Framers needed for typesetting project!

[Celine Buerkli]

Dear Framers -

For our on-site typesetting project in the Inland Empire we need help from a 
really good, experienced book typesetter.  Ideally, someone who could jump in 
a plane and come out here on a very immediate basis.  

So if you are at all interested or know of anyone that fits these requirements, 
please contact me for more information on the project, payment, etc.

Thank you !

Celine
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RE: Changing colors for table rules

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Hi Scott,
You need to edit the ruling styles from the Custom Ruling and Shading menu
(TableCustom Ruling and Shading).
Choose the rule you wish to modify and click the Edit Ruling Style button.
You can edit all the line parameters, including color, from there. You can
even create new rule styles.

Berny Gagné
Lead Technical Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems
Bolton, Ontario, Canada  


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Subject: Changing colors for table rules

Frame experts:
Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly in a
four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered anything I
can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Changing colors for table rules

[Scott White]

Duh, there it was right in front of me. I have looked for that it seems
since day one.
Next stop - Optometrist.
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 From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:18:50 -0400
 To: 'Scott White' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Framers framers@FrameUsers.com
 Subject: RE: Changing colors for table rules
 
 Hi Scott,
 You need to edit the ruling styles from the Custom Ruling and Shading menu
 (TableCustom Ruling and Shading).
 Choose the rule you wish to modify and click the Edit Ruling Style button.
 You can edit all the line parameters, including color, from there. You can
 even create new rule styles.
 
 Berny Gagné
 Lead Technical Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada
 
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Scott White
 Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 AM
 To: Framers
 Subject: Changing colors for table rules
 
 Frame experts:
 Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
 borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly in a
 four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered anything I
 can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 --
 Scott White
 Media Production Manager
 Implentation Coordinator
 AlaMark Technologies
 210-704-8239
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Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Murray Moore]

I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the phantom 
entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.

In my index I have made the offending index entries conditional and hidden them.

/\/\
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Re: Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Art Campbell]

Why don't you think about getting IXGen from fsa.com and using it to
open all the markers. Then delete the problems...
http://www.fsatools.com/

Just in passing, it's a great indexing tool too, but that one
particular function would be useful to you in solving the problem.

Art



On 8/3/06, Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the phantom 
entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.

In my index I have made the offending index entries conditional and hidden them.





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FM 7.2, Tables, and Find

[Mary Holder]

Hello Framers,
 
I recently upgraded to FM 7.2b144 (I'm running Windows XP). Yesterday I was
working in a document that is a single table. In using the Find feature to
locate various text strings, sometimes FM would highlight the exact text,
and sometimes it would stop in a cell above the cell containing the text.
 
Has anyone else seen this behavior and is a fix available? I looked on
adobe.com but didn't see anything on the downloads page.
 
Thanks for any information on this issue.
 
Mary Holder
The Roving TechWriter
www.therovingtechwriter.com http://www.therovingtechwriter.com/ 
(256) 682-3892
 
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RE: Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Combs, Richard]

Murray Moore wrote: 
 
 I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source 
 of the phantom entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.
 
 In my index I have made the offending index entries 
 conditional and hidden them.

I didn't really understand the initial problem, but whatever it was,
this isn't a solution -- or even an acceptable workaround. An index is a
generated file. When you update your book, your conditionalized entries
will be deleted and replaced with new, unconditionalized entries. 

To modify your index, you need to modify the index markers from which
it's generated, not the generated output. I don't recall why you weren't
able to find or edit the problematic marker text, but Art's suggestion
of getting IXGen is a good one. Use it to generate an editable marker
list, find and fix your problem entries in that list, and then reapply
the list to your doc, replacing all the existing markers. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Indexing Multiple Books?

[Patrick Nolan]

Art, this is great information.

I have a question.

Where do I set the book title prefix for the index entries? In the index
marker itself inside the books, or would I set it on the reference page
so when the index is generated, we end up with book_name - page#
(Admin - 35).

Thanks,

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Patrick Nolan
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

Yes and no. Each book file is just a container for the chapters; it
doesn't actually change them. ;- )

You want to be sure to mimic the chapter-page numbering style of the
source book in the meta-book. Chapter 1 in Admin can still carry the
label Chapter 1and the following chapters will still take their
incremental numbering increase from it. And the page numbering setup
should stay the same. Only difference is you restart book-level
numbering with Chapter 1 from the Installation Guide and so on
throughout the metabook

This also makes it easier to set the book label prefix -- unless you're
already using it, you can pick up the Volume numbering $volnum
variable and set it to text using the string you decide to use for each
book's prefix.

Just as a BTW, the chapter numbering in the original books will still be
valid when you operate from the original book file. You're not changing
anything in THAT book; you're setting all the new properties in an
entirely separate book file that just happens to contain the same
chapters. The chapter files don't know about a particlar book's settings
if you work on them outside that book.

Art

On 8/1/06, Patrick Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Art,

 What I don't understand is, if I create a new book and add all the 
 indexable chapters, wont these chapters lose their pagination? I.e., 
 wouldn't they get a new pagination from the new book?

 -Patrick

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:33 AM
 To: Patrick Nolan
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

 I think it's in the manual somewhere, but all you need to do is create

 a meta-book that contains all the indexable chapters from your doc set

 member books. Nesting books isn't supported. Only extra step is when 
 you generate the index, you'll probably need to include a prefix to ID

 the book before the page citation -- Admin 301, Install 3-14, etc.

 The metabook is also useful for updating / synching all formats and 
 applying any other changes you want to ripple into multiple books.

