Thank you to all who responded to my structure question. You have
provided plenty of material for thought and research.
dominick
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
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From:
framers-bounces
Hi all:
Many people have discussed the idea of using variables or <$volnum> to drive
the title of a book into multiple files. There are benefits and drawbacks to
each and I'll leave that method alone for now.
(as an aside, if you do a lot of importing of variables--or any formats--check
into h
I'm using Frame 7.0p492 to do a Save as xml on some Frame documents. I have
already converted about 10 books and not had any major problems but suddenly
I am seeing a loss of formatting. For example, in the Frame document there
is the following text: (Note that formatting comments have been inserte
I wrote:
> I'm using Frame 7.0p492 to do a Save as xml on some Frame
> documents. I have already converted about 10 books and not
> had any major problems but suddenly I am seeing a loss of
> formatting. For example, in the Frame document there is the
> following text: (Note that formatting co
Karen West wrote:
> > How are you formatting the italic text? Are you clicking
> the I button
> > or pressing ctrl-I?
>
> Yes again.
>
> > If so, I believe that FrameMaker drops that formatting when
> saving as
> > xml. If you are using formats from the character catalog it should
> > save
> What I often do is build the title in a file, such
> as "cover.fm" and then build a folder structure along
> the lines of the following example:
> page I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I
> put into the cover. Then all I ever need to do is update
Bernard...I think I did almost ex
John Posada wrote:
> > page I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I put into the
> > cover. Then all I ever need to do is update
>
> Bernard...I think I did almost exactly what you describe and
> it worked until I started combining files in different books.
> I want all of the overv
Bernard,
You wrote:
>... Each file for each nation is based on the same template. In the
>template I view the master pages and in the footer/header of each page
>I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I put into the cover.
>Then all I ever need to do is update cover.fm and update xrefs. I
Mike Feimster wrote:
> > I believe that FrameMaker drops that formatting when
> > saving as xml. If you are using formats from the character catalog it
should
> > > save the formatting.
I stupidly replied:
> > Thanks Mike, I've just tried it and it works now using the
> > character catalog. Exce
Karen wrote:
"They do use paragraph and character tags, though rarely for bold and
italic.
The XML is for a help system, for which I'm having to provide all my
documents in XML format. I am now paying the price in the conversion to XML,
of both my formatting mistakes and those of my predecessors.
Karen West wrote:
> The XML is for a help system, for which I'm having to provide
> all my documents in XML format. I am now paying the price in
> the conversion to XML, of both my formatting mistakes and
> those of my predecessors.
My sympathies and best wishes. On the positive side, it seems
The cross book issue can become a problem. What you may want to try is to have
all your files in a folder and create books 'above' that folder. Once done you
can pick and choose what files go into a book. Then you still need to have a
cover.fm file and you need to change (or conditionalize) the
Two additional solutions that avoid the potential cross-reference
link problems that Shlomo points out:
* Use "old-style" paragraph-based autonumbering for chapter numbers,
in combination with Volume Number and Chapter Number variables
formatted as text or numbers.
* Create the title text in a
Hi Karen,
Are you using the default "save as" and then selecting XML? If so you have very
little control. If you don't mind spending a bit of time working on it I can
send you a document (and anyone else on the list who I haven't given this to)
that walks you through a simple EDD, some formatti
It seems to me that the "real" solution is to be able to define variables at
the book level. Then, variables in a chapter files take the value of
whatever is defined for the book.
Mike
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From: framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies@lists.frameusers.com
[mailt
I could live with that. I'd even buy a pluggin that gave me that
feature.
--- Mike Feimster wrote:
> It seems to me that the "real" solution is to be able
> to define variables at the book level. Then, variables
> in a chapter files take the value of
> whatever is defined for the book.
John
You might want to check out BookVars .. it may provide what you're
looking for ..
http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
...scott
Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892
John Posada wrote:
>I could live with that. I'd even buy a pluggin that gave me
I've always implemented that solution with a single extra file for the
book (bookvariables.fm) that contains nothing except variable
definitions. When variables change or get added I import all the
variables from that file at the book level.
