Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Left out the "No Joy" after the OK part. . . 

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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Tammy Van Boening]

OK, and I have an idea as to why, but it's just not worth the brain death to 
fix the issue. At this point, it's just easier to manually add the bottom 
border line and move on.  I do appreciate all the replies.

Tammy Van Boening
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> Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:44 PM
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> 
> Thank you! I will give this a try.
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Tom Beiswenger
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:32 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Graphics question
> >
> > Tammy,
> >
> > Not sure that this will help, but every MS file - Word, PowerPoint,
> > Excel - are also zip files. If you right-click on the file name,
> > you'll see a menu that includes 7-zip and an option to open the
> > archive file. In the xl folder, you should see a media folder. If
> > there are any graphics in the Excel file, they will be listed individually 
> > there.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Tom Beiswenger
> > Mgr. IB Technical Documentation Project Manager
> >
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> > Emhart Glass Manufacturing Inc.
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> > +1 607
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+tom.beiswenger=emhartglass@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
> > To: Framers List 
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can
> > articulate the issue what I am running into. I have many Excel
> > charts/graphics that I must incorporate into a manual. My SME has
> > provided these graphics in an Excel spreadsheet, with one graphic per
> tab/sheet.
> >
> > I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER
> > bothered to fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic
> > context menu (right- click the any border of the graphic to open the
> > context menu) just got nuked/blown away after some long ago updates
> > and never added back in to the menu, so the workaround is to
> > right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the copied
> > graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the
> > graphic in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this
> > and then save the picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with
> borders, legends . . . Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.
> >
> > Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when
> > opened in SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly
> > displayed - you can see all four borders (top, bottom, and right and
> > left sides); however, when I then import the graphic by reference into
> > an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 64-bit), the bottom border
> > NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a display funkiness in
> > the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, and open
> > the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just
> > not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have
> > to manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is
> > already displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the
> bottom border shows. Does this even  make sense?
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to
> > do about it, I would sincerely appreciate it.
> >
> > TVB
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Jeff Coatsworth]

I only do that (renaming) if I don't have any other zip tools installed - only 
the Windows one

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Graphics question

Jeff, you don't have to rename it. The zip archive can be opened via the 7-zip 
item that appears when you right-click on the file name. I have a couple of 
Excel files that have graphics embedded in them. Had no trouble finding them in 
the media folder.



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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question

What about the old .xlsx (&.docx) trick of making a copy, renaming it as .zip 
and extracting the contents? The images will all be in a Media sub-folder.

From: Framers 
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of Tammy Van Boening 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Graphics question

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[david davidartman . com]

If you don't have 7-Zip, you can rename the file extension to . zip and then 
unzip it using the Windows zip file handler.

David

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From: Tom Beiswenger 
Date: 10/19/22 14:33 (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Graphics question

Tammy,

Not sure that this will help, but every MS file - Word, PowerPoint, Excel - are 
also zip files. If you right-click on the file name, you'll see a menu that 
includes 7-zip and an option to open the archive file. In the xl folder, you 
should see a media folder. If there are any graphics in the Excel file, they 
will be listed individually there.



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Mgr. IB Technical Documentation Project Manager

Bucher Emhart Glass
Emhart Glass Manufacturing Inc.
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M + 607 769 4779
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From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Tom Beiswenger]

Jeff, you don't have to rename it. The zip archive can be opened via the 7-zip 
item that appears when you right-click on the file name. I have a couple of 
Excel files that have graphics embedded in them. Had no trouble finding them in 
the media folder.



Tom Beiswenger
Mgr. IB Technical Documentation Project Manager

Bucher Emhart Glass
Emhart Glass Manufacturing Inc.
74 Kahler Road North, Horseheads, NY 14845, USA
T +1 607 735 2600, D +1 607 735 2551
M + 607 769 4779
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-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:31 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question

What about the old .xlsx (&.docx) trick of making a copy, renaming it as .zip 
and extracting the contents? The images will all be in a Media sub-folder.

From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Tammy Van Boening 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
To: Framers List 
Subject: [Framers] Graphics question

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
https://che01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__url.avanan.click_v2_-5F-5F-5Fwww.spectrumwritingllc.com-5F-5F-5F.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzowM2VjNzIxZjQzOWMwNWUwZmE2ZDU4Y2I4YWEwYjM4MTo2Ojc1ZTY6NjIwNTQ3YmI3NmM3NTE2NTk5YjkxZDEyMmI3Yjc4MzViOGVmZTNiNjM1MDg1Y2U1NDA1ZjBhMTliY2Y5M2I5NTpwOlQ%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM%26r%3DzzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ%26m%3DTKCmbENjS1_LnlGU2ebbOFkgRzNehgA9oxMKxPzaP2g%26s%3DMEtcAQyqpMaO9hRwt7vrpxWkzhaVYqMvFO7o8MGSp08%26e%3Ddata=05%7C01%7Ctom.beiswenger%40emhartglass.com%7Cb7b1a6df56dd490a335f08dab2018926%7C48fe31eec2a24cfc8819af93a933079b%7C0%7C0%7C638018016904982862%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=g7SQb4rT5QJ8489vuDi3ZsJ11%2BGDLqzzJTdn4HQyZjo%3Dreserved=0

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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you! I will give this a try.

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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> Behalf Of Tom Beiswenger
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:32 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Graphics question
> 
> Tammy,
> 
> Not sure that this will help, but every MS file - Word, PowerPoint, Excel - 
> are
> also zip files. If you right-click on the file name, you'll see a menu that
> includes 7-zip and an option to open the archive file. In the xl folder, you
> should see a media folder. If there are any graphics in the Excel file, they 
> will
> be listed individually there.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Beiswenger
> Mgr. IB Technical Documentation Project Manager
> 
> Bucher Emhart Glass
> Emhart Glass Manufacturing Inc.
> 74 Kahler Road North, Horseheads, NY 14845, USA T +1 607 735 2600, D +1 607
> 735 2551 M + 607 769 4779 bucheremhartglass.com
> 
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> Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
> To: Framers List 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question
> 
> OK,
> 
> This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
> issue
> what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must
> incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel
> spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.
> 
> I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered
> to fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-
> click the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got
> nuked/blown away after some long ago updates and never added back in to
> the menu, so the workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and
> then Paste the copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click
> on the graphic in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this 
> and
> then save the picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders,
> legends . . . Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.
> 
> Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened
> in SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see
> all four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then
> import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker
> (2019, 64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was
> just a display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file 
> as a
> PDF, and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom
> border is just not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I 
> then
> have to manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is
> already displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom
> border shows. Does this even  make sense?
> 
> If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about
> it, I would sincerely appreciate it.
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Jeff Coatsworth]

What about the old .xlsx (&.docx) trick of making a copy, renaming it as .zip 
and extracting the contents? The images will all be in a Media sub-folder.

From: Framers 
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of Tammy Van Boening 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
To: Framers List 
Subject: [Framers] Graphics question

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Tom Beiswenger]

Tammy,

Not sure that this will help, but every MS file - Word, PowerPoint, Excel - are 
also zip files. If you right-click on the file name, you'll see a menu that 
includes 7-zip and an option to open the archive file. In the xl folder, you 
should see a media folder. If there are any graphics in the Excel file, they 
will be listed individually there.



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-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:35 PM
To: Framers List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Graphics question

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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Re: [Framers] Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

IIRC, what I used to do with this was to add a very tiny (3pt?) para 
below the image in the frame.  I've also used a graphics tool to add 3pt 
of white/transparent to the bottom of the image.


Grant


-- Original Message --

From "Tammy Van Boening" 

To "Framers List" 
Date 10/19/2022 10:35:27 AM
Subject [Framers] Graphics question


OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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[Framers] Graphics question

[Tammy Van Boening]

OK,

This is kinda' a combination question, and I hope that I can articulate the 
issue what I am running into. I have many Excel charts/graphics that I must 
incorporate into a manual. My SME has provided these graphics in an Excel 
spreadsheet, with one graphic per tab/sheet.

I have Excel 2016, and there is a known issue that Microsoft NEVER bothered to 
fix in that the Save As Picture option on the graphic context menu (right-click 
the any border of the graphic to open the context menu) just got nuked/blown 
away after some long ago updates and never added back in to the menu, so the 
workaround is to right-click the graphic, select Copy, and then Paste the 
copied graphic into a blank PPT slide. You can then right-click on the graphic 
in PPT and the Save as Picture option is there, so I do this and then save the 
picture as a PNG and it looks just as expected with borders, legends . . . 
Nothing is missing in the pasted graphic.