 Art

 snip
  In other words, they are asking for a master, multi-volume index for

  all the books.


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Re: FM 7.2, Tables, and Find

[Shlomo Perets]

Mary,

You wrote:


I recently upgraded to FM 7.2b144 (I'm running Windows XP). Yesterday I was
working in a document that is a single table. In using the Find feature to
locate various text strings, sometimes FM would highlight the exact text,
and sometimes it would stop in a cell above the cell containing the text.

Has anyone else seen this behavior and is a fix available? I looked on
adobe.com but didn't see anything on the downloads page.



If the FrameMaker file originated in Microsoft Word, try saving as MIF; 
open the MIF file, and save again as .fm.

Alternatively, try using Find backwards.

Not related to text searches, but a search for paragraph tags in a table is 
known to skip every other instance (Find backwards is of help here as well).



Shlomo Perets

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Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

[Art Campbell]

My first choice would be to set it in the meta file numbering
properties for each chapter file.
Unless you're already using it for something, use the Volume Number
setting/variable to set a text string for all chapters of a component
book. Then use $volnum to pull it into each listing. So you'd
probably end up with something that looked like $volnum $pagenum
to pull both variables in.

Art

On 8/3/06, Patrick Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Art, this is great information.

I have a question.

Where do I set the book title prefix for the index entries? In the index
marker itself inside the books, or would I set it on the reference page
so when the index is generated, we end up with book_name - page#
(Admin - 35).

Thanks,

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Patrick Nolan
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

Yes and no. Each book file is just a container for the chapters; it
doesn't actually change them. ;- )

You want to be sure to mimic the chapter-page numbering style of the
source book in the meta-book. Chapter 1 in Admin can still carry the
label Chapter 1and the following chapters will still take their
incremental numbering increase from it. And the page numbering setup
should stay the same. Only difference is you restart book-level
numbering with Chapter 1 from the Installation Guide and so on
throughout the metabook

This also makes it easier to set the book label prefix -- unless you're
already using it, you can pick up the Volume numbering $volnum
variable and set it to text using the string you decide to use for each
book's prefix.

Just as a BTW, the chapter numbering in the original books will still be
valid when you operate from the original book file. You're not changing
anything in THAT book; you're setting all the new properties in an
entirely separate book file that just happens to contain the same
chapters. The chapter files don't know about a particlar book's settings
if you work on them outside that book.

Art

On 8/1/06, Patrick Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Art,

 What I don't understand is, if I create a new book and add all the
 indexable chapters, wont these chapters lose their pagination? I.e.,
 wouldn't they get a new pagination from the new book?

 -Patrick

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:33 AM
 To: Patrick Nolan
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

 I think it's in the manual somewhere, but all you need to do is create

 a meta-book that contains all the indexable chapters from your doc set

 member books. Nesting books isn't supported. Only extra step is when
 you generate the index, you'll probably need to include a prefix to ID

 the book before the page citation -- Admin 301, Install 3-14, etc.

 The metabook is also useful for updating / synching all formats and
 applying any other changes you want to ripple into multiple books.

 Art

 snip
  In other words, they are asking for a master, multi-volume index for

  all the books.


--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358




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Re: Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Frank Stearns]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:


I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the


This is very peculiar... has to be an explanation somewhere! :)

Are you by chance pulling your files across a network? Perhaps stale or 
out-of-sync files are being moved around. (Many of the old network/FM 
problems of the past have been solved by better network sw in recent 
years, but one never knows when something might perhaps be out of 
adjustment or broken.)


If you'd like to send us a sample file I'll take a look at this B-grade 
SciFi/horror movie of the marker that won't go away. After nearly 2 
decades of working with MIF have never heard of anything like this (other 
than file sync issues). What you describe has gotten me rather curious.


If you elect to do this, send the original problematic binary file, not 
the MIF version you created.


Thanks,

Frank

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RE: Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Murray Moore]

My problem, Richard, is that I do not have a fm index marker to edit.

I call this entry in my book's index a ghost because its index marker text in 
Chapter 1 was changed a number of book index updates ago. The new version of 
that index entry displays in the index, too. When I look at that index marker 
in Chapter, I see only the revised text.

The older version of that index entry text only is found in the mif version of 
Chapter 1. When the free-of-the-ghost mif version is saved as the fm version 
and a stand-alone index is generated (thanks, Roger Shuttleworth), that ghost 
is gone.

But when the book then is updated, that ghost entry redisplays in my book's 
index. So the problem seems to occur during the updating of the 
book/regeneration of the index.

Whooo!

/\/\
Murray


-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:50 AM
To: Murray Moore; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries


Murray Moore wrote: 
 
 I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source 
 of the phantom entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.
 
 In my index I have made the offending index entries 
 conditional and hidden them.

I didn't really understand the initial problem, but whatever it was,
this isn't a solution -- or even an acceptable workaround. An index is a
generated file. When you update your book, your conditionalized entries
will be deleted and replaced with new, unconditionalized entries. 

To modify your index, you need to modify the index markers from which
it's generated, not the generated output. I don't recall why you weren't
able to find or edit the problematic marker text, but Art's suggestion
of getting IXGen is a good one. Use it to generate an editable marker
list, find and fix your problem entries in that list, and then reapply
the list to your doc, replacing all the existing markers. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Phantom index entries

[karyn hunt]

I'll second this one. I've spent literally hours pulling my hair out about 
phantom index entries, only to find that there were multiple, invisible 
index markers that were stacked one atop the other. I'd remove one, only to 
find there was another one there. And once you think you've got them all, 
sometimes you have to go back and remove even more. It's crazy making, but I 
did finally get my index to work.

