Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Niels: -> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for -> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our -> wealth (and -> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long -> > run. John: -> Niels...a point from both sides... -> -> - If you can't get through the short run, the long run -> doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of -> the collective. -> Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying -> their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their -> kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month. Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about the short run. As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the moment... -> - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which -> is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever -> training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if -> not for your current employer, one that allows you to make -> the transition as quick as possible. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o) -Niels
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Dieter, You wrote: >Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update >FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years >http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 >If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces >documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as >soon as possible. >Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are >really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without >XML and be worth the upgrade costs. ... Just for the record: with very few exceptions, the "numerous bug fixes" you are referring to are related to new issues introduced in FM7.2 (i.e. for those who did not upgrade to FM7.2, the bug fixes are pretty insignificant, other than the limited support for some of the missing characters in the Cyrillic, Central European and Baltic codepages; I am not sure as to mouse wheel support). [... and no comments as to the FM7.2 Multiple Undo] But let's hope that next version of FrameMaker -- whatever its number is and whenever it is released -- along with useful new functions/features, will address some of the bugs that have been logged with FrameMaker 5.0 (1994) or earlier, and are brought up in this forum from time to time (refreshing the screen, dialog box sizing, table sorting issues, conditional text, spelling, graphic output problems, and many other issues). And hopefully next version of FM will have a better online help. The help system for 7.0 was used as is in 7.1 and 7.2 , with its left-over "see on page" references, along with other problems. According to the version information, the online help for FM7.2 was compiled on March 14, 2002 -- i.e. three and a half years before the actual product was shipped. Development efforts of the next FM version should also not neglect the PDFs manuals included with the product (content as well as interactivity; usefulness as on-screen PDFs is a plus). It would be nice if the FrameMaker Character Sets PDF is finally inspected and fixed. The FM6.0 version was used as is in all subsequent versions (including 7.2), despite its reported inaccuracies. Having all links work in the PDFs would also be nice. Some examples for the above are at: http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0511 http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0404 http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
Release Date for FrameMaker 8
On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote: > Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would > imagine it > will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will have full integration with Flash because Adobe and Macromedia engineers have only been able to talk to each other since the deal was sealed in December 2005 and Acrobat 8 is well into it's current development cycle. Apparently, we'll also see Macromedia 9 and GoLive CS3 before one or the other is dropped and the best of both is melded into one super Web authoring tool. FrameMaker 8.0 will be released on Monday 11 September. And that's official. Over and out, Paul
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India (et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long run. -Niels
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Niels: -> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for -> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our -> wealth (and -> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long -> > run. John: -> Niels...a point from both sides... -> -> - If you can't get through the short run, the long run -> doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of -> the collective. -> Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying -> their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their -> kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month. Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about the short run. As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the moment... -> - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which -> is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever -> training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if -> not for your current employer, one that allows you to make -> the transition as quick as possible. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o) -Niels ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long > run. Niels...a point from both sides... - If you can't get through the short run, the long run doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of the collective. Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month. - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if not for your current employer, one that allows you to make the transition as quick as possible. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long > run. Niels...a point from both sides... - If you can't get through the short run, the long run doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of the collective. Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month. - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if not for your current employer, one that allows you to make the transition as quick as possible. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Dieter, You wrote: Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon as possible. Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be worth the upgrade costs. ... Just for the record: with very few exceptions, the "numerous bug fixes" you are referring to are related to new issues introduced in FM7.2 (i.e. for those who did not upgrade to FM7.2, the bug fixes are pretty insignificant, other than the limited support for some of the missing characters in the Cyrillic, Central European and Baltic codepages; I am not sure as to mouse wheel support). [... and no comments as to the FM7.2 Multiple Undo] But let's hope that next version of FrameMaker -- whatever its number is and whenever it is released -- along with useful new functions/features, will address some of the bugs that have been logged with FrameMaker 5.0 (1994) or earlier, and are brought up in this forum from time to time (refreshing the screen, dialog box sizing, table sorting issues, conditional text, spelling, graphic output problems, and many other issues). And hopefully next version of FM will have a better online help. The help system for 7.0 was used as is in 7.1 and 7.2 , with its left-over "see on page" references, along with other problems. According to the version information, the online help for FM7.2 was compiled on March 14, 2002 -- i.e. three and a half years before the actual product was shipped. Development efforts of the next FM version should also not neglect the PDFs manuals included with the product (content as well as interactivity; usefulness as on-screen PDFs is a plus). It would be nice if the FrameMaker Character Sets PDF is finally inspected and fixed. The FM6.0 version was used as is in all subsequent versions (including 7.2), despite its reported inaccuracies. Having all links work in the PDFs would also be nice. Some examples for the above are at: http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0511 http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0404 http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8