Now, in both the pasted graphic in PPT and in the saved PNG when opened in 
SnagIT, the bottom border of the graphic is clearly displayed - you can see all 
four borders (top, bottom, and right and left sides); however, when I then 
import the graphic by reference into an anchored frame in Framemaker (2019, 
64-bit), the bottom border NEVER shows - I thought that maybe it was just a 
display funkiness in the source file, but when I save the source file as a PDF, 
and open the PDF and even increase the magnification, the bottom border is just 
not showing, so after I save the chart as a PNG in SnagIt, I then have to 
manually draw in the bottom border over the bottom border that is already 
displayed and then I can save the PNG and import it and the bottom border 
shows. Does this even  make sense?

If anyone has any ideas as to why I am seeing this quirk and what to do about 
it, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Theresa de Valence]

I think it's a software problem. Either the software doesn't allow free 
posting to the list, or the software is too complicated for the 
moderator to change people into unmoderated status.


Just my two cents.

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Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Craig Ede]

Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of
this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious
users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see
the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a
long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that
used to break out here every year and a half or so.]

 

Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through
without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?

 

Craig

 

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I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't
see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and
that just doesn't work for me,




 

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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Alan Litchfield]

You know, that is kind of why I do not post much anymore. Threads became 
quite confused as some posts were held back and answered earlier thread 
posts, which were themselves answered by others who posted later but 
were passed through sooner.


I think I would be a long-time framer too, by now.

True about those flame wars, but there is little evidence of them now. 
So either people are better behaved or the moderation is working.


Alan

On 4/06/14 1:52 AM, Craig Ede wrote:

Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation
of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but
serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long
waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being
moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of
the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.]

Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through
without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?

Craig

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I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I
don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after
posting and that just doesn't work for me,




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RE: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Fred Ridder]

Craig asked who is the moderator of this list at this point, and I have to say 
that I don't know. I did visit the www.frameusers.com website, and that site 
appears to still be owned by Brad Anderson, who also used to be (and maybe 
still is...) the listowner of this list.  But I also noted that there is no 
content there that is newer than July 2011 (FrameMaker 10 still being referred 
to as new), so it appears that FrameMaker and frameusers.com are not very 
high on Brad's priority list these days. 

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 You know, that is kind of why I do not post much anymore. Threads became 
 quite confused as some posts were held back and answered earlier thread 
 posts, which were themselves answered by others who posted later but 
 were passed through sooner.
 
 I think I would be a long-time framer too, by now.
 
 True about those flame wars, but there is little evidence of them now. 
 So either people are better behaved or the moderation is working.
 
 Alan
 
 On 4/06/14 1:52 AM, Craig Ede wrote:
  Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation
  of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but
  serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long
  waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being
  moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of
  the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.]
 
  Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through
  without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?
 
  Craig
 
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  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly
  *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM
  *To:* FrameMaker Users List
  *Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question
 
  I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I
  don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after
  posting and that just doesn't work for me,
 
 
 
 
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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Johan Anglemark]

I emailed a question to the moderator about this a year ago or so but 
never even got a reply. I have instead stopped writing to the list.


-j

On 2014-06-03 15:52, Craig Ede wrote:

Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation
of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but
serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long
waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being
moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of
the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.]

Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through
without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?

Craig

*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly
*Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM
*To:* FrameMaker Users List
*Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question

I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I
don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after
posting and that just doesn't work for me,





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RE: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Harding, Dan]

I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on 
this list, and the message was never posted to the list... as I expect this one 
to not be posted as well.

Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. For 
those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having to 
wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down 
communication and resolution in both directions.

On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make 
them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it's actually made 
public up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT 
response won't be seen by the originator (unless cc'd) until another 24 hours 
pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours.

This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it on, 
and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by one 
or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge of 
this list?

For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or as 
close to real time as email allows).

-Dan

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM
To: 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of 
this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious 
users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see 
the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a 
long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used 
to break out here every year and a half or so.]

Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without 
moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?

Craig

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM
To: FrameMaker Users List
Subject: FrameMaker graphics question

I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that 
just doesn't work for me,


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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Ken Poshedly]

Just to let all know that I had e-mailed the list moderator either the same day 
or one day later (and that was what? a week ago or so?), and I still don't know 
why my posts are held back.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:57 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu 
wrote:
 



I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on 
this list, and the message was never posted to the list… as I expect this one 
to not be posted as well.
 
Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. 
For those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having 
to wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down 
communication and resolution in both directions.
 
On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make 
them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it’s actually made 
public up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT 
response won’t be seen by the originator (unless cc’d) until another 24 hours 
pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours.
 
This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it 
on, and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by 
one or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge 
of this list?
 
For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or 
as close to real time as email allows).
 
-Dan
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM
To: 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
 
Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of 
this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious 
users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see 
the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a 
long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that 
used to break out here every year and a half or so.]
 
Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through 
without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?
 
Craig
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM
To: FrameMaker Users List
Subject: FrameMaker graphics question
 
I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that 
just doesn't work for me,


 

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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Theresa de Valence]

I USED to be unmoderated on this list but for some reason I got 
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and my posts show up days (and days) later.

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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Ken, 

in FM 12 you can define object formats which can be used along with the
import of graphics. (Maybe this is also possible in FM 11...). 

So, with activated option use object style, you would automatically
apply a pre-defined format to the graphic, lets say a 0.5pt line and
runaround options = zero. 

About the tables: 

You may use an anchored frame as before and first put a text frame
inside filling it 100% (width). This text frame could hold any table you
want. And btw: A table can have a title at the bottom, so there is no
need to have a second row. You could display the figure no. as redefined
table no., which would go along with the table format (and para format
used here) automatically. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Ken Poshedly: 

 I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
 my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that 
 just doesn't work for me,
 
 We produce operator and other manuals for a heavy equipment manufacturing 
 company using FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows XP plaform.
 
 1. Is there a way to force a certain width line border around all imported 
 graphics as they are brought in?
 
 2. Is there a more elegant way to insert a sequential figure number than 
 how my company currently does it?
 
 Background for question 1:
 The procedure here for inserting images is to first insert a right-aligned 
 anchored frame 3.25 in. wide. That frame is set to Run into Paragraph and 
 as already stated, Right Aligned; it is anchored to its procedural text to 
 the left, so if its procedural text is deleted or moved, that anchored frame 
 goes with it. 
 
 I then import by reference an subject image inside that anchored frame, scale 
 it to 2.75 in. wide and then right-align it inside that anchored frame. (The 
 height of the subject image, of course, then dictates the height of the 
 anchored frame, but that's no problem.) That leaves a 0.50 inch margin 
 between the left side of the subject image and the left side of the anchored 
 frame.
 
 The reason for the anchored frame, by the way, is to artificially force the 
 procedural text for that subject graphic into a one-column format. Yes, I'm 
 one of the few who still believes that a true two-column format should be 
 used throughout a book (whether or not there are images on the right), but my 
 NOT tech writing or page layout-sophisticated supervisor believes all white 
 space on a page needs to be used. Thus, most pages wind up with a mix of 
 one-column and two-column layouts. (Those paragraphs not accompanied by a 
 graphic are full-page-width, while those paragraphs with a graphic are 
 artificially left-column-width. Pretty sloppy to my way of thinking.)
 
 Anyway . . . after importing, positioning and scaling the subject image as 
 described above, I left-click on it (the image, not the anchored frame) and 
 use the Graphics toolbox icons to select a solid black border that is 0.5 pt 
 in width because all images (referenced or embedded) import naked (with no 
 line border). 
 
 So CAN a line border with a predefined width be set so we don't have to do it 
 for every image? (Of course anchored frames with images that are used 
 repeatedly are simply copied and pasted wherever required and they retain 
 their size and border attributes.)
 
 Background for question 2:
 
 After the image is imported, positioned, sized and bordered, a small text 
 box is also placed inside the anchored frame but directly below the subject 
 image and left-aligned with its left border. The empty paragraph marker 
 within that little text box is then tagged section graphic counter; it is 
 set to then automatically display the word Fig. and the applicable chapter 
 and sequential figure number separated by a hyphen. For example, Fig. 1-2. 
 Surely you get the idea.
 
 That little text box is a problem because one has to eyeball its placement to 
 make sure it's not too close and not too far from its subject graphic and 
 that it is perfectly left-aligned with the left border of its subject 
 graphic. Then the subject graphic's runaround props must be set to Do not 
 runaround or else no graphic counter text appears inside the little text 
 box.What a damn pain in the . . .!
 
