FM-9: some really hard things to digest

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all,

Since I have noticed that Adobe _is_ watching this list and responding 
to user complaints much more than some years before, i take the courage 
to complain about some items in the new interface. I'm a Frame user 
since version 3 and have provided some useful things to the community.

The CS4 user interface has its merits (more flexibility, definable 
workspace etc), but it also has its drawbacks, because IMHO it is 
'overdesigned'. You may see my personal notes about some details in FM-
9 at http://daube.ch/z_temp/fm9-details.pdf
You may also compare my rants with Jakob Niesen's Ten Usability 
Heuristics at http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html 
in particular Visibility of system status; Recognition rather than 
recall.

1) Elements of the UI can not easily be recognised because everything 
is gray as November.
   I need to mouse around to find the active areas. In some instances 
the difference between
   an active area and an information/label ist nil. Since buttons are 
coloured only in
   hovered state, it is difficult to find functions on the large screen 
- especially if
   the arrangement in different workspaces is not the same.

rant
Graphic artist seem to have a preference for black. Just look at 
Adobe's brochures. All seven graphic artist I know personally here in 
Switzerland wear black - the same as bankers...
/rant

2) I'm working with more than just FM open at a time. Switching back to 
FM does not indicate
   in any form whether the window is activated or not! There is no 
difference between an
   active or inactive FM window. Oh, yes, the cursor blinks - but find 
an I-beam on a 30
   screen immediately! And sometimes there is no I-beam at all.

3) Font size in dialogs is meager. It is still 8pt (as defined in the 
various resource
   files. This size is far to small for the now large screens with high 
resolution. One
   takes a little more distance to the screens if it gets larger... The 
standard UI font
   on Windows (MS Sans Serif) makes it often difficult to distinguish 
characters 1Iil, 5S,
   2Z, rnm etc. The interface does not honour the Windows setting for 
Large Fonts
   
4) The application window has no title at all. Hence the full path of 
an open document
   can not be displayed anywhere. It can not be determined whether I'm 
working on a local
   file or one a copy from the network. Frequenctly I must work on 
files which have the 
   same file name on different paths. How to distinguish? I can find 
the full path only
   in the bottom pod, Insets. And what, if the file has no insets and 
no pictures?

BTW my dictionary says for pod: seed pouch, seed case produce by some 
plants; fuel container in an airplane; herd of whales; group of birds.

I strongly hope that these flaws are not the result of concrete-set 
properties of the CS4-UI.
Klaus Daube 

 
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FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Yves Barbion]

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format  Paragraphs  Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

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RE: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sounds like the paragraph tag catalog display is losing track of the top
layer context.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 AM
To: tcs-us...@googlegroups.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format  Paragraphs  Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not
even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in
my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

-- 
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www.scripto.nu  * skype: yves.barbion  * T: +32 494 12 01 89
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Corcoran, Susan]

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility

 --
 
 Message: 32
 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
 From: RJ Jacquez rjacq...@adobe.com
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
 To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com, Frame Users
   framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
 Message-ID:
   
 ce2f61da5fa23945a4ea99a212b157950af1d18...@nambx03.corp.adobe.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
 in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
 launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
 exactly where to start.  
 
 However I do agree that there should be a preference 
 somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
 like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
 recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
 
 The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
 goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 RJ J?cquez
 Senior Product Evangelist
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, but I'm also 
recommending that we include a toggle option in the General Preferences dialog 
box, which should make it much easier to handle this option.  I will keep you 
posted on my findings.

BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list mentioned something 
about the default dark gray look of the new UI and I wanted to mention that 
there's a handy UI Brightness slider under File  Preferences  Interface, 
which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.

Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez


-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran, Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:33 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility

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 Message: 32
 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
 From: RJ Jacquez rjacq...@adobe.com
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
 To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com, Frame Users
   framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
 Message-ID:
   
 ce2f61da5fa23945a4ea99a212b157950af1d18...@nambx03.corp.adobe.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
 in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
 launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
 exactly where to start.  
 
 However I do agree that there should be a preference 
 somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
 like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
 recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
 
 The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
 goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 RJ J?cquez
 Senior Product Evangelist
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Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Mike Wickham]

 I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
 the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
 book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
 shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a 
button that's pretty small.

 This is a total waste of my
 time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
 position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have 
 made
 FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of pretty on
 everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header 
bar.

Mike Wickham


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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hi RJ,

That's funny.  I was going to mention that the gray interface is rather dull.  
I have the brightness cranked up for visibility, but perhaps the team would 
consider the option to customize the UI colors (Interleaf used to offer this).  
For those of us whose eyesight is becoming more erratic with age, the ability 
to adjust UI fonts and colors becomes more and more important.

Thanks for your reply.  I look forward to the e-learning sessions you mentioned 
in yesterday's post.

 
Susan Corcoran
 
Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
susan.corco...@honeywell.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: RJ Jacquez [mailto:rjacq...@adobe.com] 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:40 AM
 To: Corcoran, Susan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
 
 Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, 
 but I'm also recommending that we include a toggle option in 
 the General Preferences dialog box, which should make it much 
 easier to handle this option.  I will keep you posted on my findings.
 
 BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list 
 mentioned something about the default dark gray look of the 
 new UI and I wanted to mention that there's a handy UI 
 Brightness slider under File  Preferences  Interface, 
 which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 RJ Jácquez
 Senior Product Evangelist
 Adobe Technical Communication Suite
 Adobe eLearning Solutions
 http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
 Twitter: @rjacquez
 
 
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Please.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran,
Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:33 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility

 --
 
 Message: 32
 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
 From: RJ Jacquez rjacq...@adobe.com
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
 To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com, Frame Users
   framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
 Message-ID:
   
 ce2f61da5fa23945a4ea99a212b157950af1d18...@nambx03.corp.adobe.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
 in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
 launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
 exactly where to start.  
 
