Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Kelly McDaniel]

Does anyone have a current comparison they can share?...thanks, Kelly.



Kelly M. McDaniel

Senior Technical Writer - R&D Rockwell Automation

Austin, Texas - 512.438.1521

Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Kelly McDaniel]

Does anyone have a current comparison they can share?...thanks, Kelly.

 

Kelly M. McDaniel

Senior Technical Writer - R&D Rockwell Automation

Austin, Texas - 512.438.1521

 

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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks for the info, however, I?m not currently using Mif2Go in production?that 
may change very soon, tho??regards, Kelly.



From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:33 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go





On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel  
wrote:

(...)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.


You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option "Do not write graphics 
files". 

See also: 3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the MIF2Go Help

Cheers


-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use FrameMaker 9 in TCS2 patched to p250 on Win32 XP Pro SP3 box.
I use PNG format exclusively, SnagIt 8 to take screenshots and edit, and set to 
96 DPI on all graphics in a FrameMaker frame-shrink.

Recently, after p250 upgrade, I have experienced spontaneous "reformatting" of 
random graphics. The only evident pattern is that the graphics appear to be 
reformatted to a lower DPI setting than 96 DPI, although FM still displays 
Object Properties as 96 DPI, and that the issue continues to plague me. I 
review my work in FM, build a PostScript file, and distill the PS into a PDF. 
The gnarly graphics are usually noticed in a 3rd party review of the PDF. When 
I check my FM source, the graphic I had previously confirmed as "good" is now 
gnarly. The fix is to locate the offending graphic,  double-click it to open in 
my default tool, SnagIt 8, then save it. That's all. When I return to FM, the 
graphic is "as coded." Due to the state of Adobe Support, I have not reported 
this issue. (I trust that R. J. and Jeremy are lurking.)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go


Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.

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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks for the info, however, I’m not currently using Mif2Go in production…that 
may change very soon, tho’…regards, Kelly.

 

From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:33 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

 

 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel  wrote:

(...)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.


You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option "Do not write graphics 
files". 

See also: 3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the MIF2Go Help

Cheers


-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use FrameMaker 9 in TCS2 patched to p250 on Win32 XP Pro SP3 box.
I use PNG format exclusively, SnagIt 8 to take screenshots and edit, and set to 
96 DPI on all graphics in a FrameMaker frame-shrink.

Recently, after p250 upgrade, I have experienced spontaneous "reformatting" of 
random graphics. The only evident pattern is that the graphics appear to be 
reformatted to a lower DPI setting than 96 DPI, although FM still displays 
Object Properties as 96 DPI, and that the issue continues to plague me. I 
review my work in FM, build a PostScript file, and distill the PS into a PDF. 
The gnarly graphics are usually noticed in a 3rd party review of the PDF. When 
I check my FM source, the graphic I had previously confirmed as "good" is now 
gnarly. The fix is to locate the offending graphic,  double-click it to open in 
my default tool, SnagIt 8, then save it. That's all. When I return to FM, the 
graphic is "as coded." Due to the state of Adobe Support, I have not reported 
this issue. (I trust that R. J. and Jeremy are lurking.)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go


Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.
  
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FrameMaker 9 Crashes at Start Up

[Kelly McDaniel]

This describes my experience during the run-up to release. The temporary
fix was to create a new profile and reload TCS2. I lost all my
productivity workflow, shortcuts, and plug-ins and had to replace them
as I went along, on schedule to miss the release by about 4 weeks. Yes,
I use a dependable cvs, but the amount of work done in one day that was
lost in the  is pushed to the next release, which pushed
everything else. Previously, we had no compelling economic argument to
switch tools and to switch to structured content management. Our 20,000+
employee company is now switching tools and taking the economic hit to
tag all our content. The switch now has quantifiable benefit...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lorenzini
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Crashes at Start Up

Hi all,

I am having some major FrameMaker problems. I've been running FrameMaker
9
on my system for a year now without any problem. Today, I came into work
and
tried to open FrameMaker. In the loading screen, it reaches the
localization
info and then it crashes. I restarted my computer and the same thing
happens. The only change to my system in the last couple days was an
acrobat
update provided by adobe. Is it possible that could be the cause? This
is
really distressing. I can literally get no work done until this issue is
fixed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am considering the following:

1) Try a system restore.
2) If that doesn't work,  reinstall FrameMaker, though that seems a bit
extreme.

Here are my system specs.

Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Service Pack 3
Intel Core Duo CPU
2.39GHz, 3 gigs of RAM

Technical Communications Suite 2.0
FrameMaker 9, p250
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Crashes at Start Up

[Kelly McDaniel]

This describes my experience during the run-up to release. The temporary
fix was to create a new profile and reload TCS2. I lost all my
productivity workflow, shortcuts, and plug-ins and had to replace them
as I went along, on schedule to miss the release by about 4 weeks. Yes,
I use a dependable cvs, but the amount of work done in one day that was
lost in the  is pushed to the next release, which pushed
everything else. Previously, we had no compelling economic argument to
switch tools and to switch to structured content management. Our 20,000+
employee company is now switching tools and taking the economic hit to
tag all our content. The switch now has quantifiable benefit...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lorenzini
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Crashes at Start Up

Hi all,

I am having some major FrameMaker problems. I've been running FrameMaker
9
on my system for a year now without any problem. Today, I came into work
and
tried to open FrameMaker. In the loading screen, it reaches the
localization
info and then it crashes. I restarted my computer and the same thing
happens. The only change to my system in the last couple days was an
acrobat
update provided by adobe. Is it possible that could be the cause? This
is
really distressing. I can literally get no work done until this issue is
fixed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am considering the following:

1) Try a system restore.
2) If that doesn't work,  reinstall FrameMaker, though that seems a bit
extreme.

Here are my system specs.

Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Service Pack 3
Intel Core Duo CPU
2.39GHz, 3 gigs of RAM

Technical Communications Suite 2.0
FrameMaker 9, p250
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esc + m + p

[Kelly McDaniel]

I had a drive crash 4 days prior to release. After restore, I no longer
have any of my workflow tools. I am looking for the  that changes the default esc + m + p action to Below Current
Line, Center, Floating...regards, Kelly.

esc + m + p

[Kelly McDaniel]

I had a drive crash 4 days prior to release. After restore, I no longer
have any of my workflow tools. I am looking for the  that changes the default esc + m + p action to Below Current
Line, Center, Floating...regards, Kelly.
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Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes. I have done something very similar using batch files and Task
Scheduler. I produce PDFs every morning at 0400...Kelly.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:46 AM
To: kgrace4715 at aol.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,   wrote:
> I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
> that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
> chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
> Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
> setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create
> the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
> When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am
> prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
> selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
> combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
> this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent
mode
> i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
> reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
> pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?
>
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RE: Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes. I have done something very similar using batch files and Task
Scheduler. I produce PDFs every morning at 0400...Kelly.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:46 AM
To: kgrace4...@aol.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,   wrote:
> I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
> that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
> chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
> Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
> setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create
> the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
> When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am
> prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
> selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
> combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
> this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent
mode
> i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
> reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
> pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?
>
> Grace
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FM 9 Workspace (x-posted to Framers and Free Framers)

[Kelly McDaniel]

I am filled with regret at having purchased TCS w/FM9. I evaluated the
MadCap tools a few times and it got down to "the devil you know."

One of the serious advantages of having a user-configurable workspace is
that consistent use enhances your workflow. I knew I would face workflow
changes on the switch to FM9 and accounted for the time required. I was
unaware, though, that the workspace in FM9 would not hold a
configuration from launch to launch. Each time I launch FM9, I must
perform some workspace reconfiguration to put the workspace back like it
was the most recent time FM9 was open; the way I like it; the way it has
been incorporated into my workflow; the way it saves me time. 

Using FM9, just using FM9!, has become a task that I must take into
account when I size my work...Kelly.



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:04 AM
To: Spectrum Writing; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Free Framers
Subject: Re: FM 9 Workspace (x-posted to Framers and Free Framers)

> Is there a way to keep the book file squished down to the width that I

> want
> when I open my workspace?

Not that I've found. I don't know if it's a bug, but I'd call it a
design 
flaw. I wish I could reclaim that extra little bit of space. It makes
the 
difference between being able to display at a two-page spread at full
screen 
height or not for me.

You may want to file a bug report at:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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RE: FM 9 Workspace (x-posted to Framers and Free Framers)

[Kelly McDaniel]

I am filled with regret at having purchased TCS w/FM9. I evaluated the
MadCap tools a few times and it got down to "the devil you know."

One of the serious advantages of having a user-configurable workspace is
that consistent use enhances your workflow. I knew I would face workflow
changes on the switch to FM9 and accounted for the time required. I was
unaware, though, that the workspace in FM9 would not hold a
configuration from launch to launch. Each time I launch FM9, I must
perform some workspace reconfiguration to put the workspace back like it
was the most recent time FM9 was open; the way I like it; the way it has
been incorporated into my workflow; the way it saves me time. 

Using FM9, just using FM9!, has become a task that I must take into
account when I size my work...Kelly.



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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:04 AM
To: Spectrum Writing; framers@lists.frameusers.com; Free Framers
Subject: Re: FM 9 Workspace (x-posted to Framers and Free Framers)

> Is there a way to keep the book file squished down to the width that I

> want
> when I open my workspace?

Not that I've found. I don't know if it's a bug, but I'd call it a
design 
flaw. I wish I could reclaim that extra little bit of space. It makes
the 
difference between being able to display at a two-page spread at full
screen 
height or not for me.

You may want to file a bug report at:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

Mike Wickham


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no bookmarks

[Kelly McDaniel]

I have 9 books that I convert to postscript, then distill to PDF. This
is all handled by a series of batch files I wrote. The first bat spins
the postscript files, all using the same joboption, and the same
settings. The scripts run unattended about 0400 local.

Spontaneously and without warning, one of the books no longer contains
bookmarks. If I spin it by hand, the bookmarks show up. If I spin it by
script, no bookmarks.

Any ideas?...tnx, Kelly.

FM9 in TCS2
Windows XP SP3
4GB RAM

no bookmarks

[Kelly McDaniel]

I have 9 books that I convert to postscript, then distill to PDF. This
is all handled by a series of batch files I wrote. The first bat spins
the postscript files, all using the same joboption, and the same
settings. The scripts run unattended about 0400 local.

