the top of a list of index 
entries – set to Keep with Next and the page break setting is Anywhere 
It Fits.

Under GroupTitlesIX are Level1IX and Level2IX entries. The pagination 
for all of them is NOT set for keep with next and keep with previous.

Can anyone tell me how to be able to make the column break where I 
want it to break?

Many thanks.
Pearl Rosenberg
TeleHealth Services
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Re: TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Art Campbell]

If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
to craft

Art

On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks to all that replied.

Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
TOCs based on temporary Section Books that just take all settings As
Is.

But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
between tabs, I could make it work.

But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
automatically break within a tab.

Thanks again,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
 propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
 procedure.

 Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
 for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

 Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
 section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
 your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
  consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
  and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
  addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
  were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
  elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
 
  I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
  not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
  involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
  not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
  use cross references.
 
  I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
  except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
  anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
  we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
  brake within a tabulator.
 
  Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
  Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
  Supervisor Publishing,
  Flight Support,
  Air Atlanta Icelandic
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Help

[Morgan Morrissette]

Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I am new 
to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am having difficulty 
with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks to de-expand (I have way 
too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot get the numbering to work 
properly; my appendices are so not working correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone 
have suggestions for me?


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RE: column unbalance question

[Combs, Richard]

Pearl Rosenberg wrote: 

 I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns 
 no matter what I do.
 
 I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I 
 don't remember what I did, but when I view the Master page 
 and select Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use 
 this command only on Body pages. When I view the Body page, 
 the Column Layout says one column (even though there are 
 two)and the Balance Columns check box is not checked.

Go to the master page(s) and select the text frame (Ctrl-click it). Then
select Graphics  Object Properties (or right-click and select Object
Properties). In the Customize Text Frame dialog, make sure the 2-column
layout is set up correctly and Balance Columns is unchecked. It sounds
like your body pages may have multiple text frames on top of each other
or otherwise don't match/use the correct master page(s). You may want to
review the manual/help topics on master page usage, reapply master
pages, and delete any text frames that shouldn't be there. 

HTH!
Richard


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Any problems with ATI Radeon 9250 cards?

[Art Campbell]

I'm working on a new system, an HP that has one of these cards installed.

Every so often, I get a blackout on the primary monitor of a
two-monitor set up.
It was originally limited to FM and shows up when scrolling through
the file, as if the video buffer was full or overflowed. I did a
project in PowerPoint last week, and got the same problem, but so far
those are the only two aps that generate this flakiness.

Doesn't seem to be monitor-related; I've swapped three monitors in and
out of the
dual monitor set up.

Latest drivers, XP SP2 with all patches.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Art

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RE: column unbalance question

[Peter Gold]

Pearl Rosenberg wrote:


 I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns
 no matter what I do.

 I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I
 don't remember what I did, but when I view the Master page
 and select Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use
 this command only on Body pages. When I view the Body page,
 the Column Layout says one column (even though there are
 two)and the Balance Columns check box is not checked.


If there's a graphic or a background text frame on the master page, 
its runaround properties may be affecting the body page text.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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RE: Help

[Spreadbury, David]

Saraah, as well as many others, offer very good FrameMaker training. For
the short-of-funds user, there is an online course at
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2372/frame_index.html.


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Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I
am new to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am
having difficulty with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks
to de-expand (I have way too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot
get the numbering to work properly; my appendices are so not working
correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone have suggestions for me?


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In this position, you will research, develop, write, and revise hardware
documentation for Nanometrics Wafer Metrology products.  Additionally,
you will collaborate with subject-matter experts, product managers, QA,
product support, and technical publications staff to produce on-time,
accurate procedures and manuals.   You will work with other members of
the publications team to develop and maintain procedures for both
internal processes and Field Engineering.  The candidate must be able to
manage multiple projects and fluctuating deadlines. 

Successful candidates will be able to demonstrate proficiency with Adobe
FrameMaker and Adobe Acrobat. Qualified candidates will possess 2+
years' experience documenting hardware, and have an associates or
bachelor's degree, Technical Writing Certificate or equivalent
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The ideal candidate possesses integrity, a high energy drive, a balanced
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Re: big space

[Rick Quatro]

John,

For an M-space, type Esc SPACE m.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com




Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 


The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called big-space and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

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RE: big space

[Zoe Lawson]

How about using Ctrl+Alt+Space? I think two of those together equals an
em-space, kinda.

