RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Lester C. Smalley
In documents that will endure and need to be updated, its always via character styles In throw-away docs (e.g. one-time memo, fax cover page...) I use both named styles and ad hoc formatting: Control-B, Control-I, etc., depending on what is set up in the template. In structured docs there are

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Rita Muller
I'm with Bill here, and it looks like 99% of the pollsters. Character catalog. ALWAYS, and FOREVER. From the beginning of FM use, I've been told by too many Framers that the B and I buttons, or Ctrl B and Ctrl I (aka, inline styles) can really mess you up in ways you don't ever want to know

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Combs, Richard
John Wilcox wrote: This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time! A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog. Well,

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting if the tools for creating them simply aren't there. :-) Being a manager and until

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Glenn Voyles
Bra-vo! -Original Message- I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead of creating an override. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or

Re: OT: Word to PDF

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
Fred, while I can't get into a disagreement over which is the weakest PDF tool because I intentionally don't go down that path, any printer driver that uses Adobe PostScript as its engine will generate a PS file that works (usually works very well) with Distiller. That's the way Adobe attempts to

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Joe Malin
I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid mistakes. If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those standards are the only possible way to format. I haven't yet seen an instance

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Daniel Emory
Bill Swallow wrote: Being a manager and until recently a template owner, I completely disagree. UI tweaks passively hinder misuse. Proper training and education for writers actively prevents misuse, and even initiates their own investigation into other ways to prevent needless headaches in

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid mistakes. What a silly notion! ;-) LOL!!! I totally agree with you, Joe. If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those standards

Replace Formats script?

2006-01-17 Thread Doug
Is there a Replace Formats script for FrameScript that works basically like the Word Find/Replace function? I'm trying to replace Bullet format with Bullet 1 format, but the Find/Change function finds existing instances of Bullet 1, Bullet 2, and Bullet 3, in addition to instances of Bullet.

Re: Replace Formats script?

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
Put your cursor in a paragraph tagged as Bullet 1. In the paragraph designer, pull down the Commands menu, select Global Update Options. In the upper pane, select all, in the lower, pull down the All Tagged menu and select Bullet. Art On 1/17/06, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a

RE: Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Joe Malin
Hi! I received a reply that suggested using Arabic numerals throughout rather than worrying about different schemes. Being a relative newcomer, I have clung to the Chicago Manual of Style (CMS) way like a drowning man to a life raft. Thinking about it now, I see that numbering front matter in

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Rita Muller
Bill, You're singing to the choir dude. ;-) I planned out a global template for the long term. It's worked well for over four years and some 100+ manuals so far. What you describe as The benefits are exactly what I'm reaping as a result. It's a beautiful thing! Certainly worth the little bit of

RE: Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Martha J Davidson
At 11:04 AM 1/17/2006, Joe Malin wrote: Why do that now with a book that may never be put to paper? Instead, use sequential numbering starting with the Title page as 1. To preserve the style of front matter, perhaps use roman numerals, but then allow the first page of text to be something other

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Deb Hardy
I originally posted this question on Friday, but it didn't go through. (Switching to plain text now!) Thanks in advance for any feedback. Deb Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who distribute your source files to OEM partners, would you be willing to share the basics of how you

Re: Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
I think your variable/standard_file_name strategy will work fine so long as all the versions for all the vendors are the same. As soon as somebody adds or drops a feature, you'll probably have to go to conditional text to control the differeing content in the chapter. Art On 1/17/06, Deb Hardy

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Ron Miller
And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using Frame, I was told in no uncertain terms to stay the heck away from the toolbar. Fearing the wrath of the production guru, I complied. ;) In conclusion, if you are a manager, don't fix the interface, simply intimidate your

Re: Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:22 am -0800 17/1/06, Deb Hardy wrote: Do both of these approaches seem reasonable and optimal? I'm particularly concerned about the logo-replacement issue. Deb - what you suggest sounds sensible: others might be able to suggest extra tricks. One thing you'll need to watch on the

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Stacy Dow
This is becoming way too many inbound emails for me. I hate to leave this discussion group, but Outlook filters don't seem to work because of the way the listserve functions. Any words of advice? If not, can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe? Thanks, Stacy -Original Message-

RE: Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Grant Hogarth
That's basically what I do here. In addition, I: 1. Make sure that any screen captures are either generic in the first place (watch those file trees!) or are cleaned up before you ship them to your OEM. 2. Include a generated list of images for reference. 3. For maintainance releases,

OT: Problems with Acrobat 7 and Word 2000

2006-01-17 Thread Eric_Isaacson
Hello. I'm hoping someone on this list either has experienced this problem or knows something about it. I recently installed Acrobat 7 (and upgrade to 7.05) and was loving it until I opened Word 2000--when I did, Word gave me an application error message (The memory could not be 'read'.).