Spontaneously and without warning, one of the books no longer contains
bookmarks. If I spin it by hand, the bookmarks show up. If I spin it by
script, no bookmarks.

Any ideas?...tnx, Kelly.

FM9 in TCS2
Windows XP SP3
4GB RAM
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Crashing when saving as .xml

[Kelly McDaniel]

Check the log and see where the assertion failure occurred, then start from 
there to diagnose.

The referenced memory error means that FM went to a memory location that was 
indexed to contain a specific bit of data and found the wrong data or no data.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:09 PM
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: Crashing when saving as .xml

Windows XP Professional 2002 SP2
Intel? Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
T9400 @ 2.53 GHz
1.59 GHz, 3.48 GB RAM

Adobe? FrameMaker? 8.0p277 (structured)

On two similar workstations with similar setups, FrameMaker crashes when trying 
to save two of seven files as XML files.  Get same results with both files when 
choosing either "File?| Save As..." or "File?| Save As XML...?."  The other 
five files are fine.

In "Save Document" window, choose "Save" button.  FrameMaker displays message,

"FmTranslator client got assertion failure."

Choose "OK" button.  FrameMaker crashes with both customary message plus, "The 
instruction at . . . referenced memory at . . ..  The memory could not be 
'read'."

Have sent crash logs to FrameMaker failure reporting.

Help, please.

Thanks!

Dave Stamm
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RE: Crashing when saving as .xml

[Kelly McDaniel]

Check the log and see where the assertion failure occurred, then start from 
there to diagnose.

The referenced memory error means that FM went to a memory location that was 
indexed to contain a specific bit of data and found the wrong data or no data.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stamm, David-P45904
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:09 PM
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: Crashing when saving as .xml

Windows XP Professional 2002 SP2
Intel® Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
T9400 @ 2.53 GHz
1.59 GHz, 3.48 GB RAM

Adobe® FrameMaker® 8.0p277 (structured)

On two similar workstations with similar setups, FrameMaker crashes when trying 
to save two of seven files as XML files.  Get same results with both files when 
choosing either "File | Save As..." or "File | Save As XML... ."  The other 
five files are fine.

In "Save Document" window, choose "Save" button.  FrameMaker displays message,

"FmTranslator client got assertion failure."

Choose "OK" button.  FrameMaker crashes with both customary message plus, "The 
instruction at . . . referenced memory at . . ..  The memory could not be 
'read'."

Have sent crash logs to FrameMaker failure reporting.

Help, please.

Thanks!

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FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Kelly McDaniel]

http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=14030 ...regards, Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martin Ley
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; rjacquez at adobe.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Issues

Hi,

I'm just getting a weird keyboard problem in Frame 9.

I run Frame under Parallels Desktop for Mac 5/XP SP3. I've updated to
TCS2 recently. I have been getting along fine, but yesterday my keyboard
mapping went weird: In Frame 9 when I try to type a single quote, I get
a question mark. There are other weird key mappings going on. I do not
get this problem in Photoshop (part of TCS2) in the same Parallels/XP
environment (running at the same time as Frame) - the keys work as
expected. 

I originally thought this was a Parallels problem, but since things work
fine in Photoshop it can't be - it must be Frame-specific.

Any clues as to what's going on?

Martin

RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Kelly McDaniel]

http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=14030 ...regards, Kelly.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; rjacq...@adobe.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Issues

Hi,

I'm just getting a weird keyboard problem in Frame 9.

I run Frame under Parallels Desktop for Mac 5/XP SP3. I've updated to
TCS2 recently. I have been getting along fine, but yesterday my keyboard
mapping went weird: In Frame 9 when I try to type a single quote, I get
a question mark. There are other weird key mappings going on. I do not
get this problem in Photoshop (part of TCS2) in the same Parallels/XP
environment (running at the same time as Frame) - the keys work as
expected. 

I originally thought this was a Parallels problem, but since things work
fine in Photoshop it can't be - it must be Frame-specific.

Any clues as to what's going on?

Martin

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Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file

[Kelly McDaniel]

This (odd graphics resetting to 100%) is happening in my files, too.
WinXP Pro/3, TCS2...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Lynn Durell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file

Lynn Durell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I sent this query yesterday (see below) but I haven't had any
responses. 
> Can someone just confirm to me if it didn't get through, or it's just
that 
> no one has experienced this?!
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lynn Durell  
> Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> 09/12/2009 12:49
> 
> To
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> cc
> 
> Subject
> Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm experiencing a strange issue when I open my frame file.
> 
> My frame file contains about 20 graphics, all of them are pngs
imported by 
> 
> reference. When I've imported each graphic, I've set the DPI, e.g.
150. 
> This all works fine.
> 
> 
> When I open the file, one or two of the graphics in the file are
randomly 
> resetting to a scale of 100% and when I go to Graphics > Object 
> Properties, I can't re-set the DPI as it's now greyed out.
> 
> It doesn't happen every time I open the file and I can't see a
pattern! 
> I'm creating a PDF from the file, but I'm not sure if that's related
or 
> not.
> 
> Is this a known FM bug?
> 
> 
> We're running FM 7.1on Win XP.
> 

Hi Lynn,

Yes, I saw your message on the list yesterday.  I have not seen this 
behaviour (using FM 7.0).  I *have* seen the dpi setting on a graphic 
change to "unknown", which happens if you resize a graphic by dragging 
the object handles.  But I haven't seen the dpi button become disabled 
because of it.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file

[Kelly McDaniel]

This (odd graphics resetting to 100%) is happening in my files, too.
WinXP Pro/3, TCS2...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Lynn Durell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file

Lynn Durell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I sent this query yesterday (see below) but I haven't had any
responses. 
> Can someone just confirm to me if it didn't get through, or it's just
that 
> no one has experienced this?!
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lynn Durell  
> Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> 09/12/2009 12:49
> 
> To
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> cc
> 
> Subject
> Graphics scale resetting to 100% when I open file
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm experiencing a strange issue when I open my frame file.
> 
> My frame file contains about 20 graphics, all of them are pngs
imported by 
> 
> reference. When I've imported each graphic, I've set the DPI, e.g.
150. 
> This all works fine.
> 
> 
> When I open the file, one or two of the graphics in the file are
randomly 
> resetting to a scale of 100% and when I go to Graphics > Object 
> Properties, I can't re-set the DPI as it's now greyed out.
> 
> It doesn't happen every time I open the file and I can't see a
pattern! 
> I'm creating a PDF from the file, but I'm not sure if that's related
or 
> not.
> 
> Is this a known FM bug?
> 
> 
> We're running FM 7.1on Win XP.
> 

Hi Lynn,

Yes, I saw your message on the list yesterday.  I have not seen this 
behaviour (using FM 7.0).  I *have* seen the dpi setting on a graphic 
change to "unknown", which happens if you resize a graphic by dragging 
the object handles.  But I haven't seen the dpi button become disabled 
because of it.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Creating PDFs across a Network

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks, Dov, didn't know. I thought that if you have Acrobat installed
on the printing end, that covered the license issues.

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:03 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; jdeland1 at comcast.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating PDFs across a Network

Such use of Acrobat (use of Distiller on one system to create PDF from 
PostScript generated on another system sent directly over the network)
is in direct violation of the Acrobat End User License Agreement.

You need a server version of Distiller for this purpose.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly McDaniel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:48 AM
> 
> You must have at least Acrobat installed in the UK with the Acrobat
PDF
> printer driver. After that, it's just network issues.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jdeland1 at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:34 AM
> 
> Has anyone tried creating PDFs from FrameMaker 9 (XP Pro) across a
> network? We need to try Acrobat 9 Standard, which is on a machine in
the
> UK. How does one create PDF printer settings for another server? They
> don't have FM there.
> 
> Mystified in Michigan

Creating PDFs across a Network

[Kelly McDaniel]

You must have at least Acrobat installed in the UK with the Acrobat PDF
printer driver. After that, it's just network issues.

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jdeland1 at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:34 AM
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Creating PDFs across a Network

Has anyone tried creating PDFs from FrameMaker 9 (XP Pro) across a
network? We need to try Acrobat 9 Standard, which is on a machine in the
UK. How does one create PDF printer settings for another server? They
don't have FM there. 

Mystified in Michigan 
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RE: Creating PDFs across a Network

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks, Dov, didn't know. I thought that if you have Acrobat installed
on the printing end, that covered the license issues.

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:03 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; jdela...@comcast.net
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating PDFs across a Network

Such use of Acrobat (use of Distiller on one system to create PDF from 
PostScript generated on another system sent directly over the network)
is in direct violation of the Acrobat End User License Agreement.

You need a server version of Distiller for this purpose.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly McDaniel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:48 AM
> 
> You must have at least Acrobat installed in the UK with the Acrobat
PDF
> printer driver. After that, it's just network issues.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jdela...@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:34 AM
> 
> Has anyone tried creating PDFs from FrameMaker 9 (XP Pro) across a
> network? We need to try Acrobat 9 Standard, which is on a machine in
the
> UK. How does one create PDF printer settings for another server? They
> don't have FM there.
> 
> Mystified in Michigan
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RE: Creating PDFs across a Network

[Kelly McDaniel]

You must have at least Acrobat installed in the UK with the Acrobat PDF
printer driver. After that, it's just network issues.

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Subject: Creating PDFs across a Network

Has anyone tried creating PDFs from FrameMaker 9 (XP Pro) across a
network? We need to try Acrobat 9 Standard, which is on a machine in the
UK. How does one create PDF printer settings for another server? They
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[Free Framers] Re: FM9 and dual monitors

[Kelly McDaniel]

I also agree. Were it not for my dual monitor set-up, I would not have
room for all the caca. The workflow changes are difficult enough to bear
even on 2 displays...Kelly.

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:32 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Subject: [Free Framers] Re: FM9 and dual monitors


>I think that "dual monitors" is the deciding point. At home with high
res,
>multi-displays I can do a lot. However, on a single monitor laptop
(that
>runs 1280 by 768) I run into a lot of pod issues. 


I agree. One of the things keeping me on FM8 is how I hate how FM9 looks
on my laptop screen. 


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RE: [Free Framers] Re: FM9 and dual monitors

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I also agree. Were it not for my dual monitor set-up, I would not have
room for all the caca. The workflow changes are difficult enough to bear
even on 2 displays...Kelly.

