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On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 05:31:12PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:55:49 -0600
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I try to learn from others' mistakes to reduce the likelihood that I
will be forced to learn from my own. If you really want to learn from
your own mistakes,
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Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:35PM -0400, itsemu wrote:
if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the
requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides
windows.. probably dont
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Dear
(the gcc Makefile is an example of this, it's too bad to be
described without using foul language). It doesn't have to be that way, but it
does a fine job of scaring everyone away from make(1).
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On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:52:17PM -0500, Lars Eighner wrote:
What I need most is to find (a) make tutorial(s) that do not suppose make is
being used for compling c/c++ programs. Yes, I know, that is mostly why
make exists, but many tutorials plunge right into C examples with implicit C
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 04:45:43AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
I have used GoDaddy for 7 years now without a single problem. Maybe I
am just lucky. I have only contacted them twice; however, I received
a quick and courteous response to my inquiry.
I try to learn from others' mistakes to reduce the
then), and make deinstall deletes stuff from
the webserver. :-)
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Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I try to learn from others' mistakes to reduce the likelihood that I
will be forced to learn from my own. If you really want to learn from
your own mistakes, though, go ahead and ignore the instances where
GoDaddy has
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:50:35PM -0400, itsemu wrote:
if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the
requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows..
probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware
each different
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:23:56PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had
a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated,
angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable
why the tech
and make should not be perplexed over how to
create them. How do I express that kind of relationship?
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Reid Linnemann wrote:
Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati
My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month
1Gbyte/s?
Yes.
it's 10Gbit/s
No.
So 1Gbyte or Gbit/s?
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Man, you're with the wrong ISP.
Or maybe it's best ISP available there? :)
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itsemu wrote:
if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the
requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows..
Excuse me, unless you have ever worked at an ISP, might I kindly ask you
to have some respect. (if you have, the call centre you likely
quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that
about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error.
Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support
people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of
their network (how many hops to the core), what
and the tech support folks are supposed to be
covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's
_really_ frustrating.
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Bill Moran wrote:
In response to Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca:
[snip]
Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to
time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while
(unfortunately).
I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain,
would hazard a guess that
about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error.
Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support
people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of
their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run
:)
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the users who scream and bitch and claim it hasn't worked for a
month!,
Simply answer why didn't you call month ago? As you called now, i count
this as problem started today.
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to kill me.
just read polish article about whole US army having to switch to windows
vista because someone decided so - no i fully understand you :)
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I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four
people before I even
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP
In response to Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com:
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400
Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote:
In response to Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com:
4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
Can't provide this, due to security reasons.
That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.
Actually, I
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Wojciech Puchar wrote:
4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
Can't provide this, due to security reasons.
That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.
It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply
fear.
Based on the answers provided, I
--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
Subject: Re: ISP questions
To: Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM
4. What kind
Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think
their other clients then - they heard exactly the same.
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to lowest offer.
But people like to hear this so they hear, and at least here marketing
people know perfectly what to answer about internet speed as they call
it :)
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Mark Hartkemeyer said the following on 2009-06-04 18:23:
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown
it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request.
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to connect?
server on my connection.
Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed
So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request.
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On 6/4/09, Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown
recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four
people before I even got some of them answered.
Here are some of the questions and answers:
1. What speed connections do you offer?
5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should
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the 'permitted'
forms of straight-jacket.
already told you i will
Thank you! I'll be watching for interesting updates :)
OK no later than tomorrow morning
There are 53 archive files for freebsd-questions in 2008. Their average
size is 1,863,288 bytes. This means around 8,229,522 of email
.
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an
extra system, running some other OS.
no. i expect them to ask THAT program support
this unfortunately.
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not, but there is
nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and trying
to explain to others that it make sense.
There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including
people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot
loader launch FreeBSD?''.
I am
thing :)
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good OS, based
of real idea of unix, and still well optimized for performance. Actually
it gets better every release.
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To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of
why adding extra moderated list is a change of deeply ingrained culture?
Once again i'm not for shutting down that list.
Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open. Adding even more lists
Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
user.
Try to imagine it now.
i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp
On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine
humour to have lots of fun,
explain to KDE/Gnome/windows fans what unix is, talk about politics,
global warming and nice girls etc. etc.