Or two non-breaking spaces next to each other.

Are you using a regularly spaced font like courier (blanking on the real
name)? It's a lot easier to see spaces then.

HTH,

Zoe

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Subject: big space


Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal space. The
context is a commnd line interface command line and both I and the
developers want to make the required spaces in the command line a little
wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style called
big-space and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11 pt for a
normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe called
M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I know I
don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart spaces, so
putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Re: big space

[John Posada]

perfect

--- Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John,
 
 For an M-space, type Esc SPACE m.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
 
 
 
  Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
  space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and
 both I
  and the developers want to make the required spaces in the
 command
  line a little wider so they aren't missed. 
  
  The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
  called big-space and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the
 11
  pt for a normnal space.
  
  My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
  called M-space?
  
  Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One
 way I
  know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use
 smart
  spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.
  
  John Posada
  Senior Technical Writer
  
  So long and thanks for all the fish.
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RE: big space

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Esc, Space, m
Esc, Space, n
Esc, Space, t
Ctrl+Space

Em space, En space and Thin space.

The last is a non-breaking space.

One of the combinations should work for you and leaves it open to other things 
you may want to do as well.

Hope that helps,

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:32 PM
To: List, Framers
Subject: big space

Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called big-space and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

So long and thanks for all the fish.
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RE: big space

[Owen, Clint]

John,

How about a variable? You can put as many spaces as you want in a variable
definition, even with smart spaces turned on.

Clint Owen

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Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called big-space and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

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Training in FrameMaker (Was Help)

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Online training:

www.scriptorium.com
www.pubsnet.com

Classroom (yours or theirs)
Above, plus:
www.travelthepath.com
www.front-runner.com

That should get you started in the search.

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Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I am new 
to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am having difficulty 
with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks to de-expand (I have way 
too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot get the numbering to work 
properly; my appendices are so not working correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone 
have suggestions for me?


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NxtPhase TD Corp
 
Phone:  204-477-0591 Ext 223
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Re: Plugin to map styles

[Yves Barbion]

Right, TemplateMapper is the tool par excellence for this type of work.

Very impressive and I demonstrate it in my Template Design FrameMaker
classes as well.



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Somewhat OT: MS Word book?

[John Sgammato]

I need to help manage a whole bunch of documents that will come from a
variety of people and offices who will be using MS Word. I will probably
have to use MS Word as well, but I may have some more flexibility on my
end. 
I will have to take these Word docs, edit them and impose some sort of
editorial orthodoxy upon them, and then extract some text from some,
generate reports based on information in some, and archive all of them. 
I cannot control much about how the docs are created, but I can request
the creator use a template that I provide, and I can be pretty certain
they will be using MS Word 2003 or later. 

I am seeking a book to guide me through these and associated needs. I do
not need (or really desire) a bible with how to do everything Word is
capable of - I am really just interested in document exchange and
controlling the proliferation of styles. Does anyone here know of such a
book?

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc
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Problems importing EMF files on Frame 7.2p158

[Rhonda Fitzgerald]

Hi,

 

We are running Frame 7.2p158 and when we import an EMF file (by
reference), Frame is shrinking the file to about 75% of its original
size.  This patch specifically states it fixes issues with EMF, but this
does not seem to be the case.  It was also happening at Frame 7.2p144,
so I installed the latest patch, but its still not working properly.
This was not happening in Frame 7.1.  

 

Is anyone else having this problem - any ideas on how to resolve this?


Thanks,

Rhonda Fitzgerald

Progress Software

 

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Re: TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I agree that this can easily be done in FrameScript (I think!), but
I have only recently had my company buy the thing and I haven't had
the time to study it much -- adapted a couple of scripts to my needs,
though.

In theory, I think the script has to address the element, seek
information about tabs and if the text after, say tab 1 is longer than
tab 2 minus tab 1 minus a couple of millimeters, then add a line brake
and a tab. Something like that. Or to set some information about this
in a reference page, somewhat like in TOC breaker, and have the script
read the information from there. I just don't know enough yet... :-(

Bodvar

On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
to craft

Art

On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks to all that replied.

 Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
 TOCs based on temporary Section Books that just take all settings As
 Is.

 But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
 I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
 towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
 between tabs, I could make it work.

 But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
 adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
 automatically break within a tab.

 Thanks again,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


 On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
  propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
  procedure.
 
  Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
  for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.
 
  Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
  section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
  your line break tools and standards would continue to work.
 
  Art
 
  On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
   consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
   and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
   addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
   were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
   elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
  
   I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
   not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
   involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
   not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
   use cross references.
  
   I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
   except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
   anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
   we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
   brake within a tabulator.
  
   Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
   Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
  
   Thanks in advance,
  
   Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
   Supervisor Publishing,
   Flight Support,
   Air Atlanta Icelandic
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Re: TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Klaus Mueller]

Bodvar,

 I agree that this can easily be done in FrameScript

I did implement such a line break fix in the FrameScript
DocTOC: http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

It does fix the line breaks of book TOCs as well as of
the chapter TOCs (that are inserted by the script).
It does not insert a soft return 'XX characters from
the start of a TOC line' nor does it re/store any specified
line break position - it just breaks a line at a specified
*right* margin (e.g. 5.0mm) after the next available space
char.
It does also fix that other known issues (pagination alone
at the beginning of a line etc.).

Unfortunately, the script does only support paragraph
formats for the creation of the chapter TOCs, but not
elements. That might be enhanced in the near future.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Date: 14.06.2006 23:39
 I agree that this can easily be done in FrameScript (I think!), but
 I have only recently had my company buy the thing and I haven't had
 the time to study it much -- adapted a couple of scripts to my needs,
 though.
 
 In theory, I think the script has to address the element, seek
 information about tabs and if the text after, say tab 1 is longer than
 tab 2 minus tab 1 minus a couple of millimeters, then add a line brake
 and a tab. Something like that. Or to set some information about this
 in a reference page, somewhat like in TOC breaker, and have the script
 read the information from there. I just don't know enough yet... :-(
 
 Bodvar
 
 On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
 soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
 to craft

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks to all that replied.

 Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
 TOCs based on temporary Section Books that just take all settings As
 Is.

 But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
 I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
 towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
 between tabs, I could make it work.

 But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
 adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
 automatically break within a tab.

 Thanks again,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


 On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
 propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
 procedure.

 Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
 for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

 Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
 section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
 your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
 consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
 and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
 addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
 were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
 elements), but some use hyperlink elements.

 I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
 not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
 involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
 not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
 use cross references.

 I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
 except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
 anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
 we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
 brake within a tabulator.

 Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
 Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?

 Thanks in advance,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
 Supervisor Publishing,
 Flight Support,
 Air Atlanta Icelandic
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Re: Need semicolon-delimited list from FM table column

[rebecca officer]

There are probably more automated ways to do this, but this works:

1. select your column and copy it into a blank FM document to give you a 
1-column table
2. convert the table to paragraphs
3. select your text, search for the paragraph mark (\p), and replace them all 
with a semicolon.

Cheers, Rebecca

 FIONA HANINGTON [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/06/06 10:58:49 
Hi 

I have a table in FM, one column of which contains Bug IDs (this is a release 
notes document). I need to be able to get the list of Bugs IDs in a 
semicolon-delimited list (plain text) that I can feed into our bug-tracking 
tool.

Can anyone tell me the best way to do this? (Preferably a way that doesn't 
require me to manually insert semicolons :-)

Please copy me directly on your reply: 
fionahanington at shaw dot ca

Thanks in advance!
Fiona

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structured doc ---> xml

[Surbhi Singhal]

hi Mike
thnx for ur help. Did u try rendering XML without R/W rules?
what resources did you use to learn to write R/W rule. As of now i just have
access to the online manuals shipped along with frame.

Also, which book do you think is good to learn XSLT? Please guide me on this
front.