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>I think that "dual monitors" is the deciding point. At home with high
res,
>multi-displays I can do a lot. However, on a single monitor laptop
(that
>runs 1280 by 768) I run into a lot of pod issues. 


I agree. One of the things keeping me on FM8 is how I hate how FM9 looks
on my laptop screen. 


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ESC + m + p

[Kelly McDaniel]

A while back, someone posted a solution to . I have
graded to FM9 and lost the  hack. I want it back.
If you have a fix, please post...tnx, Kelly.

I want Esc + m + P to default to Below Current Line, Centered.

ESC + m + p

[Kelly McDaniel]

A while back, someone posted a solution to . I have
graded to FM9 and lost the  hack. I want it back.
If you have a fix, please post...tnx, Kelly.

I want Esc + m + P to default to Below Current Line, Centered.
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PDF to FM9

[Kelly McDaniel]

MarCom revived some old software...from the last millennium...really.
The only docs I have are in PDF and I need to get the content into
FrameMaker. I'd like to go to FM( with the original formatting and name
so I can do a Replace to bring the tags up to current spec. I can save
the PDF as an RTF and import the RTF into FM, but I've done that before
and it's a PITA. Word RTF adds all manner of wonkiness to the doc.

I'm looking for suggestions on how to get the PDF content into
FrameMaker 9. (FYI, I already tried squeezing...no joy.)...regards,
Kelly.

PDF to FM9

[Kelly McDaniel]

MarCom revived some old software...from the last millennium...really.
The only docs I have are in PDF and I need to get the content into
FrameMaker. I'd like to go to FM( with the original formatting and name
so I can do a Replace to bring the tags up to current spec. I can save
the PDF as an RTF and import the RTF into FM, but I've done that before
and it's a PITA. Word RTF adds all manner of wonkiness to the doc.

I'm looking for suggestions on how to get the PDF content into
FrameMaker 9. (FYI, I already tried squeezing...no joy.)...regards,
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F8 + Enter

[Kelly McDaniel]

Using FM9 in TCSv2. The key combo F8 + Enter no longer strips
formatting. I can't find anything in the docs that say this feature has
changed. Any guidance is greatly appreciated...tnx, Kelly.

F8 + Enter

[Kelly McDaniel]

Using FM9 in TCSv2. The key combo F8 + Enter no longer strips
formatting. I can't find anything in the docs that say this feature has
changed. Any guidance is greatly appreciated...tnx, Kelly.

 

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Run-in head and All Properties option

[Kelly McDaniel]

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
suhas.murthy at tcs.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:42 AM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: Alison Craig; framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Run-in head and All Properties option

Hi,

Can anyone help me out with the following: -

>>>1) What is the use of the All Properties option in Global Update
options?

Manage paragraph and character formats
Update formats
You can change format properties and then use them to redefine, or
update, the stored formats and all the text in the document tagged with
them.
When you update a format, you can update all properties or just one
group of properties. For example, you can change the default font family
for all formats in a document without changing any other properties.

>>>2) What are Run-in Heads and How to use the Run--in Head punctuation 
option in the paragraph designer?

Create run-in heads
Run-in heads are separate paragraphs on the same line as normal body
text. They have the same margins as normal body text, and typically have
a different font or weight for contrast. You can use a punctuation mark
to set them off from the text that follows.
The space between the run-in head and the preceding paragraph is
determined by the Space Below setting of the previous paragraph or the
Space Above setting of the run-in head, whichever is greater.
1
Click in the paragraph to change. If the paragraph is already a run-in
head, it is on the same line as the paragraph following it.
2
Select Format > Paragraphs > Designer and click the Pagination tab.
3
Select Run-In Head -- Default Punctuation. If necessary, enter the
punctuation, space, or combination of the two that you want to use.
Note: To override punctuation later, type the new punctuation in the
run-in head. FrameMaker ignores the punctuation specified in the Default
Punctuation box but retains any special characters that are part of the
default, including em and en spaces.
4
Click Apply To Selection.
5
Display the Default Font properties and change the run-in head's font so
that it stands out from the surrounding text, if you want.
6
Click Apply To Selection.


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RE: Run-in head and All Properties option

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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:42 AM
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framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Run-in head and All Properties option

Hi,

Can anyone help me out with the following: -

>>>1) What is the use of the All Properties option in Global Update
options?

Manage paragraph and character formats
Update formats
You can change format properties and then use them to redefine, or
update, the stored formats and all the text in the document tagged with
them.
When you update a format, you can update all properties or just one
group of properties. For example, you can change the default font family
for all formats in a document without changing any other properties.

>>>2) What are Run-in Heads and How to use the Run--in Head punctuation 
option in the paragraph designer?

Create run-in heads
Run-in heads are separate paragraphs on the same line as normal body
text. They have the same margins as normal body text, and typically have
a different font or weight for contrast. You can use a punctuation mark
to set them off from the text that follows.
The space between the run-in head and the preceding paragraph is
determined by the Space Below setting of the previous paragraph or the
Space Above setting of the run-in head, whichever is greater.
1
Click in the paragraph to change. If the paragraph is already a run-in
head, it is on the same line as the paragraph following it.
2
Select Format > Paragraphs > Designer and click the Pagination tab.
3
Select Run-In Head -- Default Punctuation. If necessary, enter the
punctuation, space, or combination of the two that you want to use.
Note: To override punctuation later, type the new punctuation in the
run-in head. FrameMaker ignores the punctuation specified in the Default
Punctuation box but retains any special characters that are part of the
default, including em and en spaces.
4
Click Apply To Selection.
5
Display the Default Font properties and change the run-in head's font so
that it stands out from the surrounding text, if you want.
6
Click Apply To Selection.


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Delete Empty Pages

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes, thanks. I have done that many times, thinking "Maybe it'll stick
this time." (Silly human.)

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From: Kristy Nolan [mailto:kristy.no...@wnco.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Delete Empty Pages

Hi, Kelly!

Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting
there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been
there done tat, and recently.

Kristy

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Subject: Delete Empty Pages

I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to
set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't
include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've
followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy.

Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just
does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix?
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Delete Empty Pages

[Kelly McDaniel]

I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to
set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't
include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've
followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy.

Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just
does that." :-)
Is there a Framescript fix?
I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly.

RE: Delete Empty Pages

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes, thanks. I have done that many times, thinking "Maybe it'll stick
this time." (Silly human.)

-Original Message-
From: Kristy Nolan [mailto:kristy.no...@wnco.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Delete Empty Pages

Hi, Kelly!

Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting
there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been
there done tat, and recently.

Kristy

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Subject: Delete Empty Pages

I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to
set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't
include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've
followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy.

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I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to
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Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Kelly McDaniel]

I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as a
MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the previous
century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min
Lorente
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Hi Rick:

As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the "Wash via MIF"
option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could
download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.

Fei Min 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
To: Fred Ridder; dspreadb at yahoo.com; richard.combs at polycom.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the generosity
of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the response below,
"wash as MIF" caught my attention I Googled it. This appears to be a
function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what everyone already knows
:-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the "wash as MIF" option in the file menu of
Frame. How do I get it?
Rick



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.combs at polycom.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls "reinstallsheimer's disease",
I'd try a quick "wash as MIF" operation on the offending file. It seems
much more likely to me that something has become corrupt in the one
document file that Rick is having problems with rather than FrameMaker
itself having become corrupted. 

-Fred Ridder



> From: dspreadb at yahoo.com
> To: rmelanson at spirecorp.com; richard.combs at Polycom.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
> 
> Rick,
> On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did not
> change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame file
without
> any problems.
> 
> I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
into the
> missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
and
> opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
selected
> Skip and got the same response.
> 
> This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
You
> might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try
> opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
Frame8 and
> then, of course, all updates.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelanson at spirecorp.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
> window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
> redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
> ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
> drawing. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspreadb at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Rick,
> The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename
of
> the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file
once
> you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
> location.
> 
> When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic,
and
> you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
> Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
> even if you have saved the file.
> 
> Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
> complete path and filename MUST remain identical.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelanson at spirecorp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Hi Framers, 
> 
> I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
> with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
> drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or
more
> of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option
to
> update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or 

RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Kelly McDaniel]

I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as a
MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the previous
century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min
Lorente
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Hi Rick:

As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the "Wash via MIF"
option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could
download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.

Fei Min 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
To: Fred Ridder; dspre...@yahoo.com; richard.co...@polycom.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the generosity
of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the response below,
"wash as MIF" caught my attention I Googled it. This appears to be a
function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what everyone already knows
:-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the "wash as MIF" option in the file menu of
Frame. How do I get it?
Rick



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: dspre...@yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.co...@polycom.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls "reinstallsheimer's disease",
I'd try a quick "wash as MIF" operation on the offending file. It seems
much more likely to me that something has become corrupt in the one
document file that Rick is having problems with rather than FrameMaker
itself having become corrupted. 

-Fred Ridder


 
> From: dspre...@yahoo.com
> To: rmelan...@spirecorp.com; richard.co...@polycom.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
> 
> Rick,
> On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did not
> change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame file
without
> any problems.
> 
> I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
into the
> missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
and
> opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
selected
> Skip and got the same response.
> 
> This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
You
> might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try
> opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
Frame8 and
> then, of course, all updates.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
> window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
> redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
> ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
> drawing. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Rick,
> The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename
of
> the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file
once
> you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
> location.
> 
> When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic,
and
> you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
> Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
> even if you have saved the file.
> 
> Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
> complete path and filename MUST remain identical.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Hi Framers, 
> 
> I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
> with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
> drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or
more
> of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option
to
> update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all
missing
> files. When I try to select skip th

Cross-ref formats

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use plain-text body font with cross-ref color (blue). There were so
many legitimate cross-refs in a doc I inherited that the italics were
incredibly distracting. 
I changed them all...regards, Kelly "Stuck-in-the-mud" McDaniel.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:52 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cross-ref formats


Some follow-up questions:

1. I've been looking at the Chicago Manual, 15th edition. I'd expect a
great honking treatment of this subject, but I'm not seeing it. All the
cross-reference i9nformation is presented with reference to indexes and
bibliographies. The sections referring to cross-references "in text" are
discussions of the editor's obligation to check cross-references!