Or maybe sometimes even get help or be helpful, for example with questions
like do you know a program that do this and that?. This is an example
when i've
:)
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(and Poland) that times didn't.
already told you i will
Thank you! I'll be watching for interesting updates :)
OK no later than tomorrow morning
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, BUT NOT THE PROGRAMS
itself.
- questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things of
ported programs. For example:
---
I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all
the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example:
--- here some
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:14:20PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Not necessarily.
There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least
some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by
virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results.
The
- questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things
of
ported programs. For example:
---
I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all
the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example:
--- here some output ---
Where
/whatever OS and it works fine
They it's place to ask because certainly there's something wrong with the
port.
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
So . . . you have the same choice in a dictatorship that you have in a
benign dictatorship: leave.
That should have said:
So . . . you have the same choice in a moderated mailing list that you
have in a benign dictatorship:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an
extra system, running some other OS.
no. i expect them to ask THAT program support.
In really rare cases when they got an answer like
You did all fine, i
This is stupid, I'm unsubscribing.
jeez
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote
mailing
list charters *have* been decided.
There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including
people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot
loader launch FreeBSD?''. This way people who are not subscribed to the
mailing list can still post
actually detect
that there is not a generic kernel in /boot/kernel?
If after freebsd-update install, you would do a shutdown -r now (before
building a new custom kernel, will this be desastreous?
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kernel never made sense to me. I'm glad the GNU project finally got Hurd going
though, even though they too almost went with a BSD 4.4 based kernel before
Linux came along
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
(The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS).
Not true.
Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
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ball of
FreeBSD kernek source code.
You can install using sysinstall, but that will be out of date.
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Although there is a kernel, it is intimately part of the whole
operating system, not a kernel which someone grabs makes up a separate
distribution with.
jerry
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Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:55:52 -0400
From: jerr...@msu.edu
To: korikov...@gmail.com
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:33:44PM +0530, Shakil Khan wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone let me know how can I
the section on CVSup:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
You can grab whatever source you want with this method.
5. RTFM!
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thanks
Saifi.
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
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in a script, making sure
the script doesn't hang? And that watchdogd(8) is run to ensure the entire
system doesn't hang?
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the device will reboot. Note, we have
everything mounted ro so we dont have to worry about file system
issues.
Does the platform you are using support hardware watchdogs ?
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Coming from Gnu/Linux, I see differences in group generation on regular
user generation, and there's a group I'm not familiar with - 'operator'.
What does that one do?
I'm familiar with 'staff' and I've added my normal user to that, and of
course 'wheel'.
I intend to use the system on a laptop
is a good start for some of that.
Best of luck.
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* ill...@gmail.com ill...@gmail.com [2009-05-04 14:39:34 -0400]:
Various methods apply (for instance /dev/dspN.n is world
writable), man 5 devfs.conf is a good start for some of that.
Ah. Thanks.
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* Polytropon free...@edvax.de [2009-05-04 21:02:29 +0200]:
[...] and of
course 'wheel'.
Why of course? :-)
Umm, linuxism habit :-)
There are several groups that you can add your user to, but because
you're already in wheel, you don't have to (such as the dialer
group for ppp).
On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:34:29 Paul Hamilton wrote:
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[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ray
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Subject: questions about Fatal Trap 12
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Ray r...@stilltech.net wrote:
I Just had the power supply die on this machine. Could a failing power supply
cause this type of issues?
Absolutely.
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Steve
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to save lots of time. Rather than try every thing else first I have learned
to eliminate the power supply first, rather than the other way around. But I
also have a 100MHz dual trace 'scope too.
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Thanks Paul and Chris,
So what It comes down to is that this error is most likely a hardware problem,
and I'll just have to bring the machine down for hardware replacement and/or
testing?
Thanks,
Ray
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memory related. So I changed the memory (memtest yelled in errors) and all
was ok afterwards
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Subject: questions about Fatal Trap 12
Hello,
I have received a kernel Trap 12 error several times
that It
will significantly slow down a machine.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ray
Can anybody make any suggestions, or is there a better list to take this
question to?
Ray
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Ray
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Regards,
Roy.
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