 However I do agree that there should be a preference 
 somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
 like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
 recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
 
 The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
 goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 RJ J?cquez
 Senior Product Evangelist
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi Susan, so many things to do, so little time :)

I'm working on this session and also one on working with Frame9 and RoboHelp 8 
together in TCS2, which is also urgent, so I'm on it.

BTW, yesterday I incorrectly posted a way to return a DITAmap to a Book view 
and I said that it could be done by selecting Window  Composite Documents, but 
the correct answer is to select the View  Resource Manager... menu, sorry 
about that.

I will definitely add your UI Colors recommendation to our list of features for 
consideration.

Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez

-Original Message-
From: Corcoran, Susan [mailto:susan.corco...@honeywell.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:45 AM
To: RJ Jacquez; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

Hi RJ,

That's funny.  I was going to mention that the gray interface is rather dull.  
I have the brightness cranked up for visibility, but perhaps the team would 
consider the option to customize the UI colors (Interleaf used to offer this).  
For those of us whose eyesight is becoming more erratic with age, the ability 
to adjust UI fonts and colors becomes more and more important.

Thanks for your reply.  I look forward to the e-learning sessions you mentioned 
in yesterday's post.

 
Susan Corcoran
 
Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
susan.corco...@honeywell.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: RJ Jacquez [mailto:rjacq...@adobe.com] 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:40 AM
 To: Corcoran, Susan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
 
 Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, 
 but I'm also recommending that we include a toggle option in 
 the General Preferences dialog box, which should make it much 
 easier to handle this option.  I will keep you posted on my findings.
 
 BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list 
 mentioned something about the default dark gray look of the 
 new UI and I wanted to mention that there's a handy UI 
 Brightness slider under File  Preferences  Interface, 
 which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 RJ Jácquez
 Senior Product Evangelist
 Adobe Technical Communication Suite
 Adobe eLearning Solutions
 http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
 Twitter: @rjacquez
 
 
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Re: some really hard things to digest

[Mike Wickham]

 4) The application window has no title at all. Hence the full path of
 an open document  can not be displayed anywhere. It can not be determined
 whether I'm working on a local  file or one a copy from the network.
 Frequenctly I must work on files which have the same file name on 
 different
 paths. How to distinguish? I can find the full path only in the bottom 
 pod,
 Insets. And what, if the file has no insets and no pictures?

Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its filename tab, 
the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but the book 
file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It would be 
a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames within the 
book file.

Mike Wickham



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RE: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Window position and size is a property of the (Windows) operating
system. These properties are exposed in the API, but Adobe has not coded
to them. Lexmation offers RestoreWindows ini and dll.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

 I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left
side of
 the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to
have a
 book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have
to
 shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to
a 
button that's pretty small.

 This is a total waste of my
 time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
 position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They
have 
 made
 FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of pretty
on
 everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the
book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the
default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than
necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the
header 
bar.

Mike Wickham


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Re: some really hard things to digest

[Whites]

More mouse-driven Easter eggs.  This is progress??

Will White


On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Mike Wickham wrote:

 Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its  
 filename tab,
 the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but  
 the book
 file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It  
 would be
 a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames  
 within the
 book file.

 Mike Wickham


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Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than  
tomorrow.
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RE: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Diane Gaskill]

That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and previous
version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.

Diane

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From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen


 I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
 the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
 book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
 shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
button that's pretty small.

 This is a total waste of my
 time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
 position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
 made
 FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of pretty on
 everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
bar.

Mike Wickham


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Re:FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Arnis Gubins]

In the [Preferences] section of your maker.ini file add:

DontShowWelcomeScreen=on




So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?


Susan Corcoran
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Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen)

[Scott Prentice]

Actually it *is* FM that saves the book window position and size. This 
info is stored in the book file itself, but isn't saved unless you 
actually make a change to the book file which requires that it be 
updated. Just moving and resizing the book won't require a save, but if 
you move and/or resize, and also add/delete a file or change the 
property of a book component .. then you can save the book and the next 
time you open it it will appear that the new location.

...scott


Diane Gaskill wrote:
 That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
 and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
 right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and previous
 version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
 Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.

 Diane

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
 To: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen


   
 I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
 the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
 book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
 shrink it and move it every time I open it.
 

 Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
 button that's pretty small.

   
 This is a total waste of my
 time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
 position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
 made
 FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of pretty on
 everyone.
 

 Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
 file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
 window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without
 resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
 It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
 bar.

 Mike Wickham


   
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RE: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Matt Sullivan]

For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If the
paratag containing the anchored frame is called full-page graphic, you can
map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table, using a
title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title will pick
up the master page assignment.


-Matt

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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

Frame 8.0
Win XP

I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a paragraph tag
that appears inside an anchored frame.

What I need to do is the following.

I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored frame.
The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings below current
line and floating so that it appears on the next available page and takes
up the entire page.
I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and applied a
pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored background
and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page mapping
table.
I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, except
for the one I went to all of that effort to create.

Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored frame?
If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could anchor
the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the graphic to
float.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jona

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Export to Word in FM 8?

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi all,

In FM 6 this export was offered as part of the Save As command..

In FM 8 I cannot see how to do this..

Any ideas?

Not looking for complete solns...its for test 
purposes...if I have the basics (where to look) I can go from there...