Laura
On 1/31/06, John Posada wrote:
> I could live w
That kind of works as a work around. Until I quickly switch from one book to
another and create the PDF, but forget to reimport the variables.
It seems to me that the Book file could hold all kinds of stuff like
variables, paragraph formats, master pages, etc. There would have to be a
way to dete
it looks encouraging. I get paid tomorrow...I'll pull it down then
and check it out.
Thanks, Scott
--- Scott Prentice wrote:
> You might want to check out BookVars .. it may provide
> what you're looking for ..
>
> http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
>
> >I could live with
In my limited experience, Epic provides only an XML editor, and you're limited
to working in native XML. FrameMaker can not only open XML files, but saves as
XML as well, and in between is able to handle graphics better than Epic. If
you're used to using variables and conditional text, then Fram
Mike,
If your output is in PDF format, you might want to consider Buildfire
from convivio.com. It allows you to define one or more PDF files from a
FrameMaker book file. For each PDF definition, you can specify variable
definitions and conditional text settings.
I use it to produce three distin
Interesting. I'll have to check it out.
Thanks
Mike
-Original Message-
From: Susan Modlin [mailto:susan.mod...@edusoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:13 PM
To: Mike Feimster; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Carrying the Title of a Book forward [was Variables]
Mik
Susan Modlin wrote:
> One caveat: Convivio is based in Montreal, so don't plan on needing
> support on a Canadian holiday -- and there appear to be lots of them.
In total, Newfoundland and P.E.I. legislation provide for 5 statutory
holidays; New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, 6; Manitoba, Ontario a
--- Scott Prentice wrote:
> You might want to check out BookVars .. it may
> provide what you're looking for ..
> http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
Hi, guys...I donwloaded the 30 day trial of this pluggin and have
been applying it against four books before I let it loose on my 1
> Items a) and c) will cost you money, but it's well spent. Do it properly
> from the start and you'll only do it once - try to do it on the cheap and
> you can spend the money next time around. I've seen it more times than I
> could count in the 15 years that I've been involved with SGML and XM
Thank you to all who responded to my structure question. You have
provided plenty of material for thought and research.
dominick
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTE
Hi all:
Many people have discussed the idea of using variables or <$volnum> to drive
the title of a book into multiple files. There are benefits and drawbacks to
each and I'll leave that method alone for now.
(as an aside, if you do a lot of importing of variables--or any formats--check
into h
I'm using Frame 7.0p492 to do a Save as xml on some Frame documents. I have
already converted about 10 books and not had any major problems but suddenly
I am seeing a loss of formatting. For example, in the Frame document there
is the following text: (Note that formatting comments have been inserte
I wrote:
> I'm using Frame 7.0p492 to do a Save as xml on some Frame
> documents. I have already converted about 10 books and not
> had any major problems but suddenly I am seeing a loss of
> formatting. For example, in the Frame document there is the
> following text: (Note that formatting co
Karen West wrote:
> > How are you formatting the italic text? Are you clicking
> the I button
> > or pressing ctrl-I?
>
> Yes again.
>
> > If so, I believe that FrameMaker drops that formatting when
> saving as
> > xml. If you are using formats from the character catalog it should
> > sav
> What I often do is build the title in a file, such
> as "cover.fm" and then build a folder structure along
> the lines of the following example:
> page I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I
> put into the cover. Then all I ever need to do is update
Bernard...I think I did almost ex
John Posada wrote:
> > page I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I put into the
> > cover. Then all I ever need to do is update
>
> Bernard...I think I did almost exactly what you describe and
> it worked until I started combining files in different books.
> I want all of the overv
Bernard,
You wrote:
... Each file for each nation is based on the same template. In the
template I view the master pages and in the footer/header of each page
I place an xref to the BookName paragraph that I put into the cover.
Then all I ever need to do is update cover.fm and update xrefs. In
Mike Feimster wrote:
> > I believe that FrameMaker drops that formatting when
> > saving as xml. If you are using formats from the character catalog it
should
> > > save the formatting.
I stupidly replied:
> > Thanks Mike, I've just tried it and it works now using the
> > character catalog. Exc
Karen wrote:
"They do use paragraph and character tags, though rarely for bold and
italic.