Is there an exhaustive section on x-ref format, in text, that I'm
missing?

2. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you , to discover just what a
stick-in-the-mud I really am. I thought italics were sacrosanct for
referring to the titles of separately bound publications. (Although how
purely electronic publications can be "bound" is a topic for another
day.) But .. . you've all gotten over this hurdle and use italics to
identify cross-references? Like:  "See  Pots and Pans
 on page 85," where "Pots and Pans" is a couple of
paragraphs with header in a much longer chapter of a much larger
*separately bound* publication, whether physical or digital?

Really?

I must sit down.

In that case, do you also put your italicized x-refs in a different
color, so as to distinguish them from the titles of separately bound
publications, which you might also mention in your text? 

Thanks!

--Nancy


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RE: Cross-ref formats

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use plain-text body font with cross-ref color (blue). There were so
many legitimate cross-refs in a doc I inherited that the italics were
incredibly distracting. 
I changed them all...regards, Kelly "Stuck-in-the-mud" McDaniel.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cross-ref formats


Some follow-up questions:

1. I've been looking at the Chicago Manual, 15th edition. I'd expect a
great honking treatment of this subject, but I'm not seeing it. All the
cross-reference i9nformation is presented with reference to indexes and
bibliographies. The sections referring to cross-references "in text" are
discussions of the editor's obligation to check cross-references!

Is there an exhaustive section on x-ref format, in text, that I'm
missing?

2. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you , to discover just what a
stick-in-the-mud I really am. I thought italics were sacrosanct for
referring to the titles of separately bound publications. (Although how
purely electronic publications can be "bound" is a topic for another
day.) But .. . you've all gotten over this hurdle and use italics to
identify cross-references? Like:  "See  Pots and Pans
 on page 85," where "Pots and Pans" is a couple of
paragraphs with header in a much longer chapter of a much larger
*separately bound* publication, whether physical or digital?

Really?

I must sit down.

In that case, do you also put your italicized x-refs in a different
color, so as to distinguish them from the titles of separately bound
publications, which you might also mention in your text? 

Thanks!

--Nancy


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What is the optimum way to generate PDF?

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use .bat files and runfm.exe to produce postscript files from
FrameMaker, drop them into a watched folder, then a .bat file opens
Distiller, creating PDFs. Other .bat files copy the finished PDFs to the
product build pickup directory and to other interested parties...and
includes an archive copy to my network share. My scripts will scale.
They complete the "manual" process in about 10% of the time it takes me
to do it all by hand...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:21 PM
To: garnier_framescript at yahoo.co.in; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What is the optimum way to generate PDF?


Garnier Garnier wrote:

> I would like to know as to what is the optimum way to generate PDF
(300+ FM books with 700 pages (average) each? Many have pointed out that
Save As PDF is not the ideal way of converting to pdf. I have automated
the process using Framescript. Now I do not have the time to update the
script because of my tight schedule. Besides the script includes other
process as well.
>  
> Watch folder is not the optimum way either to me because I have to
distill to ps manually.


You are missing the whole point of watched folders. If you have Acrobat
Pro (Acrobat Standard Edition does not support watched folders),
whenever Distiller is running it periodically (by default, every 30
seconds) checks each watched folders to see if there is a PostScript
file there. If it finds one, it *automatically* distills the PostScript
to PDF, using either the default Job Options or the set of Job Options
specifically associated with the folder. If you (or your script) start
Distiller before the script produces any PostScript output files and you
simply leave Distiller running in the background while the script puts
PostScript files in the watched folder as it produces them, the end
result will be a folder-full of PDFs with no further action on your
part. In other words, *automatically*. 

Or you can let the script generate all the PostScript files into the
watched folder first, and then just launch Distiller and let it do it's
thing on the files it finds waiting for it. One double-click on an icon
(or one line in a batch file) to launch Distiller is not a heavy burden
on the operator and certainly doesn't qualify as having to distill
manually. 

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RE: What is the optimum way to generate PDF?

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use .bat files and runfm.exe to produce postscript files from
FrameMaker, drop them into a watched folder, then a .bat file opens
Distiller, creating PDFs. Other .bat files copy the finished PDFs to the
product build pickup directory and to other interested parties...and
includes an archive copy to my network share. My scripts will scale.
They complete the "manual" process in about 10% of the time it takes me
to do it all by hand...Kelly.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:21 PM
To: garnier_framescr...@yahoo.co.in; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What is the optimum way to generate PDF?


Garnier Garnier wrote:

> I would like to know as to what is the optimum way to generate PDF
(300+ FM books with 700 pages (average) each? Many have pointed out that
Save As PDF is not the ideal way of converting to pdf. I have automated
the process using Framescript. Now I do not have the time to update the
script because of my tight schedule. Besides the script includes other
process as well.
>  
> Watch folder is not the optimum way either to me because I have to
distill to ps manually.


You are missing the whole point of watched folders. If you have Acrobat
Pro (Acrobat Standard Edition does not support watched folders),
whenever Distiller is running it periodically (by default, every 30
seconds) checks each watched folders to see if there is a PostScript
file there. If it finds one, it *automatically* distills the PostScript
to PDF, using either the default Job Options or the set of Job Options
specifically associated with the folder. If you (or your script) start
Distiller before the script produces any PostScript output files and you
simply leave Distiller running in the background while the script puts
PostScript files in the watched folder as it produces them, the end
result will be a folder-full of PDFs with no further action on your
part. In other words, *automatically*. 

Or you can let the script generate all the PostScript files into the
watched folder first, and then just launch Distiller and let it do it's
thing on the files it finds waiting for it. One double-click on an icon
(or one line in a batch file) to launch Distiller is not a heavy burden
on the operator and certainly doesn't qualify as having to distill
manually. 

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Soliciting hardware recommendations

[Kelly McDaniel]

Lots o' marketing to wade through:  
http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/compatibility.html

There are other ways to do this (Wine), but Parallels is plug-and-play:
http://parallels-desktop.for-mac.com/

...Kelly.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations

First of all, you folks are the best. Within minutes of posting, I  
was getting helpful responses.

Some of you have suggested I run Windows on my beloved Mac. I've been  
hesitant to do that, fearful that it might be buggy or cranky in some  
way. From what I'm hearing, that isn't the case. So, one last  
question --

Are any of you running the Adobe Technical Communications Suite on a  
Mac > VMWare Fusion > Windows XP? I'd love to go this route if it's  
reliable. And if I get reports that TCS is stable in this  
environment, the Windows box is heading for the dumpster. (For the  
record, I'm still running FM8 and will be for the foreseeable future.)

Again, most sincere thanks to all of you. You are amazing!

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RE: Soliciting hardware recommendations

[Kelly McDaniel]

Lots o' marketing to wade through:  
http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/compatibility.html

There are other ways to do this (Wine), but Parallels is plug-and-play:
http://parallels-desktop.for-mac.com/

...Kelly.

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations

First of all, you folks are the best. Within minutes of posting, I  
was getting helpful responses.

Some of you have suggested I run Windows on my beloved Mac. I've been  
hesitant to do that, fearful that it might be buggy or cranky in some  
way. From what I'm hearing, that isn't the case. So, one last  
question --

Are any of you running the Adobe Technical Communications Suite on a  
Mac > VMWare Fusion > Windows XP? I'd love to go this route if it's  
reliable. And if I get reports that TCS is stable in this  
environment, the Windows box is heading for the dumpster. (For the  
record, I'm still running FM8 and will be for the foreseeable future.)

Again, most sincere thanks to all of you. You are amazing!

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Numbering RESOLVED

[Kelly McDaniel]

Many thanks to Rick Quattro for the solution.



My Chapter Title is actually a Head 1.

In the TOC, I do not number the Head 1 pages, so the TOC displayed the
first Head 2, which is on page 7.



Solution: I created a Head 2 on page 1 of the offending chapter and
respun the book.  Resolved/Fixed...Kelly.





From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:49 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbering



Try building a new book. It sounds to me like that's where the problem
resides. But you've been focusing all your attention on the chapter
file.

-FR


> Subject: RE: Numbering
> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:11:27 -0500
> From: kmcdaniel at pavtech.com
> To: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
> CC: framers at FrameUsers.com
> 
> Stuart,
> 
> Thanks, done that..set page numbering in the book window and in the
> file. Using FM 10 years...deep-level nerd almost 40 years. I have
tried
> every trick I know. I saved the file as .mif and looked. DStartPage is
> set to 1. ContPageNum is No.
> 
> When I copy and paste the contents of the file into a new, clean
> template, the offending behavior is copied as well.
> 
> When I add a blank page to the beginning of the offending file, the
TOC
> page numbers for that file increment by 1. It's as if there were 6
> "invisible" pages at the start of the offending file...leastwise,
that's
> the behavior...Kelly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: Kelly McDaniel
> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Re: Numbering
> 
> Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> > Folks,
> > 
> > I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows
> the
> > first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just
that
> > the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number
them.)
> > 
> > I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on
> the
> > offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
> > back. No joy.
> > 
> > I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
> > chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as
page
> > 35... 7 + 28=35). No joy. 
> > 
> > I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files.
No
> > joy.
> > 
> > I did the same with the TOC. No joy.
> > 
> > As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative
> five)
> > and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects
> page
> > 1.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.
> 
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> I don't know how you are "telling the TOC" to number pages -- it has
no 
> role in that process.
> 
> In individual files, you set the numbering properties in the file.
When
> 
> dealing with a book however, you must set the numbering properties for

> the files from within the book window. Those settings will override 
> whatever is set in the files themselves. (Unless, in the book window, 
> you set the numbering to Read from File, which sounds like the culprit

> here.)
> 
> 1. In the book window, select the first chapter and set Format > 
> Document > Numbering to start at 1.
> 
> 2. Select all the following chapters and set them to Continue
Numbering
> 
> from Previous Page in Book.
> 
> 3. Save the book file and then update the book, generating your TOC.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -- 
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> 
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
> 
> "It is not enough that I succeed.
> Others must fail."
> 
> -- Oscar Wilde
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Numbering

[Kelly McDaniel]

Stuart,

Thanks, done that..set page numbering in the book window and in the
file. Using FM 10 years...deep-level nerd almost 40 years. I have tried
every trick I know. I saved the file as .mif and looked. DStartPage is
set to 1. ContPageNum is No.