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision. Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these methods: Trust me... if you

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
Now if Ron (of all people) could be intimidated into compliance, then it *must* work! LOL!!! Seriously though, you get more mileage from shared knowledge than from systematic limitations. On 1/17/06, Ron Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I

Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Doug
I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead of creating an override. Of course, IMO the ultimate redefinition solution is to redefine the shortcuts so they apply character and/or paragraph formats. What could be simpler than redefining CTRL+B to apply a bold character

RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Ridder, Fred
I'm not sure I'd call this the ultimate redefinition solution because it completely ignores the fact that there should be some underlying *reason* why you need to present a word or phrase in boldface (or italic or whatever). A large segment of the people responding to the original survey

JOB: Contract Technical Writer, Seattle, WA

2006-01-17 Thread Andrew Becraft
Hello framers, We'd like to hire a contract technical writer for six to eight weeks, with a start date in the next two business weeks and an end date in March (when the project is scheduled to conclude). I'm looking for a senior-level writer who can work on site here in our Seattle office.

RE: Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread John Sgammato
I rebrand our docset for a partner much the way described by Deb, with some of Grant's ideas. The main difference is that I do the rebranding myself rather than send source files to the partner (which has no tech writer resource). It is likely that this year will see at least one additional

Re: Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
The practical thing about using roman numbering in front matter, back matter and generated pages and arabic in the body could be that it may speed up the process of getting to the actual contents of the book in acting as one more optical aid. Just my 2 cents... Bodvar On 1/17/06, Joe Malin

RE: Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread rebecca officer
Great overview, John! Just one thing I'd like to comment on: every place that I say you need a OneSign profile they need to say an Applesandoranges profile - the a/an is not part of your variable and must be caught with a search-replace. Seems to me that if you're doing a search-replace

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread rebecca officer
Ditto, we use "C". But we've managed to end up with a format named "Bold" too. We use that when we want to make something bold and one of the named formats doesn't apply. ;-( Using character formats isn't necessarily foolproof. Last week, someone accidentally updated one of our formats and

I'm lazy

2006-01-17 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com
Cripes! Rick must be a bigger mover and shaker than I thought. What with ".frameexpert" being a top-level domain up there with "uk", "au", "cn", "de", "fr", etc! http://www.frameexpert/plugins/pagelabeler/ -- Hedley Finger Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist MYOB Australia

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Lester C. Smalley
In documents that will endure and need to be updated, its always via character styles In "throw-away" docs (e.g. one-time memo, fax cover page...) I use both named styles and ad hoc formatting: Control-B, Control-I, etc., depending on what is set up in the template. In structured docs there are

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Rita Muller
I'm with Bill here, and it looks like 99% of the pollsters. Character catalog. ALWAYS, and FOREVER.

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
> Maybe we could start a new thread, "the horrors of FM inline styles, and how > I survived the experience." ;-) > > Might be fun, eh? Might be. ;-) Horrors: * inability to globally update a document from a template (let's say you need to change style based on rebranding) * inability to get

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Combs, Richard
John Wilcox wrote: > This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please > reply off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. > Thanks for your time! > > A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. > B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog. Well,

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 9:25 am -0700 17/1/06, Combs, Richard wrote: >If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a >tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM >interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting ...and Silicon Prairie's Paragraph

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
> If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a > tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM > interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting > if the tools for creating them simply aren't there. :-) Being a manager and

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Glenn Voyles
Bra-vo! -Original Message- I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead of creating an override.

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Combs, Richard
Bill Swallow wrote: > Being a manager and until recently a template owner, I > completely disagree. UI tweaks passively hinder misuse. > Proper training and education for writers actively prevents > misuse, and even initiates their own investigation into other > ways to prevent needless

OT: Word to PDF

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
Fred, while I can't get into a disagreement over which is the weakest PDF tool because I intentionally don't go down that path, any printer driver that uses Adobe PostScript as its engine will generate a PS file that works (usually works very well) with Distiller. That's the way Adobe attempts to

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Joe Malin
I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid mistakes. If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those standards are the only possible way to format. I haven't yet seen an instance

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Daniel Emory
> Bill Swallow wrote: > > Being a manager and until recently a template > owner, I completely disagree. UI tweaks passively hinder > misuse. Proper training and education for writers actively > prevents misuse, and even initiates their own investigation > into other ways to prevent needless

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
> I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid > mistakes. What a silly notion! ;-) LOL!!! I totally agree with you, Joe. > If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality > documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those >

Replace Formats script?

2006-01-17 Thread Doug
Is there a Replace Formats script for FrameScript that works basically like the Word Find/Replace function? I'm trying to replace Bullet format with Bullet 1 format, but the Find/Change function finds existing instances of Bullet 1, Bullet 2, and Bullet 3, in addition to instances of Bullet.

Replace Formats script?