Karyn



From: Stamm, David-P45904 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Phantom index entries
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:45:54 -0400

2006-08-03-04T17:45Z

Murray -

I just saw Frank Stearns' posting as I was finishing my missive, below.
I agree with Frank's projection about what I refer to as LAN
interference, network collisions, and network congestion. I've
seen FrameMaker do some mighty-odd things here that, apparently, our
colleagues don't experience. At least, they don't discuss such
intermittent, oddball behaviors on this list.

Believe you me: I feel your pain.

I recently relearned that FrameMaker sometimes stacks markers one on top
of the other. The only thing visible is one marker, but there might be
more than one marker at the same place. I have found six markers
stacked atop one another on the reference page named BookHTML.

I think you might find an Index marker that contains an entry such as
 16 or  18 or  24 - without the quotation marks. Notice that each
number is preceded by at least one blank (   ). I believe that in
such a situation, FrameMaker detects the blank or blanks, recognizes it
or them as symbols, and quite happily sorts the contents to
appear as you have reported them.

Try this.

1. By whatever means, go to the marker that you believe is the
offender. The marker appears highlighted. Remember that the marker
might be very hard to see. It might be at the very end of a bit of text
that is next to a text frame or a line in a table.

2. If necessary or desired, zoom in on the file until you can see the
marker that is highlighted. The marker becomes more-readily visible.

3. Press the left arrow key ( - ) once. The insertion point moves
to the left. If the marker is at the right side of a letter, the point
moves to the left side of the letter.

4. Press the right arrow key ( - ) once. The insertion point moves
into an invisible place between the right side of the letter and the
left side of the marker. The insertion point remains visible.

5. Press the spacebar once, twice, or thrice. (Hey, you can go
crazy here because you can't really hurt anything, and hitting the
spacebar is better than biting the edge of your work surface.) One or
more blanks appear to the left of the marker.

6. Press the right arrow key ( - ) _only_once_, and press the
spacebar _only_once_.

7. If this movement produces only one or more blanks - and nothing
else - you're dealing with only one marker.

8. If this movement produces a blank _and_ another marker begins to
appear, repeat steps six and seven until no more markers appear.

9. If FrameMaker's Marker dialog box is not displayed, display it.
Press Alt+S+M. The Marker dialog box appears.

10. Highlight each marker one-at-a-time and examine both its type
(such as Index or TopicAlias or Author in the title bar) and its
contents.

Again, I think you might find an Index marker that contains an entry
such as  16 or  18 or  24 - without the quotation marks. Notice
that each number is preceded by at least one blank (   ). I believe
that in such a situation, FrameMaker detects the blank or blanks,
recognizes it or them as symbols, and quite happily sorts the contents
to
appear as you have reported them.

Good luck!

Dave Stamm
Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200
Fort Wayne, Indiana 46804-1552
US
tel: 260-434-9620
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Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: 2006-08-01-Tuesday 09:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Phantom index entries

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

In my book's index, page numbers are appearing under the Symbols
heading; 16, 18, 24, etc.

I traced each of these numbers to its source index marker, e.g. one of
the page numbers under the Symbols heading, 34, is the A Year Ago This
Month button heading on page 34.

On page 34 I deleted and recreated the index marker. But when I updated
the book and the index, 34 continues to display under Symbols.

On page 34 I deleted the index marker. I updated the book and the index.
Not only does 16 continue to display under Symbols, but A Year Ago This
Month 34 continues to display under the A heading.

Our IT Dept. head suggested I might have exceeded the maximum size for a
FM file. I do not think so because I have produced thicker books.

/\/\
Murray Moore
Documentation Department
CSDC Systems Inc.
Mississauga, Ontario

Re: Phantom index entries

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Murray...

If you do need to modify your markers en-masse another option is to use 
our MarkerTools plugin ..


   http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php

One of its features allows you to export, modify, then import the 
markers back into your files. If you do find some consistent problem 
with the marker text, you may be able to use Perl of some search/replace 
tool to process the exported marker list before importing. The 30-day 
trial should give you enough time to clean up your files without needing 
to buy it.


Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
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RE: Phantom index entries

[Combs, Richard]

karyn hunt wrote: 
 
 I'll second this one. I've spent literally hours pulling my 
 hair out about phantom index entries, only to find that 
 there were multiple, invisible 
 index markers that were stacked one atop the other. I'd 
 remove one, only to find there was another one there. And 
 once you think you've got them all, sometimes you have to go 
 back and remove even more. It's crazy making, but I did 
 finally get my index to work.

You can move from one marker to the next with the Find command. David
Stamm's procedure works if you don't use smart spaces. But, IMHO, life
is too short to suffer through this kind of nonsense. FM's marker
manipulation functionality is just plain inadequate for any serious
work. Why put up with it?

Do yourselves a favor and try the several plugins for making this stuff
easier -- IXGen, Index Tools Pro, Marker Tools, ... (I'm sure I'm
forgetting something). I like IXGen (fsatools.com), but I'm certain
they're all huge improvements over plain FM. Pick one that works for you
and buy it. 

Richard


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RE: Phantom index entries (fwd)

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2006-08-03-04T19:25Z

Frank -

Thanks for following up.  Your service to me has always been prompt,
courteous, and effective.

aside to all
I have, use, and hardily recommend using IXgen; I'm a satisfied
customer.
/aside to all

Murray, it was evident to me that you do not have IXgen.  Not all of us
are fortunate enough to have it.  Hence, the procedure I posted.