 Note that we do also use full-page-width images and in those cases, I simply 
 insert a two-row, single-column table, stretch it to full-page-width, import 
 and center the image into the top row (or cell), tag the empty paragraph 
 marker inside row 2 as section graphic counter and the result is as 
 described above (left-aligned text with Fig. 1-2 or whatever), but without 
 having to create another funky little text box.
 
 I toyed with creating a one-column, two-row, right-aligned table to use this 
 method for single-column-width graphics, but FrameMaker doesn't allow text to 
 the left of a table (at least that I know of). And Frame (or a least MY 
 version) doesn't allow placement of a table 

FrameMaker graphics question

[Ken Poshedly]

I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
my 
infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just 
doesn't work for me,

We produce operator and other manuals for a heavy equipment manufacturing 
company using FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows XP plaform.

1. Is there a way to force a certain width line border around all imported 
graphics as they are brought in?

2. Is there a more elegant way to insert a sequential figure number than how 
my company currently does it?

Background for question 1:
The
 procedure here for inserting images is to first insert a right-aligned 
anchored frame 3.25 in. wide. That frame is set to Run into Paragraph 
and as already stated, Right Aligned; it is anchored to its procedural
 text to the left, so if its procedural text is deleted or  moved, that 
anchored frame goes with it. 

I then import by reference an 
subject image inside that anchored frame, scale it to 2.75 in. wide and 
then right-align it inside that anchored frame. (The height of the 
subject image, of course, then dictates the height of the anchored 
frame, but that's no problem.) That leaves a 0.50 inch margin between 
the left side of the subject image and the left side of the anchored 
frame.

The reason for the anchored frame, by the way, is to 
artificially force the procedural text for that subject graphic into a 
one-column format. Yes, I'm one of the few who still believes that a 
true two-column format should be used throughout a book (whether or not 
there are images on the right), but my NOT tech writing or page 
layout-sophisticated supervisor believes all white space on a page needs
 to be used. Thus, most pages wind up with a mix of one-column and 
two-column layouts. (Those paragraphs not accompanied by a graphic are 
full-page-width, while those paragraphs with a graphic are artificially 
left-column-width. Pretty sloppy to my way of thinking.)

Anyway .
 . . after importing, positioning and scaling the subject image as 
described above, I left-click on it (the image, not the anchored frame) 
and use the Graphics toolbox icons to select a solid black border that 
is 0.5 pt in width because all images (referenced or embedded) import 
naked (with no line border). 

So CAN a line border with a 
predefined width be set so we don't have to do it for every image? (Of 
course anchored frames with images that are used repeatedly are simply 
copied and pasted wherever required and they retain their size and 
border attributes.)

Background for question 2:

After the 
image is imported, positioned, sized and bordered, a small text box is
 also placed inside the anchored frame but directly below the subject 
image and left-aligned with its left border. The empty paragraph marker 
within that little text box is then tagged section graphic counter; it
 is set to then automatically display the word Fig. and the applicable
 chapter and sequential figure number separated by a hyphen. For 
example, Fig. 1-2. Surely you get the idea.

That little text 
box is a problem because one has to eyeball its placement to make sure 
it's not too close and not too far from its subject graphic and that it 
is perfectly left-aligned with the left border of its subject graphic. 
Then the subject graphic's runaround props must be set to Do not 
runaround or else no graphic counter text appears inside the little 
text box.What a damn pain in the . . .!

Note that we do also use 
full-page-width images and in those cases, I simply insert a two-row, 
single-column table, stretch it to full-page-width, import and center 
the image into the top row (or cell), tag the empty paragraph marker 
inside row 2 as section graphic counter and the result is as described
 above (left-aligned text with Fig. 1-2 or whatever), but without 
having to create another funky little text box.

I toyed with 
creating a one-column, two-row, right-aligned table to use this method 
for single-column-width graphics, but FrameMaker doesn't allow text to 
the left of a table (at least that I know of). And Frame (or a least MY 
version) doesn't allow placement of a table inside an anchored frame. (I
 just tried it once more and it won't.)

So again I ask if  there a way to accomplish this whole extravaganza more 
simply?

Yep, it's Friday.

Ken in Atlanta
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FrameMaker graphics question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
page, then write text on top of it.


I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
body page.


Any ideas?

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text 
in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?



--
Regards,
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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

Hi Shmuel,

Just a thought, when you inserted the graphic on the master page do you
select it the box to insert as background?





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On 8/11/11 9:41 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire
page, then write text on top of it.

I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the
body page.

Any ideas?

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text
in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?


-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:41 +0300 11/8/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire page, 
then write text on top of it.

I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the body page.

Any ideas?

Should work ok. Obvious question: is the body page you are looking at the one 
that uses the master page with the graphic? ;-)

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text in 
text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?

I'm not sure that there's a right way, but that's certainly a valid way to do 
it. It all depends on how you want the text to behave, flow/not flow, etc.

Just in case I've missed something, I've just done what you suggest and it 
works ok here. I used an all-black background on the master page and white text 
in the text frame on the body page.

The only problem you may encounter is in printing a page that contains 
edge-to-edge graphics, as many printers cannot print right to the edge of a 
page. PDFs should be fine though.

-- 
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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Mike Wickham]

Schmuel, you are on the right path, but it sounds like you clicked 
inside the text box on the master page before you imported the graphic. 
Click outside the text box before you import the graphic.


This is probably something you already know, but if this document is 
designed for printing press, don't forget to make the background graphic 
bleed. Make it slightly larger than the page size-- typically 1/8'' 
extra on all sides, then set the offset  top and left to -0.125 to 
center it. This allows for variance when the pages are cut, so that no 
white border appears in the final print.


Mike Wickham

On 8/11/2011 8:41 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
page, then write text on top of it.


I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
body page.


Any ideas?

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the 
text in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?





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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks Mike. That was the problem. I inserted the graphic inside the 
text frame on the master page. When I inserted it outside the text frame 
it worked.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


On 8/11/2011 5:14 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
Schmuel, you are on the right path, but it sounds like you clicked 
inside the text box on the master page before you imported the 
graphic. Click outside the text box before you import the graphic.


This is probably something you already know, but if this document is 
designed for printing press, don't forget to make the background 
graphic bleed. Make it slightly larger than the page size-- 
typically 1/8'' extra on all sides, then set the offset  top and left 
to -0.125 to center it. This allows for variance when the pages are 
cut, so that no white border appears in the final print.


Mike Wickham

On 8/11/2011 8:41 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
page, then write text on top of it.


I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
body page.


Any ideas?

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the 
text in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?





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FrameMaker graphics question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
page, then write text on top of it.

I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
body page.

Any ideas?

I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text 
in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?


-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson

FrameMaker graphics question

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

Hi Shmuel,

Just a thought, when you inserted the graphic on the master page do you
select it the box to insert as background?





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On 8/11/11 9:41 AM, "Shmuel Wolfson"  wrote:

>I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire
>page, then write text on top of it.
>
>I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the
>body page.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text
>in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?
>
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>Shmuel Wolfson
>
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FrameMaker graphics question

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:41 +0300 11/8/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire page, 
>then write text on top of it.
>
>I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the body page.
>
>Any ideas?

Should work ok. Obvious question: is the body page you are looking at the one 
that uses the master page with the graphic? ;-)

>I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the text in 
>text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?

I'm not sure that there's a right way, but that's certainly a valid way to do 
it. It all depends on how you want the text to behave, flow/not flow, etc.

Just in case I've missed something, I've just done what you suggest and it 
works ok here. I used an all-black background on the master page and white text 
in the text frame on the body page.

The only problem you may encounter is in printing a page that contains 
edge-to-edge graphics, as many printers cannot print right to the edge of a 
page. PDFs should be fine though.

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker graphics question

[Mike Wickham]

Schmuel, you are on the right path, but it sounds like you clicked 
inside the text box on the master page before you imported the graphic. 
Click outside the text box before you import the graphic.

This is probably something you already know, but if this document is 
designed for printing press, don't forget to make the background graphic 
"bleed." Make it slightly larger than the page size-- typically 1/8'' 
extra on all sides, then set the offset  top and left to -0.125" to 
center it. This allows for variance when the pages are cut, so that no 
white border appears in the final print.

