[framescript-users] OT: File Permissions

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Maybe you need to log in as admin and change the file ownership from there
if you don't have the rights with your regular login?

Bodvar

2010/6/15 Rick Quatro 

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Re: [framescript-users] OT: File Permissions

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Maybe you need to log in as admin and change the file ownership from there
if you don't have the rights with your regular login?

Bodvar

2010/6/15 Rick Quatro 

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> Hello Framers,
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> Excuse the off-topic post, but I need a little direction with copying files
> from a hard drive. I friend gave me a hard drive from his disabled
> computer.
> He wants his files from the Document and Settings folder. I put the hard
> drive in my computer and attempted to copy the Document and Settings folder
> to my hard drive. I am getting "Access Denied" messages. I can change the
> permissions for each individual folder, but there must be a way for me to
> copy all of the folders without messing with the permissions. Any advice
> would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>
> Rick Quatro
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Thought for the day

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I like miss steaks. ;-)

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Re: Thought for the day

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I like miss steaks. ;-)

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insert generated list - TOC in content file

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Bj?rn,

Just make the file as usual and then import it into the content file.
And remove its reference from the Book file. I believe there are some
instructions to be found in the Help.

Hils dronningen fra mig! ;-)

B??var Bj?rgvinsson

2010/4/9 Studio Smalbro :
> I need to make a framemaker file with a toc in the same file as the content.
> And I need to be able to update the toc. Normally I would have my toc as a
> standalone file inserted in the book file, but that won't do this time. I
> need to have the generated list in the content file itself. How do I do this
> trick ? I am running FM 9 for this project.
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Re: insert generated list - TOC in content file

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Björn,

Just make the file as usual and then import it into the content file.
And remove its reference from the Book file. I believe there are some
instructions to be found in the Help.

Hils dronningen fra mig! ;-)

Böðvar Björgvinsson

2010/4/9 Studio Smalbro :
> I need to make a framemaker file with a toc in the same file as the content.
> And I need to be able to update the toc. Normally I would have my toc as a
> standalone file inserted in the book file, but that won't do this time. I
> need to have the generated list in the content file itself. How do I do this
> trick ? I am running FM 9 for this project.
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translating into Icelandic and Serbian?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Leigh,

We're getting there! ;-)

You are right, there is nothing really that FM can do as to
hyphenation and spellchecking in Icelandic. But let's say the text has
already been spellchecked, and only the hypenating is remaining. I
tried a special multi-national hyphenation tool, which at that time
(2007) did more wrong than right, but it could be checked out again.
It just adds soft hyphens everywhere possible and then FM can (with
setting to No Language) do the rest.
Otherwise, the text would need to be hyphenated by hand. A possible
"solution" would be to mif the document(s) and send to a TeX editor
which probably could make use of aspell or ispell for the hypenations,
and then export back as mif. I am not sure whether the text would
include the soft hyphens correctly.

I have just revisited Scribus (www.scribus.net). It is an XML based
DTP and should be able to import XML documents (I have not tested any
such features). It also has a built-in hyphenator for several
languages, including Icelandic.

If you think I could be of any help in this matter, I would be happy
to look into it.

Bodvar

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2010/3/23 LW White :
> Hi Bodvar,
>
> I saw your name several times as I was researching this issue. I'm not sure
> I understand you correctly either, so let me explain myself more fully and
> perhaps that will clarify for both of us. I apologize in advance if I tell
> you what you already know. I am designing the EDD and templates for this
> group. The translator will be producing the non-English documents. I am
> setting the EDD up so that, based on the xml:lang attribute of the parent
> topic, the text in all of the child elements is associated with a certain
> language in Frame for the purposes of hyphenation, spell-checking, etc. Of
> the 30 languages this client translates to, only Icelandic and Serbian do
> not have corresponding elements that I can select for the EDD. This means,
> if I am correct, that while the text itself will not be affected (as long as
> the font and Unicode are correct), the hyphenation and a few other things
> might be off. My question, then, is what can I do (or can I do anything on
> my side) to help ensure these items are correct.
>
> It sounds as though at least for Icelandic, the answer is no. I cannot
> imagine why Adobe grouped Icelandic in with Eastern European languages. If
> they were going to group with anything, you would think it would be with
> other Scandanavian languages (though Icelandic is quite in a category by
> itself even then!) Serbian, at least, I can likely classify with Croat
> (political issues aside!)
>
> I think the translator can handle the spell-checking just as you describe.
> The hyphenation, on the other hand, is strictly a Frame matter. I need to
> have my client contact the agency and see what they have been doing in the
> past (they have been producing in all of the languages for some time with
> unstructured Frame 7.1).
>
> Thanks for your input and I will definitely keep you in mind as an Icelandic
> resource. I will also keep you posted on the eventual resolution of this
> issue.
>
> Best,
> Leigh
>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:10:43 +
>> Subject: Re: translating into Icelandic and Serbian?
>> From: bodvar at gmail.com
>> To: lwwhite5 at hotmail.com
>> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> I am not quite sure I understand you correctly, but then just respond
>> accordingly.
>>
>> You will not find anything approximating Icelandic. You can set the
>> quotes to German quotes. That is the Icelandic convention too.
>> I don't have FM9. I tried FM8 a couple of years ago, but it was too
>> limited, and I have since not had any reason to try FM9 out, so I
>> really don't have much comparison, but having full UTF-8 support, it
>> should do a fine thing.
>>
>> Adobe has, however, not added support for Icelandic for this Latin-1
>> group language for FM. They have (some) Icelandic support in ID, but
>> spin us up with Eastern Europe languages which are not the least
>> related (except being Indo-European). So no spellchecking, no
>> automatic hyphenation and no Thesaurus.
>>
>> There might be a way around this to save in XML and do the
>> spellchecking in some Linux/UNIX XML editor using i-spell or a-spell.
>> Hunspell for Icelandic is in the pipes, hopefully ready some time
>> next year.
>>
>> I would be happy to look into this with you if you like. I have been
>> using Structured FM7.2 for three different layouts of Icelandic New
>> Testament, Psalms and Proverbia for the Icelandic Gideons.
>>
>> XML la

Re: translating into Icelandic and Serbian?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Leigh,

We're getting there! ;-)

You are right, there is nothing really that FM can do as to
hyphenation and spellchecking in Icelandic. But let's say the text has
already been spellchecked, and only the hypenating is remaining. I
tried a special multi-national hyphenation tool, which at that time
(2007) did more wrong than right, but it could be checked out again.
It just adds soft hyphens everywhere possible and then FM can (with
setting to No Language) do the rest.
Otherwise, the text would need to be hyphenated by hand. A possible
"solution" would be to mif the document(s) and send to a TeX editor
which probably could make use of aspell or ispell for the hypenations,
and then export back as mif. I am not sure whether the text would
include the soft hyphens correctly.

I have just revisited Scribus (www.scribus.net). It is an XML based
DTP and should be able to import XML documents (I have not tested any
such features). It also has a built-in hyphenator for several
languages, including Icelandic.

If you think I could be of any help in this matter, I would be happy
to look into it.

Bodvar

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2010/3/23 LW White :
> Hi Bodvar,
>
> I saw your name several times as I was researching this issue. I'm not sure
> I understand you correctly either, so let me explain myself more fully and
> perhaps that will clarify for both of us. I apologize in advance if I tell
> you what you already know. I am designing the EDD and templates for this
> group. The translator will be producing the non-English documents. I am
> setting the EDD up so that, based on the xml:lang attribute of the parent
> topic, the text in all of the child elements is associated with a certain
> language in Frame for the purposes of hyphenation, spell-checking, etc. Of
> the 30 languages this client translates to, only Icelandic and Serbian do
> not have corresponding elements that I can select for the EDD. This means,
> if I am correct, that while the text itself will not be affected (as long as
> the font and Unicode are correct), the hyphenation and a few other things
> might be off. My question, then, is what can I do (or can I do anything on
> my side) to help ensure these items are correct.
>
> It sounds as though at least for Icelandic, the answer is no. I cannot
> imagine why Adobe grouped Icelandic in with Eastern European languages. If
> they were going to group with anything, you would think it would be with
> other Scandanavian languages (though Icelandic is quite in a category by
> itself even then!) Serbian, at least, I can likely classify with Croat
> (political issues aside!)
>
> I think the translator can handle the spell-checking just as you describe.
> The hyphenation, on the other hand, is strictly a Frame matter. I need to
> have my client contact the agency and see what they have been doing in the
> past (they have been producing in all of the languages for some time with
> unstructured Frame 7.1).
>
> Thanks for your input and I will definitely keep you in mind as an Icelandic
> resource. I will also keep you posted on the eventual resolution of this
> issue.
>
> Best,
> Leigh
>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:10:43 +
>> Subject: Re: translating into Icelandic and Serbian?
>> From: bod...@gmail.com
>> To: lwwhi...@hotmail.com
>> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> I am not quite sure I understand you correctly, but then just respond
>> accordingly.
>>
>> You will not find anything approximating Icelandic. You can set the
>> quotes to German quotes. That is the Icelandic convention too.
>> I don't have FM9. I tried FM8 a couple of years ago, but it was too
>> limited, and I have since not had any reason to try FM9 out, so I
>> really don't have much comparison, but having full UTF-8 support, it
>> should do a fine thing.
>>
>> Adobe has, however, not added support for Icelandic for this Latin-1
>> group language for FM. They have (some) Icelandic support in ID, but
>> spin us up with Eastern Europe languages which are not the least
>> related (except being Indo-European). So no spellchecking, no
>> automatic hyphenation and no Thesaurus.
>>
>> There might be a way around this to save in XML and do the
>> spellchecking in some Linux/UNIX XML editor using i-spell or a-spell.
>> Hunspell for Icelandic is in the pipes, hopefully ready some time
>> next year.
>>
>> I would be happy to look into this with you if you like. I have been
>> using Structured FM7.2 for three different layouts of Icelandic New
>> Testament, Psalms and Proverbia for the Icelandic Gideons.
>>
>> XML language se

translating into Icelandic and Serbian?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am not quite sure I understand you correctly, but then just respond
accordingly.

You will not find anything approximating Icelandic. You can set the
quotes to German quotes. That is the Icelandic convention too.
I don't have FM9. I tried FM8 a couple of years ago, but it was too
limited, and I have since not had any reason to try FM9 out, so I
really don't have much comparison, but having full UTF-8 support, it
should do a fine thing.

Adobe has, however, not added support for Icelandic for this Latin-1
group language for FM. They have (some) Icelandic support in ID, but
spin us up with Eastern Europe languages which are not the least
related (except being Indo-European). So no spellchecking, no
automatic hyphenation and no Thesaurus.

There might be a way around this to save in XML and do the
spellchecking in some Linux/UNIX XML editor using i-spell or a-spell.
Hunspell  for Icelandic is in the pipes, hopefully ready some time
next year.

I would be happy to look into this with you if you like. I have been
using Structured FM7.2 for three different layouts of Icelandic New
Testament, Psalms and Proverbia for the Icelandic Gideons.

XML language settings are IS/is for Icelandic.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland.


2010/3/23 LW White :
>
>
> Using Frame9, DITA. A client translates into Icelandic and Serbian (among 
> many other languages) but these are the only two that do not have 
> corresponding Language values. What should be my approach--should I select 
> the "closest" available language (that being a gray area, I fear) or is there 
> some plug-in I should install? I installed support for all languages when I 
> installed Frame. What are folks translating into these languages currently 
> doing?
>
> Thanks,
> Leigh
>

Re: translating into Icelandic and Serbian?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am not quite sure I understand you correctly, but then just respond
accordingly.

You will not find anything approximating Icelandic. You can set the
quotes to German quotes. That is the Icelandic convention too.
I don't have FM9. I tried FM8 a couple of years ago, but it was too
limited, and I have since not had any reason to try FM9 out, so I
really don't have much comparison, but having full UTF-8 support, it
should do a fine thing.

Adobe has, however, not added support for Icelandic for this Latin-1
group language for FM. They have (some) Icelandic support in ID, but
spin us up with Eastern Europe languages which are not the least
related (except being Indo-European). So no spellchecking, no
automatic hyphenation and no Thesaurus.

There might be a way around this to save in XML and do the
spellchecking in some Linux/UNIX XML editor using i-spell or a-spell.
Hunspell  for Icelandic is in the pipes, hopefully ready some time
next year.

I would be happy to look into this with you if you like. I have been
using Structured FM7.2 for three different layouts of Icelandic New
Testament, Psalms and Proverbia for the Icelandic Gideons.

XML language settings are IS/is for Icelandic.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland.


2010/3/23 LW White :
>
>
> Using Frame9, DITA. A client translates into Icelandic and Serbian (among 
> many other languages) but these are the only two that do not have 
> corresponding Language values. What should be my approach--should I select 
> the "closest" available language (that being a gray area, I fear) or is there 
> some plug-in I should install? I installed support for all languages when I 
> installed Frame. What are folks translating into these languages currently 
> doing?
>
> Thanks,
> Leigh
>
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Printing to PS and distilling to PDF question

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks, Dov. Very illuminating.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2010/3/8 Dov Isaacs :
> A few comments about this issue:
>
> (1) ? ? The Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance used to create PDF
> explicitly by printing or implicitly by the FrameMaker "save as PDF"
> feature has a special option in its "driver plug-in" component labeled
> "Rely on system fonts only; do not use document fonts." This option is
> accessed as follows from the "Adobe PDF" printer:
>
> ? ? ? ?Adobe PDF=>Properties=>Advanced (tab)=>Printing Defaults=>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Adobe PDF Settings (tab)
>
> as well as from:
>
> ? ? ? ?Adobe PDF=>Properties=>General (tab)=>Printing Preferences=>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Adobe PDF Settings (tab)
>
> Both of these areas need to be set the same way although usually, setting
> via the Printing Defaults method sets the Printing Preferences (but don't
> count on it!).
>
> (2) ? ? The function of this option is (supposedly) very simple. If the
> option is enabled, the driver does not put any fonts into the PostScript
> stream to be distilled. Why is this important or useful? It turns out that
> the PostScript generated by the Windows PostScript driver, PSCRIPT5, and
> especially the inclusion of fonts in that PostScript stream, is optimized
> for consumption by a PostScript printer, not for creation of PDF. The
> driver includes incrementally downloaded font fragments which is not
> optimal for the Distiller and could cause problems later in a workflow
> when trying to merge PDF file fragments together. When this option is
> checked on, the driver puts no fonts in the PostScript; the Distiller
> itself finds the fonts and puts them into the PDF file in a more
> cohesive, organized manner.
>
> (3) ? ? There are situations, however, that cause problems The first of these
> situation is when fonts are passed through to the driver by what is known
> as the driver "PostScript escape mechanism." This is the means by which
> EPS (or by extension, PDF) placed in a FrameMaker document is passed through
> the driver to the final PostScript stream and many such EPS (or PDF) files
> have embedded fonts which are then encountered by the driver. In FrameMaker 9,
> if you don't use the RGB option for the "save as PDF" feature, FrameMaker's
> UNIX PostScript generator (the entity responsible for creating CMYK 
> PostScript)
> also embed fonts in the PostScript stream it in generating. In either case, if
> the driver senses these fonts being passed through when the "rely on system
> fonts only" option is enabled, it throws up (guess that's a good way of
> putting it) the error message requiring you to turn off that option.
>
> (4) ? ? The second problematic situation is that of applications that 
> privately
> install fonts. There are two examples of this. Microsoft Office application
> documents have the ability to carry embedded TrueType and OpenType (TrueType
> flavor only) fonts if and only if such fonts allow full embedability. When
> Office applications open such documents, they privately install those
> embedded fonts for your use while editing the document. Similarly, if you
> try to print a font sample for a font that isn't installed on your system
> (i.e., you double-click on a font icon and print from the font preview
> presented by Windows), the font preview function temporarily privately 
> installs
> the font. The nasty however is that, privately installed fonts are passed 
> through
> Windows GDI and the driver (resulting in their embedding in the PostScript 
> stream),
> but cannot be seen by the Distiller which is run in a separate system process
> and cannot access (or even know about) the privately installed fonts. In this
> situation, you don't know what's going on until you get either a Distiller 
> warning
> or error (depending upon you joboptions).
>
> (5) ? ? There is a known bug in the Acrobat updater that totally resets all 
> your
> printer settings for the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer driver instance every
> time you update Acrobat. These days, in order to stay ahead of the hackers, 
> the
> Acrobat group at Adobe has been issuing updates on an almost monthly basis 
> which
> means that every time you update Acrobat, you had better follow that with 
> resetting
> all the "Adobe PDF" settings to your own preference. That includes the default
> joboptions used for the distillation process.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
> ? ? ? ?- Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tammy Van Boening
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:07 AM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.co