Having some time ago used the procedure Frank presented below, I was
mystified when (after I deleted the offending marker) from the source
file, FrameMaker still showed a marker in the same place.  Being
curious, I sorted things out for myself and do my best to avoid having
stacks of markers.

Through entropy (that is, human error, LAN interference, and whatever)
strange things happen, so (from time to time) I remind myself that:

There are certain practical limits to the application of technology.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552
US
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Phantom index entries (fwd)


(oops -- I forgot to reply to the list... Sorry, David, for the dbl post
to you! g-Frank Stearns)

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Stamm, David-P45904 wrote:

 Try this.

  1.  By whatever means, go to the marker that you believe is the 
 offender.  The marker appears highlighted.  Remember that the marker

Maybe I missed something here, but you can also always turn on hypertext
linking when doing a generate/update. Then from the new index doc go to
the whacky entries and control-alt-click on their page numbers one by
one -- the control-alt-click will jump you back to the source doc and
that marker will be selected, whether you can see the selection or not.

Press DEL. Unless it really is the horror marker from Brimstone Regions,
it oughtta go away.

If not, we'd still like to see the doc.

(One shameless plug of a side note: IXgen can make clustered markers
very easy to see, either in context in the body text, or in a sorted or
unsorted listing document that you can edit and then return to the
source markers.)

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Word count

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...one of my team is involved in a localization project and
needs to lots of FM word counts.

Are there any plugins that will give a word count against a book
without first having to open each file in the book first?

Thanks

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is.
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Re: Word count

[Art Campbell]

Bruce Foster's Book Info.
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/

Art

On 8/3/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, guys...one of my team is involved in a localization project and
needs to lots of FM word counts.

Are there any plugins that will give a word count against a book
without first having to open each file in the book first?

Thanks

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually 
known what the question is.
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Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Lorraine Kiewiet]

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous Electric 
bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word Warning in the right cell. When I 
do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next to the word Warning 
(which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and slightly larger than the 
default.)  Frame forces me to type under the word Warning.

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced Frame Above Pgf option to 
specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word Warning in the 
desired font, which are picked up from the Reference page.  This explains why I 
can't type IN the paragraphy with the word Warning but I cannot find any 
other option for inserting Warning automatically and then typing next to it. 

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

--Lorraine

Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing  Consulting\r\nOnline  Print 
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Re: Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Stuart Rogers]

Lorraine Kiewiet wrote:

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a
(Dangerous Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word
Warning in the right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in
the default font next to the word Warning (which I want in a
sans-serif font, bold, and slightly larger than the default.)  Frame
forces me to type under the word Warning.

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced Frame Above Pgf
option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the
word Warning in the desired font, which are picked up from the
Reference page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy
with the word Warning but I cannot find any other option for
inserting Warning automatically and then typing next to it.

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!



Instead of using a reference frame for the word Warning, you could make 
a character format tag with the appropriate settings, and then put the 
word Warning in the autonumber of the cell's pgf tag, applying the 
character format to the autonumber.


HTH,


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RE: Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Ridder, Fred]

What you want to do is specify the word Warning 
as part of the paragraph format via the Numbering 
properties. It's easy to forget that the Numbering 
properties work just as well for automatically insuring 
a text string as for actual numbering. To use the
character formatting that you want for the Warning 
word, you need to first define it as a named character 
format (in the Paragraph Catalog), then you can 
apply that format to whatever characters are inserted 
as part of the Numbering properties.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lorraine Kiewiet
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table cell / Paragraph format question

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous
Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word Warning in the
right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next
to the word Warning (which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and
slightly larger than the default.)  Frame forces me to type under the
word Warning.

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced Frame Above Pgf
option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word
Warning in the desired font, which are picked up from the Reference
page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy with the word
Warning but I cannot find any other option for inserting Warning
automatically and then typing next to it. 

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

--Lorraine

Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing  Consulting\r\nOnline  Print
Documentation
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RE: Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Lorraine Kiewiet]

Thanks to you and Stuart for your timely reminder of this feature!!


-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 3, 2006 1:54 PM
To: Lorraine Kiewiet [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table cell / Paragraph format question

What you want to do is specify the word Warning 
as part of the paragraph format via the Numbering 
properties. It's easy to forget that the Numbering 
properties work just as well for automatically insuring 
a text string as for actual numbering. To use the
character formatting that you want for the Warning 
word, you need to first define it as a named character 
format (in the Paragraph Catalog), then you can 
apply that format to whatever characters are inserted 
as part of the Numbering properties.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lorraine Kiewiet
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table cell / Paragraph format question

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous
Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word Warning in the
right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next
to the word Warning (which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and
slightly larger than the default.)  Frame forces me to type under the
word Warning.

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced Frame Above Pgf
option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word
Warning in the desired font, which are picked up from the Reference
page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy with the word
Warning but I cannot find any other option for inserting Warning
automatically and then typing next to it. 

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

--Lorraine

Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing  Consulting\r\nOnline  Print
Documentation
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Re: FM 7.2, Tables, and Find

[rebecca officer]

Yes, see the problem. :-( No, don't have a fix. :-(( 

But when it happens, I click on the beginning of the page it stopped at and 
re-start the search. That keeps it happy, at least for a moment.

Cheers, Rebecca 

 Mary Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/08/06 03:39 
Hello Framers,
 
I recently upgraded to FM 7.2b144 (I'm running Windows XP). Yesterday I was
working in a document that is a single table. In using the Find feature to
locate various text strings, sometimes FM would highlight the exact text,
and sometimes it would stop in a cell above the cell containing the text.
 
