RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Rene Stephenson
Bummer. So much for that idea. I guess I'll just keep running Paragraph Tools as part of the conversion process. We're moving toward automating the PDF creation process from our FM files, though, and I don't know if we'll be able to get it fully automated if we're having to run a plugin

RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:37 -0700 12/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote: We're moving toward automating the PDF creation process from our FM files, though, and I don't know if we'll be able to get it fully automated if we're having to run a plugin between importing from the settings file to switch conditions and

RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:43 +0100 12/4/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: I think the original idea came from Hedley Finger, for which, thanks. Grovel: it was Hayden Jones. Thanks anyway: Hedley's a hero too ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:16 -0700 11/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote: >I just did a test and found it happening when condition-tagged text is not >adjacent to the BlockLine para tag, too. But, I can't trigger it without >changing the show/hide conditions. I wonder if it could be something triggered >by show/hide

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Rene Stephenson
Bummer. So much for that idea. I guess I'll just keep running Paragraph Tools as part of the conversion process. We're moving toward automating the PDF creation process from our FM files, though, and I don't know if we'll be able to get it fully automated if we're having to run a plugin

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:37 -0700 12/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote: >We're moving toward automating the PDF creation process from our FM files, >though, and I don't know if we'll be able to get it fully automated if we're >having to run a plugin between importing from the settings file to switch >conditions and

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:43 +0100 12/4/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: > I think the original idea came from Hedley Finger, for which, thanks. Grovel: it was Hayden Jones. Thanks anyway: Hedley's a hero too ;-) -- Steve

RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson
We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
I believe that earlier FrameMaker releases were limited to 4pt as the smallest font size. With the 2pt minimum now allowed, perhaps it's possible that the conditional text programming wasn't changed accordingly. I think earlier in this thread a larger point size was noted also to fail, so

RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:16 -0700 11/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote: We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, it doesn't happen

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Reng, Winfried Dr.
s+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > ]On Behalf > Of Steve Rickaby > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:43 PM > To: Art Campbell; Framers; Ridder, Fred > Subject: Re: Maddening problem with frame below > > > At 14:10 -0400 30/3/07, Art Campbell wrote: > > >It alm

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:42 +0200 11/4/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote: >I have a similar problem. I have an infoicon paragraph in the sidehead area >with a Frame below which holds the info icon. The paragraph font size is 2 pt, >the space above is 22 pt. Now and then the font size and the space above >change to

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson
We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
I believe that earlier FrameMaker releases were limited to 4pt as the smallest font size. With the 2pt minimum now allowed, perhaps it's possible that the conditional text programming wasn't changed accordingly. I think earlier in this thread a larger point size was noted also to fail, so

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:16 -0700 11/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote: >We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt >font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the >reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. >Incientally, it doesn't

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson
Steve Rickaby wrote:>I guess by the 'same problem', you're referring to Winifried's, not mine. Yes, sorry. >I'm not using sideheads here, so I'd guess that if it's a bug, it's related to >the reference page graphic. OK, in light of this and Peter's comment about earlier in this thread

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:10 -0400 30/3/07, Art Campbell wrote: It almost sounds like a display problem. Does it snap back into place when you do a Ctrl-L? ...and Fred wrote something similar. Well, it's just happened again, and no, it's not the screen redraw bug. The misplaced rule survived a ctrl-L, and I had

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Art Campbell
Weird. There isn't a lot of white space in the container around the rule on the Ref Page, is there? No chance there's any other container there, maybe an empty/invisible one? If it looks clean, I'd try the Wash-to-MIF maneuver just to make sure that the file isn't corrupted (the original text

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:50 -0400 10/4/07, Art Campbell wrote: There isn't a lot of white space in the container around the rule on the Ref Page, is there? No chance there's any other container there, maybe an empty/invisible one? I've just pulled it apart, and, sadly, no. 'Sadly' because it would have been a

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Art: Is it possible that the character tag used in the bullet paragraph has a font-size attribute that varies sometimes, perhaps due to a rounding error? Similarly, have you looked at the line-space (leading) and font size of the paragraph format? Oh, and one more thing: in a narrow

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:50 -0500 10/4/07, Mike Wickham wrote: Grasping at straws, here, but I vaguely recall a problem I had with similar reference line. After testing it, I had decided that I wanted to move the line up closer to the text it followed. So I went to the reference page to tweak it. I can't

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:10 -0400 30/3/07, Art Campbell wrote: >It almost sounds like a display problem. Does it snap back into place >when you do a Ctrl-L? ...and Fred wrote something similar. Well, it's just happened again, and no, it's not the screen redraw bug. The misplaced rule survived a -L, and I had to

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Art Campbell
Weird. There isn't a lot of white space in the container around the rule on the Ref Page, is there? No chance there's any other container there, maybe an empty/invisible one? If it looks clean, I'd try the Wash-to-MIF maneuver just to make sure that the file isn't corrupted (the original text is

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:50 -0400 10/4/07, Art Campbell wrote: >There isn't a lot of white space in the container around the rule on >the Ref Page, is there? >No chance there's any other container there, maybe an empty/invisible one? I've just pulled it apart, and, sadly, no. 'Sadly' because it would have been a

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Art: Is it possible that the character tag used in the bullet paragraph has a font-size attribute that varies sometimes, perhaps due to a rounding error? Similarly, have you looked at the line-space (leading) and font size of the paragraph format? Oh, and one more thing: in a narrow

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:50 -0500 10/4/07, Mike Wickham wrote: >Grasping at straws, here, but I vaguely recall a problem I had with similar >reference line. After testing it, I had decided that I wanted to move the line >up closer to the text it followed. So I went to the reference page to tweak >it. I can't

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-03-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
I wonder if anyone can help me with an inexplicable irritation. I have a para format with an under-rule graphic taken off the reference page and applied with the Frame blow pgf feature in the Advanced pane of the para designer. When the format is initially applied to the para, the rule appears

Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-03-30 Thread Art Campbell
It almost sounds like a display problem. Does it snap back into place when you do a Ctrl-L? Art On 3/30/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can help me with an inexplicable irritation. I have a para format with an under-rule graphic taken off the reference page and

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-03-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
I wonder if anyone can help me with an inexplicable irritation. I have a para format with an under-rule graphic taken off the reference page and applied with the Frame blow pgf feature in the Advanced pane of the para designer. When the format is initially applied to the para, the rule appears

Maddening problem with frame below

2007-03-30 Thread Art Campbell
It almost sounds like a display problem. Does it snap back into place when you do a Ctrl-L? Art On 3/30/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: > I wonder if anyone can help me with an inexplicable irritation. > > I have a para format with an under-rule graphic taken off the reference page > and applied