Re: Printing to PS and distilling to PDF question

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks, Dov. Very illuminating.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2010/3/8 Dov Isaacs :
> A few comments about this issue:
>
> (1)     The Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance used to create PDF
> explicitly by printing or implicitly by the FrameMaker "save as PDF"
> feature has a special option in its "driver plug-in" component labeled
> "Rely on system fonts only; do not use document fonts." This option is
> accessed as follows from the "Adobe PDF" printer:
>
>        Adobe PDF=>Properties=>Advanced (tab)=>Printing Defaults=>
>                        Adobe PDF Settings (tab)
>
> as well as from:
>
>        Adobe PDF=>Properties=>General (tab)=>Printing Preferences=>
>                        Adobe PDF Settings (tab)
>
> Both of these areas need to be set the same way although usually, setting
> via the Printing Defaults method sets the Printing Preferences (but don't
> count on it!).
>
> (2)     The function of this option is (supposedly) very simple. If the
> option is enabled, the driver does not put any fonts into the PostScript
> stream to be distilled. Why is this important or useful? It turns out that
> the PostScript generated by the Windows PostScript driver, PSCRIPT5, and
> especially the inclusion of fonts in that PostScript stream, is optimized
> for consumption by a PostScript printer, not for creation of PDF. The
> driver includes incrementally downloaded font fragments which is not
> optimal for the Distiller and could cause problems later in a workflow
> when trying to merge PDF file fragments together. When this option is
> checked on, the driver puts no fonts in the PostScript; the Distiller
> itself finds the fonts and puts them into the PDF file in a more
> cohesive, organized manner.
>
> (3)     There are situations, however, that cause problems The first of these
> situation is when fonts are passed through to the driver by what is known
> as the driver "PostScript escape mechanism." This is the means by which
> EPS (or by extension, PDF) placed in a FrameMaker document is passed through
> the driver to the final PostScript stream and many such EPS (or PDF) files
> have embedded fonts which are then encountered by the driver. In FrameMaker 9,
> if you don't use the RGB option for the "save as PDF" feature, FrameMaker's
> UNIX PostScript generator (the entity responsible for creating CMYK 
> PostScript)
> also embed fonts in the PostScript stream it in generating. In either case, if
> the driver senses these fonts being passed through when the "rely on system
> fonts only" option is enabled, it throws up (guess that's a good way of
> putting it) the error message requiring you to turn off that option.
>
> (4)     The second problematic situation is that of applications that 
> privately
> install fonts. There are two examples of this. Microsoft Office application
> documents have the ability to carry embedded TrueType and OpenType (TrueType
> flavor only) fonts if and only if such fonts allow full embedability. When
> Office applications open such documents, they privately install those
> embedded fonts for your use while editing the document. Similarly, if you
> try to print a font sample for a font that isn't installed on your system
> (i.e., you double-click on a font icon and print from the font preview
> presented by Windows), the font preview function temporarily privately 
> installs
> the font. The nasty however is that, privately installed fonts are passed 
> through
> Windows GDI and the driver (resulting in their embedding in the PostScript 
> stream),
> but cannot be seen by the Distiller which is run in a separate system process
> and cannot access (or even know about) the privately installed fonts. In this
> situation, you don't know what's going on until you get either a Distiller 
> warning
> or error (depending upon you joboptions).
>
> (5)     There is a known bug in the Acrobat updater that totally resets all 
> your
> printer settings for the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer driver instance every
> time you update Acrobat. These days, in order to stay ahead of the hackers, 
> the
> Acrobat group at Adobe has been issuing updates on an almost monthly basis 
> which
> means that every time you update Acrobat, you had better follow that with 
> resetting
> all the "Adobe PDF" settings to your own preference. That includes the default
> joboptions used for the distillation process.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
>        - Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tammy Van Boening
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:07 AM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.co

tabs in table cells, eh wot?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Just adding to what Stuart said:

If unstructured, or structured using paragraph tags, make one or two
extra paragraph tags for cells with a right tab  as far to the right
as needed.for the Description column (call it e.g. "CellDescription").
You may also find it helpful to set the right cell margin to 0. Insert
the tab character by ESC-TAB.
If you need continuous dots in the QTY column, just do the same there
except that the left cell margin might need to be set to 0.

If Structured, this can be automated a little more (in a way, similar
to what you do in Ref pages with ToCs etc.

HTH,

Bodvar

2010/2/5 Ken Poshedly :
> Group,
>
> I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over 
> the?Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no 
> luck so far.
>
> The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all 
> formatted the?same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts 
> list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of 
> four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard 
> stuff, eh?)
>
> For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and 
> use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row.
>
> Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very 
> short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description 
> cell so it looks like this:
>
> Item No.?? Part No.?? Description?? 
> Qty
>
> 1 3245676? Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2
>
> (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the 
> idea.)
>
> So the question is whether or not a following tab can?automatically follow 
> the text in each cell of the Description column.
>
> Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the?Format > Paragraphs > 
> Paragraph Designer > tab stops feature).
>
> I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could 
> be adapted, but apparently not.
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Re: tabs in table cells, eh wot?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Just adding to what Stuart said:

If unstructured, or structured using paragraph tags, make one or two
extra paragraph tags for cells with a right tab  as far to the right
as needed.for the Description column (call it e.g. "CellDescription").
You may also find it helpful to set the right cell margin to 0. Insert
the tab character by ESC-TAB.
If you need continuous dots in the QTY column, just do the same there
except that the left cell margin might need to be set to 0.

If Structured, this can be automated a little more (in a way, similar
to what you do in Ref pages with ToCs etc.

HTH,

Bodvar

2010/2/5 Ken Poshedly :
> Group,
>
> I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over 
> the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no 
> luck so far.
>
> The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all 
> formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts 
> list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of 
> four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard 
> stuff, eh?)
>
> For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and 
> use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row.
>
> Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very 
> short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description 
> cell so it looks like this:
>
> Item No.   Part No.   Description   
> Qty
>
> 1 3245676  Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2
>
> (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the 
> idea.)
>
> So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically follow 
> the text in each cell of the Description column.
>
> Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format > Paragraphs > 
> Paragraph Designer > tab stops feature).
>
> I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could 
> be adapted, but apparently not.
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I have come across such anomalies. Then it has had to do with imported
documents, like OLE linked Visio files or imported pdf files made on
another system (older version of M$ Windoze, usually).

I have just ignored it and everything will print OK. Never had a real
problem with it.

It seems as Windows is saying: "Gotcha! You have a different version
of Windoze installed than the file you are importing was made in. Same
font - some different connections in Registry. Your tough luck."

Don't you just like Windoze?

Bodvar

2010/1/11  :
> Hmmm ... now the console is telling me:
>
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
> ?"Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
> ?"Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
> ?"Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
> ?"Arial" will be used in this session.
>
> Huhn?!? I know I have Arial, of course ... and if this font were not
> available to begin with, how could FM 8 say "will be used in this
> session"?
>
> So the above is quite confusing to me now.
>
> A MIF wash did not solve anything, turning off the 'missing font ...' in
> the Preferences is not allowing me to come back and re-edit the file
> without the error.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:34 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Framers
> Subject: RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"
>
> I forgot to mention that I already have the fonts in the families listed
> below - all of them are on my computer!
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
> Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
> To: Framers
> Subject: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I am getting stumped with something I thought would be simple (has been
> so in the past).
>
> A contact sent me a book (in FM 7 format) that I am attempting to read
> into FM 8 ... to fix a page numbering and contents/index problem.
>
> Whenever I open two of the files in the book, I get an "Unavailable
> font" message on the console (saying that ArialMT is not available and
> Arial will be used in its place - this is after I tell it to read in the
> file and substitue).
>
> So, I do so, and then save the file ... but it happens again on the very
> next file open! Of course, I am unable to regen the contents and index
> pages since "a font is unavailable".
>
> I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
> only see the following unique entries for font familes:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> The MIF file does not even have the ArialMT entry to fix permanently!
>
> What am I overlooking and how do I solve this issue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z
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Re: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I have come across such anomalies. Then it has had to do with imported
documents, like OLE linked Visio files or imported pdf files made on
another system (older version of M$ Windoze, usually).

I have just ignored it and everything will print OK. Never had a real
problem with it.

It seems as Windows is saying: "Gotcha! You have a different version
of Windoze installed than the file you are importing was made in. Same
font - some different connections in Registry. Your tough luck."

Don't you just like Windoze?

Bodvar

2010/1/11  :
> Hmmm ... now the console is telling me:
>
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
>  "Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
>  "Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
>  "Arial" will be used in this session.
> The "Arial" Font is not available.
>  "Arial" will be used in this session.
>
> Huhn?!? I know I have Arial, of course ... and if this font were not
> available to begin with, how could FM 8 say "will be used in this
> session"?
>
> So the above is quite confusing to me now.
>
> A MIF wash did not solve anything, turning off the 'missing font ...' in
> the Preferences is not allowing me to come back and re-edit the file
> without the error.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:34 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Framers
> Subject: RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"
>
> I forgot to mention that I already have the fonts in the families listed
> below - all of them are on my computer!
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
> Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
> To: Framers
> Subject: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I am getting stumped with something I thought would be simple (has been
> so in the past).
>
> A contact sent me a book (in FM 7 format) that I am attempting to read
> into FM 8 ... to fix a page numbering and contents/index problem.
>
> Whenever I open two of the files in the book, I get an "Unavailable
> font" message on the console (saying that ArialMT is not available and
> Arial will be used in its place - this is after I tell it to read in the
> file and substitue).
>
> So, I do so, and then save the file ... but it happens again on the very
> next file open! Of course, I am unable to regen the contents and index
> pages since "a font is unavailable".
>
> I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
> only see the following unique entries for font familes:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> The MIF file does not even have the ArialMT entry to fix permanently!
>
> What am I overlooking and how do I solve this issue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z
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Frame 9 MAJOR BUG

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Backing up is easy:

When I started as "self-employed" earlier this year I bought me a
500GB HD in a USB connected housing for a few bucks, then downloaded
the free Cobian Backup 9 and set it to full backup once a month and a
daily incremental backup. The good thing about Cobian Backup is that
you don't need any specific backup system to retrieve the backed up
files. They are kept just as any regular files on your computer. :-)

And you can also add this even if you are an employee of a company.

Have a blessed and prosperous 2010.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland


2009/12/30 Shmuel Wolfson :
> For this reason and other reasons, it's a good idea to zip up each days
> work, and save it with the date in the filename. This way you can always
> revert to the previous day's work.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
>
> Galanter, Lea wrote:
>> I'm not sure how to report this, but Frame 9 just crashed on me when I
>> had two files open (named About Blah and Configuring Blah), and when I
>> re-opened both files, they were exactly the same. That means, I totally
>> lost all the text in one of the files. I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7
>> and I was working in the Configuring Blah file and selected Conditional
>> Text to apply a condition to some text. Frame crashed and then re-opened
>> itself. When Frame opened the Configuring Blah chapter.recover file, all
>> my original text was gone and replaced with the text from the About Blah
>> chapter! Even the Configuring Blah.backup file had been converted to the
>> text from the About Blah.backup file.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know if anyone else has ever experienced this problem, but this
>> is major. Assuming I can even get the previous version from my company's
>> source control, this is still hours and hours of work to re-create. This
>> is a major bug in Frame. How do I report it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lea Galanter
>>
>> Lead Technical Editor and Writer
>>
>> F T I Technology
>>
>> lea.galanter at fticonsulting.com <mailto:asinclaire at attenex.com>
>>
>> www.ftitechnology.com <http://www.attenex.com/>
>>
>> Phone: 206-689-4438
>>
>>
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Re: Frame 9 MAJOR BUG

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Backing up is easy:

When I started as "self-employed" earlier this year I bought me a
500GB HD in a USB connected housing for a few bucks, then downloaded
the free Cobian Backup 9 and set it to full backup once a month and a
daily incremental backup. The good thing about Cobian Backup is that
you don't need any specific backup system to retrieve the backed up
files. They are kept just as any regular files on your computer. :-)

And you can also add this even if you are an employee of a company.

Have a blessed and prosperous 2010.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland


2009/12/30 Shmuel Wolfson :
> For this reason and other reasons, it's a good idea to zip up each days
> work, and save it with the date in the filename. This way you can always
> revert to the previous day's work.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
>
> Galanter, Lea wrote:
>> I'm not sure how to report this, but Frame 9 just crashed on me when I
>> had two files open (named About Blah and Configuring Blah), and when I
>> re-opened both files, they were exactly the same. That means, I totally
>> lost all the text in one of the files. I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7
>> and I was working in the Configuring Blah file and selected Conditional
>> Text to apply a condition to some text. Frame crashed and then re-opened
>> itself. When Frame opened the Configuring Blah chapter.recover file, all
>> my original text was gone and replaced with the text from the About Blah
>> chapter! Even the Configuring Blah.backup file had been converted to the
>> text from the About Blah.backup file.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know if anyone else has ever experienced this problem, but this
>> is major. Assuming I can even get the previous version from my company's
>> source control, this is still hours and hours of work to re-create. This
>> is a major bug in Frame. How do I report it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lea Galanter
>>
>> Lead Technical Editor and Writer
>>
>> F T I Technology
>>
>> lea.galan...@fticonsulting.com <mailto:asincla...@attenex.com>
>>
>> www.ftitechnology.com <http://www.attenex.com/>
>>
>> Phone: 206-689-4438
>>
>>
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SGML Parsing error - ATA iSpec 2200

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Tracey,

All the elements seem rather familiar to me, but it is a long time
since I worked with anything in SGML. ;-)

The revst and revend are empty elements -- (start element  and
end element:  and no closing element according to the old SGML
standard -- this is how you seem to do it) -- intended for starting
and ending a revision marking (revision bar or a letter outside of the
text frame, usually) and need to be empty elements in SGML/XML DTD,
because they must be able to start anywhere within another element
contaning revisable contents.

I am not quite familiar with the Read/Write rules, but these elements
should be matched by some kind of an empty element in the EDD or a
marker that could trigger the same effect, i. e. revision bar (Change
Bar) or the like. I see that you have been inserting text into the
element (or the Read/Write rules are doing that). I think I would need
to have a look at your EDD in order to comment further, but I fear, if
you have an EDD that covers rather much of the ATA2200 options, it
will be huge. Anyway, what you have in the EDD for starting and ending
the revision markings must be (AFAIK) translateble (is that English?)
into an empty SGML element.

One other thing: I see that chg = "N". Would that mean that there is
no change in this element and its subelements? Is that overriding
anything?

I am not sure this is helping much, but I hope so. :-)

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland
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--Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund)


2009/10/30 Les Smalley :
> I'm not familiar with those DTDs, but there is something out of whack in how 
> your FM file is being marked up, or perhaps exported.? You can make sure that 
> FM writes out end tags by checking the SGML declaration (see what is used in 
> the application definitions file) and setting MINIMIZE SHORTTAG to NO in the 
> FEATURES section
>
> What are revst and revend supposed to denote as empty elements - are they 
> intended to be some sort of markers, do they have required attributes, etc.
>
> If you have access to the EDD, make sure that the element definitions
> for revst, revend and para are correct. Especially para - does it (or a
> parent element) EXCLUDE revst or revend?? Exclusions take precedence over 
> inclusions...
>
>
> Is your application using the default Import/Export client, or was there some 
> customized client added?? If the latter, speak with the programmer as this 
> error could be caused by the custom client, plus the client could be enhanced 
> to specifically address this error.? ?Also look at the Read/Write rules - 
> there could be problems there as well.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> ? Les
>
> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, COTRONEO Tracey  
> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm working with several ATA iSpec 2200 DTDs and trying to save my .fm
> files to SGML and receiving the following error:
>
> ???"End tag (para) implied by the start tag (revst); not declared minimizable"
>
> This is my sgml output:
>
> ? ?  seq = "000" pgblknbr = "4" chg = "N" key = "C25_S24_S01_P04_ID9" revdate
> = "20070831">
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? Installations of the APU Generator
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? Replace the .
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? Make sure the ...
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? Torque the nuts .
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
>
> The  and  elements are inclusions in the DTD and are defined 
> as:
>
> ? ? 
> ? ? 
>
> Please HELP ME!
>
> regards
>
> Tracey Cotroneo
> Technical Publication Specialist
> BAE Systems Australia
>
>
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Re: SGML Parsing error - ATA iSpec 2200

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Tracey,

All the elements seem rather familiar to me, but it is a long time
since I worked with anything in SGML. ;-)

The revst and revend are empty elements -- (start element  and
end element:  and no closing element according to the old SGML
standard -- this is how you seem to do it) -- intended for starting
and ending a revision marking (revision bar or a letter outside of the
text frame, usually) and need to be empty elements in SGML/XML DTD,
because they must be able to start anywhere within another element
contaning revisable contents.