When I copy and paste the contents of the file into a new, clean
template, the offending behavior is copied as well.

When I add a blank page to the beginning of the offending file, the TOC
page numbers for that file increment by 1. It's as if there were 6
"invisible" pages at the start of the offending file...leastwise, that's
the behavior...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:59 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Numbering

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows
the
> first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just that
> the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number them.)
> 
> I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on
the
> offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
> back. No joy.
> 
> I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
> chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as page
> 35...  7 + 28=35). No joy. 
> 
> I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files. No
> joy.
> 
> I did the same with the TOC. No joy.
> 
> As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative
five)
> and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects
page
> 1.
> 
> 
> I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.


Kelly,

I don't know how you are "telling the TOC" to number pages -- it has no 
role in that process.

In individual files, you set the numbering properties in the file.  When

dealing with a book however, you must set the numbering properties for 
the files from within the book window.  Those settings will override 
whatever is set in the files themselves.  (Unless, in the book window, 
you set the numbering to Read from File, which sounds like the culprit 
here.)

1.  In the book window, select the first chapter and set Format > 
Document > Numbering to start at 1.

2.  Select all the following chapters and set them to Continue Numbering

from Previous Page in Book.

3.  Save the book file and then update the book, generating your TOC.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde

RE: Numbering RESOLVED

[Kelly McDaniel]

Many thanks to Rick Quattro for the solution.

 

My Chapter Title is actually a Head 1.

In the TOC, I do not number the Head 1 pages, so the TOC displayed the
first Head 2, which is on page 7.

 

Solution: I created a Head 2 on page 1 of the offending chapter and
respun the book.  Resolved/Fixed...Kelly.

 



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:49 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbering

 

Try building a new book. It sounds to me like that's where the problem
resides. But you've been focusing all your attention on the chapter
file.

-FR

 
> Subject: RE: Numbering
> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:11:27 -0500
> From: kmcdan...@pavtech.com
> To: srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
> CC: fram...@frameusers.com
> 
> Stuart,
> 
> Thanks, done that..set page numbering in the book window and in the
> file. Using FM 10 years...deep-level nerd almost 40 years. I have
tried
> every trick I know. I saved the file as .mif and looked. DStartPage is
> set to 1. ContPageNum is No.
> 
> When I copy and paste the contents of the file into a new, clean
> template, the offending behavior is copied as well.
> 
> When I add a blank page to the beginning of the offending file, the
TOC
> page numbers for that file increment by 1. It's as if there were 6
> "invisible" pages at the start of the offending file...leastwise,
that's
> the behavior...Kelly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: Kelly McDaniel
> Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Numbering
> 
> Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> > Folks,
> > 
> > I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows
> the
> > first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just
that
> > the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number
them.)
> > 
> > I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on
> the
> > offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
> > back. No joy.
> > 
> > I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
> > chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as
page
> > 35... 7 + 28=35). No joy. 
> > 
> > I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files.
No
> > joy.
> > 
> > I did the same with the TOC. No joy.
> > 
> > As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative
> five)
> > and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects
> page
> > 1.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.
> 
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> I don't know how you are "telling the TOC" to number pages -- it has
no 
> role in that process.
> 
> In individual files, you set the numbering properties in the file.
When
> 
> dealing with a book however, you must set the numbering properties for

> the files from within the book window. Those settings will override 
> whatever is set in the files themselves. (Unless, in the book window, 
> you set the numbering to Read from File, which sounds like the culprit

> here.)
> 
> 1. In the book window, select the first chapter and set Format > 
> Document > Numbering to start at 1.
> 
> 2. Select all the following chapters and set them to Continue
Numbering
> 
> from Previous Page in Book.
> 
> 3. Save the book file and then update the book, generating your TOC.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -- 
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> 
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
> 
> "It is not enough that I succeed.
> Others must fail."
> 
> -- Oscar Wilde
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RE: Numbering

[Kelly McDaniel]

Stuart,

Thanks, done that..set page numbering in the book window and in the
file. Using FM 10 years...deep-level nerd almost 40 years. I have tried
every trick I know. I saved the file as .mif and looked. DStartPage is
set to 1. ContPageNum is No.

When I copy and paste the contents of the file into a new, clean
template, the offending behavior is copied as well.

When I add a blank page to the beginning of the offending file, the TOC
page numbers for that file increment by 1. It's as if there were 6
"invisible" pages at the start of the offending file...leastwise, that's
the behavior...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:59 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Numbering

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows
the
> first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just that
> the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number them.)
> 
> I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on
the
> offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
> back. No joy.
> 
> I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
> chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as page
> 35...  7 + 28=35). No joy. 
> 
> I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files. No
> joy.
> 
> I did the same with the TOC. No joy.
> 
> As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative
five)
> and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects
page
> 1.
> 
> 
> I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.


Kelly,

I don't know how you are "telling the TOC" to number pages -- it has no 
role in that process.

In individual files, you set the numbering properties in the file.  When

dealing with a book however, you must set the numbering properties for 
the files from within the book window.  Those settings will override 
whatever is set in the files themselves.  (Unless, in the book window, 
you set the numbering to Read from File, which sounds like the culprit 
here.)

1.  In the book window, select the first chapter and set Format > 
Document > Numbering to start at 1.

2.  Select all the following chapters and set them to Continue Numbering

from Previous Page in Book.

3.  Save the book file and then update the book, generating your TOC.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

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Numbering

[Kelly McDaniel]

Folks,

I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows the
first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just that
the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number them.)

I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on the
offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
back. No joy.

I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as page
35...  7 + 28=35). No joy. 

I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files. No
joy.

I did the same with the TOC. No joy.

As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative five)
and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects page
1.


I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.

Numbering

[Kelly McDaniel]

Folks,

I have a chapter in a book that starts with page 1 but the TOC shows the
first page as page 7. (The link goes to page 1 content. It's just that
the TOC is not numbering the pages the way I tell it to number them.)

I have reset Page Numbering several times, including changing it on the
offending chapter to Roman, to Continue Numbering From Previous and
back. No joy.

I moved the offending chapter to another order in the book, below a
chapter with 28 pages (Thinking that the TOC might read page 1 as page
35...  7 + 28=35). No joy. 

I imported Reference pages and Master pages from known good files. No
joy.

I did the same with the TOC. No joy.

As a workaround, I numbered the chapter to begin with -5 (negative five)
and it worked. The chapter begins with page 1, and the TOC reflects page
1.


I'm stumped. Any ideas?...thanks, Kelly.
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Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages on screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

"...at worst, it is punning words in the mouth of the company,..."

I just love language...Kelly.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM
To: info at mikewickham.com; verner.andersen at radiometer.dk;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages on
screen


But in order to avoid the passive voice, the UI resorts to the first
person plural, which is also discouraged in most technical writing style
guides. At best, the pronoun is unclear because it does not have a clear
antecedent; at worst, it is punning words in the mouth of the company,
which can potentially have lkegal consequences (at least in a litigious
society like the US).

This is one of the occasions where the passive voice is actually
appropriate, because it is inconsequential to the user who or what is
performing the act. All that really matters to the user is that the
process is occurring. 

-Fred Ridder


> From: info at mikewickham.com
> To: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk; framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Re: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages
on screen
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:24:19 -0500
> 
> I don't know about the rules of technical documentation, but "please
wait" 
> sounds much better than just a command to wait.
> 
> More importantly, I love that you didn't use passive voice. You used 
> "updating the result list" instead of the typical, "the result list is
being 
> updated." Bravo!
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 
> - Original Message - 
> > Hi
> > Once I learned that you shouln't use the word "please" in technical
> > documentation - that it was like asking the reader to do you favor.
> >
> > Does this still hold true? Is it OK to have this message displayed
on
> > the screen of our user interface?
> >
> > "We are updating the result list, please wait"
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RE: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages on screen

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"...at worst, it is punning words in the mouth of the company,..."

I just love language...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages on
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But in order to avoid the passive voice, the UI resorts to the first
person plural, which is also discouraged in most technical writing style
guides. At best, the pronoun is unclear because it does not have a clear
antecedent; at worst, it is punning words in the mouth of the company,
which can potentially have lkegal consequences (at least in a litigious
society like the US).

This is one of the occasions where the passive voice is actually
appropriate, because it is inconsequential to the user who or what is
performing the act. All that really matters to the user is that the
process is occurring. 

-Fred Ridder

 
> From: i...@mikewickham.com
> To: verner.ander...@radiometer.dk; framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Re: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages
on screen
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:24:19 -0500
> 
> I don't know about the rules of technical documentation, but "please
wait" 
> sounds much better than just a command to wait.
> 
> More importantly, I love that you didn't use passive voice. You used 
> "updating the result list" instead of the typical, "the result list is
being 
> updated." Bravo!
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 
> - Original Message - 
> > Hi
> > Once I learned that you shouln't use the word "please" in technical
> > documentation - that it was like asking the reader to do you favor.
> >
> > Does this still hold true? Is it OK to have this message displayed
on
> > the screen of our user interface?
> >
> > "We are updating the result list, please wait"
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Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

[Kelly McDaniel]

Ack! (I forgot)...which I use in my handwritten automation...Kelly.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:30 PM
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

Art Campbell wrote:
> That's the typical message you receive when switching printers while a
> file is open. Try setting Adobe PDF as your default system printer and
> seeing if that makes a difference.
> 
> If you don't want to make it the full-time default, there's a plug in
> that sets it only for Frame.


SetPrint from sundorne, for free:

http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

[Kelly McDaniel]

Are you running more than one version of FM on your production
machine?...Kelly.

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Lorente
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:46 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

Does anyone know how I stop this warning from appearing when I'm
printing a FrameMaker manual?

"Font information for your system has changed. This change may affect
the format and output of your document(s)"

I usually just click OK and carry on, but now we're trying to print as
part of an automated workflow process, and there's no one there to click
OK. In fact, you don't even see FrameMaker open on the screen.

I tried opening Print Setup for the book and selecting my default
printer. I've also tried selecting Adobe PDF as the printer.

I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 on an XP machine, and I'm actually creating a
PDF using the FDK, then converting the book to HTML files using Mif2Go.
It's creating the PDF just fine, then failing during the HTML
conversion. Nothing is wrong with the Mif2Go configuration; the same
files work just fine interactively.