Mike Wickham

On 8/11/2011 8:41 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
> page, then write text on top of it.
>
> I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
> body page.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the 
> text in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?
>
>

FrameMaker graphics question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks Mike. That was the problem. I inserted the graphic inside the 
text frame on the master page. When I inserted it outside the text frame 
it worked.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


On 8/11/2011 5:14 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> Schmuel, you are on the right path, but it sounds like you clicked 
> inside the text box on the master page before you imported the 
> graphic. Click outside the text box before you import the graphic.
>
> This is probably something you already know, but if this document is 
> designed for printing press, don't forget to make the background 
> graphic "bleed." Make it slightly larger than the page size-- 
> typically 1/8'' extra on all sides, then set the offset  top and left 
> to -0.125" to center it. This allows for variance when the pages are 
> cut, so that no white border appears in the final print.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
> On 8/11/2011 8:41 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>> I'd like to insert a graphic on the cover page that covers the entire 
>> page, then write text on top of it.
>>
>> I inserted the graphic on the master page, but I don't see it on the 
>> body page.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> I planned on inserting the large graphic on the master page and the 
>> text in text boxes on the body page. Is that the right way to do this?
>>
>>
>
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integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[meg miranda]

We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9 converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to Matt@RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training was 
excellent.  I highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to 
ask this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
isn't the mystery it was.

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RE: integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Never tried it - but I know it has to be in an anchored frame to convert to RH. 
I don't know of any RH settings that affect sizing like that. Do a test page 
and try it out in a new project.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of meg miranda
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:04 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: integration with Robohelp - graphics question

We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9 converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to Matt@RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training was 
excellent.  I highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to ask this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
isn't the mystery it was.

thanks all,
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Re: integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[Neeraj Jain]

You can straightaway resize in RH to make it fit with the Web page. RH also has 
a constrain proportions feature to keep height and width in balance.
 
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From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, 14 April, 2011 12:03:51 AM
Subject: RE: integration with Robohelp - graphics question

 
Never tried it - but I know it has to be in an  anchored frame to convert to 
RH. 
I don't know of any RH settings that affect  sizing like that. Do a test page 
and try it out in a new  project.



 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com  
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of meg  miranda
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:04 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: integration with Robohelp -  graphics question


We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the  web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that  happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit  the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our  environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9  converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to  Matt@RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training 
was 
excellent.  I  highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp  integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to ask  this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
 
isn't the mystery it was.

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integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[meg miranda]

We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9 converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to Matt at RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training 
was 
excellent.  I highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to 
ask this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
isn't the mystery it was.

thanks all,
meg
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integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Never tried it - but I know it has to be in an anchored frame to convert to RH. 
I don't know of any RH settings that affect sizing like that. Do a test page 
and try it out in a new project.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of meg miranda
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:04 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: integration with Robohelp - graphics question

We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9 converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to Matt at RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training 
was excellent.  I highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to ask this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
isn't the mystery it was.

thanks all,
meg

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integration with Robohelp - graphics question

[Neeraj Jain]

You can straightaway resize in RH to make it fit with the Web page. RH also has 
a constrain proportions feature to keep height and width in balance.

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Regards, 
NJ
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From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Thu, 14 April, 2011 12:03:51 AM
Subject: RE: integration with Robohelp - graphics question


Never tried it - but I know it has to be in an  anchored frame to convert to 
RH. 
I don't know of any RH settings that affect  sizing like that. Do a test page 
and try it out in a new  project.



 From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com  
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of meg  miranda
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:04 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: integration with Robohelp -  graphics question


We have a graphic that we would like to have resize with the size of the  web 
page. (think corporate logo type graphic)

Is it possible to have that  happen with settings in the robohelp project?

or do we have to hand edit  the output files after they are completed?

Notes on our  environment:
   Unstructured Frame 10
   Robohelp 9  converting to WebHelp



And as an aside, thanks to  Matt at RoundPeg.  His 4 hours of personal training 
was 
excellent.  I  highly recommend talking to him and RoundPeg if you have a 
Frame/robohelp  integration  need.  Without that help, I wouldn't even be able 
to ask  this question.  I still love webworks better, but at least now robohelp 
 
isn't the mystery it was.

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RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but the
graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What else
can I try?

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
and see what happens:

[all in one line]
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
the plus with the file after the plus.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

Art

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but the
 graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What else
 can I try?

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Martha Lee
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
 the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

 Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
 and see what happens:

 [all in one line]
 copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
 C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

 That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
 If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

 In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
 the plus with the file after the plus.

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Art,

When I right click on the output directory and select Properties, Attributes
is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
the
 graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
else
 can I try?

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Martha Lee
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
 the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

 Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
 and see what happens:

 [all in one line]
 copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
 C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

 That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
 If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

 In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
 the plus with the file after the plus.

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Hi Martha,

Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
to do.

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Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com wrote:
 Hi Art,

 When I right click on the output directory and select Properties, Attributes
 is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

 And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
 dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
 permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
 something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
 the
 graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
 else
 can I try?

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Martha Lee
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
 the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

 Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
 and see what happens:

 [all in one line]
 copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
 C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

 That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
 If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

 In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
 the plus with the file after the plus.

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Art,

This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created and
put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from being
placed in that directory?

Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties, it
has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that I
created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
attribute, it doesn't stay unset.

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Hi Martha,

Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
to do.

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
wrote:
 Hi Art,

 When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
Attributes
 is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

 And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
 dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
 permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
 something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
 the
 graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
 else
 can I try?

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Martha Lee
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee
martha@coventor.com
 wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
 the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically
copied
to the wrap directory.

 Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
 and see what happens:

 [all in one line]
 copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
 C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

 That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
 If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

 In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
 the plus with the file after the plus.

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Martha,

I don't _know_ that this is the problem -- I just suggested that you
check it because incorrect permissions have the potential to screw
things up. I agree with your logic that it seems as if a Read Only
setting should prevent creation of HTML files in those directories,
but I have also learned that it's dangerous to apply logic to computer
operations. ;-  )

If the permissions are being re-set, you may not be going high enough
up the directory tree when you change permissions. If a parent
directory is set to read-only, the child directories under it usually
inherit that setting. So I'd walk back up the directory tree to ensure
that you're getting the parent directory and change the permissions
there.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com wrote:
 Art,

 This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created and
 put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
 was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from being
 placed in that directory?

 Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties, it
 has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that I
 created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
 attribute, it doesn't stay unset.

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Hi Martha,

 Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
 set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
 supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

 I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
 the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
 created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
 that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
 to do.

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:
 Hi Art,

 When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
 Attributes
 is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

 And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
 dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
 permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
 something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
 the
 graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
 else
 can I try?

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Martha Lee
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee
 martha@coventor.com
 wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
 the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically
 copied
to the wrap directory.

 Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
 and see what happens:

 [all in one line]
 copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
 C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

 That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
 If you really remove

RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Art et al,

The problem seems to be that Mif2Go is quite happy putting any file it
creates or any file that is already in the Output directory in the wrap
directory. But it is not executing the CopyGraphicsFrom setting I have in
the mif2htm.ini file. I removed the problematic plus sign from the directory
names, and that didn't solve my problem. I can write, copy and paste to the
graphics directory and to the Mif2Go output and wrap directories. But for
some reason, Mif2Go will not copy the graphic files from the specified
directory to the wrap directory. If I execute the  copy command from the
command line, it works, but the automated process doesn't.

Anybody had this problem? Sorry for taking up so much of the list bandwidth,
but this is driving me crazy.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Martha,

I don't _know_ that this is the problem -- I just suggested that you
check it because incorrect permissions have the potential to screw
things up. I agree with your logic that it seems as if a Read Only
setting should prevent creation of HTML files in those directories,
but I have also learned that it's dangerous to apply logic to computer
operations. ;-  )

If the permissions are being re-set, you may not be going high enough
up the directory tree when you change permissions. If a parent
directory is set to read-only, the child directories under it usually
inherit that setting. So I'd walk back up the directory tree to ensure
that you're getting the parent directory and change the permissions
there.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
wrote:
 Art,

 This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created
and
 put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
 was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from
being
 placed in that directory?

 Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties,
it
 has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that
I
 created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
 attribute, it doesn't stay unset.

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Hi Martha,

 Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
 set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
 supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

 I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
 the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
 created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
 that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
 to do.

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:
 Hi Art,

 When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
 Attributes
 is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

 And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
 dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

 Thanks.

 Martha

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
 To: Martha Lee
 Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


 Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
 permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
 something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers
apply.
                                                               DoD 358



 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
 wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,

 I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
 the
 graphics are still

Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?

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RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Thanks for the suggestion, but that wasn't the problem.

Martha

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From: Jim Owens [mailto:jow...@magma.ca]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:12 PM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?