I am not quite familiar with the Read/Write rules, but these elements
should be matched by some kind of an empty element in the EDD or a
marker that could trigger the same effect, i. e. revision bar (Change
Bar) or the like. I see that you have been inserting text into the
element (or the Read/Write rules are doing that). I think I would need
to have a look at your EDD in order to comment further, but I fear, if
you have an EDD that covers rather much of the ATA2200 options, it
will be huge. Anyway, what you have in the EDD for starting and ending
the revision markings must be (AFAIK) translateble (is that English?)
into an empty SGML element.

One other thing: I see that chg = "N". Would that mean that there is
no change in this element and its subelements? Is that overriding
anything?

I am not sure this is helping much, but I hope so. :-)

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland
-- 
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--Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund)


2009/10/30 Les Smalley :
> I'm not familiar with those DTDs, but there is something out of whack in how 
> your FM file is being marked up, or perhaps exported.  You can make sure that 
> FM writes out end tags by checking the SGML declaration (see what is used in 
> the application definitions file) and setting MINIMIZE SHORTTAG to NO in the 
> FEATURES section
>
> What are revst and revend supposed to denote as empty elements - are they 
> intended to be some sort of markers, do they have required attributes, etc.
>
> If you have access to the EDD, make sure that the element definitions
> for revst, revend and para are correct. Especially para - does it (or a
> parent element) EXCLUDE revst or revend?  Exclusions take precedence over 
> inclusions...
>
>
> Is your application using the default Import/Export client, or was there some 
> customized client added?  If the latter, speak with the programmer as this 
> error could be caused by the custom client, plus the client could be enhanced 
> to specifically address this error.   Also look at the Read/Write rules - 
> there could be problems there as well.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> – Les
>
> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, COTRONEO Tracey  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm working with several ATA iSpec 2200 DTDs and trying to save my .fm
> files to SGML and receiving the following error:
>
>    "End tag (para) implied by the start tag (revst); not declared minimizable"
>
> This is my sgml output:
>
>      seq = "000" pgblknbr = "4" chg = "N" key = "C25_S24_S01_P04_ID9" revdate
> = "20070831">
>     
>     
>     
>     Installations of the APU Generator
>     
>     
>     
>     Replace the .
>     
>     
>     
>     Make sure the ...
>     
>     
>     
>     
>     Torque the nuts .
>     
>     
>     
>     
>     
>     
>
> The  and  elements are inclusions in the DTD and are defined 
> as:
>
>     
>     
>
> Please HELP ME!
>
> regards
>
> Tracey Cotroneo
> Technical Publication Specialist
> BAE Systems Australia
>
>
>
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Strategy for reading list

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Gordon,

Glad you found the list and found it so helpful. Hopefully you will
find it as helpful as many of us on the list. :-)

I have for several years kept all my FrameMaker related mail on my
Gmail account, mostly with automatic labeling that Gmail provides.
Including other mail it accounts to more than 10,000 mails and still
using just over 10% of my mail quota, but in Gmail everything is
threaded, inbox mail with sent mail, so it is my first spot to search
for any help on FM matters.

You can probably do something similar with other mail agents, but I
have not come across anything better suited for the job than Gmail.

Until you get a lot piled up in your kept mail, you can, of course
just google your problems, which will very often lead you to the
discussions on the list, and you can search the archives, (which took
a bit longer when I tried the last time, which was several years ago).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2009/10/26 Gordon Maney :
> I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit
> I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using
> lists such as this.
>
> It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my
> way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me.
> It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read
> absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken.
>
> My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can
> best understand the flow of content and follow topics?
>
> Thank you,
> Gordon Maney
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Re: Strategy for reading list

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Gordon,

Glad you found the list and found it so helpful. Hopefully you will
find it as helpful as many of us on the list. :-)

I have for several years kept all my FrameMaker related mail on my
Gmail account, mostly with automatic labeling that Gmail provides.
Including other mail it accounts to more than 10,000 mails and still
using just over 10% of my mail quota, but in Gmail everything is
threaded, inbox mail with sent mail, so it is my first spot to search
for any help on FM matters.

You can probably do something similar with other mail agents, but I
have not come across anything better suited for the job than Gmail.

Until you get a lot piled up in your kept mail, you can, of course
just google your problems, which will very often lead you to the
discussions on the list, and you can search the archives, (which took
a bit longer when I tried the last time, which was several years ago).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2009/10/26 Gordon Maney :
> I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit
> I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using
> lists such as this.
>
> It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my
> way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me.
> It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read
> absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken.
>
> My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can
> best understand the flow of content and follow topics?
>
> Thank you,
> Gordon Maney
>
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Tile page with new version number

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I'd go with Art on this, but there is a question if you really need
the revision number as a part of the file name? (And a good rule of
thumb: don't use spaces or in file names, althoug allowed in Windows,
and no dots other than before file endings. The one does not work well
with *nix and the other with many Windows applications).

I used to do this, but it makes revision work very tedious if you got
a long list of files within a book. What I did was to turn to
SVN/TortoiseSVN versioning database and keep all the files in there.
You can keep the file names constant which makes all referenced files
happy, and it is SO easy to work with.

HOWEVER: If I am misunderstanding you, and you are talking about an
autogenerated list, I usually create a text frame on each page that
has a different revision number that the previous and put a
Header/Footer $1 (or Header/Footer $2) marker in there populated with
the revision number (and the other with the revision date, if need be)
and then use Silicon Prairie's LEP tool to make (or prepare for) the
autogenerated List of Markers.

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2009/10/22 Art Campbell :
> I don't know that this is how yours is set up, but if it was me, I'd
> right-click on the component file in the book file, select Rename, and
> change the name to 3.1.
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> ? I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>>
>>
>> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title 
>> page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>>
>> For example:
>> ?Book File partial list
>>
>> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
>> ? 3.0 Title Page.fm
>> ? Front_Matter.fm
>> ? ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
>> ? Preface.fm
>> ? Ho to Use Book.fm
>>
>>
>> So ?-- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>>
>> I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.
>>
>> Thanks for any insight to this.
>>
>> Sue Curtzwiler
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Re: Tile page with new version number

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I'd go with Art on this, but there is a question if you really need
the revision number as a part of the file name? (And a good rule of
thumb: don't use spaces or in file names, althoug allowed in Windows,
and no dots other than before file endings. The one does not work well
with *nix and the other with many Windows applications).

I used to do this, but it makes revision work very tedious if you got
a long list of files within a book. What I did was to turn to
SVN/TortoiseSVN versioning database and keep all the files in there.
You can keep the file names constant which makes all referenced files
happy, and it is SO easy to work with.

HOWEVER: If I am misunderstanding you, and you are talking about an
autogenerated list, I usually create a text frame on each page that
has a different revision number that the previous and put a
Header/Footer $1 (or Header/Footer $2) marker in there populated with
the revision number (and the other with the revision date, if need be)
and then use Silicon Prairie's LEP tool to make (or prepare for) the
autogenerated List of Markers.

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2009/10/22 Art Campbell :
> I don't know that this is how yours is set up, but if it was me, I'd
> right-click on the component file in the book file, select Rename, and
> change the name to 3.1.
>
> Art Campbell
>               art.campb...@gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>                                                      No disclaimers apply.
>                                                               DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
>> Hi all
>>   I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>>
>>
>> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title 
>> page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>>
>> For example:
>>  Book File partial list
>>
>> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
>>   3.0 Title Page.fm
>>   Front_Matter.fm
>>   ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
>>   Preface.fm
>>   Ho to Use Book.fm
>>
>>
>> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>>
>> I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.
>>
>> Thanks for any insight to this.
>>
>> Sue Curtzwiler
>> susa...@vmc.comu
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Adobe's upgrade rort

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of
several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the
issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2.

For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-System?

Dov, don't read this: The price difference between "feuds" (read:
countries) is a total discrimination and should be fought against by
the UN.

My 2p worth.

Bodvar

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2009/10/19 Michael M?ller-Hillebrand :
> Wow, I learn new vocabulary on this list. My dictionary tells me:
>
>> rort |r?rt|
>> noun Austral., informal
>> 1 [often with adj. ] a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice : a
>> tax rort.
>> 2 a wild party.
>
>
> I assume you are not talking about the admission fee to a wild upgrade
> party ;-)
>
> The price difference was noted in other places as well, but... as Dov
> pointed out, it is the responsibility of product management to find
> the "right" price. There is the concept of value-based pricing; each
> company is trying to optimize the profit by charging as much as
> possible without reducing the buying rate. If strategic considerations
> like "do nothing that loyal, existing customers might consider unfair"
> are always weighed in as much as we would like, I don't know.
>
> In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only
> version, and an international version which could be installed with
> English, French, German, or Japanese UI. I don't know if that is still
> true.
>
> In the end it comes down to value: If the upgrade price is too high,
> you have to skip it.
>
> - Michael
>
>
> Am 18.10.2009 um 21:40 schrieb Alan Litchfield:
>
>> Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the
>> upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515
>> for the same thing for International customers.
>>
>> There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if
>> shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for
>> shipping a small box anyway.
>>
>> No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly
>> no one on the helpdesk.
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Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of
several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the
issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2.

For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-System?

Dov, don't read this: The price difference between "feuds" (read:
countries) is a total discrimination and should be fought against by
the UN.

My 2p worth.

Bodvar

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2009/10/19 Michael Müller-Hillebrand :
> Wow, I learn new vocabulary on this list. My dictionary tells me:
>
>> rort |rɔrt|
>> noun Austral., informal
>> 1 [often with adj. ] a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice : a
>> tax rort.
>> 2 a wild party.
>
>
> I assume you are not talking about the admission fee to a wild upgrade
> party ;-)
>
> The price difference was noted in other places as well, but... as Dov
> pointed out, it is the responsibility of product management to find
> the "right" price. There is the concept of value-based pricing; each
> company is trying to optimize the profit by charging as much as
> possible without reducing the buying rate. If strategic considerations
> like "do nothing that loyal, existing customers might consider unfair"
> are always weighed in as much as we would like, I don't know.
>
> In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only
> version, and an international version which could be installed with
> English, French, German, or Japanese UI. I don't know if that is still
> true.
>
> In the end it comes down to value: If the upgrade price is too high,
> you have to skip it.
>
> - Michael
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> Am 18.10.2009 um 21:40 schrieb Alan Litchfield:
>
>> Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the
>> upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515
>> for the same thing for International customers.
>>
>> There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if
>> shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for
>> shipping a small box anyway.
>>
>> No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly
>> no one on the helpdesk.
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Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Yes, with FM 7 / 7.2, but luckily without any disaster that I know of,
thank God. I ususally start with Find, and as FM defaults to book, if
the book is open, I sometimes get stuck for a while while FM opens and
closes maybe hundreds of files before I am allowed to do anything.

I would call this a bug, not a feature, because if the default was the
open file, it would oftentimes only take a fraction of the time it
> takes for Find or Replace to browse through the whole book. :-( Something 
> lacking in structuring of the layout of the feature. IMHO, the programmers 
> seem not to have taken human behaviour sufficiently into consideration.

A very dangerous feature, indeed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

>
> 2009/10/14 David Dorbin :
>> Argh.
>>
>> Before I had Frame 9, I had Frame 7, and I used to would Find things thusly:
>>
>> 1. Press Ctrl-f
>> 2. Start typing the text to find.
>> 3. Press Enter.
>>
>> Now in Frame 9, when I press ctrl-f, the Find/Change pod displays, but the
>> cursor is rarely waiting there in the text box. In fact, the "focus" seems
>> to be unpredictable.
>>
>> This has bitten me a few times already. I hit ctrl-f and start typing, and
>> Frame decides that I meant to do a global search and replace. It might be
>> that I'm typing "c" and that activates the Change button. Lucky for me, I've
>> usually got the Document rather than the Book radio button selected, so it
>> only makes the change in the current chapter. And I can do a quick Undo
>> Replace.
>>
>> Lucky until today, that is. This time the Book radio button was lit up, and
>> Frame replaced x with y 27 times across all chapter files. And it opens each
>> one, makes the changes, and closes it, so there is no Undo. I had to open up
>> each of 18 chapter files, search for the replace text, evaluate each
>> occurrence with my actual mind to see if was one of the inadvertent
>> replacements, and fix it back.
>>
>> Anyone else experienced this? Any advice, other than to slow down and to
>> rely less on keyboard shortcuts?
>>
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Re: Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Yes, with FM 7 / 7.2, but luckily without any disaster that I know of,
thank God. I ususally start with Find, and as FM defaults to book, if
the book is open, I sometimes get stuck for a while while FM opens and
closes maybe hundreds of files before I am allowed to do anything.

I would call this a bug, not a feature, because if the default was the
open file, it would oftentimes only take a fraction of the time it
> takes for Find or Replace to browse through the whole book. :-( Something 
> lacking in structuring of the layout of the feature. IMHO, the programmers 
> seem not to have taken human behaviour sufficiently into consideration.

A very dangerous feature, indeed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

>
> 2009/10/14 David Dorbin :
>> Argh.
>>
>> Before I had Frame 9, I had Frame 7, and I used to would Find things thusly:
>>
>> 1. Press Ctrl-f
>> 2. Start typing the text to find.
>> 3. Press Enter.
>>
>> Now in Frame 9, when I press ctrl-f, the Find/Change pod displays, but the
>> cursor is rarely waiting there in the text box. In fact, the "focus" seems
>> to be unpredictable.
>>
>> This has bitten me a few times already. I hit ctrl-f and start typing, and
>> Frame decides that I meant to do a global search and replace. It might be
>> that I'm typing "c" and that activates the Change button. Lucky for me, I've
>> usually got the Document rather than the Book radio button selected, so it
>> only makes the change in the current chapter. And I can do a quick Undo
>> Replace.
>>
>> Lucky until today, that is. This time the Book radio button was lit up, and
>> Frame replaced x with y 27 times across all chapter files. And it opens each
>> one, makes the changes, and closes it, so there is no Undo. I had to open up
>> each of 18 chapter files, search for the replace text, evaluate each
>> occurrence with my actual mind to see if was one of the inadvertent
>> replacements, and fix it back.
>>
>> Anyone else experienced this? Any advice, other than to slow down and to
>> rely less on keyboard shortcuts?
>>
>> Dave D.
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Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Multiple undo is already included in 7.2, bu 7.2 does not accept
unicode, which is almost a must for other languages than English,
German or French (and maybe a couple of other langages).
Better Dita support and a few other things.

Other than the language thing, I too find it hard to justify the cost
to the management. And as we are writing in English only...

As for the other question, some people are using FM 6 today, so FM 7.2
should not be a problem as such in the next few years.

I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-)

Brgds,

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2009/9/30 Flato, Gillian :
> Multiple undos, track changes.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
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>
> Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9
> trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the
> c0st to my management.
>
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>
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Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Multiple undo is already included in 7.2, bu 7.2 does not accept
unicode, which is almost a must for other languages than English,
German or French (and maybe a couple of other langages).
Better Dita support and a few other things.

Other than the language thing, I too find it hard to justify the cost
to the management. And as we are writing in English only...

As for the other question, some people are using FM 6 today, so FM 7.2
should not be a problem as such in the next few years.

I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-)

Brgds,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2009/9/30 Flato, Gillian :
> Multiple undos, track changes.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Gillian Flato
> Technical Writer (Software)
> nanometrics
> 1550 Buckeye Dr.
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
> (408.545.6316
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
>
> Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9
> trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the
> c0st to my management.
>
> Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with
> FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by?
>
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>> <http://www.collabnet.com> ?for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. ? ? ? Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2. ? ? ? How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3. ? ? ? How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4. ? ? ? Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
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Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>> <http://www.collabnet.com>  for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.       Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2.       How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3.       How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4.       Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
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Multiple toc in a book file?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Gary,

I have done it as you suggest, listing the Chapter ToCs within the
main ToC, but you may not need to. You will have to decide what is
important with your own books.

