Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: >These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, >retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.

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Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its customers better. Everybody wins. Adobe ends its relationship with resellers o

Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. That whole model seems outdated to me. I'd like to switch to Confluence. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Time for a robust system that

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One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100% on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to reduced complexity. On

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That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. You're side of the mark about res

Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Hi Jeremy Did you consider expanding LaTeX? A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. Cheers Rebecca >>> "Jeremy H. Griffith" 12/05/13

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Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean > that > you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some > changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your > ability of > use the software in that

Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Another option is to expand OpenOffice, which is also pretty good, but need more single-sourcing capabilities. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 13-May-13 1:38 AM, rebecca officer wrote: Hi Jeremy  

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At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create other choices/other competition. At least it is prompting the conversation. Nadine --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > Fro

RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again . . .. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38 To: framers@lists.frameusers.

Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, "rebecca officer" > wrote: >Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. >A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX >c

Re: Landscape master pages don't work

I have always had the best luck with the Single range indicator... -MattMatt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com  On May 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Gay Also

RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-Sat

RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a str

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to fruition. :) However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years

Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, wrote: >I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et >al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web site: http://mif2go.c

Re: FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush wrote: >I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that >decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd >like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to >fruition. :) Me t

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2013-05-13-01T19:50Z "Everybody wins . . .." as far as Adobe Systems Incorporated and some others might perceive it. From my perspective - and, perhaps, my employer's perspective - this will _not_ be a "win" for us. Perhaps Adobe has forgotten that we, the customers, also must make busines

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>“That's how capitalism is supposed to work.” I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messag

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Thanks. Those are the corporate resellers I was referring to previously. The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe has gone direct to the market. The added value is worked out in terms

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2013-05-13-01T20:20Z Nadine - Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it "bursting radius." Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/

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Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine   > Nadine - > > Nadine, I certain

Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets

Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

I am running Frame on a MacBook Pro, Win XP in VMware Fusion. I used to have Parallels as my emulator, but encountered the same issue you are experiencing. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/13/13 1:46 PM, Kristy N

Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

I run FM10 on a MBP with VirtualBox and Windows 7 installed on Bootcamp. I boot into Windows using VB. Runs fine. Of course, I think 10 has different registration procedures to 11. Alan On 14/05/13 8:46 AM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so,

Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

Hi Kristy, Windows XP sounds really old. I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 without problems. I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7. Daniel On May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > Hi, all- > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pr

RE: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from within the Windows virtual machine - I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress the files, so under WinXP you'll need to install that to unzip it (IIRC). From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun

Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

MB Air, vmware Fusion, Win7, runs like a champ! -MattMatt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com  On May 13, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Daniel Doornbos

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> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.co

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Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From: Gil

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > >> Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the >> prod

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: >These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, >retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.

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Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean > that > you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some > changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your > ability of > use the software in that

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At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create other choices/other competition. At least it is prompting the conversation. Nadine --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > Fro

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again?.?.?.. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38 To: framers at lists.frame

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, "rebecca officer" > wrote: >Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. >A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX >c

Landscape master pages don't work

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2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a str

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to fruition. :) However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, wrote: >I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et >al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web site: http://mif2go.c

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush wrote: >I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that >decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd >like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to >fruition. :) Me t

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>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine

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2013-05-13-01T20:20Z Nadine - Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it "bursting radius." Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine ? > Nadine - > > Nadine, I certain

Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.co

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From: Gil

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FM10 help broken?

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FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

I don't think MS's new can't-call-it-Metro UI has gotten any traction in corporate environments. If they don't want Windows 8 to be a bigger flop than Vista, compatibility is essential. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Lea Rush wrote: > I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy

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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong wrote: > The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may > have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the > upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your > license

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: "You may ... permanently

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Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The p

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