Thanks

Stephen O'Brien
Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
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Re: Export to Word in FM 8?

[Art Campbell]

SaveAs RTF is on all my systems.
It's possible that the filter wasn't installed, or is disabled, but
that's unlikely

MIF2Go by omsys.com does a much better job than the stock filters,
especially if you want to preserve formatting,

Art

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sobr...@innovmetric.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 In FM 6 this export was offered as part of the Save As command..

 In FM 8 I cannot see how to do this..

 Any ideas?

 Not looking for complete solns...its for test
 purposes...if I have the basics (where to look) I can go from there...

 Thanks

 Stephen O'Brien
 Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
 InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

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RE: Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen)

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Scott,

That makes sense.  But oddly, even when I saved a book in FM9, it opened
again in the default place.  Unfortunately, I cannot try it again because by
trial version just expired.  I have ordered a trial version of TCS2.  We'll
be upgrading at work eventually, especailly if they ahve fixed the graphics
bug (the one that prevents anchored graphics in tables from being converted
to RH) and I'll have to wait until it arrives.

What I'd really like to see is that FM9 would read the properties of the
files when it opens an FM8 file and use them, instead of requiring users to
reset and save them in FM9 to store the properties.

Thanks,
Diane
===

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9
Welcome Screen)


Actually it *is* FM that saves the book window position and size. This
info is stored in the book file itself, but isn't saved unless you
actually make a change to the book file which requires that it be
updated. Just moving and resizing the book won't require a save, but if
you move and/or resize, and also add/delete a file or change the
property of a book component .. then you can save the book and the next
time you open it it will appear that the new location.

...scott


Diane Gaskill wrote:
 That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
 and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
 right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and
previous
 version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
 Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.

 Diane

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
 To: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen



 I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side
of
 the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have
a
 book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
 shrink it and move it every time I open it.


 Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
 button that's pretty small.


 This is a total waste of my
 time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
 position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
 made
 FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of pretty on
 everyone.


 Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
 file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
 window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without
 resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
 It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
 bar.

 Mike Wickham




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Re: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Art Campbell]

To explain a little more... because you've got the trigger paragraph
buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the
normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order
to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest
way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow
to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.

Art

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Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan m...@grafixtraining.com wrote:
 For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If the
 paratag containing the anchored frame is called full-page graphic, you can
 map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table, using a
 title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title will pick
 up the master page assignment.


 -Matt

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

 Frame 8.0
 Win XP

 I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a paragraph tag
 that appears inside an anchored frame.

 What I need to do is the following.

 I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored frame.
 The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings below current
 line and floating so that it appears on the next available page and takes
 up the entire page.
 I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and applied a
 pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
 I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored background
 and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page mapping
 table.
 I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, except
 for the one I went to all of that effort to create.

 Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored frame?
 If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could anchor
 the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the graphic to
 float.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks,

 Jona

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Autonumbering restarting at 1 with multiple text flows

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All

 

I wonder if anyone has seen this. Using Frame 7.1p116 on XP SP3.

 

Kevin Hunter posted a question yesterday:

 

quote

I have a document with two flows, A  B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, my 
numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B,
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually,
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only
variables I should have to worry about.

\quote

 

Being of an obsessive nature, I decided to try to reproduce what he found. So, 
borrowing his doc to see how it was set up, I did the following:

 

1.   Create two custom, single-sided docs, AB.fm and AC.fm.

2.   In AB.fm:

a.   On the master page, make the default text frame (flow A) narrower and 
on the left, and add a new background text frame on the right for flow
B. Both text frames have Autoconnect switched on.

b.  Set the Body paragraph format to an autonumbered format.

3.   In AC.fm:

a.   Create a similar page layout (two text flows) to the one in AB.fm, but 
call the one on the right C instead of B. Autoconnect is on for both
flows.

b.  Leave the Body paragraph format as not numbered.

 

All subsequent work is done in AB.fm...

 

4.   In AB.fm, import page layouts (only) from AC.fm. The C frame (on the 
right) is in a similar position to the original B frame. After
importing, the C frame overlaps the B frame and pushes it to the right. 
*Curious.*

5.   Click in the C frame. Note that the Body paragraph format in not 
numbered - i.e. it is the same as it was in AC.fm. *I'd be interested to
know whether that is the expected result!*

6.   Click in the B frame. Note that the Body paragraph is numbered. We 
have two formats called Body but they are different.

7.   Add numbered paragraphs to all three flows so that a new page is 
created and the numbers flow to the next page. The doc is now two pages long
and all three text frames extend to the second page.

8.   Delete the flow B text frame on the second (last) body page. A message 
pops up saying that Frame will quite likely create a new page to
accommodate the content you are deleting. Sure enough, a third page is added 
that has the three text frames.

9.   Go back to page 2. Note that the numbering in flow A has recommenced 
at 1, while page 3 continues the numbering from page 1.

 

I realise that this may qualify as abuse! But there seems to be some 
strangeness going on. Either way, it explains what Kevin was finding. (He says
there's been a lot of importing of formats in the past...)

 

Any thoughts??

 

Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

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Re: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Jona Steenbrink]

Art and Matt,

Thanks for the suggestions. The problem is that I want the graphic to  
float, in other words, if I add or remove text preceding the graphic  
I don't want to end up with a big empty space at the bottom of the  
page preceding the full page graphic. I'm starting to suspect that  
there is no way of doing this the way that I want it done, other than  
manually applying the master page after I have done all of the editing.

So, just to clarify, a trigger pgf tag has to be inside the normal A  
text flow otherwise it won't work? There is no other place I could put  
it where it might work?