Thanx
Surbhi


On 6/7/06, Mike Feimster  wrote:
>
>  Surbhi,
>
> I would try it without creating R/W rules and see how it turns out. Your
> basic elements and attributes should be fine, but some of your objects
> (graphics, etc.) may require them. The R/W rules section in the Structured
> Applications developers guide explains the default behavior of elements,
> attributes, graphics, etc. If that doesn't meet your needs, you might need
> R/W rules. (In some cases, even r/w rules won't work and you'll need to use
> XSLT or a custom FDK client. The last requires C programming.
>
> XML is plain text. It's like HTML with custom tags. Browsers know what to
> do with HTML tags, but they don't know what to do with your custom tags. To
> get bulleted lists, or other formatting, you'll probably need to use XSLT to
> transform the XML into HTML/XHTML, It might be possible to do it with CSS,
> depending upon the browser, and the complexity of your XML.
>
> For XML within FrameMaker, you can map your structured Frame elements to
> paragraph and character styles in a FM template. Let's say each item in a
> bulleted list is wrapped in a 'List' element. In your EDD, you would map the
> 'List' element to the 'ListBullet' paragraph style.
>
> Copying the list so others can reply as well.
>
> Mike
>
>  --
> *From:* Surbhi Singhal [mailto:surbhee at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:17 PM
> *To:* Mike Feimster
> *Subject:* Re: structured doc ---> xml
>
>
>
>  yes. i myself made my EDD. So i wil generate the DTD from the EDD itself.
> does that mean i can get away with Read/Write rules??
>
> regarding formatting part, i am talking about the formatting info once the
> fm doc gets converted to XML. I used lists in my edd and when i convert them
> to XML, they are rendered as plain text. I need help on this part. I have
> both FM 7.1 and FM 7.2 available at work.
>
> Please help.
>
> Regards
> Surbhi
>
>
> On 6/7/06, Mike Feimster  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > i want to  convert my structured document to xml. I have with me
> > 1) EDD
> > 2) sample document
> >
> > are read/write rules necessary??
> > 
> >
> > Maybe. Depends on how closely you're EDD and DTD match. If you generate
> > your
> > DTD from your EDD, you might be able to get away with the default R/W
> > rules.
> > If your DTD is different from your EDD, you will almost definitely need
> > R/W
> > rules (Although, with FM 7.2, you might be able to use the built-in XSL
> > processor instead).
> >
> > 
> > Do i need XSLT for the formatting part?  if yes, can anyone suggest some
> >
> > links for the same.
> > 
> >
> > Depends. Generally people use XSLT to format the XML, but you can also
> > use
> > cascading style sheets. Depends what browser you are using (assuming
> > this is
> > for display on the Web) and if you only want to format the text. If you
> > want
> > to "transform" the text to html or something else, you will most likely
> > want
> > to use XSLT, although I suppose you could use Perl, or something like
> > that.
> >
> > If you are talking about formatting within FrameMaker itself, then your
> > EDD
> > and possibly a FM template would contain the formatting information.
> >
> > www.w3schools.com is a good site to help you get started with XSLT.
> >
> > http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/index.html has some great information, but
> > it
> > helps to know a little XSL before jumping in.
> >
> > Several list members also offer XSL training. Personally, I bought a
> > book
> > and worked my way through it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Plugin to map styles

[Harro de Jong]

Karen L. Zorn wrote :

> CudSpan Tools, Template Mapper

I'll second that. It's the most capable tool I've found, allowing to map
not only paragraph styles but also character, table, xref, condition
tags, and master and reference pages. 
It also makes reusing your mapping specification easy. 

Harro de Jong

Plugin to map styles

[Pat Christenson]

I went to CudSpan's website and couldn't find anything named Template
Mapper. Help?

Pat

On Jun 14, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Harro de Jong wrote:

> Karen L. Zorn wrote :
>
>> CudSpan Tools, Template Mapper
>
> I'll second that. It's the most capable tool I've found, allowing to 
> map
> not only paragraph styles but also character, table, xref, condition
> tags, and master and reference pages.
> It also makes reusing your mapping specification easy.
>
> Harro de Jong
> ___

Plugin to map styles

[Harro de Jong]

Pat Christenson wrote :

> I went to CudSpan's website and couldn't find anything named Template
> Mapper. Help? 