The XML is for a help system, for which I'm having to provide all my
documents in XML format. I am now paying the price in the conversion to XML,
of both my formatting mistakes and those of my predecessors.
Karen West wrote:
> The XML is for a help system, for which I'm having to provide
> all my documents in XML format. I am now paying the price in
> the conversion to XML, of both my formatting mistakes and
> those of my predecessors.
My sympathies and best wishes. On the positive side, it seems
The cross book issue can become a problem. What you may want to try is to have
all your files in a folder and create books 'above' that folder. Once done you
can pick and choose what files go into a book. Then you still need to have a
cover.fm file and you need to change (or conditionalize) the
Two additional solutions that avoid the potential cross-reference
link problems that Shlomo points out:
* Use "old-style" paragraph-based autonumbering for chapter numbers,
in combination with Volume Number and Chapter Number variables
formatted as text or numbers.
* Create the title text in
Hi Karen,
Are you using the default "save as" and then selecting XML? If so you have very
little control. If you don't mind spending a bit of time working on it I can
send you a document (and anyone else on the list who I haven't given this to)
that walks you through a simple EDD, some formatti
It seems to me that the "real" solution is to be able to define variables at
the book level. Then, variables in a chapter files take the value of
whatever is defined for the book.
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
om] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwand
I could live with that. I'd even buy a pluggin that gave me that
feature.
--- Mike Feimster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems to me that the "real" solution is to be able
> to define variables at the book level. Then, variables
> in a chapter files take the value of
> whatever is defined fo
You might want to check out BookVars .. it may provide what you're
looking for ..
http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
...scott
Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892
John Posada wrote:
I could live with that. I'd even buy a pluggin that gave me
I've always implemented that solution with a single extra file for the
book (bookvariables.fm) that contains nothing except variable
definitions. When variables change or get added I import all the
variables from that file at the book level.
Laura
On 1/31/06, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
That kind of works as a work around. Until I quickly switch from one book to
another and create the PDF, but forget to reimport the variables.
It seems to me that the Book file could hold all kinds of stuff like
variables, paragraph formats, master pages, etc. There would have to be a
way to det
In my limited experience, Epic provides only an XML editor, and you're limited
to working in native XML. FrameMaker can not only open XML files, but saves as
XML as well, and in between is able to handle graphics better than Epic. If
you're used to using variables and conditional text, then Fram
Mike,
If your output is in PDF format, you might want to consider Buildfire
from convivio.com. It allows you to define one or more PDF files from a
FrameMaker book file. For each PDF definition, you can specify variable
definitions and conditional text settings.
I use it to produce three distin
it looks encouraging. I get paid tomorrow...I'll pull it down then
and check it out.
Thanks, Scott
--- Scott Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might want to check out BookVars .. it may provide
> what you're looking for ..
>
> http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
>
>
Interesting. I'll have to check it out.
Thanks
Mike
-Original Message-
From: Susan Modlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:13 PM
To: Mike Feimster; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Carrying the Title of a Book forward [was Variables]
Mike,
If your
Susan Modlin wrote:
One caveat: Convivio is based in Montreal, so don't plan on needing
support on a Canadian holiday -- and there appear to be lots of them.
In total, Newfoundland and P.E.I. legislation provide for 5 statutory
holidays; New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, 6; Manitoba, Ontario an
--- Scott Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might want to check out BookVars .. it may
> provide what you're looking for ..
> http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php
Hi, guys...I donwloaded the 30 day trial of this pluggin and have
been applying it against four books before I l
Dominick A. DeFlorio wrote:
We must move to structure to meet our future XML goal, but are
unfamiliar with both the transition and method to do so. We are also
unfamiliar with the possibilities and cost involved. We are merely
looking at all of the possibilities and the long term value for our
Items a) and c) will cost you money, but it's well spent. Do it properly
from the start and you'll only do it once - try to do it on the cheap and
you can spend the money next time around. I've seen it more times than I
could count in the 15 years that I've been involved with SGML and XML
conve
Rick Quatro wrote:
I agree with Marcus's excellent post, but one thing to consider on the
above point: even if you hire it out, try to learn as much about each
process, especially if you can devote some time to it. In today's job
climate, it pays to learn as much as you can about XML and relat
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