Thanks,

Jona



On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

 To explain a little more... because you've got the trigger paragraph
 buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the
 normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order
 to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest
 way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow
 to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.

 Art

 Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers  
 apply.
   DoD 358



 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan m...@grafixtraining.com 
  wrote:
 For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If  
 the
 paratag containing the anchored frame is called full-page graphic,  
 you can
 map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table,  
 using a
 title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title  
 will pick
 up the master page assignment.


 -Matt

 Matt Sullivan
 GRAFIX Training

 m...@roundpeg.com
 www.roundpeg.com
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 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona  
 Steenbrink
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

 Frame 8.0
 Win XP

 I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a  
 paragraph tag
 that appears inside an anchored frame.

 What I need to do is the following.

 I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored  
 frame.
 The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings below  
 current
 line and floating so that it appears on the next available page  
 and takes
 up the entire page.
 I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and  
 applied a
 pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
 I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored  
 background
 and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page  
 mapping
 table.
 I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied,  
 except
 for the one I went to all of that effort to create.

 Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an  
 anchored frame?
 If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I  
 could anchor
 the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the  
 graphic to
 float.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks,

 Jona

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RE: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Matt Sullivan]

It sounds like a 1-cell table with title would solve your need to float, if
the Title were the trigger in your mapping table. 


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:49 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

Art and Matt,

Thanks for the suggestions. The problem is that I want the graphic to
float, in other words, if I add or remove text preceding the graphic I
don't want to end up with a big empty space at the bottom of the page
preceding the full page graphic. I'm starting to suspect that there is no
way of doing this the way that I want it done, other than manually applying
the master page after I have done all of the editing.

So, just to clarify, a trigger pgf tag has to be inside the normal A text
flow otherwise it won't work? There is no other place I could put it where
it might work?

Thanks,

Jona



On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

 To explain a little more... because you've got the trigger paragraph 
 buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the 
 normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order 
 to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest 
 way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow 
 to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.

 Art

 Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers 
 apply.
   DoD 358



 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan 
 m...@grafixtraining.com
  wrote:
 For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If 
 the paratag containing the anchored frame is called full-page 
 graphic, you can map that para to the master page. I also use a 
 single-cell table, using a title (above or below table) that maps as 
 needed. The table title will pick up the master page assignment.


 -Matt

 Matt Sullivan
 GRAFIX Training

 m...@roundpeg.com
 www.roundpeg.com
 Office 714 960-6840
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 Steenbrink
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

 Frame 8.0
 Win XP

 I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a 
 paragraph tag that appears inside an anchored frame.

 What I need to do is the following.

 I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored 
 frame.
 The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings below 
 current line and floating so that it appears on the next available 
 page and takes up the entire page.
 I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and 
 applied a pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
 I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored 
 background and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the 
 Master Page mapping table.
 I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, 
 except for the one I went to all of that effort to create.

 Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored 
 frame?
 If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could 
 anchor the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the 
 graphic to float.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks,

 Jona

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Re: some really hard things to digest

[Klaus Daube]

On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: 

 Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its filename tab,
 the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but the book
 file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It would
 be a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames within
 the book file.
 
 Mike Wickham

Mike, I do not want to move the mouse around on the large screen just 
to get an information which should be somewhere visible already. Often 
I have this situation:

- In FM i have two files open, both named A, but from different paths 
(1 and 2)
- I copy something from another application and want to insert this 
into A1
- I switch over to FM-9 (ALT+TAB). With CTRL+TAB I can switch between 
the two open files
  in FM, but which is which?
- There is a chance of 50% to paste into the wrong file - or I must 
resort to mousing.
  If I'm lucky I see the cursor blinking in the active doc-window and 
remember, that
  this was the place where I left FM.

In the classic Windows interface until FM-8 this no issue at all.

How can this mousing be compatible to the requirement of 
accessability - which is a legally pressed requirement in the US 
(sorry, for me it is difficult to understand some legal things in the 
US)?

Klaus
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FrameMaker 9: Dialogues sizes

[Mike Wickham]

> I haven't trialled FM9 yet, but if the various tiny dialogue windows are
> now (a) bigger and (b) resizable, those would be immense improvements.

Some are resizable, such as Add/Edit Condition Tag. They have enlarged many 
of the fields in the various panels. It's definitely an improvement.

Mike Wickham

Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Diane Gaskill]

Ssme here.  To me, it's not a welcome screen, it's a marketing ploy to
advertise stuff, not far from SPAM (check the menu under Adobe), and it goes
away only when I open an FM file.  And when I close the file, the darn thing
comes back again.  Maybe it's okay for beginners who have no idea how to use
FM, but how may beginners are there?  The screen is not helpful to me at
all.  How do you turn it OFF?  I do not see anything in the .ini file.

I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
shrink it and move it every time I open it.  This is a total waste of my
time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have made
FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty" on
everyone.

Diane



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Mike Feimster
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:20 AM
To: Corcoran, Susan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen


> Does anyone else dislike the welcome screen?

Yes

Mike

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran,
Susan
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

I've just recently loaded TCS 2 and gotten a good look at FM9.  I really
like the new interface, even though it is different.  I especially like
the ability to customize it and save workspace versions.  However, I've
found the Welcome Screen to be *really* annoying.  Usually, welcome
screens disappear once an app is running, but this thing remains.  I
realize it offers some shortcuts (and a lot of Adobe marketing links),
but I can get those from my menus, just like any other Adobe
application.  I wonder why Adobe did this with Framemaker, when none of
their other applications behave this way.  Does anyone else dislike the
welcome screen?
 

Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
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FM-9: some really hard things to digest

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all,

Since I have noticed that Adobe _is_ watching this list and responding 
to user complaints much more than some years before, i take the courage 
to complain about some items in the new interface. I'm a Frame user 
since version 3 and have provided some useful things to the community.

The CS4 user interface has its merits (more flexibility, definable 
workspace etc), but it also has its drawbacks, because IMHO it is 
'overdesigned'. You may see my personal notes about some details in FM-
9 at http://daube.ch/z_temp/fm9-details.pdf
You may also compare my rants with Jakob Niesen's Ten Usability 
Heuristics at http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html 
in particular Visibility of system status; Recognition rather than 
recall.

1) Elements of the UI can not easily be recognised because everything 
is gray as November.
   I need to mouse around to find the active areas. In some instances 
the difference between
   an active area and an information/label ist nil. Since buttons are 
coloured only in
   hovered state, it is difficult to find functions on the large screen 
- especially if
   the arrangement in different workspaces is not the same.


Graphic artist seem to have a preference for black. Just look at 
Adobe's brochures. All seven graphic artist I know personally here in 
Switzerland wear black - the same as bankers...


2) I'm working with more than just FM open at a time. Switching back to 
FM does not indicate
   in any form whether the window is activated or not! There is no 
difference between an
   active or inactive FM window. Oh, yes, the cursor blinks - but find 
an I-beam on a 30"
   screen immediately! And sometimes there is no I-beam at all.

3) Font size in dialogs is meager. It is still 8pt (as defined in the 
various resource
   files. This size is far to small for the now large screens with high 
resolution. One
   takes a little more distance to the screens if it gets larger... The 
standard UI font
   on Windows (MS Sans Serif) makes it often difficult to distinguish 
characters 1Iil, 5S,
   2Z, rnm etc. The interface does not honour the Windows setting for 
"Large Fonts"

4) The application window has no title at all. Hence the full path of 
an open document
   can not be displayed anywhere. It can not be determined whether I'm 
working on a local
   file or one a copy from the network. Frequenctly I must work on 
files which have the 
   same file name on different paths. How to distinguish? I can find 
the full path only
   in the bottom pod, Insets. And what, if the file has no insets and 
no pictures?

BTW my dictionary says for pod: seed pouch, seed case produce by some 
plants; fuel container in an airplane; herd of whales; group of birds.

I strongly hope that these flaws are not the result of concrete-set 
properties of the CS4-UI.
Klaus Daube 


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FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Yves Barbion]

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format > Paragraphs > Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu  ? skype: yves.barbion  ? T: +32 494 12 01 89

FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sounds like the paragraph tag catalog display is losing track of the top
layer context.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 AM
To: TCS-Users at googlegroups.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format > Paragraphs > Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not
even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in
my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion * Managing Director * Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu  * skype: yves.barbion  * T: +32 494 12 01 89
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FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Corcoran, Susan]

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

> --
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
> From: RJ Jacquez 
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> To: Mike Wickham , Frame Users
>   
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
> in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
> launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
> exactly where to start.  
> 
> However I do agree that there should be a preference 
> somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
> like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
> recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
> 
> The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
> goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist

FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, but I'm also 
recommending that we include a toggle option in the General Preferences dialog 
box, which should make it much easier to handle this option.  I will keep you 
posted on my findings.

BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list mentioned something 
about the default dark gray look of the new UI and I wanted to mention that 
there's a handy "UI Brightness" slider under File > Preferences > Interface, 
which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.

Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez


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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran, Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

> --
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
> From: RJ Jacquez 
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> To: Mike Wickham , Frame Users
>   
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
> in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
> launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
> exactly where to start.  
> 
> However I do agree that there should be a preference 
> somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
> like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
> recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
> 
> The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
> goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
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Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Mike Wickham]

> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
> shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a 
button that's pretty small.

> This is a total waste of my
> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have 
> made
> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty" on
> everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header 
bar.

Mike Wickham

FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hi RJ,

That's funny.  I was going to mention that the gray interface is rather dull.  
I have the brightness cranked up for visibility, but perhaps the team would 
consider the option to customize the UI colors (Interleaf used to offer this).  
For those of us whose eyesight is becoming more erratic with age, the ability 
to adjust UI fonts and colors becomes more and more important.

Thanks for your reply.  I look forward to the e-learning sessions you mentioned 
in yesterday's post.


Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
susan.corcoran at honeywell.com


> -Original Message-
> From: RJ Jacquez [mailto:rjacquez at adobe.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:40 AM
> To: Corcoran, Susan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> 
> Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, 
> but I'm also recommending that we include a toggle option in 
> the General Preferences dialog box, which should make it much 
> easier to handle this option.  I will keep you posted on my findings.
> 
> BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list 
> mentioned something about the default dark gray look of the 
> new UI and I wanted to mention that there's a handy "UI 
> Brightness" slider under File > Preferences > Interface, 
> which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
> Adobe Technical Communication Suite
> Adobe eLearning Solutions
> http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
> Twitter: @rjacquez
> 

FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Please.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran,
Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

> --
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
> From: RJ Jacquez 
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> To: Mike Wickham , Frame Users
>   
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
> in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
> launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
> exactly where to start.  
> 
> However I do agree that there should be a preference 
> somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
> like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
> recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
> 
> The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
> goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
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FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi Susan, so many things to do, so little time :)

I'm working on this session and also one on working with Frame9 and RoboHelp 8 
together in TCS2, which is also urgent, so I'm on it.

BTW, yesterday I incorrectly posted a way to return a DITAmap to a Book view 
and I said that it could be done by selecting Window > Composite Documents, but 
the correct answer is to select the View > Resource Manager... menu, sorry 
about that.