Fei Min

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RE: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

[Kelly McDaniel]

Ack! (I forgot)...which I use in my handwritten automation...Kelly.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:30 PM
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

Art Campbell wrote:
> That's the typical message you receive when switching printers while a
> file is open. Try setting Adobe PDF as your default system printer and
> seeing if that makes a difference.
> 
> If you don't want to make it the full-time default, there's a plug in
> that sets it only for Frame.


SetPrint from sundorne, for free:

http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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RE: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

[Kelly McDaniel]

Are you running more than one version of FM on your production
machine?...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min
Lorente
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

Does anyone know how I stop this warning from appearing when I'm
printing a FrameMaker manual?
 
"Font information for your system has changed. This change may affect
the format and output of your document(s)"

I usually just click OK and carry on, but now we're trying to print as
part of an automated workflow process, and there's no one there to click
OK. In fact, you don't even see FrameMaker open on the screen.

I tried opening Print Setup for the book and selecting my default
printer. I've also tried selecting Adobe PDF as the printer.

I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 on an XP machine, and I'm actually creating a
PDF using the FDK, then converting the book to HTML files using Mif2Go.
It's creating the PDF just fine, then failing during the HTML
conversion. Nothing is wrong with the Mif2Go configuration; the same
files work just fine interactively.

Fei Min

---
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Senior Technical Communicator
Medical Division
ON Semiconductor
feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
+1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office
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+1 519 884 0228 | fax
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How to create a custom alert

[Kelly McDaniel]

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:38 PM
To: Carol J. Elkins
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to create a custom alert

Carol J. Elkins wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to create an alert message (Danger, Caution, 
> etc.) that avoids having to make the whole thing a graphic. I have a 
> manual with a zillion of these. They are rectangular with rounded 
> corners; the width is constant and the height will vary according to 
> message content. There is a red or yellow bar across the top 
> containing the word DANGER or CAUTION (there is no symbol, just 
> text). The area below that bar contains one of about 50 messages. 
> They are all different. I would like to be able to add text to that 
> area, while keeping the surrounding rectangular shape and its 
> DANGER/CAUTION text constant. If it weren't for the rounded corners, 
> I could do this easily with a two-celled table.
> 
> Does anyone know of a plug-in or workaround to easily handle these 
> kind of alert messages? I'm using Frame 7 on Win2K.
> 

I'll bet you could fudge it with a 1-cell table with side-ruling only, 
and frames above/below the cell pgf containing graphics of the rounded 
rectangle top/bottom.  (I haven't tried it, but that's how I'd go about 
it...)

-- 
Stuart Rogers


>>That's how I do it...Kelly.

RE: How to create a custom alert

[Kelly McDaniel]

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:38 PM
To: Carol J. Elkins
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to create a custom alert

Carol J. Elkins wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to create an alert message (Danger, Caution, 
> etc.) that avoids having to make the whole thing a graphic. I have a 
> manual with a zillion of these. They are rectangular with rounded 
> corners; the width is constant and the height will vary according to 
> message content. There is a red or yellow bar across the top 
> containing the word DANGER or CAUTION (there is no symbol, just 
> text). The area below that bar contains one of about 50 messages. 
> They are all different. I would like to be able to add text to that 
> area, while keeping the surrounding rectangular shape and its 
> DANGER/CAUTION text constant. If it weren't for the rounded corners, 
> I could do this easily with a two-celled table.
> 
> Does anyone know of a plug-in or workaround to easily handle these 
> kind of alert messages? I'm using Frame 7 on Win2K.
> 

I'll bet you could fudge it with a 1-cell table with side-ruling only, 
and frames above/below the cell pgf containing graphics of the rounded 
rectangle top/bottom.  (I haven't tried it, but that's how I'd go about 
it...)

-- 
Stuart Rogers


>>That's how I do it...Kelly.
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Motivating end users to read the user manual

[Kelly McDaniel]

See:  http://stcforum.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4092

...regards, Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Neeraj Jain
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Cc: Cal Callahan
Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the user manual

Hi Cal,

When making diagrams and inserting pictures, I would suggest using some 
colors.?Colors definitely add to the visual appeal. A colorful manual 
is?definitely going to catch the user attention. What say?
?


Your smile can help you clear all types of interviews
Regards, 
N. Jain
http://www.neerajjain8.com
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From: Cal Callahan 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:26:05 AM
Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the user manual

I like Sharon's advice (ask the user directly). But I haven't seen anyone
mention context-sensitive help or conditional text.

I hope the lengthy paragraphs in your query are not representative of your
manuals--that would certainly turn off users.

A couple of guidelines:

KISS--keep it simple, sir.

Tell them what you're going to tell them, tell them what you want to tell
them, then tell them what you told them

Engineers like flow charts and logic diagrams, so fire up your Visio and try
to put the points across that way.

And everyone likes pictures, so see where you can use those. (Many people
are visually oriented and don't like to read.)

I hope I haven't insulted your intelligence. I'm just picking trees out of
the forest.

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RE: Motivating end users to read the user manual

[Kelly McDaniel]

See:  http://stcforum.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4092

...regards, Kelly.

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Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the user manual

Hi Cal,

When making diagrams and inserting pictures, I would suggest using some 
colors. Colors definitely add to the visual appeal. A colorful manual 
is definitely going to catch the user attention. What say?
 


Your smile can help you clear all types of interviews
Regards, 
N. Jain
http://www.neerajjain8.com
 


 





From: Cal Callahan 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:26:05 AM
Subject: Re: Motivating end users to read the user manual

I like Sharon's advice (ask the user directly). But I haven't seen anyone
mention context-sensitive help or conditional text.

I hope the lengthy paragraphs in your query are not representative of your
manuals--that would certainly turn off users.

A couple of guidelines:

KISS--keep it simple, sir.

Tell them what you're going to tell them, tell them what you want to tell
them, then tell them what you told them

Engineers like flow charts and logic diagrams, so fire up your Visio and try
to put the points across that way.

And everyone likes pictures, so see where you can use those. (Many people
are visually oriented and don't like to read.)

I hope I haven't insulted your intelligence. I'm just picking trees out of
the forest.

cal
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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Kelly McDaniel]

"If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job..."

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 6:46 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have
to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

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(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have
to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

[Kelly McDaniel]

As the writer states in this post:

"It all comes down to this: 

FrameMaker is a very mature and solid product
that can handle structural complexity very well."

http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/08/which-text-editor
-to-use-for-technical-writing-adobe-framemaker-or-microsoft-word/

An anecdote:

I have over 30 years in the tech trade and consider myself to be adept.
In my current position, I was assigned a new "book" authored in Word and
saved as an RTF to convert to FrameMaker. That was in September 2007. I
still occasionally discover some obscure, Microsoft-specific wonkiness
deeply embedded in my converted files.

You mention "(... half my company's docs are written using Word)." IMHO,
Word may be the correct authoring tool for many short documents. Word is
not, however, an appropriate authoring tool for sets of documentation
that may span many chapters, require periodic revisions, and be targeted
for production-quality end use...regards, Kelly.

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Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:27 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

Hi,

I am a fanatical Frame user but it looks as though I am going to have to
convert my docs to Word (long story, but half my company's docs are
written using Word). I know this question comes up time after time, but
most responses refer to old reviews and comparisons (though probably the
only ones that exist on the web). 

I work well and efficiently in Frame, and know exactly what it can and
can't do. I enjoy using it. I am scared that working in Word will be
less efficient, more frustrating, and that it will crash and screw up my
documents.

Can anyone provide or point me to an up to date comparison of Frame 8 or
9 vs Word 2007 (or later?). I know this is hard because very few folks
use both tools extensively and know what each is capable of. Frame fans
say that Word sucks, and Word fans say it doesn't. Tit for tat. 

Is Word's multifile functionality still broken? Does it produce
hyperlinked index entries by default. Does the latest Word have any
serious problems or deficiencies, and which Frame functionality will I
miss that makes working in Word harder or more time-comsuming.

If I can present an argument that justifies sticking with Frame because
of cost-savings, I may yet be able to stave off its demise.

Many thanks! 

Ian Saunders 
Syntellect Inc (UK)

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RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

[Kelly McDaniel]

As the writer states in this post:

"It all comes down to this: 

FrameMaker is a very mature and solid product
that can handle structural complexity very well."

http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/08/which-text-editor
-to-use-for-technical-writing-adobe-framemaker-or-microsoft-word/

An anecdote:

I have over 30 years in the tech trade and consider myself to be adept.
In my current position, I was assigned a new "book" authored in Word and
saved as an RTF to convert to FrameMaker. That was in September 2007. I
still occasionally discover some obscure, Microsoft-specific wonkiness
deeply embedded in my converted files.

You mention "(... half my company's docs are written using Word)." IMHO,
Word may be the correct authoring tool for many short documents. Word is
not, however, an appropriate authoring tool for sets of documentation
that may span many chapters, require periodic revisions, and be targeted
for production-quality end use...regards, Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Saunders, Ian
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:27 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

Hi,

I am a fanatical Frame user but it looks as though I am going to have to
convert my docs to Word (long story, but half my company's docs are
written using Word). I know this question comes up time after time, but
most responses refer to old reviews and comparisons (though probably the
only ones that exist on the web). 

I work well and efficiently in Frame, and know exactly what it can and
can't do. I enjoy using it. I am scared that working in Word will be
less efficient, more frustrating, and that it will crash and screw up my
documents.

Can anyone provide or point me to an up to date comparison of Frame 8 or
9 vs Word 2007 (or later?). I know this is hard because very few folks
use both tools extensively and know what each is capable of. Frame fans
say that Word sucks, and Word fans say it doesn't. Tit for tat. 

Is Word's multifile functionality still broken? Does it produce
hyperlinked index entries by default. Does the latest Word have any
serious problems or deficiencies, and which Frame functionality will I
miss that makes working in Word harder or more time-comsuming.

If I can present an argument that justifies sticking with Frame because
of cost-savings, I may yet be able to stave off its demise.

Many thanks! 

Ian Saunders 
Syntellect Inc (UK)

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Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

You know, I have never been afraid to be absolutely wrong on any given
statement. Sometimes, it's the action that triggers folks to respond
with good information. I have often been mistookened for stoopid. Thanks
for thinking "motivation."