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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

 Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
 are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
 Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
 the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

   
Hi, Martha. No one seems to have followed up Jeremy's remark about 
GraphPath.  It's supposed to default to the value of WrapPath, but I 
infer that if StripGraphPath-No, it might get the original path as a 
value. This is all rather hazy for me. In a case like this, I'd set 
GraphPath explicitly just to see what happens.

Section 33.51 says you can also use relative or absolute paths in the 
GraphCopyFiles statement. That also  might be worth a try, again just to 
see what happens..
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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:04:11 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com 
wrote:

The problem seems to be that Mif2Go is quite happy putting any file it
creates or any file that is already in the Output directory in the wrap
directory. But it is not executing the CopyGraphicsFrom setting I have in
the mif2htm.ini file. I removed the problematic plus sign from the directory
names, and that didn't solve my problem. I can write, copy and paste to the
graphics directory and to the Mif2Go output and wrap directories. But for
some reason, Mif2Go will not copy the graphic files from the specified
directory to the wrap directory. If I execute the  copy command from the
command line, it works, but the automated process doesn't.

Anybody had this problem? Sorry for taking up so much of the list bandwidth,
but this is driving me crazy.

Wel, FWIW, *we've* never had that problem, nor has anyone
ever reported it before...

You didn't show [Graphics]GraphPath, so I assumed it was not
set.  If it is present, and is relative, we concatenate it
to the wrap dir to make the destination.  If it is absolute,
we simply use it as the destination for graphics.  If you
have [Automation]LogAuto=Yes, you'll see a line in the Frame
console output that shows the dir being made if it doesn't
already exist.

If that's not it, you could try doing the copy with a 
BookWrapCommand instead, as in par. 32.4.2.1, Executing a 
system command.  At least then you could set

[BookFileCommands]
BookCommandWindow=Keep

so you could see any error messages you get from Windows,
which you can't with the Automation command.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but the
graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What else
can I try?

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
wrote:

>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
the
>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
>to the wrap directory.

Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
and see what happens:

[all in one line]
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
the plus with the file after the plus.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee  wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but the
> graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What else
> can I try?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: Martha Lee
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
> wrote:
>
>>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
> the
>>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
>>to the wrap directory.
>
> Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
> and see what happens:
>
> [all in one line]
> copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
> C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
>
> That is what we run, ?I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
> If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.
>
> In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
> the plus with the file after the plus.
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Art,

When I right click on the output directory and select Properties, Attributes
is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?

And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee  wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
the
> graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
else
> can I try?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: Martha Lee
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
> wrote:
>
>>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
> the
>>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
>>to the wrap directory.
>
> Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
> and see what happens:
>
> [all in one line]
> copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
> C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
>
> That is what we run, ?I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
> If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.
>
> In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
> the plus with the file after the plus.
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>
> ___
>
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Hi Martha,

Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
to do.

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee  wrote:
> Hi Art,
>
> When I right click on the output directory and select Properties, Attributes
> is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?
>
> And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
> dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: Martha Lee
> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
> permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
> something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee  
> wrote:
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
> the
>> graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
> else
>> can I try?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Cc: Martha Lee
>> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>>>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
>> the
>>>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>>>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
>>>to the wrap directory.
>>
>> Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
>> and see what happens:
>>
>> [all in one line]
>> copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
>> C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
>>
>> That is what we run, ?I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
>> If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.
>>
>> In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
>> the plus with the file after the plus.
>>
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>>
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Art,

This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created and
put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from being
placed in that directory?

Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties, it
has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that I
created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
attribute, it doesn't stay unset.

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Hi Martha,

Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
set to read-only, as yours seem to be,  a process or user isn't
supposed to be able to create files in that directory.

I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
to do.

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee 
wrote:
> Hi Art,
>
> When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
Attributes
> is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?
>
> And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
> dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: Martha Lee
> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
> permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
> something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee 
wrote:
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
> the
>> graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
> else
>> can I try?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Cc: Martha Lee
>> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee"

>> wrote:
>>
>>>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>>>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate
>> the
>>>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>>>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically
copied
>>>to the wrap directory.
>>
>> Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
>> and see what happens:
>>
>> [all in one line]
>> copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
>> C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
>>
>> That is what we run, ?I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
>> If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.
>>
>> In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
>> the plus with the file after the plus.
>>
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>>
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Art Campbell]

Martha,

I don't _know_ that this is the problem -- I just suggested that you
check it because incorrect permissions have the potential to screw
things up. I agree with your logic that it seems as if a Read Only
setting should prevent creation of HTML files in those directories,
but I have also learned that it's dangerous to apply logic to computer
operations. ;-  )

If the permissions are being re-set, you may not be going high enough
up the directory tree when you change permissions. If a parent
directory is set to read-only, the child directories under it usually
inherit that setting. So I'd walk back up the directory tree to ensure
that you're getting the parent directory and change the permissions
there.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Martha Lee  wrote:
> Art,
>
> This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created and
> put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
> was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from being
> placed in that directory?
>
> Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties, it
> has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that I
> created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
> attribute, it doesn't stay unset.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
> To: Martha Lee
> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> Hi Martha,
>
> Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
> set to read-only, as yours seem to be, ?a process or user isn't
> supposed to be able to create files in that directory.
>
> I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
> the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
> created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
> that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
> to do.
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee 
> wrote:
>> Hi Art,
>>
>> When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
> Attributes
>> is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?
>>
>> And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
>> dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: Martha Lee
>> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>>
>>
>> Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
>> permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
>> something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Martha Lee 
> wrote:
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> I renamed the output directory so that it does not have a plus sign, but
>> the
>>> graphics are still not copied automatically to the wrap directory. What
>> else
>>> can I try?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Martha
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:25 PM
>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Cc: Martha Lee
>>> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>>>
>>>
>>&

Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Art et al,

The problem seems to be that Mif2Go is quite happy putting any file it
creates or any file that is already in the Output directory in the wrap
directory. But it is not executing the CopyGraphicsFrom setting I have in
the mif2htm.ini file. I removed the problematic plus sign from the directory
names, and that didn't solve my problem. I can write, copy and paste to the
graphics directory and to the Mif2Go output and wrap directories. But for
some reason, Mif2Go will not copy the graphic files from the specified
directory to the wrap directory. If I execute the  copy command from the
command line, it works, but the automated process doesn't.

Anybody had this problem? Sorry for taking up so much of the list bandwidth,
but this is driving me crazy.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


Martha,

I don't _know_ that this is the problem -- I just suggested that you
check it because incorrect permissions have the potential to screw
things up. I agree with your logic that it seems as if a Read Only
setting should prevent creation of HTML files in those directories,
but I have also learned that it's dangerous to apply logic to computer
operations. ;-  )

If the permissions are being re-set, you may not be going high enough
up the directory tree when you change permissions. If a parent
directory is set to read-only, the child directories under it usually
inherit that setting. So I'd walk back up the directory tree to ensure
that you're getting the parent directory and change the permissions
there.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Martha Lee 
wrote:
> Art,
>
> This is the Mif2Go output directory,and the html files are being created
and
> put in the output directory and then the wrap directory. So if the problem
> was the Read-only attribute, wouldn't also prevent the html files from
being
> placed in that directory?
>
> Also, if I right click on any folder in my C drive and select Properties,
it
> has the Read-only option selected for that folder. Even those folders that
I
> created and to which I can add or delete files. And if I unset that
> attribute, it doesn't stay unset.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM
> To: Martha Lee
> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>
>
> Hi Martha,
>
> Yes, that's what I'm asking about. If a directory's permissions are
> set to read-only, as yours seem to be, ?a process or user isn't
> supposed to be able to create files in that directory.
>
> I'd follow the directory tree upwards to find the starting point for
> the read-only setting, then change the properties to allow files to be
> created. You should get a prompt asking if you want to apply it to
> that directory or all files and sub-directories -- which you do want
> to do.
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martha Lee 
> wrote:
>> Hi Art,
>>
>> When I right click on the output directory and select Properties,
> Attributes
>> is set to Read-only. Is this what you are referring to?
>>
>> And if I unselect Read-only, click on OK, and then reopen the Properties
>> dialog, the Attributes is again set to Read-only.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: Martha Lee
>> Cc: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question
>>
>>
>> Martha, this is a long shot, but have you checked the read/write
>> permissions on all the directories in that tree, to make sure
>> something isn't inadvertently set to Read Only?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothin

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?

Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Thanks for the suggestion, but that wasn't the problem.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jim Owens [mailto:jow...@magma.ca]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:12 PM
To: Martha Lee
Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>
> Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
> are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
> Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
> the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.
>
>   
Hi, Martha. No one seems to have followed up Jeremy's remark about 
GraphPath.  It's supposed to default to the value of WrapPath, but I 
infer that if StripGraphPath-No, it might get the original path as a 
value. This is all rather hazy for me. In a case like this, I'd set 
GraphPath explicitly just to see what happens.

Section 33.51 says you can also use relative or absolute paths in the 
GraphCopyFiles statement. That also  might be worth a try, again just to 
see what happens..

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:04:11 -0400, "Martha Lee"  
wrote:

>The problem seems to be that Mif2Go is quite happy putting any file it
>creates or any file that is already in the Output directory in the wrap
>directory. But it is not executing the CopyGraphicsFrom setting I have in
>the mif2htm.ini file. I removed the problematic plus sign from the directory
>names, and that didn't solve my problem. I can write, copy and paste to the
>graphics directory and to the Mif2Go output and wrap directories. But for
>some reason, Mif2Go will not copy the graphic files from the specified
>directory to the wrap directory. If I execute the  copy command from the
>command line, it works, but the automated process doesn't.
>
>Anybody had this problem? Sorry for taking up so much of the list bandwidth,
>but this is driving me crazy.

Wel, FWIW, *we've* never had that problem, nor has anyone
ever reported it before...

You didn't show [Graphics]GraphPath, so I assumed it was not
set.  If it is present, and is relative, we concatenate it
to the wrap dir to make the destination.  If it is absolute,
we simply use it as the destination for graphics.  If you
have [Automation]LogAuto=Yes, you'll see a line in the Frame
console output that shows the dir being made if it doesn't
already exist.

If that's not it, you could try doing the copy with a 
BookWrapCommand instead, as in par. 32.4.2.1, "Executing a 
system command".  At least then you could set

[BookFileCommands]
BookCommandWindow=Keep

so you could see any error messages you get from Windows,
which you can't with the Automation command.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:58:00 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com
wrote:

I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them
results
in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change
the
wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

No, I wouldn't expect it to, since they are different actual locations.

Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
wrap directory.

That was so that the HTML files could see them if they were there.  If
the original path were preserved, they would be looking elsewhere.

This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif

See if the files are really copied this time.  If not, the path
is wrong.  But I suspect they will be copied.  When we do the
copy, we add one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

  C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?  Because + has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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Filepaths (was Re: Mif2Go graphics question)

[Les Smalley]

Never, really?  Only letters and digits?  

Since I started in the Unix world (oh so long ago), I personally hate the use 
of spaces in file names and directory paths, but have always used an underscore 
in its place if really necessary to help clarify the name.  Extra periods also 
can be used, it just looks awkward to my eyes.

The plus  symbol is  very dangerous as you point out, and although legal I 
don't like using a minus (hyphen) either (as it looks too much like the unix 
command/param switch to me).  Quotes and apostrophes are a disaster IMO as well.

Just my $0.02  

– Les Smalley

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:


The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif

See if the files are really copied this time.  If not, the path is wrong.  
But I suspect they will be copied.  When we do the copy, we add 
one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

  C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?  Because + has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/



  
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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com 
wrote:

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
and see what happens:

[all in one line]
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg 
C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

In the copy command, + means to concatenate the file before
the plus with the file after the plus.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Re: Filepaths (was Re: Mif2Go graphics question)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT), Les Smalley 
l_c_smal...@yahoo.com wrote:

Never, really?  Only letters and digits?  

Yes.  There are a few more that you can use under most (but not all(
circumstances, and several that only bollix one or two commands, but
nobody can remember which ones thay are.  ;-)  So the only *safe*
rule is to use none at all.  That, people *can* remember.  ;-)

Since I started in the Unix world (oh so long ago), I personally 
hate the use of spaces in file names and directory paths, 

Yes.  Those are not fully supported in Frame either, despite claims
to the contrary, probably because of Frame's UNIX roots.

but have always used an underscore in its place if really necessary 
to help clarify the name.  

Some UNIX systems will object, and if they turn up in a CHM's TOC
you will have problems, but otherwise they are reasonably safe.

Personally, I prefer CamelCase; it's harmless in Windows (where
file and path names are case-insensitive), and OK in UNIX (which
*is* case-sensitive, as in Web names) if you use it consistently.

Extra periods also can be used, it just looks awkward to my eyes.

It can also throw some applications that check extensions off,
but, again, it's *mostly* safe.  ;-)

The plus  symbol is  very dangerous as you point out, and although 
legal I don't like using a minus (hyphen) either (as it looks too 
much like the unix command/param switch to me).  

It *is* the switchchar, and is even accepted as that in Windows.

Quotes and apostrophes are a disaster IMO as well.

Yes, and commas, and much more.  Which is why I say, Avoid them all!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate the
online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
to the wrap directory.

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:28 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:58:00 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
wrote:

>I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them
results
>in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
>the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
>path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
>directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change
the
>wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

No, I wouldn't expect it to, since they are different actual locations.

>Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
>wrap directory.

That was so that the HTML files could see them if they were there.  If
the original path were preserved, they would be looking elsewhere.

>This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif"

See if the files are really copied this time.  If not, the path
is wrong.  But I suspect they will be copied.  When we do the
copy, we add one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

  C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?  Because "+" has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Filepaths (was Re: Mif2Go graphics question)

[Les Smalley]

Never, really?? Only letters and digits?? 

Since I started in the Unix world (oh so long ago), I personally hate the use 
of spaces in file names and directory paths, but have always used an underscore 
in its place if really necessary to help clarify the name.? Extra periods also 
can be used, it just looks awkward to my eyes.

The plus  symbol is  very dangerous as you point out, and although legal I 
don't like using a minus (hyphen) either (as it looks too much like the unix 
command/param switch to me).? Quotes and apostrophes are a disaster IMO as well.

Just my $0.02? 

? Les Smalley

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:


The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif"

See if the files are really copied this time.? If not, the path is wrong.? 
But I suspect they will be copied.? When we do the copy, we add 
one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

? C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?? Because "+" has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
? ? http://www.omsys.com/

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:52:55 -0400, "Martha Lee"  
wrote:

>Running the copy command from the command prompt works. So how do I avoid
>having to run the commands from the command line every time I regenerate the
>online help? Getting rid of the plus sign in the directory path doesn't
>solve the problem as to why the graphics aren't being automatically copied
>to the wrap directory.

Try running the *full* command, with the part containing the plus,
and see what happens:

[all in one line]
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg" 
C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

That is what we run,  I'll bet that it does *not* copy the files.
If you really remove the plus from the directory name, it will.

In the copy command, "+" means to concatenate the file before
the plus with the file after the plus.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Filepaths (was Re: Mif2Go graphics question)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT), Les Smalley 
 wrote:

>Never, really?? Only letters and digits?? 

Yes.  There are a few more that you can use under most (but not all(
circumstances, and several that only bollix one or two commands, but
nobody can remember which ones thay are.  ;-)  So the only *safe*
rule is to use none at all.  That, people *can* remember.  ;-)

>Since I started in the Unix world (oh so long ago), I personally 
>hate the use of spaces in file names and directory paths, 

Yes.  Those are not fully supported in Frame either, despite claims
to the contrary, probably because of Frame's UNIX roots.

>but have always used an underscore in its place if really necessary 
>to help clarify the name.? 

Some UNIX systems will object, and if they turn up in a CHM's TOC
you will have problems, but otherwise they are reasonably safe.

Personally, I prefer CamelCase; it's harmless in Windows (where
file and path names are case-insensitive), and OK in UNIX (which
*is* case-sensitive, as in Web names) if you use it consistently.

>Extra periods also can be used, it just looks awkward to my eyes.

It can also throw some applications that check extensions off,
but, again, it's *mostly* safe.  ;-)

>The plus  symbol is  very dangerous as you point out, and although 
>legal I don't like using a minus (hyphen) either (as it looks too 
>much like the unix command/param switch to me).? 

It *is* the switchchar, and is even accepted as that in Windows.

>Quotes and apostrophes are a disaster IMO as well.

Yes, and commas, and much more.  Which is why I say, "Avoid them all!"

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy et al,

I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them results
in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change the
wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
wrap directory. This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:44 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:36:49 -0400, Martha Lee
martha@coventor.com wrote:

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these
settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

This setup says that you really have the .gif and .png graphics already in
existence, and they are located at C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus.
Is that correct?  That's not the *same* MEMSplus dir you are referencing
as the wrap and ship dirs, is it?  I can't tell because you didn't say
where you were running this from.  It shouldn't be, or you'd be saying
to copy them to themselves, which does nothing (and is in fact ignored,
we check for that).