I will definitely add your UI Colors recommendation to our list of features for 
consideration.

Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez

-Original Message-
From: Corcoran, Susan [mailto:susan.corco...@honeywell.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:45 AM
To: RJ Jacquez; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

Hi RJ,

That's funny.  I was going to mention that the gray interface is rather dull.  
I have the brightness cranked up for visibility, but perhaps the team would 
consider the option to customize the UI colors (Interleaf used to offer this).  
For those of us whose eyesight is becoming more erratic with age, the ability 
to adjust UI fonts and colors becomes more and more important.

Thanks for your reply.  I look forward to the e-learning sessions you mentioned 
in yesterday's post.


Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
susan.corcoran at honeywell.com


> -Original Message-
> From: RJ Jacquez [mailto:rjacquez at adobe.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:40 AM
> To: Corcoran, Susan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> 
> Hi Susan, I'm looking into this with our engineering team, 
> but I'm also recommending that we include a toggle option in 
> the General Preferences dialog box, which should make it much 
> easier to handle this option.  I will keep you posted on my findings.
> 
> BTW, I can't find the actual email, but someone on the list 
> mentioned something about the default dark gray look of the 
> new UI and I wanted to mention that there's a handy "UI 
> Brightness" slider under File > Preferences > Interface, 
> which allows you to customize the look-and-feel.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
> Adobe Technical Communication Suite
> Adobe eLearning Solutions
> http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
> Twitter: @rjacquez
> 

some really hard things to digest

[Mike Wickham]

> 4) The application window has no title at all. Hence the full path of
> an open document  can not be displayed anywhere. It can not be determined
> whether I'm working on a local  file or one a copy from the network.
> Frequenctly I must work on files which have the same file name on 
> different
> paths. How to distinguish? I can find the full path only in the bottom 
> pod,
> Insets. And what, if the file has no insets and no pictures?

Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its filename tab, 
the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but the book 
file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It would be 
a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames within the 
book file.

Mike Wickham

Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Window position and size is a property of the (Windows) operating
system. These properties are exposed in the API, but Adobe has not coded
to them. Lexmation offers RestoreWindows ini and dll.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left
side of
> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to
have a
> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have
to
> shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to
a 
button that's pretty small.

> This is a total waste of my
> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They
have 
> made
> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty"
on
> everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the
book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the
default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than
necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the
header 
bar.

Mike Wickham


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some really hard things to digest

[Whites]

More mouse-driven Easter eggs.  This is progress??

Will White


On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Mike Wickham wrote:

> Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its  
> filename tab,
> the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but  
> the book
> file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It  
> would be
> a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames  
> within the
> book file.
>
> Mike Wickham
>

++
First Soviet Citizen: Comrade, what kind of a day is it for you?
Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than  
tomorrow.
++

Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Diane Gaskill]

That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and previous
version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen


> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
> shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
button that's pretty small.

> This is a total waste of my
> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
> made
> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty" on
> everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
bar.

Mike Wickham

FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Arnis Gubins]

In the [Preferences] section of your maker.ini file add:

DontShowWelcomeScreen=on




>So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
>screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?
>
>
>Susan Corcoran
>Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
>

Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen)

[Scott Prentice]

Actually it *is* FM that saves the book window position and size. This 
info is stored in the book file itself, but isn't saved unless you 
actually make a change to the book file which requires that it be 
updated. Just moving and resizing the book won't require a save, but if 
you move and/or resize, and also add/delete a file or change the 
property of a book component .. then you can save the book and the next 
time you open it it will appear that the new location.

...scott


Diane Gaskill wrote:
> That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
> and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
> right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and previous
> version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
> Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.
>
> Diane
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Wickham [mailto:info at mikewickham.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
>
>
>   
>> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side of
>> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have a
>> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
>> shrink it and move it every time I open it.
>> 
>
> Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
> button that's pretty small.
>
>   
>> This is a total waste of my
>> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
>> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
>> made
>> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty" on
>> everyone.
>> 
>
> Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
> file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
> window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file without
> resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
> It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
> bar.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>   

Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Matt Sullivan]

For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If the
paratag containing the anchored frame is called "full-page graphic, you can
map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table, using a
title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title will pick
up the master page assignment.


-Matt

Matt Sullivan
GRAFIX Training

matt at roundpeg.com
www.roundpeg.com
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

Frame 8.0
Win XP

I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a paragraph tag
that appears inside an anchored frame.

What I need to do is the following.

I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored frame.
The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings "below current
line" and "floating" so that it appears on the next available page and takes
up the entire page.
I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and applied a
pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored background
and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page mapping
table.
I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, except
for the one I went to all of that effort to create.

Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored frame?
If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could anchor
the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the graphic to
float.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jona

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Export to Word in FM 8?

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi all,

In FM 6 this export was offered as part of the Save As command..

In FM 8 I cannot see how to do this..

Any ideas?

Not looking for complete solns...its for test 
purposes...if I have the basics (where to look) I can go from there...

Thanks

Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
www.innovmetric.com
PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM)

Export to Word in FM 8?