Contact him using the address on the site. Template Mapper is payware
($200 when I bought it), he'll send a demo or an evaluation version on
request. 

Harro de Jong

Plugin to map styles

[Shlomo Perets]

I highly recommend the TemplateMapper plug-in by Chris Despopoulos (to the 
extent of providing it as part of the course materials in my FrameMaker 
Template Design seminar).

The user guide for TemplateMapper is available at 
http://www.microtype.com/training/TemplateMapper.pdf


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Converting to Frame from HTML

[Beck, Charles]

Hello fellow Framers,

A couple months ago, I believe, I submitted a question about the
WebWorks Import Utility that takes HTML files and converts them to Frame
(MIF) format. We have been using that tool fairly successfully, but we
have found that it has several fairly serious shortcomings.
Particularly, it doesn't handle tables well at all (including the
 tagset). 

So I thought I would turn to this group once again and ask: Does anyone
out there know of other import utilities that convert HTML to Frame
formats? Cheap is wonderful and free is even better!   ;o)

Thanks,
Chuck



Chuck Beck | Sr. Information Developer | Infor | office: 614-523-7302 |
Charles.Beck at infor.com 

Converting to Frame from HTML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Chuck,

If the HTML is XHTML (and well-formed), you could use FrameScript 4 and 
MSXML 4.0 (free from Microsoft) to import and format the XHTML in 
FrameMaker. FrameScript is not free ($150) and a script would not be free, 
but it would allow you to customize the process to get exactly what you 
want.

If you are interested in exploring this, please send me some HTML samples, 
and how you want them to look in FrameMaker. I may be able to provide you 
with a free prototype so you can see what is possible.

If any other framers are interested in this, please contact me offlist. 
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hello fellow Framers,

A couple months ago, I believe, I submitted a question about the
WebWorks Import Utility that takes HTML files and converts them to Frame
(MIF) format. We have been using that tool fairly successfully, but we
have found that it has several fairly serious shortcomings.
Particularly, it doesn't handle tables well at all (including the
 tagset).

So I thought I would turn to this group once again and ask: Does anyone
out there know of other import utilities that convert HTML to Frame
formats? Cheap is wonderful and free is even better!   ;o)

Thanks,
Chuck



Chuck Beck | Sr. Information Developer | Infor | office: 614-523-7302 |
Charles.Beck at infor.com

OT: Related to XML/XSLT questions and FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Hi all:

There's been a lot of questions about transforms, XSL, XML and FrameMaker on 
the lists in the last while and I thought that there must be something that is 
going to help walk through the alphabet soup of X[stuff] and make things 
easier. I'm waiting on my copy (in the next week or so I hope), so I don't know 
if this is going to be helpful, but if you go to:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471791199

You'll find info on a new book that covers topics such as:

* How to share XML data with both internal and external users 
* Ways to style XML so that it can be used for browser presentation 
* Techniques for converting XML content online using XSLT
* How to search, merge, and transform XML documents 
* How to create PDF output and produce RSS feeds


There's more to the book, but the Amazon site is likely the best bet to get 
more detailed info.

Bernard

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
elements), but some use hyperlink elements.

I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
use cross references.

I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
brake within a tabulator.

Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?

Thanks in advance,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Flight Support,
Air Atlanta Icelandic

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Art Campbell]

I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
procedure.

Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

Art

On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
> consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
> and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
> addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
> were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
> elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
>
> I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
> not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
> involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
> not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
> use cross references.
>
> I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
> except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
> anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
> we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
> brake within a tabulator.
>
> Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
> Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> Supervisor Publishing,
> Flight Support,
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
> ___
>
>
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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

column unbalance question

[pearlrosenb...@nc.rr.com]

Hi Framers,

FrameMaker 7.0p578

I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns no matter 
what I do.

I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I don't 
remember what I did, but when I view the Master page and select 
Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use this command only on 
Body pages. When I view the Body page, the Column Layout says one 
column (even though there are two)and the Balance Columns check box is 
not checked.

The Page Break setting for the paragraph that I want to continue under 
the first column is set to Wherever It Fits; and there is plenty of 
room for the paragraph in the first column. 