Also, it's better to have the wrap and ship dirs separate.  For
OmniHelp, you typically run an ArchiveCommand to .zip the results
in wrap, and then we move that zip to ship.  Many projects can
share the same ship; it makes distribution much easier if they do.

If you actually want graphics generated (which is poorer quality, if
you already have them available), as David thinks, you'd need to set
[Graphics]UseGraphicPreviews=Yes.

Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:58:00 -0400, Martha Lee martha@coventor.com 
wrote:

I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them results
in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change the
wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

No, I wouldn't expect it to, since they are different actual locations.

Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
wrap directory. 

That was so that the HTML files could see them if they were there.  If
the original path were preserved, they would be looking elsewhere.

This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg
copy /Y C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif

See if the files are really copied this time.  If not, the path
is wrong.  But I suspect they will be copied.  When we do the 
copy, we add one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

  C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?  Because + has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi Jeremy et al,

I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them results
in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change the
wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
wrap directory. This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:44 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: Mif2Go graphics question


On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:36:49 -0400, "Martha Lee"
 wrote:

>I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
>graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these
settings:
>
>[FDK]
>WriteEquations=Yes
>WriteAllGraphics=No
>
>[Automation]
>WrapAndShip=Yes
>WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
>ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
>CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
>GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png
>
>[Graphics]
>UseGraphicPreviews=No
>StripGraphPath=No
>UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes
>
>
>The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
>missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

This setup says that you really have the .gif and .png graphics already in
existence, and they are located at C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus.
Is that correct?  That's not the *same* MEMSplus dir you are referencing
as the wrap and ship dirs, is it?  I can't tell because you didn't say
where you were running this from.  It shouldn't be, or you'd be saying
to copy them to themselves, which does nothing (and is in fact ignored,
we check for that).

Also, it's better to have the wrap and ship dirs separate.  For
OmniHelp, you typically run an ArchiveCommand to .zip the results
in wrap, and then we move that zip to ship.  Many projects can
share the same ship; it makes distribution much easier if they do.

If you actually want graphics generated (which is poorer quality, if
you already have them available), as David thinks, you'd need to set
[Graphics]UseGraphicPreviews=Yes.

Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:58:00 -0400, "Martha Lee"  
wrote:

>I do want to use the original graphics; as you said, generating them results
>in poorer quality. The wrap path and the CopyGraphicsFrom directory are not
>the same; they have the same name, but are in different locations. The wrap
>path is C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus. The CopyGraphics
>directory is on the C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus. But if I change the
>wrap directory to some other name, it doesn't solve my problem.

No, I wouldn't expect it to, since they are different actual locations.

>Changing the StripGraphPath to Yes still doesn't get my graphics into the
>wrap directory. 

That was so that the HTML files could see them if they were there.  If
the original path were preserved, they would be looking elsewhere.

>This is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions?

The next thing I'd do to diagnose is open a Command Prompt window,
enter the commands we use by hand, and see if any problem appears:

cd C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.jpg"
copy /Y "C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus\*.gif"

See if the files are really copied this time.  If not, the path
is wrong.  But I suspect they will be copied.  When we do the 
copy, we add one more part, the destination path, to each copy:

  C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMS+OmniHelp\MEMSplus

Why would that be a problem?  Because "+" has a meaning to the
copy command, and will make the whole line mean something else.
That is why you should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any characters
in a file or path name other than letters and digits...

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi All,

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha Lee
Documentation Department
Coventor, Inc.
919-854-7500 ext. 120
martha@coventor.com

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RE: Mif2Go graphics question

[David Spreadbury]

Martha,
Try changing the [FDK[ WriteAllGraphics option to Yes.

You can also set the WriteAllEquations to No, unless of course you actually
have equations in your source.

David Spreadbury
Sr. Technical Writer


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martha Lee
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:37 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Mif2Go graphics question

Hi All,

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha Lee
Documentation Department
Coventor, Inc.
919-854-7500 ext. 120
martha@coventor.com


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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:36:49 -0400, Martha Lee 
martha@coventor.com wrote:

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

This setup says that you really have the .gif and .png graphics already in
existence, and they are located at C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus.
Is that correct?  That's not the *same* MEMSplus dir you are referencing
as the wrap and ship dirs, is it?  I can't tell because you didn't say
where you were running this from.  It shouldn't be, or you'd be saying
to copy them to themselves, which does nothing (and is in fact ignored,
we check for that).

Also, it's better to have the wrap and ship dirs separate.  For
OmniHelp, you typically run an ArchiveCommand to .zip the results
in wrap, and then we move that zip to ship.  Many projects can
share the same ship; it makes distribution much easier if they do.

If you actually want graphics generated (which is poorer quality, if
you already have them available), as David thinks, you'd need to set
[Graphics]UseGraphicPreviews=Yes.

Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Martha Lee]

Hi All,

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha Lee
Documentation Department
Coventor, Inc.
919-854-7500 ext. 120
martha.lee at coventor.com

Mif2Go graphics question

[David Spreadbury]

Martha,
Try changing the [FDK[ WriteAllGraphics option to Yes.

You can also set the WriteAllEquations to No, unless of course you actually
have equations in your source.

David Spreadbury
Sr. Technical Writer


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martha Lee
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:37 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Mif2Go graphics question

Hi All,

I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:

[FDK]
WriteEquations=Yes
WriteAllGraphics=No

[Automation]
WrapAndShip=Yes
WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png

[Graphics]
UseGraphicPreviews=No
StripGraphPath=No
UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes


The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Martha Lee
Documentation Department
Coventor, Inc.
919-854-7500 ext. 120
martha.lee at coventor.com

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:36:49 -0400, "Martha Lee" 
 wrote:

>I'm using Mif2Go to generate OmniHelp. I'm trying to copy my referenced
>graphics into the distribution directory. My mif2htm.ini has these settings:
>
>[FDK]
>WriteEquations=Yes
>WriteAllGraphics=No
>
>[Automation]
>WrapAndShip=Yes
>WrapPath=.\MEMSplus
>ShipPath=.\MEMSplus
>CopyGraphicsFrom=C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus
>GraphCopyFiles= *.gif *.png
>
>[Graphics]
>UseGraphicPreviews=No
>StripGraphPath=No
>UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes
>
>
>The graphics are not written to the wrap directory so all the graphics are
>missing from the final htm output. Any suggestions?

This setup says that you really have the .gif and .png graphics already in
existence, and they are located at C:\rep\documentation\trunk\MEMSplus.
Is that correct?  That's not the *same* MEMSplus dir you are referencing
as the wrap and ship dirs, is it?  I can't tell because you didn't say
where you were running this from.  It shouldn't be, or you'd be saying
to copy them to themselves, which does nothing (and is in fact ignored,
we check for that).

Also, it's better to have the wrap and ship dirs separate.  For
OmniHelp, you typically run an ArchiveCommand to .zip the results
in wrap, and then we move that zip to ship.  Many projects can
share the same ship; it makes distribution much easier if they do.

If you actually want graphics generated (which is poorer quality, if
you already have them available), as David thinks, you'd need to set
[Graphics]UseGraphicPreviews=Yes.

Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

RE: Graphics question

[Rene S.]

Title: Message



I 
rather likeACDSee - not free, but very inexpensive. http://www.acdsystems.com/ I'm a bit 
partial to its browsing capabilities, among other things.

Rene
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Grant HogarthSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:59 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
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question
Irfanview is my viewer of choice, and pretty much the first app I install 
on any computer I use. 
5-stars plus in my book.
Grant

  
  -Original Message-From: 
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  Irvanview does it for you through its user interface.
  
  www.irfanview.de
  
  the guy (irfan) is a saint, your shareware donation is dirt cheap. 
  Recommended by tucows, ZDnet, and the Acadamy search committee.
  
  -- 
Original message --  Grant:   If you 
need to do the same operation to the same  degree on all the 
graphics, consider creating a  batch process in PhotoShop on a 
directory of  files. You could write the originals to a  
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while  keeping the processed 
copies in the originallocation.   Perhaps SnagIt 
offers a batch operation, too?   At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, 
Grant Hogarth wrote:  Ah well... *sigh*  Yes, I can 
do it in Snagit.  I can also do it in Photoshop --  
I was just trying to save some time/brain strain. 

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RE: Graphics question

[Ada Lai]

Title: Message



I echo Rene's statement - I have been using it for 
almost 4 years - it's greatest feature for me is the ability to browse graphics 
folders and print really awesome "proof sheets" of large numbers of screenshots 
and other graphics. This is a tremendous aid to me when documenting a 
UI.