Bodvar

2009/8/27 Gary Bankston :
> So when you do the front of the book TOC, do you also list the Chapter TOC
> or start with the first heading in that specific chapter?
>
> Gary
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/8/27 Studio Smalbro :
>> > Is it possible to have more than one toc in a book file? Am running FM 7
>> >
>> > best regards
>> > Bj?rn
>>
>> No problem at all, and you can place them wherever you want in the book.
>> I have done a lot of books with chapter ToCs for each chapter and a
>> book ToC. Another book ToC should not be a problem either.
>>
>> What will you be using it for?
>>
>> Brgds,
>>
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Multiple toc in a book file?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

2009/8/27 Studio Smalbro :
> Is it possible to have more than one toc in a book file? Am running FM 7
>
> best regards
> Bj?rn

No problem at all, and you can place them wherever you want in the book.
I have done a lot of books with chapter ToCs for each chapter and a
book ToC. Another book ToC should not be a problem either.

What will you be using it for?

Brgds,

Bodvar

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Re: Multiple toc in a book file?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Gary,

I have done it as you suggest, listing the Chapter ToCs within the
main ToC, but you may not need to. You will have to decide what is
important with your own books.

Bodvar

2009/8/27 Gary Bankston :
> So when you do the front of the book TOC, do you also list the Chapter TOC
> or start with the first heading in that specific chapter?
>
> Gary
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/8/27 Studio Smalbro :
>> > Is it possible to have more than one toc in a book file? Am running FM 7
>> >
>> > best regards
>> > Bjørn
>>
>> No problem at all, and you can place them wherever you want in the book.
>> I have done a lot of books with chapter ToCs for each chapter and a
>> book ToC. Another book ToC should not be a problem either.
>>
>> What will you be using it for?
>>
>> Brgds,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
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Re: Multiple toc in a book file?

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2009/8/27 Studio Smalbro :
> Is it possible to have more than one toc in a book file? Am running FM 7
>
> best regards
> Bjørn

No problem at all, and you can place them wherever you want in the book.
I have done a lot of books with chapter ToCs for each chapter and a
book ToC. Another book ToC should not be a problem either.

What will you be using it for?

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Automatic Output Generation of FrameMaker Documents

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Fei Min,

Have you considered FrameScript? There are a lot of guys on this list
that could help with that (not me, though :-( ).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson



2009/8/17 Fei Min Lorente :
> We're in the final (hopefully) stages of setting up our FrameMaker
> documentation set of manuals to generate PDF and HTML files as part of a
> nightly build, and the programmers are somewhat surprised at how
> difficult this has been. We have FrameMaker 7.2 running on Windows XP.
> We're using Mif2Go to create the output files, and the scripting
> language is Python. Just out of curiosity, who else out there is
> automatically generating their output, and what tools are you using?
>
> Fei Min
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Diagonal line in a header cell

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Stephen,

The only thing I can think of is to make an anchored frame in the cell
and locate it outside the frame, then move it over the cell and make a
diagonal line touching the middle of the cell border lines (corners).
Then resize the frame and locate it so that it will show the whole
line.

If you have more tables that need the same line just copy and paste
the anchored frame.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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2009/8/11 Stephen O'Brien :
> Hi,
>
> I have a table with titles in the header area and
> also in the left column (let's say the headers
> are stats and the lines are cities), and would
> like the header cell in the upper left corner to
> have a diagonal line from top left to bottom
> right where I could type Stats above the diagonal
> and Cities below as titles for the 2 sets of headers.
>
> This seems a common presentation style to me. I
> can't figure out how to make a good clean
> diagonal that really goes from cell corner to
> cell corner simply - or do I have to insert an anchored frame, etc.
>
> Any ideas are appreciated.
>
> Thanks everyone and have a good day.
>
> Stephen O'Brien
> R?dacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
> InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
> 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
> Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6
>
> Tel.: (418) 688-2061
> Fax: (418) 688-3001
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OT: log out, logout or log off logoff

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Even if I am an Icelander (= a foreigner as to English), I would say
that combined in one word each referenced item is a noun. So when you
log in (out) you have the state of login (logout), as in a "login
window".

Bodvar
:-/


2009/8/17 Andersen, Verner Engell VEA :
> What do you call it when you exit a program and return to the main log
> in screen:
>
> log out, logout or
>
> log off, logoff
>
> Best regards,
> Verner
> 
>
>
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> Akandevej 21
> 2700 Bronshoj
> Denmark
> Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
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Re: Automatic Output Generation of FrameMaker Documents

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Fei Min,

Have you considered FrameScript? There are a lot of guys on this list
that could help with that (not me, though :-( ).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson



2009/8/17 Fei Min Lorente :
> We're in the final (hopefully) stages of setting up our FrameMaker
> documentation set of manuals to generate PDF and HTML files as part of a
> nightly build, and the programmers are somewhat surprised at how
> difficult this has been. We have FrameMaker 7.2 running on Windows XP.
> We're using Mif2Go to create the output files, and the scripting
> language is Python. Just out of curiosity, who else out there is
> automatically generating their output, and what tools are you using?
>
> Fei Min
>
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Re: Diagonal line in a header cell

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Stephen,

The only thing I can think of is to make an anchored frame in the cell
and locate it outside the frame, then move it over the cell and make a
diagonal line touching the middle of the cell border lines (corners).
Then resize the frame and locate it so that it will show the whole
line.

If you have more tables that need the same line just copy and paste
the anchored frame.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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2009/8/11 Stephen O'Brien :
> Hi,
>
> I have a table with titles in the header area and
> also in the left column (let's say the headers
> are stats and the lines are cities), and would
> like the header cell in the upper left corner to
> have a diagonal line from top left to bottom
> right where I could type Stats above the diagonal
> and Cities below as titles for the 2 sets of headers.
>
> This seems a common presentation style to me. I
> can't figure out how to make a good clean
> diagonal that really goes from cell corner to
> cell corner simply - or do I have to insert an anchored frame, etc.
>
> Any ideas are appreciated.
>
> Thanks everyone and have a good day.
>
> Stephen O'Brien
> Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
> InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
> 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
> Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6
>
> Tel.: (418) 688-2061
> Fax: (418) 688-3001
> E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com
> www.innovmetric.com
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Re: OT: log out, logout or log off logoff

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Even if I am an Icelander (= a foreigner as to English), I would say
that combined in one word each referenced item is a noun. So when you
log in (out) you have the state of login (logout), as in a "login
window".

Bodvar
:-/


2009/8/17 Andersen, Verner Engell VEA :
> What do you call it when you exit a program and return to the main log
> in screen:
>
> log out, logout or
>
> log off, logoff
>
> Best regards,
> Verner
> 
>
>
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Akandevej 21
> 2700 Bronshoj
> Denmark
> Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
> CVR: 27 50 91 85
> www.radiometer.com
> For the latest trends in acute care testing, go to Radiometer's knowledge 
> site www.acutecaretesting.org
>
>
>
> 
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[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Syed,

I suspect this figure is made in TeX/LaTeX or some other application
using a special font for this purpose. You might probably find a font
somewhere but most likely at a cost.

TeX/LaTeX comes for free as in beer and as in speech, including a lot of fonts.

So, not much help here. :-(

Bodvar

2009/6/15  :
> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.
>
>
>
> How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
> the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:
>
>
>
> "h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
> MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"
>
>
>
> (All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
> not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
> spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)
>
>
>
> The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
> delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
> working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
> to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
> the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.
>
>
>
> I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
> on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
> editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
> messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
> drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...
>
>
>
> I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
> result, by the way.
>
>
>
> Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Z
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Re:

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Syed,

I suspect this figure is made in TeX/LaTeX or some other application
using a special font for this purpose. You might probably find a font
somewhere but most likely at a cost.

TeX/LaTeX comes for free as in beer and as in speech, including a lot of fonts.

So, not much help here. :-(

Bodvar

2009/6/15  :
> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.
>
>
>
> How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
> the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:
>
>
>
> "h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
> MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"
>
>
>
> (All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
> not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
> spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)
>
>
>
> The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
> delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
> working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
> to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
> the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.
>
>
>
> I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
> on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
> editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
> messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
> drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...
>
>
>
> I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
> result, by the way.
>
>
>
> Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Z
>
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Big and Little Endians [was: Re: Procedure How to Write a Manual!]

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Now I finally understand and, consequently revoke my warning words
against using 'endianess' in a manual. :D

What? I understand it, why shouldn't everyone else? :-/

B??var
-- Enlightened on a Friday

2009/5/22 Jeremy H. Griffith :
> On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:36:11 +, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>  wrote:
>
>>Regarding the "endianess", I had a problem some 13 years ago with some
>>UNIX software that was supposed to work on Linux. It did not. I sent a
>>query to an Icelandic guy on the "Basic Linux Training" list I
>>subscribed to and he came up with a solution. Then he expained to me
>>that there was a difference between Linux an UNIX that one used big
>>endian and the other little endian in the same code of software.
>
> In current computer systems, there are two kinds of
> "endianess", called "LSB (Least Significant Byte)
> first" and "MSB (Most Significant Byte) first".
> For any given system, what determines this is not
> the operating system (Linux, Windows, etc.), it's
> the processor (CPU). ?All Intel CPUs are LSB first;
> others, like Sun SPARC and Motorola 68K, are MSB
> first. ?So Linux on a Sun SPARC would be MSB first,
> but on an Intel box it would be LSB first.
>
> Technically, the difference is indeed *byte* order,
> not *bit* order (which is constant). ?Suppose you
> have a hex number 0xABCD. ?The most significant
> byte is 0xAB; the least significant byte is 0xCD.
> Now imagine that you store this number in memory
> at address 0. ?;-) ?You will get:
>
> Location ?SPARC ?Intel
>  ?0xAB ? 0xCD
> 0001 ?0xCD ? 0xAB
>
> Well-designed programs where portability matters
> will work with *either* CPU. ?They do this by not
> caring what the storage order in memory is, and
> always accessing multibyte numbers through a set
> of functions that work regardless of byte order.
> For example, Mif2Go was originally developed on
> a Sun SPARC system, then ported to Windows very
> easily because it followed those design rules.
>
> There's actually a third flavor, but it was used
> only on the DEC PDP-11. ?Since the last of those
> is probably in the Smithsonian, you won't see it
> in current software. ?It is the same as Intel
> for two-byte numbers (shorts) but switches the
> byte pairs for 4-byte numbers (longs). ?So the
> number 0x12345678 is 0x34, 0x12, 0x78, 0x56.
>
> Endianness also affects Unicode, in the UTF-16
> and UTF-32 encodings of it, but *not* in UTF-8.
> It is the reason for the UTF-16 BOM (Byte Order
> Mark), U+FEFF, ?In UTF-16 Big-endian (MSB first),
> the bytes are 0xFE 0xFF. ?In UTF-16 Little-endian
> (LSB first), they are 0xFF 0xFE. ?UTF-32 adds two
> zero bytes, before it for Big and after for Little.
>
> The Unicode BOM may also be used as an encoding
> signature, but I digress... ? ;-) ?Good thing
> it's Friday, eh?
>
> HTH!
>
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Re: Big and Little Endians [was: Re: Procedure How to Write a Manual!]

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Now I finally understand and, consequently revoke my warning words
against using 'endianess' in a manual. :D

What? I understand it, why shouldn't everyone else? :-/

Böðvar
-- Enlightened on a Friday

2009/5/22 Jeremy H. Griffith :
> On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:36:11 +, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>  wrote:
>
>>Regarding the "endianess", I had a problem some 13 years ago with some
>>UNIX software that was supposed to work on Linux. It did not. I sent a
>>query to an Icelandic guy on the "Basic Linux Training" list I
>>subscribed to and he came up with a solution. Then he expained to me
>>that there was a difference between Linux an UNIX that one used big
>>endian and the other little endian in the same code of software.
>
> In current computer systems, there are two kinds of
> "endianess", called "LSB (Least Significant Byte)
> first" and "MSB (Most Significant Byte) first".
> For any given system, what determines this is not
> the operating system (Linux, Windows, etc.), it's
> the processor (CPU).  All Intel CPUs are LSB first;
> others, like Sun SPARC and Motorola 68K, are MSB
> first.  So Linux on a Sun SPARC would be MSB first,
> but on an Intel box it would be LSB first.
>
> Technically, the difference is indeed *byte* order,
> not *bit* order (which is constant).  Suppose you
> have a hex number 0xABCD.  The most significant
> byte is 0xAB; the least significant byte is 0xCD.
> Now imagine that you store this number in memory
> at address 0.  ;-)  You will get:
>
> Location  SPARC  Intel
>   0xAB   0xCD
> 0001  0xCD   0xAB
>
> Well-designed programs where portability matters
> will work with *either* CPU.  They do this by not
> caring what the storage order in memory is, and
> always accessing multibyte numbers through a set
> of functions that work regardless of byte order.
> For example, Mif2Go was originally developed on
> a Sun SPARC system, then ported to Windows very
> easily because it followed those design rules.
>
> There's actually a third flavor, but it was used
> only on the DEC PDP-11.  Since the last of those
> is probably in the Smithsonian, you won't see it
> in current software.  It is the same as Intel
> for two-byte numbers (shorts) but switches the
> byte pairs for 4-byte numbers (longs).  So the
> number 0x12345678 is 0x34, 0x12, 0x78, 0x56.
>
> Endianness also affects Unicode, in the UTF-16
> and UTF-32 encodings of it, but *not* in UTF-8.
> It is the reason for the UTF-16 BOM (Byte Order
> Mark), U+FEFF,  In UTF-16 Big-endian (MSB first),
> the bytes are 0xFE 0xFF.  In UTF-16 Little-endian
> (LSB first), they are 0xFF 0xFE.  UTF-32 adds two
> zero bytes, before it for Big and after for Little.
>
> The Unicode BOM may also be used as an encoding
> signature, but I digress...   ;-)  Good thing
> it's Friday, eh?
>
> HTH!
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>    http://www.omsys.com/
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Error when updating Side-head tag in flow WITH side-heads

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Have you had a look at all your Master Pages? There might be one that
you are not using but is assigned to text flow (A).

Bodvar


2009/5/22 Lin Sims :
> There's no doubt something I'm missing here, but for the life of me I
> don't know what it might be.
>
> I have a document with one text flow (A) that has been defined with
> side-heads, and the side-heads are enabled.
> I have paragraph tags that are defined as "Across all columns and side-heads".
>
> When I update one of these paragraph tags, I get a warning:
>
> ? ? ? ? ?You applied a side-head paragraph format to a paragraph in a
> flow that does not have room for side heads.
> ? ? ? ? ?For the main flow of the document, use the Format>Page
> Layout> Column Layout command to turn on room for side heads.
>
> Using Clean Import to reimport the Master Pages with "remove
> overrides" enabled has not fixed the problem.
> Washing through MIF has also not worked.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Specs:
>
> FM 8.277
> Windows XP Pro SP3
> (More plugins than you can shake a stick at, but they've been
> installed for almost a year and this only started happening
> yesterday.)
>
> Dell computer
> 2.40 GHz, Intel 2 Quad CPU
> 3.25 GB RAM
>
> (Here's hoping the US holiday weekend hasn't seen EVERYONE take the day off!)
> --
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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I agree that the writer must love the language, but he/she must
refrain from using "words such as 'transmogrify'" unless there is a
very good reason for it _and_ you have the word explained in the
"Terms and Definitions" section. ;-)
Have KISS in mind - as much as practicable, when writing technical manuals.

Regarding the "endianess", I had a problem some 13 years ago with some
UNIX software that was supposed to work on Linux. It did not. I sent a
query to an Icelandic guy on the "Basic Linux Training" list I
subscribed to and he came up with a solution. Then he expained to me
that there was a difference between Linux an UNIX that one used big
endian and the other little endian in the same code of software. The
first time I saw the term(s) I thought this must be a misspelling,
knowing that programmers often have weird kind of humor. What would it
be they referred to as Indians?