Here's how it's set up (I'm including the para tag names bec I think 
they are built-in Frame tags):
GroupTitlesIX - this is the letter at the top of a list of index 
entries ? set to Keep with Next and the page break setting is Anywhere 
It Fits.

Under GroupTitlesIX are Level1IX and Level2IX entries. The pagination 
for all of them is NOT set for keep with next and keep with previous.

Can anyone tell me how to be able to make the column break where I 
want it to break?

Many thanks.
Pearl Rosenberg
TeleHealth Services

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks to all that replied.

Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
TOCs based on "temporary" Section Books that just take all settings As
Is.

But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
between tabs, I could make it work.

But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
automatically break within a tab.

Thanks again,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
> propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
> procedure.
>
> Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
> for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.
>
> Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
> section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
> your line break tools and standards would continue to work.
>
> Art
>
> On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> > I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
> > consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
> > and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
> > addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
> > were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
> > elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
> >
> > I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
> > not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
> > involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
> > not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
> > use cross references.
> >
> > I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
> > except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
> > anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
> > we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
> > brake within a tabulator.
> >
> > Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
> > Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> > Supervisor Publishing,
> > Flight Support,
> > Air Atlanta Icelandic
> > ___
> >
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com.
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
> >
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at 
> gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Art Campbell]

If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
to craft

Art

On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> Thanks to all that replied.
>
> Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
> TOCs based on "temporary" Section Books that just take all settings As
> Is.
>
> But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
> I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
> towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
> between tabs, I could make it work.
>
> But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
> adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
> automatically break within a tab.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>
>
> On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
> > I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
> > propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
> > procedure.
> >
> > Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
> > for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.
> >
> > Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
> > section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
> > your line break tools and standards would continue to work.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> > > I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
> > > consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
> > > and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
> > > addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
> > > were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
> > > elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
> > >
> > > I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
> > > not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
> > > involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
> > > not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
> > > use cross references.
> > >
> > > I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
> > > except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
> > > anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
> > > we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
> > > brake within a tabulator.
> > >
> > > Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
> > > Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> > > Supervisor Publishing,
> > > Flight Support,
> > > Air Atlanta Icelandic
> > > ___
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Art Campbell art.campbell at 
> > gmail.com
> >   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> >  No disclaimers apply.
> >  DoD 358
> >
> ___
>
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Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Help

[Morgan Morrissette]

Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I am new 
to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am having difficulty 
with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks to de-expand (I have way 
too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot get the numbering to work 
properly; my appendices are so not working correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone 
have suggestions for me?


Morgan Morrissette
Office Administrator
NxtPhase T Corp

Phone:  204-477-0591 Ext 223
Fax:   204-478-1697

Email:   mmorrissette at nxtphase.com  
Website:  www.nxtphase.com  

column unbalance question

[Combs, Richard]

Pearl Rosenberg wrote: 

> I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns 
> no matter what I do.
> 
> I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I 
> don't remember what I did, but when I view the Master page 
> and select Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use 
> this command only on Body pages. When I view the Body page, 
> the Column Layout says one column (even though there are 
> two)and the Balance Columns check box is not checked.

Go to the master page(s) and select the text frame (Ctrl-click it). Then
select Graphics > Object Properties (or right-click and select Object
Properties). In the Customize Text Frame dialog, make sure the 2-column
layout is set up correctly and Balance Columns is unchecked. It sounds
like your body pages may have multiple text frames on top of each other
or otherwise don't match/use the correct master page(s). You may want to
review the manual/help topics on master page usage, reapply master
pages, and delete any text frames that shouldn't be there. 

HTH!
Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Any problems with ATI Radeon 9250 cards?

[Art Campbell]

I'm working on a new system, an HP that has one of these cards installed.

Every so often, I get a blackout on the primary monitor of a
two-monitor set up.
It was originally limited to FM and shows up when scrolling through
the file, as if the video buffer was full or overflowed. I did a
project in PowerPoint last week, and got the same problem, but so far
those are the only two aps that generate this flakiness.

Doesn't seem to be monitor-related; I've swapped three monitors in and
out of the
dual monitor set up.