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
Put your cursor in a paragraph tagged as Bullet 1. In the paragraph designer, pull down the Commands menu, select Global Update Options. In the upper pane, select "all," in the lower, pull down the All Tagged menu and select Bullet. Art On 1/17/06, Doug wrote: > Is there a Replace Formats

Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Joe Malin
Hi! I received a reply that suggested using Arabic numerals throughout rather than worrying about different schemes. Being a relative newcomer, I have clung to the Chicago Manual of Style (CMS) way like a drowning man to a life raft. Thinking about it now, I see that numbering front matter in

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Rita Muller
Bill, You're singing to the choir dude. ;-) I planned out a global template for the long term. It's worked well for over four years and some 100+ manuals so far. What you describe as "The benefits" are exactly what I'm reaping as a result. It's a beautiful thing! Certainly worth the little bit

Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Martha J Davidson
At 11:04 AM 1/17/2006, Joe Malin wrote: >Why do that now with a book that may never be put to paper? Instead, use >sequential numbering starting with the Title page as 1. To preserve the >style of front matter, perhaps use roman numerals, but then allow the >first page of text to be something

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Deb Hardy
I originally posted this question on Friday, but it didn't go through. (Switching to plain text now!) Thanks in advance for any feedback. Deb Hardy wrote: For those of you who distribute your source files to OEM partners, would you be willing to share the basics of how you prepare your Frame

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Peter Gold
Bill: One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision. Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these methods: * Save a

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Art Campbell
I think your variable/standard_file_name strategy will work fine so long as all the versions for all the vendors are the same. As soon as somebody adds or drops a feature, you'll probably have to go to conditional text to control the differeing content in the chapter. Art On 1/17/06, Deb Hardy

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Ron Miller
And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using Frame, I was told in no uncertain terms to stay the heck away from the toolbar. Fearing the wrath of the production guru, I complied. ;) In conclusion, if you are a manager, don't fix the interface, simply intimidate your

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:22 am -0800 17/1/06, Deb Hardy wrote: >Do both of these approaches seem reasonable and optimal? I'm particularly >concerned about the logo-replacement issue. Deb - what you suggest sounds sensible: others might be able to suggest extra tricks. One thing you'll need to watch on the

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Stacy Dow
This is becoming way too many inbound emails for me. I hate to leave this discussion group, but Outlook filters don't seem to work because of the way the listserve functions. Any words of advice? If not, can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe? Thanks, Stacy -Original Message-

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread Grant Hogarth
That's basically what I do here. In addition, I: 1. Make sure that any screen captures are either generic in the first place (watch those file trees!) or are "cleaned up" before you ship them to your OEM. 2. Include a generated list of images for reference. 3. For maintainance releases,

OT: Problems with Acrobat 7 and Word 2000

2006-01-17 Thread eric_isaac...@selinc.com
Hello. I'm hoping someone on this list either has experienced this problem or knows something about it. I recently installed Acrobat 7 (and upgrade to 7.05) and was loving it until I opened Word 2000--when I did, Word gave me an application error message ("The memory could not be 'read'.").

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
> One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision. > Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other > properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy > to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these > methods: Trust me... if

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Bill Swallow
Now if Ron (of all people) could be intimidated into compliance, then it *must* work! LOL!!! Seriously though, you get more mileage from shared knowledge than from systematic limitations. On 1/17/06, Ron Miller wrote: > And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using >

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Doug
> I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead > of creating an override. Of course, IMO the ultimate redefinition solution is to redefine the shortcuts so they apply character and/or paragraph formats. What could be simpler than redefining CTRL+B to apply a bold character

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Ridder, Fred
I'm not sure I'd call this the "ultimate redefinition solution" because it completely ignores the fact that there should be some underlying *reason* why you need to present a word or phrase in boldface (or italic or whatever). A large segment of the people responding to the original survey

JOB: Contract Technical Writer, Seattle, WA

2006-01-17 Thread Andrew Becraft
Hello framers, We'd like to hire a contract technical writer for six to eight weeks, with a start date in the next two business weeks and an end date in March (when the project is scheduled to conclude). I'm looking for a senior-level writer who can work on site here in our Seattle office. If

Rebranding/OEM'ing Frame files

2006-01-17 Thread John Sgammato
I rebrand our docset for a partner much the way described by Deb, with some of Grant's ideas. The main difference is that I do the rebranding myself rather than send source files to the partner (which has no tech writer resource). It is likely that this year will see at least one additional

Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Joe Malin
Note that using roman numerals does not preclude consecutive numbering. The only change is that the text part of the book no longer starts on page 1. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 jmalin at tuvox.com www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the

Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

2006-01-17 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
The practical thing about using roman numbering in front matter, back matter and generated pages and arabic in the body could be that it may speed up the process of getting to the actual "contents" of the book in acting as one more optical aid. Just my 2 cents... Bodvar On 1/17/06, Joe Malin

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-17 Thread Frank Elmore
- Original Message - From: "Doug" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics? > I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead > of creating an override. Of course, IMO the