To this day I have not had any explanation understandable to me what
the real difference is. Neither have i had any problems with little or
big endians (or any sort of Indians) since. ;-)

Bodvar

2009/5/20 Reid Gray :
> I think the list agrees that not just anybody can write a good manual. ?And 
> "No," writers cannot be just "anybody." ?They must be committed, they need to 
> love language, and as Annie Dillard says "...you really need to like 
> words...words such as 'transmogrify'"
>
> Or, if you will extend the metaphor to IT, "endianess."
>
> The best writing happens as a collective effort with the writer at the 
> center. So, for example, take manuals. To write a good manual, one needs:
> 1. Subject matter experts for authoritative content
> 2. Enthusiastic reviewers who know the audience and have exposure to the 
> subject matter
> 3. Editors who know the language
> 4. The technical writer
>
> Trying as a single individual to serve in roles 1 through 4 is possible, but 
> the more 'eyes' you have scanning the pages the better the expected outcome. 
> ?This is especially true if you are writing complete books, manuals, and 
> periodicals, from scratch.
>
> There is also an equally beneficial flip side to this postulate. If you find 
> either "transmogrify" or "endianess" to be ugly, and if you think anybody in 
> particular can plant a garden, repair an automobile, or write a technical 
> manual, you might be management material.
>
> 
>
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Richard Melanson
> Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 9:21 AM
> To: Robert Shelton; Avraham Makeler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Shelton
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:32 PM
> To: Avraham Makeler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon
>> Burton
>>
>> This is easy. 14 steps:
>>
>> 1. Identify the audience
>> 2. Identify the information needs of that audience (job aids, user
>> guides, and so on) 3. Identify the tasks the audience needs to do 4.
>> Identify the supporting info the audience needs to do those tasks 5.
>> Identify the best way to deliver the information (PDF, help, others)
>> 6. Create a plan that layout all this information 7. Assign time
>> estimates to the plan 8. Decide what can be cut due to time
>> limitations 9.
>> Start creating the information, adapting to the changing product 10.
>> Review by others 11. Make the review changes 12.
>> Build "gold" candidates 13. Deliver the finals 14. Archive the finals,
>
>> including all planning information
>>
>> Of course, these steps include a lot of embedded steps and domain
>> knowledge in our field. But these are the steps.
>
> I think you skipped something important:
>
> 1. Hire a tech writer.
>
> Bob
> "Let what comes, come,
> Let what goes, go,
> Find out what remains."
> Sri Ramana Maharshi
>
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Re: Error when updating Side-head tag in flow WITH side-heads

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Have you had a look at all your Master Pages? There might be one that
you are not using but is assigned to text flow (A).

Bodvar


2009/5/22 Lin Sims :
> There's no doubt something I'm missing here, but for the life of me I
> don't know what it might be.
>
> I have a document with one text flow (A) that has been defined with
> side-heads, and the side-heads are enabled.
> I have paragraph tags that are defined as "Across all columns and side-heads".
>
> When I update one of these paragraph tags, I get a warning:
>
>          You applied a side-head paragraph format to a paragraph in a
> flow that does not have room for side heads.
>          For the main flow of the document, use the Format>Page
> Layout> Column Layout command to turn on room for side heads.
>
> Using Clean Import to reimport the Master Pages with "remove
> overrides" enabled has not fixed the problem.
> Washing through MIF has also not worked.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Specs:
>
> FM 8.277
> Windows XP Pro SP3
> (More plugins than you can shake a stick at, but they've been
> installed for almost a year and this only started happening
> yesterday.)
>
> Dell computer
> 2.40 GHz, Intel 2 Quad CPU
> 3.25 GB RAM
>
> (Here's hoping the US holiday weekend hasn't seen EVERYONE take the day off!)
> --
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Re: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I agree that the writer must love the language, but he/she must
refrain from using "words such as 'transmogrify'" unless there is a
very good reason for it _and_ you have the word explained in the
"Terms and Definitions" section. ;-)
Have KISS in mind - as much as practicable, when writing technical manuals.

Regarding the "endianess", I had a problem some 13 years ago with some
UNIX software that was supposed to work on Linux. It did not. I sent a
query to an Icelandic guy on the "Basic Linux Training" list I
subscribed to and he came up with a solution. Then he expained to me
that there was a difference between Linux an UNIX that one used big
endian and the other little endian in the same code of software. The
first time I saw the term(s) I thought this must be a misspelling,
knowing that programmers often have weird kind of humor. What would it
be they referred to as Indians?

To this day I have not had any explanation understandable to me what
the real difference is. Neither have i had any problems with little or
big endians (or any sort of Indians) since. ;-)

Bodvar

2009/5/20 Reid Gray :
> I think the list agrees that not just anybody can write a good manual.  And 
> "No," writers cannot be just "anybody."  They must be committed, they need to 
> love language, and as Annie Dillard says "...you really need to like 
> words...words such as 'transmogrify'"
>
> Or, if you will extend the metaphor to IT, "endianess."
>
> The best writing happens as a collective effort with the writer at the 
> center. So, for example, take manuals. To write a good manual, one needs:
> 1. Subject matter experts for authoritative content
> 2. Enthusiastic reviewers who know the audience and have exposure to the 
> subject matter
> 3. Editors who know the language
> 4. The technical writer
>
> Trying as a single individual to serve in roles 1 through 4 is possible, but 
> the more 'eyes' you have scanning the pages the better the expected outcome.  
> This is especially true if you are writing complete books, manuals, and 
> periodicals, from scratch.
>
> There is also an equally beneficial flip side to this postulate. If you find 
> either "transmogrify" or "endianess" to be ugly, and if you think anybody in 
> particular can plant a garden, repair an automobile, or write a technical 
> manual, you might be management material.
>
> 
>
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Richard Melanson
> Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 9:21 AM
> To: Robert Shelton; Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Shelton
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:32 PM
> To: Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon
>> Burton
>>
>> This is easy. 14 steps:
>>
>> 1. Identify the audience
>> 2. Identify the information needs of that audience (job aids, user
>> guides, and so on) 3. Identify the tasks the audience needs to do 4.
>> Identify the supporting info the audience needs to do those tasks 5.
>> Identify the best way to deliver the information (PDF, help, others)
>> 6. Create a plan that layout all this information 7. Assign time
>> estimates to the plan 8. Decide what can be cut due to time
>> limitations 9.
>> Start creating the information, adapting to the changing product 10.
>> Review by others 11. Make the review changes 12.
>> Build "gold" candidates 13. Deliver the finals 14. Archive the finals,
>
>> including all planning information
>>
>> Of course, these steps include a lot of embedded steps and domain
>> knowledge in our field. But these are the steps.
>
> I think you skipped something important:
>
> 1. Hire a tech writer.
>
> Bob
> "Let what comes, come,
> Let what goes, go,
> Find out what remains."
> Sri Ramana Maharshi
>
>
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Procedure How to Write a Manual

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On Facebook this would be tagged "Like!" by many.
:-)

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/5/18  :
> If anyone can write a manual, why do you need to write a procedure for doing 
> it?
>
> Let your boss do it if he thinks it's so easy.
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Motivating end users to read the user manual

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Agree with Shmuel. This is common in "higher" technical documentation,
called Revision Highlights or Highlights of Changes or similar.
Sometimes sent as a transmittal letter accompanying the distributed
manual, and sometimes more like a part of the manual front matter
pages.

Bodvar

2009/5/19 Shmuel Wolfson :
> I still say you have to figure out a way to make it easier for them to
> find the information that has changed, without rereading the entire
> manual. Perhaps you could list a version history with what's new in each
> version. Then you could ask the engineer to check the version history
> and read the related sections of the manual before complaining that it
> doesn't work.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> Garnier Garnier wrote:
>> Hello Nancy/Shmuel/Sharon,& others,
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I handle documentation for the EDA (Electronic 
>> Design Automation) industry. All user/reference/training manuals are very 
>> technical so am not sure if having a separate dos and don?t's page(s) would 
>> help because it will vary with each design and with simulator/synthesizer 
>> that the user selects for the simulation or synthesis. Still thanks for the 
>> suggestion I will try to explore the same.
>>
>> I agree with Nancy as the management support is definitely important. I am 
>> not defending myself. Whenver a new recruit has to go through the training 
>> as part of induction they are able to simulate each of the design convered 
>> in the training material. Since the new recruits are not aware of the 
>> product they end up reading each page of the training material and able to 
>> perform each step as required- like changing the block parameters before 
>> simulation or compiling the imported blocks before adding to the design for 
>> simulation etc. Whereas the existing field engineers are aware of the 
>> product so never bother to read the contents. For example one of the 
>> engineers attempted to perform C simulation for a design with imported 
>> blocks. This is because any design with imported blocks needs to be compiled 
>> separately before adding it to the design and then one needs to run 
>> Co-simulation or RTL Simulation. In this case C simulation will fail. This 
>> concept is clearly
>> ?documented but the engineer kept sending nasty mails complaining that the 
>> design is faulty. I then sent him the page number of the material wherein 
>> the instructions are clearly mentioned. After that he did not bother to 
>> respond because he could then run the simulations successfully. Or the 
>> Engineer attempting to run the tool on a RHEL version that we do not 
>> support. The S/W and H/W requirements are clearly documented still whatever 
>> is available at the client end they attempt to run the designs on that OS. 
>> There are many such similar cases. During my appraisal this issue was 
>> brought up and I have been asked to find methods as to how I can compel the 
>> engineers to read the contents. How can I when the engineer is overconfident 
>> about his knowledge about the product? It is for the managers to bring this 
>> up. ?As already mentioned the new recruits have never complained and used 
>> the same training material to understand the product/module whereas the 
>> existing
>> ?engineers are constantly complaining. The saddest part is whenever there is 
>> a feature addition/modification the contents are immediately updated and 
>> mails sent to all engineers with a request to exercise the new/modified 
>> features and also provide feedback. Nobody responds. When they go for 
>> customer training they start using the new feature without reading the 
>> modified contents. Assuming the working of a feature and actual working of a 
>> feature are different. When a feature does not yeild the required results 
>> because of the modifications then I start receiving harsh mails that the 
>> designs are not working as expected. Since I handle the training material 
>> all the barbs are directed to me even if the design is faulty for which the 
>> R&D is responsible. Though a writer over a period of time I have gained 
>> sufficient knowledge about the product so always test each feature myself 
>> before making it available to Engineers. Now I am definitely at a loss as to 
>> how the
>> ?situation can be improved. As Nancy suggested the head of the Engineers 
>> should pressurize them to do their homework before visiting the customers 
>> for training or use the material during their free time to understand the 
>> module and also provide feedback for further improvement. Looks like I am 
>> asking for the impossible as this never happens.
>>
>> Thanks once again to each one of you.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Garnier
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nancy Allison [mailto:maker at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:11 PM
>> To: garnier_framescript at yahoo.co.in
>> Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the use

Re: Procedure How to Write a Manual

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On Facebook this would be tagged "Like!" by many.
:-)

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/5/18  :
> If anyone can write a manual, why do you need to write a procedure for doing 
> it?
>
> Let your boss do it if he thinks it's so easy.
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Re: Motivating end users to read the user manual

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Agree with Shmuel. This is common in "higher" technical documentation,
called Revision Highlights or Highlights of Changes or similar.
Sometimes sent as a transmittal letter accompanying the distributed
manual, and sometimes more like a part of the manual front matter
pages.

Bodvar

2009/5/19 Shmuel Wolfson :
> I still say you have to figure out a way to make it easier for them to
> find the information that has changed, without rereading the entire
> manual. Perhaps you could list a version history with what's new in each
> version. Then you could ask the engineer to check the version history
> and read the related sections of the manual before complaining that it
> doesn't work.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> Garnier Garnier wrote:
>> Hello Nancy/Shmuel/Sharon,& others,
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I handle documentation for the EDA (Electronic 
>> Design Automation) industry. All user/reference/training manuals are very 
>> technical so am not sure if having a separate dos and don’t's page(s) would 
>> help because it will vary with each design and with simulator/synthesizer 
>> that the user selects for the simulation or synthesis. Still thanks for the 
>> suggestion I will try to explore the same.
>>
>> I agree with Nancy as the management support is definitely important. I am 
>> not defending myself. Whenver a new recruit has to go through the training 
>> as part of induction they are able to simulate each of the design convered 
>> in the training material. Since the new recruits are not aware of the 
>> product they end up reading each page of the training material and able to 
>> perform each step as required- like changing the block parameters before 
>> simulation or compiling the imported blocks before adding to the design for 
>> simulation etc. Whereas the existing field engineers are aware of the 
>> product so never bother to read the contents. For example one of the 
>> engineers attempted to perform C simulation for a design with imported 
>> blocks. This is because any design with imported blocks needs to be compiled 
>> separately before adding it to the design and then one needs to run 
>> Co-simulation or RTL Simulation. In this case C simulation will fail. This 
>> concept is clearly
>>  documented but the engineer kept sending nasty mails complaining that the 
>> design is faulty. I then sent him the page number of the material wherein 
>> the instructions are clearly mentioned. After that he did not bother to 
>> respond because he could then run the simulations successfully. Or the 
>> Engineer attempting to run the tool on a RHEL version that we do not 
>> support. The S/W and H/W requirements are clearly documented still whatever 
>> is available at the client end they attempt to run the designs on that OS. 
>> There are many such similar cases. During my appraisal this issue was 
>> brought up and I have been asked to find methods as to how I can compel the 
>> engineers to read the contents. How can I when the engineer is overconfident 
>> about his knowledge about the product? It is for the managers to bring this 
>> up.  As already mentioned the new recruits have never complained and used 
>> the same training material to understand the product/module whereas the 
>> existing
>>  engineers are constantly complaining. The saddest part is whenever there is 
>> a feature addition/modification the contents are immediately updated and 
>> mails sent to all engineers with a request to exercise the new/modified 
>> features and also provide feedback. Nobody responds. When they go for 
>> customer training they start using the new feature without reading the 
>> modified contents. Assuming the working of a feature and actual working of a 
>> feature are different. When a feature does not yeild the required results 
>> because of the modifications then I start receiving harsh mails that the 
>> designs are not working as expected. Since I handle the training material 
>> all the barbs are directed to me even if the design is faulty for which the 
>> R&D is responsible. Though a writer over a period of time I have gained 
>> sufficient knowledge about the product so always test each feature myself 
>> before making it available to Engineers. Now I am definitely at a loss as to 
>> how the
>>  situation can be improved. As Nancy suggested the head of the Engineers 
>> should pressurize them to do their homework before visiting the customers 
>> for training or use the material during their free time to understand the 
>> module and also provide feedback for further improvement. Looks like I am 
>> asking for the impossible as this never happens.
>>
>> Thanks once again to each one of you.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Garnier
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nancy Allison [mailto:ma...@verizon.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:11 PM
>> To: garnier_framescr...@yahoo.co.in
>> Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the user manu

FM to Acrobat conversion disaster

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

David,

I see that you have received a perfect answer, but I would just like
to add that the size you are talking about is the standard European
A4. (conversion between inches and cm: 2.54:1).

Bodvar

2009/5/18 David Schor :
> Desperation time. I have a situation that's turning my hair white.
>
> Trying to PDF a 8.27" by 11.69" from my FrameMaker 7.2 docs via Distiller 9
> to Acrobat 9.
> For some reason, the PDF comes out 11.00" instead of 11.69" cutting off my
> headers and footers.
> I've searched for all locations of Distiller job obtions on my hard disk,
> and all 3 locations have the same joboption file content.
>
> However, in FrameMaker, in the Print>PDF Settings>PDF Job Options list box,
> the list of job options is incomplete. Somehow, I suspect that the problem
> may lie here somewhere. When I click set, I get a message stating "The
> selected PDF job option does not exist in the current installation. Either
> create this job option or select an available job option. Continue?"
>
> AARGH!
>
> Please help. Deadline has passed and it's not funny.
>
> TIA very much,
> David
>
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embedding base 14 fonts

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Sorry for rather aged reference (not exactly recommended by me, though). :-(

Oddly enough this was the very first reference that came up by Google.
Actually the ref is since 2003.
The main thing issue for me was to explain the name of the collection
and the reason why Acrobat may default not to not embed these fonts.

Here is another reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#Base_14_fonts

I have been using Acrobat 4 through 8 and I have not seen any
difference in the standard behaviour of the versions regarding these
fonts, but always followed the rules, especially emphasized by our
dear Shlomo Peretz: to embed all fonts, no exceptions (in spite of
what Wikipedia and others say) because various printers with the base
14 fonts installed may not always have them behaving 100% the same as
what you will see on your screen with your (default) printer settings.
I have come across differences which can be annoying.