Has anyone else seen this behavior and is a fix available? I looked on
adobe.com but didn't see anything on the downloads page.
 
Thanks for any information on this issue.
 
Mary Holder
The Roving TechWriter
www.therovingtechwriter.com http://www.therovingtechwriter.com/ 
(256) 682-3892
 
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Structured FrameMaker and MS Word XML Import

[David Versdahl]

Hello Everyone,

Currently we use standard FrameMaker to produce large (800-1000 page)
extremely technical documents. We begin them from scratch using input from a
wide variety of engineering sources. As a part of the book there are many
Visio images and a tremendous diversity of tables, equations, and cross
references.

We are embarking on a new project with a new 1200 page book. There are two
audiences for this book. One is a subset of the other. The request is that
we base this book on a single MS Word document that is maintained by one or
engineers at different sites. The content is constantly changing with the
addition of new material and the excising of outdated information. The
preference is to keep this a FrameMaker document so, we would take this Word
document and import it in some fashion into FrameMaker. The traditional
import function is impractical and tedious in this instance.

Our initial thought is to take the Word document and save it as XML, develop
an appropriate schema, and then import this XML into a structured FrameMaker
application. 

My question to you is whether or not this is a reasonable approach. Will it
work? If it will, what are the gotchas? Or, should we take the Word XML
output and work exclusively with an XML editor that ports to PDF (our
primary output)?

Your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.

Sincerely,

David Versdahl
Technical Writer, SR
Cypress Semiconductor
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Re: Structured FrameMaker and MS Word XML Import

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:00:20 -0700, David Versdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We are embarking on a new project with a new 1200 page book. There are two
audiences for this book. One is a subset of the other. The request is that
we base this book on a single MS Word document that is maintained by one or
engineers at different sites. 

That's asking for trouble.  Word is simply incapable of handling
complex 1200-page documents, or even simple 1000-page documents.
It's in enough trouble with simple 300-page documents...  ;-)

The content is constantly changing with the
addition of new material and the excising of outdated information. The
preference is to keep this a FrameMaker document so, we would take this Word
document and import it in some fashion into FrameMaker. The traditional
import function is impractical and tedious in this instance.

Consider turning the problem around.  Get the original material
into FrameMaker, preferably as a book consisting of perhaps eight
chapter files, whatever fits the doc structure.  Then you can
readily generate a single PDF.  When you need to furnish it to
the engineers in Word, use Mif2Go to produce the Word doc; many
members of this list do that, and we don't know of a better way
(truly, even if it is our product ;-).  You will get a set of
Word docs, not just one (one per chapter file), but that's what
you need if anyone wants to edit it in Word.  And you can force
Track Changes on, so you can easily see what was altered and
copy/paste it (as PLAIN TEXT) back into the FrameMaker doc.
That way, your writer maintains control of doc integrity, which
we consider very important.  You don't want any old tweak made
by a reviewer to go into the master FrameMaker doc without any
authorial review, now do you?  bg

HTH!

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Unicode

[Andrei 'ABacus' Bondarenko]

Hi there,

Could you please help me. I need the Graphic Shapes from the Arial 
OpenType font. I know that I can substitute this font in the Registry. 
But I don't know the palette page number:

"Arial CYR,__204__"="Arial Unicode MS,204"

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More phantom index entry

[Murray Moore]

In my index is this phantom entry:

A Year Ago This Month
   (Folder Statistics by Responsibility report) button 34

I save the chapter including page 34 as a .mif file.

In the .mif file I find the phantom text in this section (near the bottom):



 # end of Notes
  
   
   
   > # end of Pgf
   
   
 
 
 
 
> # end of Marker

   > # end of ParaLine
  > # end of Para
 > # end of CellContent
> # end of Cell
 # end of Notes
  
   
   
   
 
 
 
> # end of Font
 
 referencedefinitionsIssue.txt'>
 
 
 
 
  
  
 > # end of TiText
> # end of TextInset

 
> # end of Font


 
 
 
> # end of Font


 
 
 
 
> # end of Marker
   > # end of ParaLine
  > # end of Para
 > # end of CellContent
> # end of Cell
   > # end of Row


I delete:


 
 
 
 
> # end of Marker


I save the .mif file as its .fm file version; I save .fm file version again; I 
update the book.

The phantom entry continues to display in my index.

??

/\/\
Murray

Changing colors for table rules

[Scott White]

Frame experts:
Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly in a
four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered anything I
can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
-- 
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implentation Coordinator
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com

Changing colors for table rules

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Hi Scott,
You need to edit the ruling styles from the "Custom Ruling and Shading" menu
(Table>Custom Ruling and Shading).
Choose the rule you wish to modify and click the "Edit Ruling Style" button.
You can edit all the line parameters, including color, from there. You can
even create new rule styles.

