On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:04:07PM -0700, John Polstra wrote:
I have no argument about the keyboard probes. I just want to add
that in the case of the Belkin OmniView, it should be noted that
Belkin shipped a bunch of them with a couple of EPROM chips swapped
accidentally. There's a page
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:04:07PM -0700, John Polstra wrote:
I just want to add that in the case of the Belkin OmniView, it
should be noted that Belkin shipped a bunch of them with a couple
of EPROM chips swapped
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 02:35:22PM -0700, John Polstra wrote:
Maybe they swapped the labels on the chips too. :-)
Well, it apparently doesn't fry anything to have the chips reversed, so
maybe I should try swapping them just to make sure. =)
Jason
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:16:47 -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
:Finally, most keyboard/mouse/monitor switches don't work with
:FreeBSD;
This is actually not true. I'd doubt that you've even tried many of them.
Boy, you are on one about me...
I have tried 5 switches. At ClickArray,
I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the dinosaur
mentality of certain organizations such as
DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC.
If it's not in the base setup, on a production box, you can't use it. Everything must
be kept in it's
On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:16:28PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
I recently had a chance to buildworld on new -stable and -current
machines with similar spec'd HW..
The -current build was _slow_ -
10756.71 real 2026.00 user 7814.64 sys
vs -stable -
2332.03 real
On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:16:28PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
I recently had a chance to buildworld on new -stable and -current machines with
similar spec'd HW..
The -current build was _slow_ -
10756.71 real 2026.00 user 7814.64 sys
vs -stable -
2332.03 real
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:38:56PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote:
Yes the sun packages installs into /bin:
ticso@cicely22 uname -a
SunOS cicely22 5.8 Generic_108528-01 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCclassic
ticso@cicely22 which bash
/bin/bash
ticso@cicely22 file /bin/bash
/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit MSB
# Bash has a license which precludes its inclusion as part
# of the base system.
[Not that I favor more shells on the root file system, but anyway:]
What about gcc and grep? Does the license differ or are these not regarded
being part of the base system?
We would get rid of them
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Julian Elischer wrote:
...
my guess is that you are
Lets see...
Attached is a first shot to get /compat/linux/usr/bin/ipcs -s working.
I extended sem.h for SEM_STAT and gave it a special handling
in __semctl() to accept a index number.
Please review and commmit if
I've seen the 'have to be on the machine while booting' behavior
using a Belkin Omniview Pro switch, which oddly, wasn't a problem
with their OmniCube switch, at least not with my machines. Windows
had as much, or more problems with not having the console on the
booting machine as fbsd
As a preface to this whole thing, I find it higly amusing that you are
sending this mail from a Linux box. Of course, for that matter, so am I.
(I'm planning on changing that soon.)
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Jim Bryant wrote:
I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't
Here is the _precise_ problem with older firmware:
The Belkin KVM switch uses the on-off-on or off-on-off
of this LED to signal a port change character is coming next,
and times out the port change request only after a little
while.
Ah, so the problem is actually a design defect in the
On 12-Aug-01 Joe Kelsey wrote:
Thank you very much for the clear and cogent explanation of your
philosophy of the psm code. Could I suggest that you copy the
aforementioned e-mail directly into the psm.c file for everyone to see
in posterity?
Also, I have a fundamental problem with
On 12-Aug-01 Terry Lambert wrote:
Mike Smith wrote:
:Finally, most keyboard/mouse/monitor switches don't work with
:FreeBSD;
This is actually not true. I'd doubt that you've even tried many of them.
*sigh*
It seems no one has investigated why we probe keyboards at all. Maybe if
On 12-Aug-01 Terry Lambert wrote:
The FreeBSD keyboard detection is another matter; FreeBSD
will assume that there is no keyboard, and try to helpfully
drop you into serial console mode. Some of this _used_ to
be mitigated by checking for the extended keyboard bit in
the keyboard identify
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
FreeBSD is getting military contracts now. We need to think ahead to
the needs of a whole new class of admin and user, and they are in
highly restrictive environments that preclude `mv /usr/local/bin/*sh
/bin`.
And those
On 13-Aug-01 John Baldwin wrote:
runtime interface (IMO). I realize the user side of the attributes is up for
debate, but working on solving this problem is much more problem than
complaining that people aren't giving you the free gift you want.
s/problem/productive/2
--
John Baldwin
On Monday 13 August 2001 3:08 am, The Anarcat wrote:
[This email contains coarse language due to the absurdity of the thread
level we're in. My apologies to those offended. Also, my apologies to
the author of the original mail. You have triggered very sensitive areas
of my mind. :)]
OK, so we have beaten the psm and keyboard code to death. The entire
point that I have been trying to make in this discussion is that it is
imperative to document design decisions somewhere that is likely to
survive changes in maintainer.
I have been working as an administrator and programmer
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Warner Losh wrote:
A word about tone. If you were to get as in my face about, say,
pccard, as you about the psm driver, I'd certainly be ill inclined to
provide you with what you want.
Good Tone:
Say Warner, why do you bother turning off the power after
Warner Losh writes:
Good Tone:
Say Warner, why do you bother turning off the power after
you suspend a socket. Shouldn't the power routines take care
of that? Is there something subtle that's going on? Maybe a
comment is in order?
Bad Tone:
Please
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 07:51:05PM -0700, Joe Kelsey wrote:
OK, so we have beaten the psm and keyboard code to death. The entire
point that I have been trying to make in this discussion is that it is
imperative to document design decisions somewhere that is likely to
survive changes in
Not to be a pain, but can you wrap lines at a more standard 74 columns as
opposed to whatever you are currently wrapping them at? Thanks.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Jim Bryant wrote:
Gordon Tetlow wrote:
As a preface to this whole thing, I find it higly amusing that you are
sending this mail
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
FreeBSD is getting military contracts now. We need to think ahead to
the needs of a whole new class of admin and user, and they are in
highly restrictive environments that preclude
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 09:20:59PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
After seeing that grep is a GNU tool, I'm almost tempted to try writing a
BSD-style grep for the fun/exercise of it.
Rather than do that, continue the development of
/usr/ports/textproc/freegrep, which was started for exactly the
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:15:15PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote:
Actually, it is up to us to resolve this. I don't think you understand
how DOD operates. The vendor makes the changes, not DOD. Not the
admin.
Sigh. If an admin cannot handle /bin/sh long enough to get /usr mounted,
they have no
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 09:20:37PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
After seeing that grep is a GNU tool, I'm almost tempted to try writing a
BSD-style grep for the fun/exercise of it.
lizzy:/usr/ports/textproc/freegrep# cat pkg-descr
This is an implementation of grep(1) intended as a replacement
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 10:08:40PM -0400, The Anarcat wrote:
And FreeBSD is the *vendor*? I don't think so. At least I don't hope so.
Actually we *are*. Seen those ISO's up on ftp.freebsd.org??
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
It's like trying to find something in hierachically organized
GNU info documentation: redundancy is useful, and try to
find __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ in the gcc documentation, when
you need to read the man page carefully to find the
On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Terry Lambert wrote:
Finally, most keyboard/mouse/monitor switches don't work with
FreeBSD; for example, the Belkin console extender that uses the
ethernet cable doesn't work at all (it's the best one out there),
I'm using a Cybex KVM-over-CAT5 extender with a cheap
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:04:01 -0500
Jim Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JB I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the
dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as
JB DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC.
JB
JB If it's not in the base
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