Keep to the rule of embedding all fonts unless you are just making the
pdf for web wiew for relatively new Windows computers only.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/5/18 Fred Ridder :
>
> For the record, the site Bodvar recommends souldn't be
> considered?definitive. It contains several inaccuracies, and it is badly out
> of date--the newest version of Acrobat that is mentioned anywhere is 6.0,
> and most of the specific instructions refer to versions 4.0 and 5.0, which
> are roughly a decade old.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:55:29 +
>> Subject: Re: embedding base 14 fonts
>> From: bodvar at gmail.com
>> To: poshedly at bellsouth.net
>> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> Some info:
>>
>> http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/base14fonts.htm
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> 2009/5/16 Ken Poshedly :
>> > The pdf I created for press publication of a quarterly journal for a
>> > nonprofit organization does not have all fonts -- especially base 14
>> > fonts -- embedded, which is required by the out-of-state printer we are
>> > using.
>> >
>> > I checked the settings in Distiller 9.0 and "Embed all fonts" is
>> > checked. But base 14 fonts are exempt.
>> >
>> > The printer rep said they can do the embedding for a surcharge, but
>> > I'd rather not go that route.
>> >
>> > I've read up a much as I could handle on base 14 fonts, and have seen
>> > something called "PDF enhancer" by Apago, which runs $199 for the
>> > Standard Edition for Windows, $399 for the Professional Edition, and
>> > lots more for the two server versions. I can't see in their
>> > descriptions which -- if any -- embeds base 14 fonts, plus I'm not
>> > crazy about the pricing either.
>> >
>> > So what to do?
>> >
>> > -- Kenpo in Atlanta
>> >
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embedding base 14 fonts

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Some info:

http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/base14fonts.htm

HTH,

Bodvar

2009/5/16 Ken Poshedly :
> The pdf I created for press publication of a quarterly journal for a
> nonprofit organization does not have all fonts -- especially base 14
> fonts -- embedded, which is required by the out-of-state printer we are using.
>
> I checked the settings in Distiller 9.0 and "Embed all fonts" is
> checked. But base 14 fonts are exempt.
>
> The printer rep said they can do the embedding for a surcharge, but
> I'd rather not go that route.
>
> I've read up a much as I could handle on base 14 fonts, and have seen
> something called "PDF enhancer" by Apago, which runs $199 for the
> Standard Edition for Windows, $399 for the Professional Edition, and
> lots more for the two server versions. I can't see in their
> descriptions which -- if any -- embeds base 14 fonts, plus I'm not
> crazy about the pricing either.
>
> So what to do?
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
>
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Re: FM to Acrobat conversion disaster

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David,

I see that you have received a perfect answer, but I would just like
to add that the size you are talking about is the standard European
A4. (conversion between inches and cm: 2.54:1).

Bodvar

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>
> Trying to PDF a 8.27" by 11.69" from my FrameMaker 7.2 docs via Distiller 9
> to Acrobat 9.
> For some reason, the PDF comes out 11.00" instead of 11.69" cutting off my
> headers and footers.
> I've searched for all locations of Distiller job obtions on my hard disk,
> and all 3 locations have the same joboption file content.
>
> However, in FrameMaker, in the Print>PDF Settings>PDF Job Options list box,
> the list of job options is incomplete. Somehow, I suspect that the problem
> may lie here somewhere. When I click set, I get a message stating "The
> selected PDF job option does not exist in the current installation. Either
> create this job option or select an available job option. Continue?"
>
> AARGH!
>
> Please help. Deadline has passed and it's not funny.
>
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Re: embedding base 14 fonts

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Sorry for rather aged reference (not exactly recommended by me, though). :-(

Oddly enough this was the very first reference that came up by Google.
Actually the ref is since 2003.
The main thing issue for me was to explain the name of the collection
and the reason why Acrobat may default not to not embed these fonts.

Here is another reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#Base_14_fonts

I have been using Acrobat 4 through 8 and I have not seen any
difference in the standard behaviour of the versions regarding these
fonts, but always followed the rules, especially emphasized by our
dear Shlomo Peretz: to embed all fonts, no exceptions (in spite of
what Wikipedia and others say) because various printers with the base
14 fonts installed may not always have them behaving 100% the same as
what you will see on your screen with your (default) printer settings.
I have come across differences which can be annoying.

Keep to the rule of embedding all fonts unless you are just making the
pdf for web wiew for relatively new Windows computers only.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/5/18 Fred Ridder :
>
> For the record, the site Bodvar recommends souldn't be
> considered definitive. It contains several inaccuracies, and it is badly out
> of date--the newest version of Acrobat that is mentioned anywhere is 6.0,
> and most of the specific instructions refer to versions 4.0 and 5.0, which
> are roughly a decade old.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:55:29 +
>> Subject: Re: embedding base 14 fonts
>> From: bod...@gmail.com
>> To: poshe...@bellsouth.net
>> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> Some info:
>>
>> http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/base14fonts.htm
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> 2009/5/16 Ken Poshedly :
>> > The pdf I created for press publication of a quarterly journal for a
>> > nonprofit organization does not have all fonts -- especially base 14
>> > fonts -- embedded, which is required by the out-of-state printer we are
>> > using.
>> >
>> > I checked the settings in Distiller 9.0 and "Embed all fonts" is
>> > checked. But base 14 fonts are exempt.
>> >
>> > The printer rep said they can do the embedding for a surcharge, but
>> > I'd rather not go that route.
>> >
>> > I've read up a much as I could handle on base 14 fonts, and have seen
>> > something called "PDF enhancer" by Apago, which runs $199 for the
>> > Standard Edition for Windows, $399 for the Professional Edition, and
>> > lots more for the two server versions. I can't see in their
>> > descriptions which -- if any -- embeds base 14 fonts, plus I'm not
>> > crazy about the pricing either.
>> >
>> > So what to do?
>> >
>> > -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Re: embedding base 14 fonts

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Some info:

http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/base14fonts.htm

HTH,

Bodvar

2009/5/16 Ken Poshedly :
> The pdf I created for press publication of a quarterly journal for a
> nonprofit organization does not have all fonts -- especially base 14
> fonts -- embedded, which is required by the out-of-state printer we are using.
>
> I checked the settings in Distiller 9.0 and "Embed all fonts" is
> checked. But base 14 fonts are exempt.
>
> The printer rep said they can do the embedding for a surcharge, but
> I'd rather not go that route.
>
> I've read up a much as I could handle on base 14 fonts, and have seen
> something called "PDF enhancer" by Apago, which runs $199 for the
> Standard Edition for Windows, $399 for the Professional Edition, and
> lots more for the two server versions. I can't see in their
> descriptions which -- if any -- embeds base 14 fonts, plus I'm not
> crazy about the pricing either.
>
> So what to do?
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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I am sorry, Deirdre.


2009/4/30 Deirdre Reagan :
> Hi All:
>
> I was just let go from my job today, so I'm signing off this list,

Didn't you get any notice?

> since I'm not really an FM person -- just part of this job.
>

You fooled me! I really thought you were. ;-)

> I want to take a minute to thank all of you for helping me out this
> past year. ?I didn't know FrameMaker AT ALL, and I quickly became the
> go to guru based mainly on the fact that any time we had a question
> about FM, I was able to go to you guys and get the answer quickly.
>

That's wat we all more or less do.

> So thank you all very much and good luck to you all in this economy.
>

Thank you too, and may God bless you in your quest for a new job. Add
FM and other friends on LinkedIn and try to use that as a tool in the
job hunt.

If you don't have a personal copy of FM, try to get one, even older
version, on eBay. It should come cheap, but only buy an unopened copy.

Keep in touch!

All the best,

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Re: Thank you all so much

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I am sorry, Deirdre.


2009/4/30 Deirdre Reagan :
> Hi All:
>
> I was just let go from my job today, so I'm signing off this list,

Didn't you get any notice?

> since I'm not really an FM person -- just part of this job.
>

You fooled me! I really thought you were. ;-)

> I want to take a minute to thank all of you for helping me out this
> past year.  I didn't know FrameMaker AT ALL, and I quickly became the
> go to guru based mainly on the fact that any time we had a question
> about FM, I was able to go to you guys and get the answer quickly.
>

That's wat we all more or less do.

> So thank you all very much and good luck to you all in this economy.
>

Thank you too, and may God bless you in your quest for a new job. Add
FM and other friends on LinkedIn and try to use that as a tool in the
job hunt.

If you don't have a personal copy of FM, try to get one, even older
version, on eBay. It should come cheap, but only buy an unopened copy.

Keep in touch!

All the best,

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HTML Question

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As you have already learned: Frames. Frames are, however, a bit tricky
- you have always to know which frames to activate when you are using
links, etc.

But since you ask this way, it could mean that you are not so familiar
with HTML. Presupposing that, I would point out another way which is
to use tables and set the rowspan attribute of the applicable TD to
the number of rows left in the table. Or you can set up a two cell
table with the sidehead in the (left) cell and add a main table within
the other cell. This is how it was often done in the old days, but
slows the browsers down a bit.

A third way would be to use CSS to fix an area for this "box". Here
there is a steeper learning curve.

For HTML, XML, CSS, see, e.g.: http://www.w3schools.com/ and http://w3.org

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
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2009/3/30  :
> Does anyone know how to set up an HTML web page so that there is one narrow 
> navigation column on the left side of the web page that sits alongside the 
> paragraphs on the right side of the page?
> Sorry to bug you with this, but I just can't figure it out.
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Re: HTML Question

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

As you have already learned: Frames. Frames are, however, a bit tricky
- you have always to know which frames to activate when you are using
links, etc.

But since you ask this way, it could mean that you are not so familiar
with HTML. Presupposing that, I would point out another way which is
to use tables and set the rowspan attribute of the applicable TD to
the number of rows left in the table. Or you can set up a two cell
table with the sidehead in the (left) cell and add a main table within
the other cell. This is how it was often done in the old days, but
slows the browsers down a bit.

A third way would be to use CSS to fix an area for this "box". Here
there is a steeper learning curve.

For HTML, XML, CSS, see, e.g.: http://www.w3schools.com/ and http://w3.org

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic
Iceland

2009/3/30  :
> Does anyone know how to set up an HTML web page so that there is one narrow 
> navigation column on the left side of the web page that sits alongside the 
> paragraphs on the right side of the page?
> Sorry to bug you with this, but I just can't figure it out.
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Off topic - three general documentation questions

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Did you ever hear about duplex printing? ;-)

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/3/17 Bill Swallow :
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> Why on earth would you have blank PDF page? Who's going to take it,
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Re: Off topic - three general documentation questions

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Did you ever hear about duplex printing? ;-)

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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>
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List of Effective Sections

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Hi Kristy,

I would need some more information about how the LEP is built. Is it
built on markers or does it read some hard text or variables from the
pages?

I have several versions, both structured and unstructured, which I
could send you a sample of, if you like (confidential, of course).
Mainly, I go for markers in unstructured and attributes in structured.
Then I rather skip the LEP(LES) and have the TOC read the revision
status of the headings and in order to count for all pages, just add a
dash and the last page number of the main section involved. This
method has been agreed to by the Authorities.

Further, this method helps if you have to convert the document to any
pageless format, like HTML.

Best regards.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/3/9 Kristy Nolan :
> Hi, all!
>
> I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in
> my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has an
> LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, most
> pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, there are
> sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and revision
> date.
>
> The question is how do I "transform" this LEP into an LES (list of
> effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am
> having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each entry
> would be something like "1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09"
>
> The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is
> hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I
> need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know how
> to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on 7.x.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
> Kristy
>
> Kristy Nolan
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Re: List of Effective Sections

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Kristy,

I would need some more information about how the LEP is built. Is it
built on markers or does it read some hard text or variables from the
pages?

I have several versions, both structured and unstructured, which I
could send you a sample of, if you like (confidential, of course).
Mainly, I go for markers in unstructured and attributes in structured.
Then I rather skip the LEP(LES) and have the TOC read the revision
status of the headings and in order to count for all pages, just add a
dash and the last page number of the main section involved. This
method has been agreed to by the Authorities.

Further, this method helps if you have to convert the document to any
pageless format, like HTML.

Best regards.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/3/9 Kristy Nolan :
> Hi, all!
>
> I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in
> my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has an
> LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, most
> pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, there are
> sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and revision
> date.
>
> The question is how do I "transform" this LEP into an LES (list of
> effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am
> having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each entry
> would be something like "1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09"
>
> The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is
> hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I
> need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know how
> to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on 7.x.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
> Kristy
>
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Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

IMHO this is the list where you get all the technical assistance you
need anyway. For my part, Adobe can stop providing technical support
for the last major release, except for keeping access to the patches.
And that shouldn't cost them much; actually I think they still support
older releases that way.

Bodvar

2009/2/19 Dov Isaacs :
> For most products (FrameMaker included), Adobe stops providing
> technical support for a release as soon the second next release
> is made.
>
> Thus, Adobe currently supports FrameMaker 8 and FrameMaker 9.
> Prior to the recent release of FrameMaker 9, Adobe supported
> FrameMaker 8 and FrameMaker 7.2.
>
>- Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcaller at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:00 PM
>> To: Dov Isaacs; Frame Users
>> Subject: RE: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>>
>> Dov, does Adobe have offical EOL dates on it's products, including how log a
>> version of a product is supported after Adobe stops selling the product?  If
>> so, is this information published?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Diane Gaskill
>> 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:32 PM
>> To: Frame Users
>> Subject: RE: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>>
>>
>> For the record, I personally don't "get a vote" on these types of
>> issues either. One of the issues of selling licenses for older versions
>> has to do with the requirements for continuing technical support for
>> the older versions. But don't get me started on that.
>>
>>   - Dov
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Alan Houser [mailto:arh at groupwellesley.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:54 PM
>> > To: Dov Isaacs
>> > Cc: Frame Users
>> > Subject: Re: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>> >
>> > I don't get a vote, but I would love to see Adobe reconsider this policy
>> > with FrameMaker 9. Historically, even "major" FrameMaker releases were
>> > evolutionary, not revolutionary, in the design and behavior of the
>> > application. While perhaps not ideal, it was reasonably straight-forward
>> > to maintain mixed-version FrameMaker deployments.
>> >
>> > Not so with FrameMaker 9. We have a new user interface, new behaviors
>> > (keyboard shortcuts come to mind), and new functionality. I would not
>> > want to run a mixed FM8/FM9 deployment in an organization. But the
>> > alternative is to upgrade everybody when an organization needs as few as
>> > one new FrameMaker license.
>> >
>> > I acknowledge that Adobe is in business to make a profit, and Adobe
>> > _wants_ everybody to upgrade. But there are costs and side effects of
>> > upgrading, particularly in workgroup deployments. Policies that "force"
>> > upgrades can lead to customer resentment and pursuit of
>> > non-Adobe-sanctioned sales channels.
>> >
>> > Adobe knows its markets far better than I do, but I bet Adobe could
>> > still sell plenty of FM8 seats, with acceptably low cannibalization of
>> > FM9 sales, if FM8 remained in the price book.
>> >
>> > -Alan
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Alan Houser, President
>> > Group Wellesley, Inc.
>> > 412-363-3481
>> > www.groupwellesley.com
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Re: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

IMHO this is the list where you get all the technical assistance you
need anyway. For my part, Adobe can stop providing technical support
for the last major release, except for keeping access to the patches.
And that shouldn't cost them much; actually I think they still support
older releases that way.