Latest drivers, XP SP2 with all patches.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Art

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

column unbalance question

[Peter Gold]

Pearl Rosenberg wrote:

>  I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns
>  no matter what I do.
>
>  I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I
>  don't remember what I did, but when I view the Master page
>  and select Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use
>  this command only on Body pages. When I view the Body page,
>  the Column Layout says one column (even though there are
>  two)and the Balance Columns check box is not checked.

If there's a graphic or a background text frame on the master page, 
its runaround properties may be affecting the body page text.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Adobe Certified FrameMaker Trainer

[David Creamer]

> Two questions,
>  
> 1. How do you become an Adobe Certified FrameMaker Trainer?
>  
> 2. For those of you who are, has it helped you when seeking a job as a
> Tech Writer?

Are you talking about an Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) or an actual trainer?

If ACE, you need to take an computer-based test.


To be an Adobe-authorized trainer, you need to pass other requirements.


I don't think being a trainer will necessarily be a help for a writing job,
but the ACE can--if the interviewer has even heard of ACE. However, some
people might be impressed enough just by the fact you are "officially"
certified. Also, as an ACE, you can train for an Adobe-certified company.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web
Publishing-related software
Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)

Help

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Morgan Morrissette wrote:
> Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?

Hi Morgan,

There are several companies, including mine, that offer FrameMaker
training. We have public, private, classroom, and web-based training.
You can also purchase the workbooks as stand-alone documents and go
through them on your own.

For more information about Scriptorium's classes, please visit our web site:

http://www.scriptorium.com/training/

And feel free to ask me directly if you have any questions.

Regards,

Sarah O'Keefe
-- 
###
Sarah O'Keefe   okeefe at scriptorium.com
Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc.   http://www.scriptorium.com
Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/

Help

[Spreadbury, David]

Saraah, as well as many others, offer very good FrameMaker training. For
the short-of-funds user, there is an online course at
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2372/frame_index.html.


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m] On Behalf Of Morgan Morrissette
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:25 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Help


Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I
am new to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am
having difficulty with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks
to de-expand (I have way too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot
get the numbering to work properly; my appendices are so not working
correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone have suggestions for me?


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big space

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called "big-space" and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

big space

[John Posada]

perfect

--- Rick Quatro  wrote:

> John,
> 
> For an M-space, type Esc SPACE m.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
> > space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and
> both I
> > and the developers want to make the required spaces in the
> command
> > line a little wider so they aren't missed. 
> > 
> > The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
> > called "big-space" and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the
> 11
> > pt for a normnal space.
> > 
> > My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
> > called M-space?
> > 
> > Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One
> way I
> > know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use
> smart
> > spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.
> > 
> > John Posada
> > Senior Technical Writer
> > 
> > "So long and thanks for all the fish."
> > ___
> 
> 


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

column unbalance question - RESOLVED

[pearlrosenb...@nc.rr.com]

Thank you, Richard. I didn't know about selecting the text frame on 
the master pg and setting the column balance in Graphics > Object 
Properties. That fixed it for me.

- Original Message -
From: "Combs, Richard" 
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:40 am
Subject: RE: column unbalance question
To: pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com

> Pearl Rosenberg wrote: 
> 
> > I have a 2-column index and it wants to balance the columns 
> > no matter what I do.
> > 
> > I created the Master page for the index a long time ago and I 
> > don't remember what I did, but when I view the Master page 
> > and select Format/Page Layout/Column, FM tells me I can use 
> > this command only on Body pages. When I view the Body page, 
> > the Column Layout says one column (even though there are 
> > two)and the Balance Columns check box is not checked.
> 
> Go to the master page(s) and select the text frame (Ctrl-click 
> it). Then
> select Graphics > Object Properties (or right-click and select Object
> Properties). In the Customize Text Frame dialog, make sure the 2-
> columnlayout is set up correctly and Balance Columns is unchecked. 
> It sounds
> like your body pages may have multiple text frames on top of each 
> otheror otherwise don't match/use the correct master page(s). You 
> may want to
> review the manual/help topics on master page usage, reapply master
> pages, and delete any text frames that shouldn't be there. 
> 
> HTH!
> Richard
> 
> 
> --
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

big space

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Esc, Space, m
Esc, Space, n
Esc, Space, t
Ctrl+Space

Em space, En space and Thin space.