[Art Campbell]

SaveAs RTF is on all my systems.
It's possible that the filter wasn't installed, or is disabled, but
that's unlikely

MIF2Go by omsys.com does a much better job than the stock filters,
especially if you want to preserve formatting,

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Stephen O'Brien
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In FM 6 this export was offered as part of the Save As command..
>
> In FM 8 I cannot see how to do this..
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Not looking for complete solns...its for test
> purposes...if I have the basics (where to look) I can go from there...
>
> Thanks
>
> Stephen O'Brien
> R?dacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
> InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
> 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
> Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6
>
> Tel.: (418) 688-2061
> Fax: (418) 688-3001
> E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
> www.innovmetric.com
> PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM)
>
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Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen)

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Scott,

That makes sense.  But oddly, even when I saved a book in FM9, it opened
again in the default place.  Unfortunately, I cannot try it again because by
trial version just expired.  I have ordered a trial version of TCS2.  We'll
be upgrading at work eventually, especailly if they ahve fixed the graphics
bug (the one that prevents anchored graphics in tables from being converted
to RH) and I'll have to wait until it arrives.

What I'd really like to see is that FM9 would read the properties of the
files when it opens an FM8 file and use them, instead of requiring users to
reset and save them in FM9 to store the properties.

Thanks,
Diane
===

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Book window position (was .. Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9
Welcome Screen)


Actually it *is* FM that saves the book window position and size. This
info is stored in the book file itself, but isn't saved unless you
actually make a change to the book file which requires that it be
updated. Just moving and resizing the book won't require a save, but if
you move and/or resize, and also add/delete a file or change the
property of a book component .. then you can save the book and the next
time you open it it will appear that the new location.

...scott


Diane Gaskill wrote:
> That's strange, Mike.  I happen to like the book file about 2 inches wide
> and just high enough to display the list of files, and placed in the upper
> right corner of my screen.  Out of the way, but available. FM8 and
previous
> version have always opened the book file exactly where I save it. But as
> Kelly says, it's Windows, not FM that is doing it.
>
> Diane
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Wickham [mailto:info at mikewickham.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
>
>
>
>> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left side
of
>> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to have
a
>> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have to
>> shrink it and move it every time I open it.
>>
>
> Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to a
> button that's pretty small.
>
>
>> This is a total waste of my
>> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
>> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They have
>> made
>> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty" on
>> everyone.
>>
>
> Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the book
> file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the default
> window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without
> resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than necessary.
> It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the header
> bar.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>

Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Art Campbell]

To explain a little more... because you've got the "trigger" paragraph
buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the
normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order
to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest
way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow
to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan  
wrote:
> For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If the
> paratag containing the anchored frame is called "full-page graphic, you can
> map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table, using a
> title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title will pick
> up the master page assignment.
>
>
> -Matt
>
> Matt Sullivan
> GRAFIX Training
>
> matt at roundpeg.com
> www.roundpeg.com
> Office 714 960-6840
> Cell 714 585-2335
>
> skype: mattatroundpeg
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/grafixtraining
> facebook| plaxo
>
> Click to tell me the social media sites you belong to
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame
>
> Frame 8.0
> Win XP
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a paragraph tag
> that appears inside an anchored frame.
>
> What I need to do is the following.
>
> I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored frame.
> The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings "below current
> line" and "floating" so that it appears on the next available page and takes
> up the entire page.
> I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and applied a
> pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
> I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored background
> and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page mapping
> table.
> I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, except
> for the one I went to all of that effort to create.
>
> Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored frame?
> If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could anchor
> the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the graphic to
> float.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jona
>
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Autonumbering restarting at 1 with multiple text flows

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All



I wonder if anyone has seen this. Using Frame 7.1p116 on XP SP3.



Kevin Hunter posted a question yesterday:





I have a document with two flows, A & B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, my 
numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B,
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually,
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only
variables I should have to worry about.

<\quote>



Being of an obsessive nature, I decided to try to reproduce what he found. So, 
borrowing his doc to see how it was set up, I did the following:



1.   Create two custom, single-sided docs, AB.fm and AC.fm.

2.   In AB.fm:

a.   On the master page, make the default text frame (flow A) narrower and 
on the left, and add a new background text frame on the right for flow
B. Both text frames have Autoconnect switched on.

b.  Set the Body paragraph format to an autonumbered format.

3.   In AC.fm:

a.   Create a similar page layout (two text flows) to the one in AB.fm, but 
call the one on the right C instead of B. Autoconnect is on for both
flows.

b.  Leave the Body paragraph format as not numbered.



All subsequent work is done in AB.fm...



4.   In AB.fm, import page layouts (only) from AC.fm. The C frame (on the 
right) is in a similar position to the original B frame. After
importing, the C frame overlaps the B frame and pushes it to the right. 
*Curious.*

5.   Click in the C frame. Note that the Body paragraph format in not 
numbered - i.e. it is the same as it was in AC.fm. *I'd be interested to
know whether that is the expected result!*

6.   Click in the B frame. Note that the Body paragraph is numbered. We 
have two formats called Body but they are different.

7.   Add numbered paragraphs to all three flows so that a new page is 
created and the numbers flow to the next page. The doc is now two pages long
and all three text frames extend to the second page.

8.   Delete the flow B text frame on the second (last) body page. A message 
pops up saying that Frame will quite likely create a new page to
accommodate the content you are deleting. Sure enough, a third page is added 
that has the three text frames.

9.   Go back to page 2. Note that the numbering in flow A has recommenced 
at 1, while page 3 continues the numbering from page 1.



I realise that this may qualify as abuse! But there seems to be some 
strangeness going on. Either way, it explains what Kevin was finding. (He says
there's been a lot of importing of formats in the past...)



Any thoughts??



Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Jona Steenbrink]

Art and Matt,

Thanks for the suggestions. The problem is that I want the graphic to  
"float", in other words, if I add or remove text preceding the graphic  
I don't want to end up with a big empty space at the bottom of the  
page preceding the full page graphic. I'm starting to suspect that  
there is no way of doing this the way that I want it done, other than  
manually applying the master page after I have done all of the editing.