Berny Gagn?
Lead Technical Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems
Bolton, Ontario, Canada  


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Scott White
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Changing colors for table rules

Frame experts:
Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly in a
four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered anything I
can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
--
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implentation Coordinator
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com


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Changing colors for table rules

[Ridder, Fred]

The color of the ruling is specified as part of the definition for
each named ruling style. Go to the Custom Ruling and Shading
dialog (in any table) and use the Edit Ruling Style button to 
define the ruling styles as you want them, and they will apply to 
all tables in the document.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Changing colors for table rules

Frame experts:
Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly
in a
four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered
anything I
can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
-- 
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implentation Coordinator
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com

Changing colors for table rules

[Scott White]

Duh, there it was right in front of me. I have looked for that it seems
since day one.
Next stop - Optometrist.
-- 
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implentation Coordinator
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com


> From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" 
> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:18:50 -0400
> To: 'Scott White' , Framers 
> Subject: RE: Changing colors for table rules
> 
> Hi Scott,
> You need to edit the ruling styles from the "Custom Ruling and Shading" menu
> (Table>Custom Ruling and Shading).
> Choose the rule you wish to modify and click the "Edit Ruling Style" button.
> You can edit all the line parameters, including color, from there. You can
> even create new rule styles.
> 
> Berny Gagn?
> Lead Technical Writer
> Husky Injection Molding Systems
> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com
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> Subject: Changing colors for table rules
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> Frame experts:
> Is there a way to change the default black colors for table rules and
> borders to another color? I would want colors that will print correctly in a
> four-color job. I have looked high and low and haven't discovered anything I
> can use to do that. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Murray Moore]

I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the phantom 
entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.

In my index I have made the offending index entries conditional and hidden them.

/\/\
Murray 

Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Art Campbell]

Why don't you think about getting IXGen from fsa.com and using it to
open all the markers. Then delete the problems...
http://www.fsatools.com/

Just in passing, it's a great indexing tool too, but that one
particular function would be useful to you in solving the problem.

Art



On 8/3/06, Murray Moore  wrote:
> I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the phantom 
> entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.
>
> In my index I have made the offending index entries conditional and hidden 
> them.
>



-- 
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gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM 7.2, Tables, and Find

[Mary Holder]

Hello Framers,

I recently upgraded to FM 7.2b144 (I'm running Windows XP). Yesterday I was
working in a document that is a single table. In using the Find feature to
locate various text strings, sometimes FM would highlight the exact text,
and sometimes it would stop in a cell above the cell containing the text.

Has anyone else seen this behavior and is a fix available? I looked on
adobe.com but didn't see anything on the downloads page.

Thanks for any information on this issue.

Mary Holder
The Roving TechWriter
www.therovingtechwriter.com  
(256) 682-3892

Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Combs, Richard]

Murray Moore wrote: 

> I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source 
> of the phantom entries in my index, but I can hide the effect.
> 
> In my index I have made the offending index entries 
> conditional and hidden them.

I didn't really understand the initial problem, but whatever it was,
this isn't a solution -- or even an acceptable workaround. An index is a
generated file. When you update your book, your conditionalized entries
will be deleted and replaced with new, unconditionalized entries. 

To modify your index, you need to modify the index markers from which
it's generated, not the generated output. I don't recall why you weren't
able to find or edit the problematic marker text, but Art's suggestion
of getting IXGen is a good one. Use it to generate an editable marker
list, find and fix your problem entries in that list, and then reapply
the list to your doc, replacing all the existing markers. 

HTH!
Richard


--
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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Indexing Multiple Books?

[Patrick Nolan]

Art, this is great information.

I have a question.

Where do I set the book title prefix for the index entries? In the index
marker itself inside the books, or would I set it on the reference page
so when the index is generated, we end up with 
(Admin - 35).

Thanks,

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Patrick Nolan
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?

Yes and no. Each book file is just a container for the chapters; it
doesn't actually change them. ;- )

You want to be sure to mimic the chapter-page numbering style of the
source book in the meta-book. Chapter 1 in Admin can still carry the
label Chapter 1and the following chapters will still take their
incremental numbering increase from it. And the page numbering setup
should stay the same. Only difference is you restart book-level
numbering with Chapter 1 from the Installation Guide and so on
throughout the metabook

This also makes it easier to set the book label prefix -- unless you're
already using it, you can pick up the Volume numbering <$volnum>
variable and set it to text using the string you decide to use for each
book's prefix.

Just as a BTW, the chapter numbering in the original books will still be
valid when you operate from the original book file. You're not changing
anything in THAT book; you're setting all the new properties in an
entirely separate book file that just happens to contain the same
chapters. The chapter files don't know about a particlar book's settings
if you work on them outside that book.

Art

On 8/1/06, Patrick Nolan  wrote:
> Art,
>
> What I don't understand is, if I create a new book and add all the 
> indexable chapters, wont these chapters lose their pagination? I.e., 
> wouldn't they get a new pagination from the new book?
>
> -Patrick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:33 AM
> To: Patrick Nolan
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Indexing Multiple Books?
>
> I think it's in the manual somewhere, but all you need to do is create

> a meta-book that contains all the indexable chapters from your doc set

> member books. Nesting books isn't supported. Only extra step is when 
> you generate the index, you'll probably need to include a prefix to ID

> the book before the page citation -- Admin 301, Install 3-14, etc.
>
> The metabook is also useful for updating / synching all formats and 
> applying any other changes you want to ripple into multiple books.
>
> Art
>
> 
> > In other words, they are asking for a master, multi-volume index for

> > all the books.
>

-- 
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Solution NOT SOLVED Phantom Index Entries

[Frank Stearns]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:

> I can not delete the cause in the fm files that is the source of the

This is very peculiar... has to be an explanation somewhere! :)

Are you by chance pulling your files across a network? Perhaps stale or 
out-of-sync files are being moved around. (Many of the old network/FM 
problems of the past have been solved by better network sw in recent 
years, but one never knows when something might perhaps be out of 
adjustment or broken.)