On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote: Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will have full integration with Flash because Adobe and Macromedia engineers have only been able to talk to each other since the deal was sealed in December 2005 and Acrobat 8 is well into it's current development cycle. Apparently, we'll also see Macromedia 9 and GoLive CS3 before one or the other is dropped and the best of both is melded into one super Web authoring tool. FrameMaker 8.0 will be released on Monday 11 September. And that's official. Over and out, Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
The horse is dead already. WAS: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
There is no comm prob at all between me and my contact, and my contact is repeating something they heard inside Adobe. No matter what anyone says, my contact is reliable. But the original source of the information, which was not revealed to me, is apparently not. OKAY FOLKS, the horse is dead already. Continuing this thread is a waste of the list bandwidth as well as mine, and I'll not reply to any more messages on the subject, on or off list. Diane -Original Message- From: John Posada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill; Max Dunn Cc: Framers Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > According to the developer who gave me the info, this > is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some > communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
The horse is dead already. WAS: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
There is no comm prob at all between me and my contact, and my contact is repeating something they heard inside Adobe. No matter what anyone says, my contact is reliable. But the original source of the information, which was not revealed to me, is apparently not. OKAY FOLKS, the horse is dead already. Continuing this thread is a waste of the list bandwidth as well as mine, and I'll not reply to any more messages on the subject, on or off list. Diane -Original Message- From: John Posada [mailto:jposad...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill; Max Dunn Cc: Framers Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > According to the developer who gave me the info, this > is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some > communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sorry, Art, but the subject never came up. In any case, with people sending me offlist nasty-grams and others on my back online for a rumor which isn't even mine, I would not let the list know even if I knew. I'm not the type leave the list as _some_ people have done when under pressure, but the thought has crossed my mind, even after 14 active years on this list. Diane === -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Alan Houser; framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan, > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > topic. > > Diane -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Bingo! Well, one insider, anyway. Diane -Original Message- From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:27 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Max Dunn; Framers Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. > It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this > point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe > anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. > 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Bingo! Well, one insider, anyway. Diane -Original Message- From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:27 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Max Dunn; Framers Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. > It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this > point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe > anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. > 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sorry, Art, but the subject never came up. In any case, with people sending me offlist nasty-grams and others on my back online for a rumor which isn't even mine, I would not let the list know even if I knew. I'm not the type leave the list as _some_ people have done when under pressure, but the thought has crossed my mind, even after 14 active years on this list. Diane === -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Alan Houser; framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > Alan, > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > topic. > > Diane -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India (et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long run. -Niels ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>> I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish >> List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html Mike Wickham
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about > us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're > reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry > cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you are reduced to slinging hash then you didn't do your due diligence to keep yourself marketable and desirable. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really > value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? Talent is talent. It all depends on what you need. If you can get what you need cheaper and without hassle, generally that route wins. > I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to > India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they > brought TW back to America. I think you maybe just outsourced blindly. English is a standard language in India, and just about everyone I know in India has a better command of it than I do! ;-) Of course they speak the Queen's English, which is a bit different from my Yank tongue. ;-) > Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how > they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do > anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went > there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by > the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more > time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many > other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby > lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the > company since they were needed. Yes, quality is an issue, but my guess is that there were multiple factors contributing to quality, from your company possibly not doing its homework to outsource to the right talent to the remote group just not having their act together (and everything in between). What most companies forget is that "outsourcing" is nothing more than hiring (contract or perm) in bulk in another location. As for morale back "home", it's indeed an issue. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about the morale issue except not outsource, which may cause jobs to be eliminated rather than go overseas... It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. However, that doesn't mean it's "our" place to sit around and mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in this changing economic and commercial landscape? > For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when > workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the > loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. I'll give you that, but I argue it's not merely outsourcing that's to blame for unemployment. > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To each their own. But the issue is much bigger than keeping jobs local. If the company can't get where it needs to go given their funding and expenses... -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Bureeda opines: <> To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now witnessing in our "off-shoring" society), that's more likely than not to happen. As for profits lining owner's pockets, that's not such a bad thing when you own a share or more of the company as many of our neighbors do. That makes ownership a good thing, as more than one politician insists. Let's not lose sight of the fact that value has many meanings, one of which is the best compromise between quality and price. For given quality if the business lowers the cost, it enhances the value to the consumer. And what's wrong with benefiting consumers? ~ Bill