Bodvar

2009/2/19 Dov Isaacs :
> For most products (FrameMaker included), Adobe stops providing
> technical support for a release as soon the second next release
> is made.
>
> Thus, Adobe currently supports FrameMaker 8 and FrameMaker 9.
> Prior to the recent release of FrameMaker 9, Adobe supported
> FrameMaker 8 and FrameMaker 7.2.
>
>- Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcal...@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:00 PM
>> To: Dov Isaacs; Frame Users
>> Subject: RE: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>>
>> Dov, does Adobe have offical EOL dates on it's products, including how log a
>> version of a product is supported after Adobe stops selling the product?  If
>> so, is this information published?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Diane Gaskill
>> 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:32 PM
>> To: Frame Users
>> Subject: RE: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>>
>>
>> For the record, I personally don't "get a vote" on these types of
>> issues either. One of the issues of selling licenses for older versions
>> has to do with the requirements for continuing technical support for
>> the older versions. But don't get me started on that.
>>
>>   - Dov
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:54 PM
>> > To: Dov Isaacs
>> > Cc: Frame Users
>> > Subject: Re: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!
>> >
>> > I don't get a vote, but I would love to see Adobe reconsider this policy
>> > with FrameMaker 9. Historically, even "major" FrameMaker releases were
>> > evolutionary, not revolutionary, in the design and behavior of the
>> > application. While perhaps not ideal, it was reasonably straight-forward
>> > to maintain mixed-version FrameMaker deployments.
>> >
>> > Not so with FrameMaker 9. We have a new user interface, new behaviors
>> > (keyboard shortcuts come to mind), and new functionality. I would not
>> > want to run a mixed FM8/FM9 deployment in an organization. But the
>> > alternative is to upgrade everybody when an organization needs as few as
>> > one new FrameMaker license.
>> >
>> > I acknowledge that Adobe is in business to make a profit, and Adobe
>> > _wants_ everybody to upgrade. But there are costs and side effects of
>> > upgrading, particularly in workgroup deployments. Policies that "force"
>> > upgrades can lead to customer resentment and pursuit of
>> > non-Adobe-sanctioned sales channels.
>> >
>> > Adobe knows its markets far better than I do, but I bet Adobe could
>> > still sell plenty of FM8 seats, with acceptably low cannibalization of
>> > FM9 sales, if FM8 remained in the price book.
>> >
>> > -Alan
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Alan Houser, President
>> > Group Wellesley, Inc.
>> > 412-363-3481
>> > www.groupwellesley.com
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Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Google "Framemaker 8 Upgrade" or "Framemaker 8" depending on your
needs and see what you come up with. Just get it confirmed that the
package is original and unopened or has not been previously
registered. Especially if you intent to buy on Ebay, take every
precaution. I got one 6.0 copy cheap on Ebay some three years ago.
Then I only needed the upgrade. There is probably a lot on offer with
the retailers.

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2009/2/17 Amy Barry :
> Good morning, all.
>
>
>
> The company I work for is growing rapidly and requires multiple copies of
> FrameMaker 8. Adobe only offers FM9 now, with the potential to then
> downgrade to 8. Half of our users use 8 and half use 7. Buying in to 9 would
> cause a third option and we are struggling enough with the two. Also, having
> everyone upgrade to 9 is not an option.
>
>
>
> Do any of you know a way for us to get full, legal copies of FrameMaker 8?
> Our IT guy has exhausted his resources.
>
>
>
> If you have any ideas, please respond to me off-list as I am on the daily
> digest version of Framers.
>
>
>
> Thank you kindly.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Amy M. Barry
>
>
>
> Senior Production Specialist
>
> XMCO INC
>
> 5501 Enterprise Ct., Suite 400
>
> Warren, MI 48092
>
> (w) 586-558-8510, ext 110
>
> (f)   586-558-8573
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Re: Desperately Need Legal FrameMaker 8!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Google "Framemaker 8 Upgrade" or "Framemaker 8" depending on your
needs and see what you come up with. Just get it confirmed that the
package is original and unopened or has not been previously
registered. Especially if you intent to buy on Ebay, take every
precaution. I got one 6.0 copy cheap on Ebay some three years ago.
Then I only needed the upgrade. There is probably a lot on offer with
the retailers.

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2009/2/17 Amy Barry :
> Good morning, all.
>
>
>
> The company I work for is growing rapidly and requires multiple copies of
> FrameMaker 8. Adobe only offers FM9 now, with the potential to then
> downgrade to 8. Half of our users use 8 and half use 7. Buying in to 9 would
> cause a third option and we are struggling enough with the two. Also, having
> everyone upgrade to 9 is not an option.
>
>
>
> Do any of you know a way for us to get full, legal copies of FrameMaker 8?
> Our IT guy has exhausted his resources.
>
>
>
> If you have any ideas, please respond to me off-list as I am on the daily
> digest version of Framers.
>
>
>
> Thank you kindly.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Amy M. Barry
>
>
>
> Senior Production Specialist
>
> XMCO INC
>
> 5501 Enterprise Ct., Suite 400
>
> Warren, MI 48092
>
> (w) 586-558-8510, ext 110
>
> (f)   586-558-8573
>
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Changing Paper size in template

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Because Letter size is both shorter and wider than A4, my optical rule
says the margins must be narrower to the sides but maybe a little bit
larger for top and bottom than so often seen in letter size documents.

I think FM does some adapting when changing from letter to A4, but I
usually change the default A4 settings of FM, depending on whether the
pages will be punched or not.
Inside punched 1.5 - 2 cm,
Inside unpunched 1.25-1.5 cm,
Outside 1-1.25 cm,
Top 1-1.25 cm,
Bottom 0.8 -1.5 cm depending on type of contents and whether I am
using footer or not.

This also depends on the type of contents, the font size etc. (too
many things to mention), so that the margins can be up to approx. one
cm larger but very seldom the huge margins that M$Word uses as
default.

Just print out one page and have a look at it (better at some distance).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson



2009/2/8 Caroline Tabach :
> If I am changing the paper size in my documents from letter to A4 which 
> things should I be aware of.
>
> I am changing paper size, and then I suppose margins too.
> What are recommended margins for A4?
>
> Thanks for hints and tips (Frame 7.2)
>
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
>
>
>
> Fax: +972 3 6474681
> Email:   caroline at radcom.com
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Re: Changing Paper size in template

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Because Letter size is both shorter and wider than A4, my optical rule
says the margins must be narrower to the sides but maybe a little bit
larger for top and bottom than so often seen in letter size documents.

I think FM does some adapting when changing from letter to A4, but I
usually change the default A4 settings of FM, depending on whether the
pages will be punched or not.
Inside punched 1.5 - 2 cm,
Inside unpunched 1.25-1.5 cm,
Outside 1-1.25 cm,
Top 1-1.25 cm,
Bottom 0.8 -1.5 cm depending on type of contents and whether I am
using footer or not.

This also depends on the type of contents, the font size etc. (too
many things to mention), so that the margins can be up to approx. one
cm larger but very seldom the huge margins that M$Word uses as
default.

Just print out one page and have a look at it (better at some distance).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson



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> If I am changing the paper size in my documents from letter to A4 which 
> things should I be aware of.
>
> I am changing paper size, and then I suppose margins too.
> What are recommended margins for A4?
>
> Thanks for hints and tips (Frame 7.2)
>
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
>
>
>
> Fax: +972 3 6474681
> Email:   carol...@radcom.com
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> www.protocols.com
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Review of FrameMaker 9

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Sheila. Very helpful indeed. :-)

Bodvar

2009/2/4 Sheila Loring :
> Hi everyone, before you upgrade to FrameMaker 9, read my review at:
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2009/02/framemaker-9-review.html.
> Feel free to leave comments on the blog.
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Modification Date Variable

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You could use a variable. Keep a single page fm file with only one
variable, e.g. IssueDate. Update this and import into the book.

Bodvar

2009/2/5 Joseph :
> Hi all,
>
> In one of the books I am working on, I need to insert a date into each frame
> file when the text is modified. For example, if I add a paragraph to Frame
> File 1.fm, then I need to insert 4/05/09. Since this book consists of
> several hundred frame files, more then one person uses this book, and people
> will forget to update the date manually, I would like to automate this
> process.
>
> At first, I thought the Modification Date variable would address this
> problem. It only updates the date when you make a change to the frame file
> and save. However, I realized that when you perform a book update, the date
> is changed regardless of whether any change occurred in that particular
> frame file (eg creating a TOC or updating a text inset).
>
> Is there a way to set up a variable so it only updates the date when the
> user makes an actual change to an individual frame file, while ignoring
> book-level updates?
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
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Re: Review of FrameMaker 9

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Sheila. Very helpful indeed. :-)

Bodvar

2009/2/4 Sheila Loring :
> Hi everyone, before you upgrade to FrameMaker 9, read my review at:
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2009/02/framemaker-9-review.html.
> Feel free to leave comments on the blog.
>
> --
>
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Re: Modification Date Variable

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You could use a variable. Keep a single page fm file with only one
variable, e.g. IssueDate. Update this and import into the book.

Bodvar

2009/2/5 Joseph :
> Hi all,
>
> In one of the books I am working on, I need to insert a date into each frame
> file when the text is modified. For example, if I add a paragraph to Frame
> File 1.fm, then I need to insert 4/05/09. Since this book consists of
> several hundred frame files, more then one person uses this book, and people
> will forget to update the date manually, I would like to automate this
> process.
>
> At first, I thought the Modification Date variable would address this
> problem. It only updates the date when you make a change to the frame file
> and save. However, I realized that when you perform a book update, the date
> is changed regardless of whether any change occurred in that particular
> frame file (eg creating a TOC or updating a text inset).
>
> Is there a way to set up a variable so it only updates the date when the
> user makes an actual change to an individual frame file, while ignoring
> book-level updates?
>
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>
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by
experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document
> Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
and the offset to something that will not change the line height. Just
remember that this will affect the whole document for everything that
is in Superscript.

Bodvar

2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche :
> Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
> my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
> number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
> but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
> missed that little checkbox.
>
> Callie
>
>
> 
>
>From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
>To: Callie Bertsche
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
>
>
>In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
> turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
>
>Art
>
>Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No
> disclaimers apply.
>
> DoD 358
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
>  wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
> document without
>disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
> footnote, it increases
>the line spacing just for the line that includes the
> footnote reference
>number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
> I'm looking for
>a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
> is solved by
>having a little larger default line spacing, into which
> a footnote ref
>number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
> spacing of the
>paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
> tried adjusting
>the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
> properties, but
>the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
> position to
>Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
> Baseline results in no
>line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
> footnote.
>
>I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
> directly I'll
>receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
> Digest mode.
>Thanks!
>
>Callie Bertsche
>Technical Writer
>
>Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
>
>
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Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by
experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document
> Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
and the offset to something that will not change the line height. Just
remember that this will affect the whole document for everything that
is in Superscript.

Bodvar

2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche :
> Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
> my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
> number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
> but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
> missed that little checkbox.
>
> Callie
>
>
> 
>
>From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
>To: Callie Bertsche
>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
>
>
>In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
> turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
>
>Art
>
>Art Campbell
> art.campb...@gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No
> disclaimers apply.
>
> DoD 358
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
>  wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
> document without
>disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
> footnote, it increases
>the line spacing just for the line that includes the
> footnote reference
>number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
> I'm looking for
>a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
> is solved by
>having a little larger default line spacing, into which
> a footnote ref
>number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
> spacing of the
>paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
> tried adjusting
>the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
> properties, but
>the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
> position to
>Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
> Baseline results in no
>line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
> footnote.
>
>I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
> directly I'll
>receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
> Digest mode.
>Thanks!
>
>Callie Bertsche
>Technical Writer
>
>Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
>
>
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Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
>
> AFTECH
>
> Fiserv Credit Union Division
>
> 455 South Gulph Road, Suite 201
>
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>
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)

Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had the decency to ship a script and
instructions to split the file. So should your ED. Absolutely. Or,
rather do the splitting or changing to pdf themselves.

Not being able to choose a certain tiff page is not a bug in FM. It is
only lack of features. You cannot have everything in one application.

There is a number of apps that can split tiffs out there, some are
expensive some are inexpensive, some even free. Years ago I used the
GPL tiff2pdf utility (console utility, or command line utility as it
is probably called by Windows/DOS enthusiasts). It is very fast and
effective. It will just read the tiff file and output a pdf file. See:
http://www.remotesensing.org/libtiff/man/tiff2pdf.1.html

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/26 Richard Melanson :
> An update or maybe a summation :-)
> The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
> Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
> reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
> the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
> see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water.
>
> Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
> rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
> of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
> my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
> graphics.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
> Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
>
> I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
> again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
> supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
> to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
> multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.
>
> Alan
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>> Richard,
>> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a
>> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd
>> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
> which page to display.
>>
>> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>>
>> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into
>> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so
>
>> you can select which page to display.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers
> apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
>
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Hello Framers,
>>>
>>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to
>>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
> file.
>>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
>>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
>
>>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
> me.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>> You are currently subscribed to Fram

Re: Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
>
> AFTECH
>
> Fiserv Credit Union Division
>
> 455 South Gulph Road, Suite 201
>
> King of Prussia, PA 19406
>
>
>
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Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)

Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had the decency to ship a script and
instructions to split the file. So should your ED. Absolutely. Or,
rather do the splitting or changing to pdf themselves.

Not being able to choose a certain tiff page is not a bug in FM. It is
only lack of features. You cannot have everything in one application.

There is a number of apps that can split tiffs out there, some are
expensive some are inexpensive, some even free. Years ago I used the
GPL tiff2pdf utility (console utility, or command line utility as it
is probably called by Windows/DOS enthusiasts). It is very fast and
effective. It will just read the tiff file and output a pdf file. See:
http://www.remotesensing.org/libtiff/man/tiff2pdf.1.html

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/26 Richard Melanson :
> An update or maybe a summation :-)
> The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
> Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
> reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
> the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
> see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water.
>
> Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
> rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
> of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
> my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
> graphics.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
> Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
>
> I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
> again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
> supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
> to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
> multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.
>
> Alan
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>> Richard,
>> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a
>> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd
>> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
> which page to display.
>>
>> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>>
>> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into
>> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so
>
>> you can select which page to display.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>  art.campb...@gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers
> apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
>
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Hello Framers,
>>>
>>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to
>>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
> file.
>>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
>>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
>
>>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
> me.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.camp

Off List

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered important was 
> that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker whether for solving 
> problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to other lists and 
> discontinued them because so many of the participants were pushing their own 
> personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as opposed to the purpose of the 
> list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda as of 
> late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The questionnaire 
> about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda, but (1) it has 
> promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the green 
> issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker list, 
> let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with personal 
> issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
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Re: Off List

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
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> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda as of 
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> about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda, but (1) it has 
> promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the green 
> issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker list, 
> let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with personal 
> issues.
>
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How do you create a new paragraph after a table?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

If anyone needed to add a couple of lines somewhere in the document
before this table, resulting in moving the table (a small one I
suppose) to the next page, or had to delete some contents resulting in
the opposite direction of move, would you still want this page brake
where you put it originally? If so I would seriously think of
splitting the file instead.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/19 Avraham Makeler :
> Thanks for the responses.
>
>>> You could choose Special> Page Break. The problem with that method is
> that FrameMaker removes the page break anytime you remove overrides.
> What?!  Really?! In Word this is style independent and is a hard break , as
> real as typing "avi" or any ASCII character(s). No way of making a permanent
> page break?
>
> And if I make a Heading style that starts at the start of a page, I will
> have to make a variant like that for H2, H3, H4  and H5.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - avi
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>
>> I have a table *immediately* followed by a heading, the latter being almost
>>> at the end of the page. So I would like to insert a page break before the
>>> heading. How do I do that?
>>>
>>
>> You could choose Special> Page Break. The problem with that method is that
>> FrameMaker removes the page break anytime you remove overrides. So I create
>> a paragraph format called PageBreak and give it a high "space below
>> paragraph" value, such as 500 points. Insert this blank paragraph above your
>> heading and it will force the heading to the top of the next column or page.
>>
>> Alternately, you could fiddle with the "space below" setting for the
>> paragraph style holding the table anchor, or adjust the "space above" for
>> the heading paragraph style, but that either leaves you with an override for
>> your current paragraph style, or forces you to change the value for the
>> paragraph style everywhere in the document. It's best to use paragraph and
>> characters styles as designed, and avoid overriding them.
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>>
>>
>>
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Re: How do you create a new paragraph after a table?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

If anyone needed to add a couple of lines somewhere in the document
before this table, resulting in moving the table (a small one I
suppose) to the next page, or had to delete some contents resulting in
the opposite direction of move, would you still want this page brake
where you put it originally? If so I would seriously think of
splitting the file instead.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/19 Avraham Makeler :
> Thanks for the responses.
>
>>> You could choose Special> Page Break. The problem with that method is
> that FrameMaker removes the page break anytime you remove overrides.
> What?!  Really?! In Word this is style independent and is a hard break , as
> real as typing "avi" or any ASCII character(s). No way of making a permanent
> page break?
>
> And if I make a Heading style that starts at the start of a page, I will
> have to make a variant like that for H2, H3, H4  and H5.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - avi
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>
>> I have a table *immediately* followed by a heading, the latter being almost
>>> at the end of the page. So I would like to insert a page break before the
>>> heading. How do I do that?
>>>
>>
>> You could choose Special> Page Break. The problem with that method is that
>> FrameMaker removes the page break anytime you remove overrides. So I create
>> a paragraph format called PageBreak and give it a high "space below
>> paragraph" value, such as 500 points. Insert this blank paragraph above your
>> heading and it will force the heading to the top of the next column or page.
>>
>> Alternately, you could fiddle with the "space below" setting for the
>> paragraph style holding the table anchor, or adjust the "space above" for
>> the heading paragraph style, but that either leaves you with an override for
>> your current paragraph style, or forces you to change the value for the
>> paragraph style everywhere in the document. It's best to use paragraph and
>> characters styles as designed, and avoid overriding them.
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>>
>>
>>
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OT: question about paragraph reference and section symbols

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

With us, it really depends on the type of manual.