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reid Gray
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:11 PM
To: k.zorn at zorntech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Barry.Maid at asu.edu
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

Kelly's post was a real motivator.  Terrific information.  I hope
somebody is tabulating it!

How about professional writing programs?  That might be useful
information as well. 

Reid



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Karen L. Zorn
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 3:51 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Barry.Maid at asu.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Writing Certificate



University of Arizona, Polytechnic has a very robust undergrad Technical
Writing degree program. Most/all of the courses are online. They are in
the process of launching a graduate program.

For more information, you can contact Dr. Barry Maid
(Barry.Maid at asu.edu).

Karen L. Zorn
ZornTech LLC

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> 
> IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
> associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
> problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited
educational
> institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
> with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.
>
> seawin22 at aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello Framers:
>
> Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
> that I can take to become a technical writer?
>
> What is the best online writing course available??
>
> Thanks from a Newbie!
>
>  
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Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yeah, I stand very well corrected...best regards.

-Original Message-
From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:14 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

I would like to politely disagree. I have a Certificate from
Northeastern U. in Boston and it has served me very well. I am fortunate
enough to have a strong technical background so maybe that is why the
Certificate has been more than enough for me when job hunting. I have
included some links below, I hope you find these useful. 
Rick

http://www.cps.neu.edu/bs_techcomm/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/techcom/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/technical-communications

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/communications


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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:13 PM
To: seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate


Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

-Original Message-
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seawin22 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

Thanks from a Newbie!
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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

You know, I have never been afraid to be absolutely wrong on any given
statement. Sometimes, it's the action that triggers folks to respond
with good information. I have often been mistookened for stoopid. Thanks
for thinking "motivation."

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reid Gray
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:11 PM
To: k.z...@zorntech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: barry.m...@asu.edu
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

Kelly's post was a real motivator.  Terrific information.  I hope
somebody is tabulating it!
 
How about professional writing programs?  That might be useful
information as well. 
 
Reid



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Karen L. Zorn
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 3:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: barry.m...@asu.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Writing Certificate



University of Arizona, Polytechnic has a very robust undergrad Technical
Writing degree program. Most/all of the courses are online. They are in
the process of launching a graduate program.

For more information, you can contact Dr. Barry Maid
(barry.m...@asu.edu).

Karen L. Zorn
ZornTech LLC

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> 
> IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
> associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
> problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited
educational
> institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
> with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.
>
> seawi...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello Framers:
>
> Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
> that I can take to become a technical writer?
>
> What is the best online writing course available??
>
> Thanks from a Newbie!
>
>  
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Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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seawin22 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yeah, I stand very well corrected...best regards.

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From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:14 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; seawi...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

I would like to politely disagree. I have a Certificate from
Northeastern U. in Boston and it has served me very well. I am fortunate
enough to have a strong technical background so maybe that is why the
Certificate has been more than enough for me when job hunting. I have
included some links below, I hope you find these useful. 
Rick

http://www.cps.neu.edu/bs_techcomm/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/techcom/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/technical-communications

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/communications
 

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McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:13 PM
To: seawi...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate


Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

-Original Message-
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McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: seawi...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
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What is the best online writing course available?? 

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Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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seawin22 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

-Original Message-
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McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: seawi...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Kelly McDaniel]

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Window position and size is a property of the (Windows) operating
system. These properties are exposed in the API, but Adobe has not coded
to them. Lexmation offers RestoreWindows ini and dll.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left
side of
> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to
have a
> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have
to
> shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to
a 
button that's pretty small.

> This is a total waste of my
> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They
have 
> made
> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty"
on
> everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the
book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the
default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than
necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the
header 
bar.

Mike Wickham


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FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Please.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran,
Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

> --
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
> From: RJ Jacquez 
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> To: Mike Wickham , Frame Users
>   
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
> in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
> launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
> exactly where to start.  
> 
> However I do agree that there should be a preference 
> somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
> like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
> recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
> 
> The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
> goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
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FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sounds like the paragraph tag catalog display is losing track of the top
layer context.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 AM
To: TCS-Users at googlegroups.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format > Paragraphs > Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not
even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in
my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion * Managing Director * Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu  * skype: yves.barbion  * T: +32 494 12 01 89
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RE: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Window position and size is a property of the (Windows) operating
system. These properties are exposed in the API, but Adobe has not coded
to them. Lexmation offers RestoreWindows ini and dll.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thumbs down: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

> I also do not like the fact that FM9 opens a book file on the left
side of
> the FM window and its huge and docked.  The last thing I need is to
have a
> book file take up 1/3 of the screen.  It's also VERY annoying to have
to
> shrink it and move it every time I open it.

Clicking on the double arrow above the book file tab shrinks the file to
a 
button that's pretty small.

> This is a total waste of my
> time. The book file needs to return to the screen in whatever size and
> position it is saved in, just like FM8 and previous versions. They
have 
> made
> FM considerably less productive by forcing somebody's idea of "pretty"
on
> everyone.

Interesting. No version of FrameMaker ever remembered the size of the
book 
file window for me. I always had to resize it larger. In FM9, the
default 
window is tall enough that I can see the whole tree in the book file
without 
resizing. I like it-- though I find the window to be wider than
necessary. 
It extends about an inch to the right of the rightmost icon in the
header 
bar.

Mike Wickham


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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Please.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corcoran,
Susan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:33 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

So RJ, for those of us who are not new users and don't like the welcome
screen, is there some way (say in the maker.ini) we can turn it off?  


Susan Corcoran
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

> --
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:54 -0700
> From: RJ Jacquez 
> Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen
> To: Mike Wickham , Frame Users
>   
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> One of the drivers behind our decision for the Welcome Screen 
> in FM9 came from new users' feedback, who found themselves 
> launching FrameMaker to a blank screen and didn't know 
> exactly where to start.  
> 
> However I do agree that there should be a preference 
> somewhere for turning it off for more seasoned users, but 
> like Mike, I find it extremely usefully for displaying my 
> recent files as soon as I launch the product.  
> 
> The good news is that for those of you, who find it odd, it 
> goes away as soon as you open a frame doc.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> RJ J?cquez
> Senior Product Evangelist
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RE: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

[Kelly McDaniel]

Sounds like the paragraph tag catalog display is losing track of the top
layer context.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 AM
To: tcs-us...@googlegroups.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 UI bug: Para Catalog displays incorrect Tags

Hi

I just found another bug in the FM9 UI. This is what I do:

1. Choose Format > Paragraphs > Catalog to display the Catalog.

I see two tabs in the Catalog: Para Catalog and Structure View.

2. Click the Structure View tag and move the Para Catalog around on my
screen.

3. Click the Para Catalog tab again.

Result: I just see a limited set of tags (Body, CellBody, CellHeading,
Footnote, Heading, TableFootnote, TableTitle and Title) which are not
even
used in my document. This happens sometimes, not always. When I click in
my
document, I see the full list of tags again.

Can anyone else reproduce and confirm this?

Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion * Managing Director * Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu  * skype: yves.barbion  * T: +32 494 12 01 89
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FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes, >much.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Feimster
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 AM
To: Corcoran, Susan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

> Does anyone else dislike the welcome screen?

Yes 

Mike

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Susan
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

I've just recently loaded TCS 2 and gotten a good look at FM9.  I really
like the new interface, even though it is different.  I especially like
the ability to customize it and save workspace versions.  However, I've
found the Welcome Screen to be *really* annoying.  Usually, welcome
screens disappear once an app is running, but this thing remains.  I
realize it offers some shortcuts (and a lot of Adobe marketing links),
but I can get those from my menus, just like any other Adobe
application.  I wonder why Adobe did this with Framemaker, when none of
their other applications behave this way.  Does anyone else dislike the
welcome screen?
  

Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
  susan.corcoran at honeywell.com

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RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes, >much.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Feimster
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 AM
To: Corcoran, Susan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

> Does anyone else dislike the welcome screen?

Yes 

Mike

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Susan
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:28 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Welcome Screen

I've just recently loaded TCS 2 and gotten a good look at FM9.  I really
like the new interface, even though it is different.  I especially like
the ability to customize it and save workspace versions.  However, I've
found the Welcome Screen to be *really* annoying.  Usually, welcome
screens disappear once an app is running, but this thing remains.  I
realize it offers some shortcuts (and a lot of Adobe marketing links),
but I can get those from my menus, just like any other Adobe
application.  I wonder why Adobe did this with Framemaker, when none of
their other applications behave this way.  Does anyone else dislike the
welcome screen?
  
 
Susan Corcoran
 
Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
700 Visions Drive
PO Box 208
Skaneateles Falls, NY  13153-0208
Phone: 315.554.6178
  susan.corco...@honeywell.com
 
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FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

Fantastic new bugginess?

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pat
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:43 PM
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Bugginess? Fantastic new features?

Pat
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:33 PM, John Posada wrote:

> About?
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Pat Christenson  
>  wrote:
> Any opinions? Thanks.
>
> Pat Christenson
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>
> -- 
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RE: FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

Fantastic new bugginess?

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Bugginess? Fantastic new features?

Pat
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:33 PM, John Posada wrote:

> About?
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Pat Christenson  
>  wrote:
> Any opinions? Thanks.
>
> Pat Christenson
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>
> -- 
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>
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> exhausted all the alternatives."
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>
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FM 9 bugs - I have noticed.

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks. I was about to upgrade.




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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:31 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Ref: FM 9 bugs - I have noticed.

1. FrameMaker searches and finds items, but rather than displaying the
page that contains the item, it displays the first page of the chapter
that contains the item. The found item may be many pages away, and is
not always highlighted. I sometimes see the highlighted item flash on
screen for a moment before the page jumps back to the first page of the
chapter.

2. Building blocks now missing after 9.0.1 update. 

3. Have had bullets change size and all conform to one size instead of
the 2 different assigned tags. Have to save Book after making changes to
part of the book.

4. Crash on printing from other print driver than the PDF.

5. Now cannot undo if graphic inserted and I don't want it, I have to
close without saving and then reopen to start all over. 





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RE: FM 9 bugs - I have noticed.

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Subject: Ref: FM 9 bugs - I have noticed.

1. FrameMaker searches and finds items, but rather than displaying the
page that contains the item, it displays the first page of the chapter
that contains the item. The found item may be many pages away, and is
not always highlighted. I sometimes see the highlighted item flash on
screen for a moment before the page jumps back to the first page of the
chapter.