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to "the consumer," but rather to "the shareholders." And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 05/16/2006 02:02:08 PM: > > Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, > > I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are > necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some > pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. > > Anne > > > > The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains > confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > the e-mail immediately. Thank you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers. > com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the optoutbygroup at bd.com. ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Just a "minor" point of semantics: outsourcing and "offshoring" (outsourcing to another country) are two very different things. Anyone who has done consulting work has engaged in supporting their client's outsourcing effort. The consulting firm where I learned the ropes as a technical writer was based in Dallas and all our clients were large firms, many of them global. I now work for a leader in the product development outsourcing industry. We're located in Plano, Texas, and all our work is done here. Although, interestingly, several of our clients have headquarters abroad. The reality is, we work in a global economy. Superior work will prevail, as it always has, over poor work. I would also agree that the central (although by no means the only) motivation for outsourcing in most businesses is increased profit. And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info). Bureeda Bruner Paragon Innovations, Inc. Phone: 972-265-6000 email: bureeda at paragoninnovations.com Website: www.paragoninnovations.com Success Stories: www.paragoninnovations.com/ng/success.shtml Embedded systems design from start to success -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:46 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8? >>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't "outsourced" but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, tarage at bellsouth.net wrote: > > Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, > those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- > the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker > elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so > the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more > partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out > of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. > It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this > point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe > anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. > 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as > other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be > met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay > regions, but how to deliver greater value. Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. --Doug
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. Tarage
Re: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you are reduced to slinging hash then you didn't do your due diligence to keep yourself marketable and desirable. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? Talent is talent. It all depends on what you need. If you can get what you need cheaper and without hassle, generally that route wins. I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. I think you maybe just outsourced blindly. English is a standard language in India, and just about everyone I know in India has a better command of it than I do! ;-) Of course they speak the Queen's English, which is a bit different from my Yank tongue. ;-) Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the company since they were needed. Yes, quality is an issue, but my guess is that there were multiple factors contributing to quality, from your company possibly not doing its homework to outsource to the right talent to the remote group just not having their act together (and everything in between). What most companies forget is that "outsourcing" is nothing more than hiring (contract or perm) in bulk in another location. As for morale back "home", it's indeed an issue. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about the morale issue except not outsource, which may cause jobs to be eliminated rather than go overseas... It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. However, that doesn't mean it's "our" place to sit around and mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in this changing economic and commercial landscape? For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. I'll give you that, but I argue it's not merely outsourcing that's to blame for unemployment. So I don't think it is such a great thing. To each their own. But the issue is much bigger than keeping jobs local. If the company can't get where it needs to go given their funding and expenses... -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Bureeda opines: <> To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now witnessing in our "off-shoring" society), that's more likely than not to happen. As for profits lining owner's pockets, that's not such a bad thing when you own a share or more of the company as many of our neighbors do. That makes ownership a good thing, as more than one politician insists. Let's not lose sight of the fact that value has many meanings, one of which is the best compromise between quality and price. For given quality if the business lowers the cost, it enhances the value to the consumer. And what's wrong with benefiting consumers? ~ Bill ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > Alan, > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > topic. > > Diane -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Just a "minor" point of semantics: outsourcing and "offshoring" (outsourcing to another country) are two very different things. Anyone who has done consulting work has engaged in supporting their client's outsourcing effort. The consulting firm where I learned the ropes as a technical writer was based in Dallas and all our clients were large firms, many of them global. I now work for a leader in the product development outsourcing industry. We're located in Plano, Texas, and all our work is done here. Although, interestingly, several of our clients have headquarters abroad. The reality is, we work in a global economy. Superior work will prevail, as it always has, over poor work. I would also agree that the central (although by no means the only) motivation for outsourcing in most businesses is increased profit. And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info). Bureeda Bruner Paragon Innovations, Inc. Phone: 972-265-6000 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.paragoninnovations.com Success Stories: www.paragoninnovations.com/ng/success.shtml Embedded systems design from start to success -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:46 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8? >>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. >From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the company since they were needed. For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. So I don't think it is such a great thing. -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Framers Subject: Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't "outsourced" but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative que
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That would be the FrameMaker User's Forum on the Adobe site... 7.x/8.x Feature requests... On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote: > I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish > List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would > love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with > FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for > Microsoft doc files) > > Diana Stock > Southwest Airlines > Maintenance Training -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