From: 
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Of Rene S.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:38 AMCc: 
framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Graphics 
question

I 
rather likeACDSee - not free, but very inexpensive. http://www.acdsystems.com/ I'm a bit 
partial to its browsing capabilities, among other things.

Rene
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
Grant HogarthSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:59 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Graphics 
question
Irfanview is my viewer of choice, and pretty much the first app I install 
on any computer I use. 
5-stars plus in my book.
Grant

  
  -Original Message-From: 
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  Irvanview does it for you through its user interface.
  
  www.irfanview.de
  
  the guy (irfan) is a saint, your shareware donation is dirt cheap. 
  Recommended by tucows, ZDnet, and the Acadamy search committee.
  
  -- 
Original message --  Grant:   If you 
need to do the same operation to the same  degree on all the 
graphics, consider creating a  batch process in PhotoShop on a 
directory of  files. You could write the originals to a  
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while  keeping the processed 
copies in the originallocation.   Perhaps SnagIt 
offers a batch operation, too?   At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, 
Grant Hogarth wrote:  Ah well... *sigh*  Yes, I can 
do it in Snagit.  I can also do it in Photoshop --  
I was just trying to save some time/brain strain. 

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[Ada Lai]

I echo Rene's statement - I have been using it for almost 4 years - it's
greatest feature for me is the ability to browse graphics folders and print
really awesome "proof sheets" of large numbers of screenshots and other
graphics. This is a tremendous aid to me when documenting a UI.

  _  

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Of Rene S.
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:38 AM
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Graphics question


I rather like ACDSee - not free, but very inexpensive.
http://www.acdsystems.com/  I'm a bit partial to its browsing capabilities,
among other things.

Rene
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[mailto:framers-bounces+rinnie1=yahoo.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of
Grant Hogarth
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:59 AM
To: jenelle.anderson at comcast.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Graphics question


Irfanview is my viewer of choice, and pretty much the first app I install on
any computer I use.  
5-stars plus in my book.
Grant

-Original Message-
From: jenelle.anderson at comcast.net [mailto:jenelle.ander...@comcast.net] 


Irvanview does it for you through its user interface.

www.irfanview.de

the guy (irfan) is a saint, your shareware donation is dirt cheap.
Recommended by tucows, ZDnet, and the Acadamy search committee.


-- Original message -- 

> Grant: 
> 
> If you need to do the same operation to the same 
> degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
> batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
> files. You could write the originals to a 
> safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
> keeping the processed copies in the original location. 
> 
> Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too? 
> 
> At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote: 
> >Ah well... *sigh* 
> >Yes, I can do it in Snagit. 
> >I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
> >I was just trying to save some time/brain strain. 


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RE: Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

G Cute, Jefro.

What I wanted was 4 pix (T,B,L,R) that I could add to an anchored frame
as needed without having to tweak the underlying image file, as then I
could reuse the same underlying image in different places in the
document.

What I will have to do now is keep a separate version of each edited
image (plus the master) in my picture folder -- probably about a 30%
increase in the number of files (already over 700) that I have to
track/maintain.

This is true if I use Snagit, Photoshop, or any other editing app.
If I save the Master as a PSD, I can use layers, but I then have to
recreate the layers for each master.
(I know, create/save a blank image with the four fade-out layers, and
then add the screencap as a base layer.  That is yet another pair of
steps (the images are not all the same size/dimensions, so there is
creation, then resizing, then adjusting focus/visible layers.)

Sub-optimal, but that seems to be the way of the world.

Scripting only works if the hidden/revealed areas are the same in each
image -- which is not true.

Grant

==
Jefro:
 Doing it in Photoshop IS saving time  brain strain.  :)

Peter Gold:
 If you need to do the same operation to the same 
 degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
 batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
 files. You could write the originals to a 
 safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
 keeping the processed copies in the original location.
 
 Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

Caroline Tabach
 Yes,
 Snagit offers excellent batch processes.
 (also a satisfied customer!)



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Grant Hogarth wrote:

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit.
I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
I was just trying to save some time/brain strain.
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[Caroline Tabach]

Yes,
Snagit offers excellent batch processes.

(also a satisfied customer!)

Caroline Tabach
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[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Peter Gold
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:18 AM
To: Grant Hogarth
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Graphics question

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.

Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:
>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.?
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
>time/brain strain.
>
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Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

 Cute, Jefro.

What I wanted was 4 pix (T,B,L,R) that I could add to an anchored frame
as needed without having to tweak the underlying image file, as then I
could reuse the same underlying image in different places in the
document.

What I will have to do now is keep a separate version of each edited
image (plus the master) in my picture folder -- probably about a 30%
increase in the number of files (already over 700) that I have to
track/maintain.

This is true if I use Snagit, Photoshop, or any other editing app.
If I save the Master as a PSD, I can use layers, but I then have to
recreate the layers for each master.
(I know, create/save a "blank" image with the four fade-out layers, and
then add the screencap as a base layer.  That is yet another pair of
steps (the images are not all the same size/dimensions, so there is
creation, then resizing, then adjusting focus/visible layers.)

Sub-optimal, but that seems to be the way of the world.

Scripting only works if the hidden/revealed areas are the same in each
image -- which is not true.

Grant

==
Jefro:
> Doing it in Photoshop IS saving time & brain strain.  :)

Peter Gold:
> If you need to do the same operation to the same 
> degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
> batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
> files. You could write the originals to a 
> safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
> keeping the processed copies in the original location.
> 
> Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

Caroline Tabach
> Yes,
> Snagit offers excellent batch processes.
> (also a satisfied customer!)



-Original Message-
Grant Hogarth wrote:

>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
>I was just trying to save some time/brain strain.

Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Irfanview is my viewer of choice, and pretty much the first app I
install on any computer I use.  
5-stars plus in my book.
Grant

-Original Message-
From: jenelle.anderson at comcast.net
[mailto:jenelle.anderson at comcast.net] 


Irvanview does it for you through its user interface.

www.irfanview.de

the guy (irfan) is a saint, your shareware donation is dirt
cheap. Recommended by tucows, ZDnet, and the Acadamy search committee.


-- Original message -- 

> Grant: 
> 
> If you need to do the same operation to the same 
> degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
> batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
> files. You could write the originals to a 
> safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
> keeping the processed copies in the original location.

> 
> Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too? 
> 
> At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote: 
> >Ah well... *sigh* 
> >Yes, I can do it in Snagit. 
> >I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
> >I was just trying to save some time/brain strain. 


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RE: Graphics question

[Peter Gold]

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.


Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit. 
I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
time/brain strain.


--
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Peter Gold
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Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Hi all...

A quick question before I chew up a day experimenting.

Is there any raster format (PNG TIFF, TGA, whatever) that preserves its
transparency when imported into FM?

I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the
area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not show
that the area in question is part of a larger object. I seem to remember
doing this via PS/EPS many years ago, but as I recall, that was a real
pain, and not terribly efficient.  What I plan on creating is four "fade
to white" effect areas (Left, Top, Right, Bottom) that I can then
overlay on the base image.


Any input/suggestions gratefuly accepted.


Grant
(Watching "Mick and the lads" set up next door for tonight's $$$
gig.)

Graphics question

[Carolyn Stallard]

Grant, on Windows you can use SnagIt to crop with a fade: on 
one, two, three, or all four sides.  Other edge effects 
available, also.  (No connection with TechSmith, just a 
satisfied customer.)

--C

Grant Hogarth wrote on 11/22/2005 3:01 PM:
  . . .
> I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the
> area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not show
> that the area in question is part of a larger object.

Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit.  
I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
time/brain strain.

Thanks!
Grant

===

Carolyn Stallard said:

Grant, on Windows you can use SnagIt to crop with a fade: on 
one, two, three, or all four sides.  Other edge effects 
available, also.  (No connection with TechSmith, just a 
satisfied customer.)

--C
AND 

Thomas Michanek, FrameMaker/UNIX/MIF expert said:

Nope. See http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/317850.html
(Which isn't entirely correct, since transparency in EPS files is
supported by FM. You have to remember to select the imported EPS image,
and set the Fill to None. The transparency will not show up on-screen,
but will show correctly in PostScript printouts and generated PDFs.)


Grant Hogarth wrote on 11/22/2005 3:01 PM:
  . . .
> I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the

> area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not 
> show that the area in question is part of a larger object.

Graphics question

[Peter Gold]

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.

Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:
>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.?
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
>time/brain strain.
>
-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
peter at knowhowpro.com