If you'd like to send us a sample file I'll take a look at this B-grade 
SciFi/horror movie of the marker that won't go away. After nearly 2 
decades of working with MIF have never heard of anything like this (other 
than file sync issues). What you describe has gotten me rather curious.

If you elect to do this, send the original problematic binary file, not 
the MIF version you created.

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
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Phantom index entries

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Murray...

If you do need to modify your markers en-masse another option is to use 
our MarkerTools plugin ..

http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php

One of its features allows you to export, modify, then import the 
markers back into your files. If you do find some consistent problem 
with the marker text, you may be able to use Perl of some search/replace 
tool to process the exported marker list before importing. The 30-day 
trial should give you enough time to clean up your files without needing 
to buy it.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892

Phantom index entries (fwd)

[Frank Stearns]

(oops -- I forgot to reply to the list... Sorry, David, for the dbl 
post to you! -Frank Stearns)

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Stamm, David-P45904 wrote:

> Try this.
>
>  1.  By whatever means, go to the marker that you believe is the
> offender.  The marker appears highlighted.  Remember that the marker

Maybe I missed something here, but you can also always turn on hypertext 
linking when doing a generate/update. Then from the new index doc go to the 
whacky entries and control-alt-click on their page numbers one by one -- the 
control-alt-click will jump you back to the source doc and that marker will be 
selected, whether you can see the selection or not.

Press DEL. Unless it really is the horror marker from Brimstone Regions, it 
oughtta go away.

If not, we'd still like to see the doc.

(One shameless plug of a side note: IXgen can make clustered markers very easy 
to see, either in context in the body text, or in a sorted or unsorted listing 
document that you can edit and then "return" to the source markers.)

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
franks at fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 360-892-3970  USA FAX: 360-253-1498
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Phantom index entries (fwd)

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2006-08-03-04T19:25Z

Frank -

Thanks for following up.  Your service to me has always been prompt,
courteous, and effective.


I have, use, and hardily recommend using IXgen; I'm a satisfied
customer.


Murray, it was evident to me that you do not have IXgen.  Not all of us
are fortunate enough to have it.  Hence, the procedure I posted.

Having some time ago used the procedure Frank presented below, I was
mystified when (after I deleted the offending marker) from the source
file, FrameMaker still showed a marker in the same place.  Being
curious, I sorted things out for myself and do my best to avoid having
stacks of markers.

Through entropy (that is, human error, "LAN interference," and whatever)
strange things happen, so (from time to time) I remind myself that:

"There are certain practical limits to the application of technology."

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552
US
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9601
dave.stamm at gdc4s.com
http://www.gdc4s.com/

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+dave.stamm=gdc4s@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dave.stamm=gdc4s.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Frank Stearns
Sent: 2006-08-03-Thursday 15:06
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Phantom index entries (fwd)


(oops -- I forgot to reply to the list... Sorry, David, for the dbl post
to you! -Frank Stearns)

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Stamm, David-P45904 wrote:

> Try this.
>
>  1.  By whatever means, go to the marker that you believe is the 
> offender.  The marker appears highlighted.  Remember that the marker

Maybe I missed something here, but you can also always turn on hypertext
linking when doing a generate/update. Then from the new index doc go to
the whacky entries and control-alt-click on their page numbers one by
one -- the control-alt-click will jump you back to the source doc and
that marker will be selected, whether you can see the selection or not.

Press DEL. Unless it really is the horror marker from Brimstone Regions,
it oughtta go away.

If not, we'd still like to see the doc.

(One shameless plug of a side note: IXgen can make clustered markers
very easy to see, either in context in the body text, or in a sorted or
unsorted listing document that you can edit and then "return" to the
source markers.)

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
franks at fsatools.com  TOLL FREE Voice (USA
and Canada):  800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970  USA FAX:
360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com
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Word count

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...one of my team is involved in a localization project and
needs to lots of FM word counts.

Are there any plugins that will give a word count against a book
without first having to open each file in the book first?

Thanks

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

Word count

[Art Campbell]

Bruce Foster's Book Info.
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/

Art

On 8/3/06, John Posada  wrote:
> Hi, guys...one of my team is involved in a localization project and
> needs to lots of FM word counts.
>
> Are there any plugins that will give a word count against a book
> without first having to open each file in the book first?
>
> Thanks
>
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
> actually known what the question is."
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 DoD 358

Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Lorraine Kiewiet]

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous Electric 
bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word "Warning" in the right cell. When I 
do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next to the word "Warning" 
(which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and slightly larger than the 
default.)  Frame forces me to type under the word "Warning".

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced "Frame Above Pgf" option to 
specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word "Warning" in the 
desired font, which are picked up from the Reference page.  This explains why I 
can't type IN the paragraphy with the word "Warning" but I cannot find any 
other option for inserting "Warning" automatically and then typing next to it. 

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

--Lorraine

Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing & Consulting\r\nOnline & Print 
Documentation

Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Stuart Rogers]

Lorraine Kiewiet wrote:
> I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a
> (Dangerous Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word
> "Warning" in the right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in
> the default font next to the word "Warning" (which I want in a
> sans-serif font, bold, and slightly larger than the default.)  Frame
> forces me to type under the word "Warning".
> 
> For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced "Frame Above Pgf"
> option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the
> word "Warning" in the desired font, which are picked up from the
> Reference page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy
> with the word "Warning" but I cannot find any other option for
> inserting "Warning" automatically and then typing next to it.
> 
> I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!
> 

Instead of using a reference frame for the word Warning, you could make 
a character format tag with the appropriate settings, and then put the 
word "Warning" in the autonumber of the cell's pgf tag, applying the 
character format to the autonumber.