We have chapters, sections and paragraphs, all consecutively numbered,
Chapter, Section and Paragraph (which we control by using numbered
lists). We never use any symbols for sections, and I don't think
symbols are used for this by ATA, FAA or EASA (formerly JAA).
Our references can be to a chapter (Chapter 1), section (Section, 2.1
meaning Chapter 2, section 1, which is the way the section shows
anyway -- or just 2.1), or paragraph (list number) which we refer
alternately to including the Chapter/Section numbers, or, if within
the same (sub)section, just to the list number ("1.a.iv" or "paragraph
1.a.iv"). The reference text (Cross reference format) depends on the
context, "see...", "...above", "see paragraph...", etc.

If the section includes max. three paragraphs (depending on their
length), the paragarphs are usually not numbered and a reference is
then just made to the section.

If your (company's) manuals seem to be using arbitrary numbering
system, just try to find out whether you can set up a logically
unified reference system for your manuals (can be impossible for a
contractor) and what would suite as comfortable numbering system for
that category, and then apply that system to each manual as the
revising job allows.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/1/7 Deirdre Reagan :
> Hi all:
>
> Any aeronautics people on this list?  If yes, (or even if no, feel
> free to weigh in) in text, when referring to another part of the text,
> what is the preferred way to note that reference?
>
> I have two documents -- one refers to "paragraph 5.1" and the other
> refers to [section symbol] 5.1.
>
> Do you all refer to "paragraph," use the section symbol, or use something 
> else?
>
> I would prefer to use the the section symbol, but one of my coworkers
> says that someone would see that symbol and automatically think
> [section symbol] 5.1 refers to an FAA regulation so we should use
> "paragraph."
>
> I think the word "paragraph" is kind of strange and it always makes me
> look twice ("Refer to paragraph 5.1, "Monitoring the Electrical
> System," for more details . . ") -- at the very least, I'd use
> Paragraph 5.1. or Para 5.1.
>
> A quick perusal of the USGPO Style Guide didn't turn anything up, so I
> thought I'd turn to you guys.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: OT: question about paragraph reference and section symbols

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

With us, it really depends on the type of manual.

We have chapters, sections and paragraphs, all consecutively numbered,
Chapter, Section and Paragraph (which we control by using numbered
lists). We never use any symbols for sections, and I don't think
symbols are used for this by ATA, FAA or EASA (formerly JAA).
Our references can be to a chapter (Chapter 1), section (Section, 2.1
meaning Chapter 2, section 1, which is the way the section shows
anyway -- or just 2.1), or paragraph (list number) which we refer
alternately to including the Chapter/Section numbers, or, if within
the same (sub)section, just to the list number ("1.a.iv" or "paragraph
1.a.iv"). The reference text (Cross reference format) depends on the
context, "see...", "...above", "see paragraph...", etc.

If the section includes max. three paragraphs (depending on their
length), the paragarphs are usually not numbered and a reference is
then just made to the section.

If your (company's) manuals seem to be using arbitrary numbering
system, just try to find out whether you can set up a logically
unified reference system for your manuals (can be impossible for a
contractor) and what would suite as comfortable numbering system for
that category, and then apply that system to each manual as the
revising job allows.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/1/7 Deirdre Reagan :
> Hi all:
>
> Any aeronautics people on this list?  If yes, (or even if no, feel
> free to weigh in) in text, when referring to another part of the text,
> what is the preferred way to note that reference?
>
> I have two documents -- one refers to "paragraph 5.1" and the other
> refers to [section symbol] 5.1.
>
> Do you all refer to "paragraph," use the section symbol, or use something 
> else?
>
> I would prefer to use the the section symbol, but one of my coworkers
> says that someone would see that symbol and automatically think
> [section symbol] 5.1 refers to an FAA regulation so we should use
> "paragraph."
>
> I think the word "paragraph" is kind of strange and it always makes me
> look twice ("Refer to paragraph 5.1, "Monitoring the Electrical
> System," for more details . . ") -- at the very least, I'd use
> Paragraph 5.1. or Para 5.1.
>
> A quick perusal of the USGPO Style Guide didn't turn anything up, so I
> thought I'd turn to you guys.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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Discretionary Hyphen Gripe

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Mike,

Another way to do this is to set all paragraph tags' language seetings
to None. Then the discretionary hyphens will work as expected with the
Hyphenation set. Fastest way to do this is probably search/replace one
file (template) in MIF format (searching for the language setting) and
then import the template's paragraph formats to all the other files in
the book.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2008/12/31 Mike Wickham :
> Does anyone find discretionary hyphens as useless as I do? It appears that
> they only work if hyphenation is turned on in the paragraph style, but if
> the paragraph already hyphenates itself, there is little need for them.
>
> I turn hyphenation off because I prefer not to have hyphenated paragraphs.
> However, there are occasional instances where a word is so long that it
> wraps to the next line and leaves a huge white gap in the line above. It's
> ugly as hell. In those instances, I would like to make an exception and
> allow hyphenation for that word. A discretionary hyphen is supposed to do
> this, but won't. I could use a hard hyphen to break the text, but then if an
> edit ever creates reflow, it creates a problem.
>
> Since a discretionary hyphen is an override, why isn't it set up to also
> work in unhyphenated paragraphs? If anyone agrees with me that it should be,
> please add your voice to the feature request form at Adobe:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
>
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>
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Re: Discretionary Hyphen Gripe

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Mike,

Another way to do this is to set all paragraph tags' language seetings
to None. Then the discretionary hyphens will work as expected with the
Hyphenation set. Fastest way to do this is probably search/replace one
file (template) in MIF format (searching for the language setting) and
then import the template's paragraph formats to all the other files in
the book.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2008/12/31 Mike Wickham :
> Does anyone find discretionary hyphens as useless as I do? It appears that
> they only work if hyphenation is turned on in the paragraph style, but if
> the paragraph already hyphenates itself, there is little need for them.
>
> I turn hyphenation off because I prefer not to have hyphenated paragraphs.
> However, there are occasional instances where a word is so long that it
> wraps to the next line and leaves a huge white gap in the line above. It's
> ugly as hell. In those instances, I would like to make an exception and
> allow hyphenation for that word. A discretionary hyphen is supposed to do
> this, but won't. I could use a hard hyphen to break the text, but then if an
> edit ever creates reflow, it creates a problem.
>
> Since a discretionary hyphen is an override, why isn't it set up to also
> work in unhyphenated paragraphs? If anyone agrees with me that it should be,
> please add your voice to the feature request form at Adobe:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
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Are you creating PDFs for Linux?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am afraid that I have not had such problems that I have had to check
the codes. There was, however, a discussion on this topic a few days
ago on the list. Someone had checked out some codes that seemed to
work here and not there, etc. (Windoze, Mac, UNIX and LInux).

Sorry not to be able to be of more help. You could e-mail me a couple
of files directly, if you want me to check them out for you. I am
getting rather curious about these problems. Mind the size limit of
G-mail attachments though, 5MB IIRC. And/or give me a fuller
description of the problem.

Bodvar

2008/12/28 Jack DeLand :
> Thank you, Bodvar.  Could you post an example of syntax that you know works
> under Linux?
> Best,
> Jack
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
>>
>> Does not this depend very much on what you want to include in the
>> PDFs? Regular PDFs are no pain. I regularly pdf from various apps in
>> Linux, but nothing really fancy, as I have not seen the need there
>> yet. Most "foreign" PDFs have been no problem for me. Only a few times
>> I have had problems with opening pdf pages directly from websites, but
>> then I have had such problems on the Windoze too. In both situations
>> it has often to do with unstability of the "Temporary Internet
>> Folder(s)" or the browsers use of them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> 2008/12/20 Jack DeLand :
>>
>>>
>>> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who's successful in creating PDFs
>>> for Linux.  We have a sporadic failure of jumps between PDFs. Any help
>>> appreciated - deadline looming.
>>> Thanks
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Are you creating PDFs for Linux?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Does not this depend very much on what you want to include in the
PDFs? Regular PDFs are no pain. I regularly pdf from various apps in
Linux, but nothing really fancy, as I have not seen the need there
yet. Most "foreign" PDFs have been no problem for me. Only a few times
I have had problems with opening pdf pages directly from websites, but
then I have had such problems on the Windoze too. In both situations
it has often to do with unstability of the "Temporary Internet
Folder(s)" or the browsers use of them.

Regards,

Bodvar

2008/12/20 Jack DeLand :
> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who's successful in creating PDFs for 
> Linux.  We have a sporadic failure of jumps between PDFs. Any help 
> appreciated - deadline looming.
> Thanks
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Re: Are you creating PDFs for Linux?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am afraid that I have not had such problems that I have had to check
the codes. There was, however, a discussion on this topic a few days
ago on the list. Someone had checked out some codes that seemed to
work here and not there, etc. (Windoze, Mac, UNIX and LInux).

Sorry not to be able to be of more help. You could e-mail me a couple
of files directly, if you want me to check them out for you. I am
getting rather curious about these problems. Mind the size limit of
G-mail attachments though, 5MB IIRC. And/or give me a fuller
description of the problem.

Bodvar

2008/12/28 Jack DeLand :
> Thank you, Bodvar.  Could you post an example of syntax that you know works
> under Linux?
> Best,
> Jack
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
>>
>> Does not this depend very much on what you want to include in the
>> PDFs? Regular PDFs are no pain. I regularly pdf from various apps in
>> Linux, but nothing really fancy, as I have not seen the need there
>> yet. Most "foreign" PDFs have been no problem for me. Only a few times
>> I have had problems with opening pdf pages directly from websites, but
>> then I have had such problems on the Windoze too. In both situations
>> it has often to do with unstability of the "Temporary Internet
>> Folder(s)" or the browsers use of them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> 2008/12/20 Jack DeLand :
>>
>>>
>>> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who's successful in creating PDFs
>>> for Linux.  We have a sporadic failure of jumps between PDFs. Any help
>>> appreciated - deadline looming.
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Jack DeLand :: Member, Information Architecture Institute :: Michigan ::
>>> +1 248 252 2200 :: GMT -5
>>>
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Re: Are you creating PDFs for Linux?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Does not this depend very much on what you want to include in the
PDFs? Regular PDFs are no pain. I regularly pdf from various apps in
Linux, but nothing really fancy, as I have not seen the need there
yet. Most "foreign" PDFs have been no problem for me. Only a few times
I have had problems with opening pdf pages directly from websites, but
then I have had such problems on the Windoze too. In both situations
it has often to do with unstability of the "Temporary Internet
Folder(s)" or the browsers use of them.

Regards,

Bodvar

2008/12/20 Jack DeLand :
> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who's successful in creating PDFs for 
> Linux.  We have a sporadic failure of jumps between PDFs. Any help 
> appreciated - deadline looming.
> Thanks
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SVN creates a huge db

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

This seems to be a likely explanation. I tried it yesterday by adding
separately files and folders (took a while), and there was never a
problem with it, and I ended the day by extracting a working copy to
my desktop. :-)

I wish all list members a
Merry Christmas and fruitful and prosperous new year.
Thanks for the wonderful correspondence in the year 2008, which is
hurrying into history.
God bless you all.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson.
Iceland


2008/12/23 Mike Feimster :
> Bodvar,
>
> It appears that the transactions folder is like a staging folder. I
> could see files it in while I was committing, but it was empty when the
> commit was finished.
>
> Just a swag, but you might want to create a repository on your local
> drive and see if you can add the manual to that repository. Those folder
> sizes seem big (my experience is that the files take up less disk space
> in the repository than on your hard drive) but the transaction folder
> might require a lot of space to work.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:11 AM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: SVN creates a huge db
>
> I was doing my first real testing on SVN (TortoiseSVN) yesterday. I have
> been issued a meager 8GB space on a server (Windows 2003 Server) shared
> with another kind of database.
>
> I had cleaned up a set of my largest manual consisting of a several
> hundred files after deletion of all files except the main fm and book
> files and a few graphic files, all in all 250MB of files. These I
> uploaded to a new repository and imported it into the database where it
> seemed to add a lot of files fast, until, ending on the
> 'db\transactions\4-1.txn\rev', which apparently froze. After more than
> half an hour, suddenly the size sprang from some 5GB to more than 7GB
> and left me with the message: 'There is not enough space on the disk.'
>
> I have googled and searched some of the SVN related users lists and have
> not seen any explanation to this. This seems too bloated to be normal
> IMHO.
>
> Can anyone on the list help me or explain this to me?
>
> Thanks beforehand,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> Supervisor Publishing,
> Flight Ops,
> Air Atlanta Icelandic.

Re: SVN creates a huge db

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

This seems to be a likely explanation. I tried it yesterday by adding
separately files and folders (took a while), and there was never a
problem with it, and I ended the day by extracting a working copy to
my desktop. :-)

I wish all list members a
Merry Christmas and fruitful and prosperous new year.
Thanks for the wonderful correspondence in the year 2008, which is
hurrying into history.
God bless you all.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson.
Iceland


2008/12/23 Mike Feimster :
> Bodvar,
>
> It appears that the transactions folder is like a staging folder. I
> could see files it in while I was committing, but it was empty when the
> commit was finished.
>
> Just a swag, but you might want to create a repository on your local
> drive and see if you can add the manual to that repository. Those folder
> sizes seem big (my experience is that the files take up less disk space
> in the repository than on your hard drive) but the transaction folder
> might require a lot of space to work.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:11 AM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: SVN creates a huge db
>
> I was doing my first real testing on SVN (TortoiseSVN) yesterday. I have
> been issued a meager 8GB space on a server (Windows 2003 Server) shared
> with another kind of database.
>
> I had cleaned up a set of my largest manual consisting of a several
> hundred files after deletion of all files except the main fm and book
> files and a few graphic files, all in all 250MB of files. These I
> uploaded to a new repository and imported it into the database where it
> seemed to add a lot of files fast, until, ending on the
> 'db\transactions\4-1.txn\rev', which apparently froze. After more than
> half an hour, suddenly the size sprang from some 5GB to more than 7GB
> and left me with the message: 'There is not enough space on the disk.'
>
> I have googled and searched some of the SVN related users lists and have
> not seen any explanation to this. This seems too bloated to be normal
> IMHO.
>
> Can anyone on the list help me or explain this to me?
>
> Thanks beforehand,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> Supervisor Publishing,
> Flight Ops,
> Air Atlanta Icelandic.
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SVN creates a huge db

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I was doing my first real testing on SVN (TortoiseSVN) yesterday. I
have been issued a meager 8GB space on a server (Windows 2003 Server)
shared with another kind of database.

I had cleaned up a set of my largest manual consisting of a several
hundred files after deletion of all files except the main fm and book
files and a few graphic files, all in all 250MB of files. These I
uploaded to a new repository and imported it into the database where
it seemed to add a lot of files fast, until, ending on the
'db\transactions\4-1.txn\rev', which apparently froze. After more than
half an hour, suddenly the size sprang from some 5GB to more than 7GB
and left me with the message: 'There is not enough space on the disk.'

I have googled and searched some of the SVN related users lists and
have not seen any explanation to this. This seems too bloated to be
normal IMHO.

Can anyone on the list help me or explain this to me?

Thanks beforehand,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Flight Ops,
Air Atlanta Icelandic.

-- 
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

SVN creates a huge db

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I was doing my first real testing on SVN (TortoiseSVN) yesterday. I
have been issued a meager 8GB space on a server (Windows 2003 Server)
shared with another kind of database.

I had cleaned up a set of my largest manual consisting of a several
hundred files after deletion of all files except the main fm and book
files and a few graphic files, all in all 250MB of files. These I
uploaded to a new repository and imported it into the database where
it seemed to add a lot of files fast, until, ending on the
'db\transactions\4-1.txn\rev', which apparently froze. After more than
half an hour, suddenly the size sprang from some 5GB to more than 7GB
and left me with the message: 'There is not enough space on the disk.'

I have googled and searched some of the SVN related users lists and
have not seen any explanation to this. This seems too bloated to be
normal IMHO.

Can anyone on the list help me or explain this to me?

Thanks beforehand,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Flight Ops,
Air Atlanta Icelandic.

-- 
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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