2. Building blocks now missing after 9.0.1 update. 

3. Have had bullets change size and all conform to one size instead of
the 2 different assigned tags. Have to save Book after making changes to
part of the book.

4. Crash on printing from other print driver than the PDF.

5. Now cannot undo if graphic inserted and I don't want it, I have to
close without saving and then reopen to start all over. 

 

 

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Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Kelly McDaniel]

That's what I do...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel
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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Framers
Subject: Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

Good point Fred.

But you could take a dummy file which only has the new par tag (and no 
other par tags) and import the par tags from that file to all the files 
in the book. Then do the search and replace.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Diane Gaskill's question about a method of 
>
> propagating a new paragraph format across a book, Art 
>
> Campbell wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Yup. Just set "book" to the apply range and you should be all set.
>> 
>
>   
>> Remember that it won't remove the old tag, but the new one should be
>> 
>
>   
>> in place.
>> 
>
>  
>
>   
>>> Can this method be used to globally rename a tag across a set of
book files?
>>>   
>
>  
>
>   
 Or, create one of your Callout_Large paras, then Copy Special 
 
>
>   
 Paragraph Format.
 
>
>   
 In the Find dialog box, specify the book range, search for
 
>
>   
 Callout_Regular, and replace by pasting.
 
>
>  
>
> Note that while this technique does paste the new tag name and
>
> its format properties into each file where it makes a replacement,
>
> it does *not* add it to the Paragraph Catalog, so that it will show
>
> up as an override (asterisked) in all files except the one where you
>
> originally applied it. And also note that it will not add the new 
>
> tag name and formatting at all to any file where the old tag was 
>
> not actually applied to a paragraph in the document, so the new
>
> tag may or may not be ubiquitous after using this technique. 
>
>  
>
> So while this approach may be a quick and dirty alternative to using
>
> a script or a plug-in to do the tag renaming/replacement, you may
>
> ultimately find it to be a little too far on the dirty side and not as

>
> quick as it first seems.
>
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RE: Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Kelly McDaniel]

That's what I do...Kelly.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel
Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Framers
Subject: Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

Good point Fred.

But you could take a dummy file which only has the new par tag (and no 
other par tags) and import the par tags from that file to all the files 
in the book. Then do the search and replace.

-- 
Regards,
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Technical Writer
052-763-7133

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Diane Gaskill's question about a method of 
>
> propagating a new paragraph format across a book, Art 
>
> Campbell wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Yup. Just set "book" to the apply range and you should be all set.
>> 
>
>   
>> Remember that it won't remove the old tag, but the new one should be
>> 
>
>   
>> in place.
>> 
>
>  
>
>   
>>> Can this method be used to globally rename a tag across a set of
book files?
>>>   
>
>  
>
>   
 Or, create one of your Callout_Large paras, then Copy Special 
 
>
>   
 Paragraph Format.
 
>
>   
 In the Find dialog box, specify the book range, search for
 
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>   
 Callout_Regular, and replace by pasting.
 
>
>  
>
> Note that while this technique does paste the new tag name and
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>
> it does *not* add it to the Paragraph Catalog, so that it will show
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> up as an override (asterisked) in all files except the one where you
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>
> tag name and formatting at all to any file where the old tag was 
>
> not actually applied to a paragraph in the document, so the new
>
> tag may or may not be ubiquitous after using this technique. 
>
>  
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> So while this approach may be a quick and dirty alternative to using
>
> a script or a plug-in to do the tag renaming/replacement, you may
>
> ultimately find it to be a little too far on the dirty side and not as

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S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
That's relativity." Albert Einstein

-Original Message-
From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me! 


-Gillian


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Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

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S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
That's relativity." Albert Einstein

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From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me! 


-Gillian


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Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Kelly McDaniel]

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

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Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

When you work locally, the primary processing choke points are CPU clock
speed, bus speed, and hard drive read/write transfer rate. Swap file
available space and hard drive available space also come into play, but
we're comparing local to network access.

When you work over a LAN, the transfer rates are much, much less than
clock, bus, and drive head. TCP/IP retransmits dropped and corrupted
packets, network traffic has an impact, plus, your sysadmin may throttle
applications that are not mission-critical at their discretion...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

Hi all,

As suggested by several of you, I tried opening all the files at once.
This
caused FrameMaker to have a seizure, freeze, and crashed. Then, I tried
copying the frame files and book to my desktop and it worked fine.  I
had
always known that working locally with framemaker means everything
processes
faster, but I didn't realize it made that much difference.  I work on
300 to
400 page books on this network, and FrameMaker handles those books fine.
I
suppose its possible that 600 page books are the limit for the
particular
network that I am on.

Unfortunately, due to work requirements, its no possible to work on
local
copies and then copy them up at the end of the day. I did this at
another
place I worked at because that company's network was so slow that you
couldn't do anything with FrameMaker on the network, and it worked
great.

-- 
Sincerely,

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RE: Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

When you work locally, the primary processing choke points are CPU clock
speed, bus speed, and hard drive read/write transfer rate. Swap file
available space and hard drive available space also come into play, but
we're comparing local to network access.

When you work over a LAN, the transfer rates are much, much less than
clock, bus, and drive head. TCP/IP retransmits dropped and corrupted
packets, network traffic has an impact, plus, your sysadmin may throttle
applications that are not mission-critical at their discretion...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

Hi all,

As suggested by several of you, I tried opening all the files at once.
This
caused FrameMaker to have a seizure, freeze, and crashed. Then, I tried
copying the frame files and book to my desktop and it worked fine.  I
had
always known that working locally with framemaker means everything
processes
faster, but I didn't realize it made that much difference.  I work on
300 to
400 page books on this network, and FrameMaker handles those books fine.
I
suppose its possible that 600 page books are the limit for the
particular
network that I am on.

Unfortunately, due to work requirements, its no possible to work on
local
copies and then copy them up at the end of the day. I did this at
another
place I worked at because that company's network was so slow that you
couldn't do anything with FrameMaker on the network, and it worked
great.

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini
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FM9 show stoppers

[Kelly McDaniel]

"A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over."

I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 show stoppers

Trying to use FM9 reveals beside the goodies (modern interface, 
enhanced book handling, list of referenced files, variables, cross 
references, ...) also some misbehaviour becomes obvious:

The first one has already been mentioned here:
Various lists (? format by F9, variable names by CTRL+0, ...) do no 
more behave as usual: 

Having the formats ln-list-narrow and lc-list-check and want to get ln, 
i must type l, then arrow-down. Typing ln applies the format n1-
numbered-1st. 
Up to FM-8 we entered l, n, enter. The enter must now be avoided like 
hell, if the item is the only one in the list starting with that 
character. 

This was not a special feature of FM-8 and beyond, but is common 
behaviour in Windows. In an Open dialog, entering abc opens the list of 
files: first all beginning with a, then beginning with ab, then with 
abc - which is _very_ vonvenient (well, this might be to an option in 
the UI, but on my XP it works this way).

The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I 
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to many 
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is 
not possible)? I have already switched off "show warnings while 
cleaning history", "Checkout HTTP...", "Upload HTTP..." in preferences.

Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r-e-v-
e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program 
has this behaviour.

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over. 
Since we are now working with larger screens (i have a 24" + a 22" side 
by side) easy recognition of items on this real estate is key for 
speedy work.

A reason for my displeasure:
FrameMaker users are keyboard-people, while CS (creative) users in the 
graphic area are mouse oriented. For graphic work this is also the case 
with me. But authoring text is typing and applying formats by short 
cuts. 

With the large screens FM9 now supports it is slowing down my work 
significantly to take the mouse for such operations, even with a tablet 
which gives more instant access to remote locations on a screen.

Althoug I like most of the new things - the feeling under my fingertips 
is bad.

Klaus daube
http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin verpassen.
~~
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Screen Capture

[Kelly McDaniel]

Same for me. Fast, cheap, and stable...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:33 PM
To: Brian Lamborn
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Screen Capture

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt
worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import
in
one action from with in FM.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
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and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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apply.
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Lamborn
wrote:

> All,
>
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
>
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
> works best?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian Lamborn
> blamborn at comcast.net
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RE: FM9 show stoppers

[Kelly McDaniel]

"A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over."

I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 show stoppers

Trying to use FM9 reveals beside the goodies (modern interface, 
enhanced book handling, list of referenced files, variables, cross 
references, ...) also some misbehaviour becomes obvious:

The first one has already been mentioned here:
Various lists (¶ format by F9, variable names by CTRL+0, ...) do no 
more behave as usual: 

Having the formats ln-list-narrow and lc-list-check and want to get ln, 
i must type l, then arrow-down. Typing ln applies the format n1-
numbered-1st. 
Up to FM-8 we entered l, n, enter. The enter must now be avoided like 
hell, if the item is the only one in the list starting with that 
character. 

This was not a special feature of FM-8 and beyond, but is common 
behaviour in Windows. In an Open dialog, entering abc opens the list of 
files: first all beginning with a, then beginning with ab, then with 
abc - which is _very_ vonvenient (well, this might be to an option in 
the UI, but on my XP it works this way).

The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I 
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to many 
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is 
not possible)? I have already switched off "show warnings while 
cleaning history", "Checkout HTTP...", "Upload HTTP..." in preferences.

Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r-e-v-
e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program 
has this behaviour.

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over. 
Since we are now working with larger screens (i have a 24" + a 22" side 
by side) easy recognition of items on this real estate is key for 
speedy work.

A reason for my displeasure:
FrameMaker users are keyboard-people, while CS (creative) users in the 
graphic area are mouse oriented. For graphic work this is also the case 
with me. But authoring text is typing and applying formats by short 
cuts. 

With the large screens FM9 now supports it is slowing down my work 
significantly to take the mouse for such operations, even with a tablet 
which gives more instant access to remote locations on a screen.

Althoug I like most of the new things - the feeling under my fingertips 
is bad.

Klaus daube
http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin verpassen.
~~
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Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
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RE: Screen Capture

[Kelly McDaniel]

Same for me. Fast, cheap, and stable...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:33 PM
To: Brian Lamborn
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Screen Capture

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt
worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import
in
one action from with in FM.

Art

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and a
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apply.
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Lamborn
wrote:

> All,
>
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
>
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
> works best?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian Lamborn
> blamb...@comcast.net
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