So, just to clarify, a trigger pgf tag has to be inside the normal A  
text flow otherwise it won't work? There is no other place I could put  
it where it might work?

Thanks,

Jona



On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> To explain a little more... because you've got the "trigger" paragraph
> buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the
> normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order
> to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest
> way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow
> to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers  
> apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan  > wrote:
>> For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If  
>> the
>> paratag containing the anchored frame is called "full-page graphic,  
>> you can
>> map that para to the master page. I also use a single-cell table,  
>> using a
>> title (above or below table) that maps as needed. The table title  
>> will pick
>> up the master page assignment.
>>
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> Matt Sullivan
>> GRAFIX Training
>>
>> matt at roundpeg.com
>> www.roundpeg.com
>> Office 714 960-6840
>> Cell 714 585-2335
>>
>> skype: mattatroundpeg
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/grafixtraining
>> facebook| plaxo
>>
>> Click to tell me the social media sites you belong to
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona  
>> Steenbrink
>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame
>>
>> Frame 8.0
>> Win XP
>>
>> I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a  
>> paragraph tag
>> that appears inside an anchored frame.
>>
>> What I need to do is the following.
>>
>> I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored  
>> frame.
>> The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings "below  
>> current
>> line" and "floating" so that it appears on the next available page  
>> and takes
>> up the entire page.
>> I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and  
>> applied a
>> pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
>> I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored  
>> background
>> and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the Master Page  
>> mapping
>> table.
>> I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied,  
>> except
>> for the one I went to all of that effort to create.
>>
>> Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an  
>> anchored frame?
>> If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I  
>> could anchor
>> the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the  
>> graphic to
>> float.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jona
>>
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Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

[Matt Sullivan]

It sounds like a 1-cell table with title would solve your need to float, if
the Title were the trigger in your mapping table. 


-Matt

Matt Sullivan
GRAFIX Training

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona Steenbrink
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:49 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame

Art and Matt,

Thanks for the suggestions. The problem is that I want the graphic to
"float", in other words, if I add or remove text preceding the graphic I
don't want to end up with a big empty space at the bottom of the page
preceding the full page graphic. I'm starting to suspect that there is no
way of doing this the way that I want it done, other than manually applying
the master page after I have done all of the editing.

So, just to clarify, a trigger pgf tag has to be inside the normal A text
flow otherwise it won't work? There is no other place I could put it where
it might work?

Thanks,

Jona



On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> To explain a little more... because you've got the "trigger" paragraph 
> buried within a text frame inside an anchored frame, it's outside the 
> normal A text flow. And it needs to be in the main text flow in order 
> to be recognized and to trigger the chosen master page. The easiest 
> way to fix it is to use a special dedicated para tag in the main flow 
> to hold the anchor point, as Matt suggests.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers 
> apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Matt Sullivan 
>  > wrote:
>> For cases like this I use a para tag to hold the anchored frame. If 
>> the paratag containing the anchored frame is called "full-page 
>> graphic, you can map that para to the master page. I also use a 
>> single-cell table, using a title (above or below table) that maps as 
>> needed. The table title will pick up the master page assignment.
>>
>>
>> -Matt
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jona 
>> Steenbrink
>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Linking Master Pages to A Pgf Tag in an Anchored Frame
>>
>> Frame 8.0
>> Win XP
>>
>> I was wondering if it is possible to link a Master Page to a 
>> paragraph tag that appears inside an anchored frame.
>>
>> What I need to do is the following.
>>
>> I've created a large graphic (7.5x10) contained within an anchored 
>> frame.
>> The frame is anchored in a body paragraph with the settings "below 
>> current line" and "floating" so that it appears on the next available 
>> page and takes up the entire page.
>> I've put some text in a Text Frame, inside the anchored frame and 
>> applied a pgf tag imaginatively called FullSizedGraphic.
>> I've created a master page called FullSizedGraphic with a colored 
>> background and linked it to the FullSizedGraphic pgf tag in the 
>> Master Page mapping table.
>> I select Apply Master Pages and all other Master Pages are applied, 
>> except for the one I went to all of that effort to create.
>>
>> Is it simply the case that Frame doesn't read pgf tags in an anchored 
>> frame?
>> If so, can anyone think of an alternative way of doing this? I could 
>> anchor the frame to a custom pgf tag on its own page, but I want the 
>> graphic to float.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jona
>>
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some really hard things to digest

[Klaus Daube]

On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: 

> Klaus, when a file is open, if you hover your cursor over its filename tab,
> the full path will pop up. This doesn't work for book files, but the book
> file path is listed at the top of the tree within the book file. It would
> be a nice feature to add such a popup when hovering over filenames within
> the book file.
> 
> Mike Wickham

Mike, I do not want to move the mouse around on the large screen just 
to get an information which should be somewhere visible already. Often 
I have this situation:

- In FM i have two files open, both named A, but from different paths 
(1 and 2)
- I copy something from another application and want to insert this 
into A1
- I switch over to FM-9 (ALT+TAB). With CTRL+TAB I can switch between 
the two open files
  in FM, but which is which?
- There is a chance of 50% to paste into the wrong file - or I must 
resort to mousing.
  If I'm lucky I see the cursor blinking in the active doc-window and 
remember, that
  this was the place where I left FM.

In the classic Windows interface until FM-8 this no issue at all.

How can this mousing be compatible to the requirement of 
"accessability" - which is a legally pressed requirement in the US 
(sorry, for me it is difficult to understand some legal things in the 
US)?

Klaus
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