The last is a non-breaking space.

One of the combinations should work for you and leaves it open to other things 
you may want to do as well.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:32 PM
To: List, Framers
Subject: big space

Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called "big-space" and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."
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big space

[Owen, Clint]

John,

How about a variable? You can put as many spaces as you want in a variable
definition, even with smart spaces turned on.

Clint Owen

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om]On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:32 AM
To: List, Framers
Subject: big space


Hi, guys...I'm in FM7 and I need to include a wider than normal
space. The context is a commnd line interface command line and both I
and the developers want to make the required spaces in the command
line a little wider so they aren't missed. 

The quick kludge I came up with was to create a character style
called "big-space" and make it the equiv of 18 pt, opposed to the 11
pt for a normnal space.

My first choise wouldbe to have a space equiv to an M-dash, maybe
called M-space?

Is there such as puppy?  How have you guys addressed this? One way I
know I don't want to do it is to change a color. Also, we use smart
spaces, so putting two spaces together is not an option.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

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Training in FrameMaker (Was "Help")

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Online training:

www.scriptorium.com
www.pubsnet.com

Classroom (yours or theirs)
Above, plus:
www.travelthepath.com
www.front-runner.com

That should get you started in the search.

Bernard



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From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Morgan Morrissette
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:25 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Help


Does anyone know of some really good training courses for Framemaker?  I am new 
to it and learned it in bits and pieces - consequently I am having difficulty 
with our publications.  ie I cannot get the bookmarks to de-expand (I have way 
too many sub-categories showing up); I cannot get the numbering to work 
properly; my appendices are so not working correctly; etc etc.  Does anyone 
have suggestions for me?


Morgan Morrissette
Office Administrator
NxtPhase T Corp

Phone:  204-477-0591 Ext 223
Fax:   204-478-1697

Email:   mmorrissette at nxtphase.com  
Website:  www.nxtphase.com  

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Somewhat OT: MS Word book?

[John Sgammato]

I need to help manage a whole bunch of documents that will come from a
variety of people and offices who will be using MS Word. I will probably
have to use MS Word as well, but I may have some more flexibility on my
end. 
I will have to take these Word docs, edit them and impose some sort of
editorial orthodoxy upon them, and then extract some text from some,
generate reports based on information in some, and archive all of them. 
I cannot control much about how the docs are created, but I can request
the creator use a template that I provide, and I can be pretty certain
they will be using MS Word 2003 or later. 

I am seeking a book to guide me through these and associated needs. I do
not need (or really desire) a bible with how to do everything Word is
capable of - I am really just interested in document exchange and
controlling the proliferation of styles. Does anyone here know of such a
book?

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I agree that this can "easily" be done in FrameScript (I think!), but
I have only recently had my company buy the thing and I haven't had
the time to study it much -- adapted a couple of scripts to my needs,
though.

In theory, I think the script has to address the element, seek
information about tabs and if the text after, say tab 1 is longer than
tab 2 minus tab 1 minus a couple of millimeters, then add a line brake
and a tab. Something like that. Or to set some information about this
in a reference page, somewhat like in TOC breaker, and have the script
read the information from there. I just don't know enough yet... :-(

Bodvar

On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
> If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
> soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
> to craft
>
> Art
>
> On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> > Thanks to all that replied.
> >
> > Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
> > TOCs based on "temporary" Section Books that just take all settings As
> > Is.
> >
> > But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
> > I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
> > towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
> > between tabs, I could make it work.
> >
> > But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
> > adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
> > automatically break within a tab.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
> > > I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
> > > propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
> > > procedure.
> > >
> > > Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
> > > for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.
> > >
> > > Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
> > > section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
> > > your line break tools and standards would continue to work.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> > > > I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
> > > > consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
> > > > and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
> > > > addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
> > > > were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
> > > > elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
> > > >
> > > > I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
> > > > not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
> > > > involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
> > > > not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
> > > > use cross references.
> > > >
> > > > I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
> > > > except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
> > > > anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
> > > > we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
> > > > brake within a tabulator.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
> > > > Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> > > > Supervisor Publishing,
> > > > Flight Support,
> > > > Air Atlanta Icelandic
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