HTH,


-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Ridder, Fred]

What you want to do is specify the word "Warning" 
as part of the paragraph format via the Numbering 
properties. It's easy to forget that the Numbering 
properties work just as well for automatically insuring 
a text string as for actual numbering. To use the
character formatting that you want for the "Warning" 
word, you need to first define it as a named character 
format (in the Paragraph Catalog), then you can 
apply that format to whatever characters are inserted 
as part of the Numbering properties.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Lorraine Kiewiet
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table cell / Paragraph format question

I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous
Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word "Warning" in the
right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next
to the word "Warning" (which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and
slightly larger than the default.)  Frame forces me to type under the
word "Warning".

For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced "Frame Above Pgf"
option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word
"Warning" in the desired font, which are picked up from the Reference
page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy with the word
"Warning" but I cannot find any other option for inserting "Warning"
automatically and then typing next to it. 

I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

--Lorraine

Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing & Consulting\r\nOnline & Print
Documentation
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Table cell / Paragraph format question

[Lorraine Kiewiet]

Thanks to you and Stuart for your timely reminder of this feature!!


-Original Message-
>From: "Ridder, Fred" 
>Sent: Aug 3, 2006 1:54 PM
>To: Lorraine Kiewiet , framers at 
>lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Table cell / Paragraph format question
>
>What you want to do is specify the word "Warning" 
>as part of the paragraph format via the Numbering 
>properties. It's easy to forget that the Numbering 
>properties work just as well for automatically insuring 
>a text string as for actual numbering. To use the
>character formatting that you want for the "Warning" 
>word, you need to first define it as a named character 
>format (in the Paragraph Catalog), then you can 
>apply that format to whatever characters are inserted 
>as part of the Numbering properties.
>
>My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
>Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
>Intel
>Parsippany, NJ
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Lorraine Kiewiet
>Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:42 PM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Table cell / Paragraph format question
>
>I'm using FM 7.2.  I'd like to set up a Table design with a (Dangerous
>Electric bolt) graphic in the left cell and the word "Warning" in the
>right cell. When I do this, I cannot enter text in the default font next
>to the word "Warning" (which I want in a sans-serif font, bold, and
>slightly larger than the default.)  Frame forces me to type under the
>word "Warning".
>
>For both cells, I'm using the paragraph Advanced "Frame Above Pgf"
>option to specify the Frame containing either the graphic, or the word
>"Warning" in the desired font, which are picked up from the Reference
>page.  This explains why I can't type IN the paragraphy with the word
>"Warning" but I cannot find any other option for inserting "Warning"
>automatically and then typing next to it. 
>
>I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!
>
>--Lorraine
>
>Lorraine Kiewiet\r\nTechnical Writing & Consulting\r\nOnline & Print
>Documentation
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Structured FrameMaker and MS Word XML Import

[David Versdahl]

Hello Everyone,

Currently we use standard FrameMaker to produce large (800-1000 page)
extremely technical documents. We begin them from scratch using input from a
wide variety of engineering sources. As a part of the book there are many
Visio images and a tremendous diversity of tables, equations, and cross
references.

We are embarking on a new project with a new 1200 page book. There are two
audiences for this book. One is a subset of the other. The request is that
we base this book on a single MS Word document that is maintained by one or
engineers at different sites. The content is constantly changing with the
addition of new material and the excising of outdated information. The
preference is to keep this a FrameMaker document so, we would take this Word
document and import it in some fashion into FrameMaker. The traditional
import function is impractical and tedious in this instance.

Our initial thought is to take the Word document and save it as XML, develop
an appropriate schema, and then import this XML into a structured FrameMaker
application. 

My question to you is whether or not this is a reasonable approach. Will it
work? If it will, what are the gotchas? Or, should we take the Word XML
output and work exclusively with an XML editor that ports to PDF (our
primary output)?

Your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.

Sincerely,

David Versdahl
Technical Writer, SR
Cypress Semiconductor

Structured FrameMaker and MS Word XML Import

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:00:20 -0700, "David Versdahl"  wrote:

>We are embarking on a new project with a new 1200 page book. There are two
>audiences for this book. One is a subset of the other. The request is that
>we base this book on a single MS Word document that is maintained by one or
>engineers at different sites. 

That's asking for trouble.  Word is simply incapable of handling
complex 1200-page documents, or even simple 1000-page documents.
It's in enough trouble with simple 300-page documents...  ;-)

>The content is constantly changing with the
>addition of new material and the excising of outdated information. The
>preference is to keep this a FrameMaker document so, we would take this Word
>document and import it in some fashion into FrameMaker. The traditional
>import function is impractical and tedious in this instance.

Consider turning the problem around.  Get the original material
into FrameMaker, preferably as a book consisting of perhaps eight
chapter files, whatever fits the doc structure.  Then you can
readily generate a single PDF.  When you need to furnish it to
the engineers in Word, use Mif2Go to produce the Word doc; many
members of this list do that, and we don't know of a better way
(truly, even if it is our product ;-).  You will get a set of
Word docs, not just one (one per chapter file), but that's what
you need if anyone wants to edit it in Word.  And you can force
Track Changes on, so you can easily see what was altered and
copy/paste it (as PLAIN TEXT) back into the FrameMaker doc.
That way, your writer maintains control of doc integrity, which
we consider very important.  You don't want any old tweak made
by a reviewer to go into the master FrameMaker doc without any
authorial review, now do you?  

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/