adobeforums.com has a list. On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote: > I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish > List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would > love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with > FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for > Microsoft doc files) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to "the consumer," but rather to "the shareholders." And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/16/2006 02:02:08 PM: > > Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, > > I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are > necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some > pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. > > Anne > > > > The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains > confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > the e-mail immediately. Thank you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers. > com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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> I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its > Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the > Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. ... > > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To come to the conclusion that from hearing about ones that didn't work, the concept is flawed, is the wrong conclusion. The minority are the ones you hear about with problems. The majority you don't hear about are the ones that go as they should and it just becomes a normal part of the business model. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its > Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the > Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. ... > > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To come to the conclusion that from hearing about ones that didn't work, the concept is flawed, is the wrong conclusion. The minority are the ones you hear about with problems. The majority you don't hear about are the ones that go as they should and it just becomes a normal part of the business model. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Re: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. --Doug ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the company since they were needed. For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. So I don't think it is such a great thing. -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Framers Subject: Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't "outsourced" but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't "outsourced" but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for Microsoft doc files) Diana Stock Southwest Airlines Maintenance Training -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+diana.stock=wnco@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+diana.stock=wnco.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:08 AM To: Alan Houser Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Diana.Stock at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/diana.stock%40wnco.c om Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug > hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects were brought back and domestic developers were added back. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug > hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects were brought back and domestic developers were added back. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this > is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some > communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this > is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some > communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. Tarage ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon as possible. Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be worth the upgrade costs. There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical documentation. If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive. If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of FrameMaker. Regards Dieter Gust Management R&D itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600 mailto:dgust at itl.de http://www.itl.de -- itl ideas * actions * solutions > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Dov Isaacs > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM > To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source" > inside Adobe. > - Dov > > > On Behalf Of Alan Houser > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM > > To: Diane Gaskill > > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be > surprised > > to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. > (I believe > > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). > > Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > > -Alan > > > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > > > within a couple of months. > > > Diane > > > -Original Message- > > > From: lists.frameusers.com > > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > > > To: framers at frameusers.com > > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly > > > appreciated. > > > Cheers,
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. Diane == -Original Message- From: Max Dunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM To: 'Diane Gaskill' Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor... Max -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:15 AM To: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maxdunn%40siliconpublish ing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. Diane == -Original Message- From: Max Dunn [mailto:maxd...@siliconpublishing.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM To: 'Diane Gaskill' Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor... Max -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+maxdunn=siliconpublishing@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+maxdunn=siliconpublishing.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:15 AM To: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as maxdunn at siliconpublishing.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maxdunn%40siliconpublish ing.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I will reply on behalf of Adobe. (1) Diane Gaskill has no reliable source in Adobe that provided any release information. (2) Adobe has not and has no plans to move FrameMaker development "back" from India where in fact it is under active development. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: lists.frameusers.com > On Behalf Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers@frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Diane, > > Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very > quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in > India. > > Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back > to Adobe HQ? > > Art > > On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan, > > > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > > topic. > > > > Diane ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I will reply on behalf of Adobe. (1) Diane Gaskill has no reliable source in Adobe that provided any release information. (2) Adobe has not and has no plans to move FrameMaker development "back" from India where in fact it is under active development. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: lists.frameusers.com > On Behalf Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Diane, > > Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very > quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in > India. > > Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back > to Adobe HQ? > > Art > > On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > > Alan, > > > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > > topic. > > > > Diane
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
adobeforums.com has a list. On 5/16/06, Diana Stock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for Microsoft doc files) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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That would be the FrameMaker User's Forum on the Adobe site... 7.x/8.x Feature requests... On 5/16/06, Diana Stock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for Microsoft doc files) Diana Stock Southwest Airlines Maintenance Training -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for Microsoft doc files) Diana Stock Southwest Airlines Maintenance Training -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:08 AM To: Alan Houser Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers@frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/diana.stock%40wnco.c om Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers@frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8
> Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to > see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. CS3 should be out around April 2007 due to the Windows Vista delay and the Macintosh Universal install. FrameMaker is anybody's guess, but I will say I'm unimpressed by the multiple undo feature in 7.2, and the upgrade pricing of the last few versions (7.0-to-7.1 and 7.1-to-7.2). I would like to see a discounted upgrade when only moving one "notch" up. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8
> Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to > see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. CS3 should be out around April 2007 due to the Windows Vista delay and the Macintosh Universal install. FrameMaker is anybody's guess, but I will say I'm unimpressed by the multiple undo feature in 7.2, and the upgrade pricing of the last few versions (7.0-to-7.1 and 7.1-to-7.2). I would like to see a discounted upgrade when only moving one "notch" up. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon as possible. Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be worth the upgrade costs. There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical documentation. If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive. If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of FrameMaker. Regards Dieter Gust Management R&D itl - Institut für technische Literatur AG Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.itl.de -- itl ideas * actions * solutions > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dov Isaacs > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM > To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source" > inside Adobe. > - Dov > > > On Behalf Of Alan Houser > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM > > To: Diane Gaskill > > Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be > surprised > > to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. > (I believe > > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). > > Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > > -Alan > > > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > > > within a couple of months. > > > Diane > > > -Original Message- > > > From: lists.frameusers.com > > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > > > To: framers@frameusers.com > > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly > > > appreciated. > > > Cheers, ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source" inside Adobe. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: flists.frameusers.com > On Behalf Of Alan Houser > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be > surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of > months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). > Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 > month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even > longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to > confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might > speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows > for certain, however. > > -Alan > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > > within a couple of months. > > > > Diane > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: lists.frameusers.com > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > > To: framers@frameusers.com > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major > release of > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Neil > -- > Alan Houser, President > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source" inside Adobe. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: flists.frameusers.com > On Behalf Of Alan Houser > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be > surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of > months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). > Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 > month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even > longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to > confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might > speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows > for certain, however. > > -Alan > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > > within a couple of months. > > > > Diane > > > > -Original Message- > > From: lists.frameusers.com > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > > To: framers at frameusers.com > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major > release of > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Neil > -- > Alan Houser, President >
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
What else did your reliable source tell you? > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within > a > couple of months. > > Diane
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
What else did your reliable source tell you? I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Nandini Garud said: > * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT > HmmmRoboHelpH :) Alan
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart, I think you're pretty safe. Also, Adobe as a company is very good about making good when customers upgrade to a release that is superseded by a newer one. Art On 5/10/06, Neil Tubb wrote: > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil __ Neil Tubb Senior Technical Writer Solace Systems, Inc. Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
HSingleSourceWithWebWorks_ePublisherH Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nandini Garud said: > * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT > HmmmRoboHelpH :) Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
HSingleSourceWithWebWorks_ePublisherH Alan Litchfield wrote: Nandini Garud said: > * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT > HmmmRoboHelpH :) Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Nandini Garud said: > * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT > HmmmRoboHelpH :) Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
In a lecture at Silicon Valley STC API SIG, the technical honcho at Adobe fielded questions on where FrameMaker was going. A few points: * Enhancement of structured features for single sourcing, reuse of content, and access to content across enterprise * More support for XML and XSLT formats * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT The $200 upgrade works from not only 7.1, but also from 6.0. Therefore, for enhanced book features and multiple undos and redos, it's worth every buck. I upgraded to 7.2 and am quite happy about it. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+nandini=resonate@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+nandini=resonate.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:14 PM To: Neil Tubb Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart, I think you're pretty safe. Also, Adobe as a company is very good about making good when customers upgrade to a release that is superseded by a newer one. Art On 5/10/06, Neil Tubb wrote: > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
In a lecture at Silicon Valley STC API SIG, the technical honcho at Adobe fielded questions on where FrameMaker was going. A few points: * Enhancement of structured features for single sourcing, reuse of content, and access to content across enterprise * More support for XML and XSLT formats * Creation of Help from XML/XSLT The $200 upgrade works from not only 7.1, but also from 6.0. Therefore, for enhanced book features and multiple undos and redos, it's worth every buck. I upgraded to 7.2 and am quite happy about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:14 PM To: Neil Tubb Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart, I think you're pretty safe. Also, Adobe as a company is very good about making good when customers upgrade to a release that is superseded by a newer one. Art On 5/10/06, Neil Tubb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart, I think you're pretty safe. Also, Adobe as a company is very good about making good when customers upgrade to a release that is superseded by a newer one. Art On 5/10/06, Neil Tubb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil __ Neil Tubb Senior Technical Writer Solace Systems, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
