Re: Origin of hard drive parameters

[stheg olloydson]

On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 - ihilt wrote:

On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote:

  Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or
LBA mode,
  where are these parameters stored?

 They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard
algorithm
 published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the
data for
 all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives.

Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it?

Ian Graeme Hilt

Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee
of the InterNational Committee for Information Technology
Standards (INCITS), formerly the Accredited Standards Committee
X3, Information Technology. Its standards are published by ANSI.
The one you are looking for is ANSI INCITS 397-2005 AT
Attachment - 7 with Packet Interface. You can download a pdf
from techstreet.com for $30.00US. Just search for 397-2005. 
You can also get a free copy of a working draft of a standard
withdrawn in 2002, X3.298-1996, from t13.org. While the
information you are looking is unlikely to have changed between
1996 and 2005, you are in a better position to weigh the benefit
to your project of saving $30.00US versus using possibly
horribly wrong information. (It is a _working draft_ from 1996,
after all.)

HTH,

stheg 

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Re: FreeBSD ftpd Windows compatibility

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by Wojciech Puchar:

or to be exact - Windows incompatibility with standards 
FreeBSD server.

the problem:

Windows clients (like total commander) can't fetch or delete
files with 
spaces in name - while it can create such file.

are there any solutions?

As this is a FreeBSD list, you may not get useful answers to
questions about how to use various third-party Windows
applications. Maybe asking the companies that sold you the
broken software is a better idea. Of course, you could just not
put spaces in the file names or use clients that do not have
this problem

HTH,

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Re: Http Trace.

[stheg olloydson]

Hey guys,

I am running 4.10 and I am wondering if this effect me.

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/867593 Payne'



Impossible to say, seeing that the issue has nothing to do with
which OS one runs. Try the mailing lists of the software
reported two years ago as being vulnerable.

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Re: New Logo

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by stanb:

YUK!

-- 
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout
Despite Vietcong Terror 
- New York Times 9/3/1967

Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out
badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more.

shudders,

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Re: an Iranian forum power of BSD

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 Dears,I'm discussing on power of BSD family.I told you
bind(),accept()  
socket() is own of BSD.But they saying me GNU write it.write or
Rewrite?
Yours,Mohsen

You do not specify which bind(), accept(), and socket() you are
talking about, so I will assume you mean the system calls. They
first appeared in 4.2BSD, which was released in August 1983.
(This is NOT the same thing as FreeBSD 4.2.) This was the first
unix to have TCP/IP built in. The following month, September
1983, Richard Stallman started the GNU project. 
By the way, FreeBSD 1.0 was released in December 1993. Linux 1.0
was released in March 1994; but the first version of Linux,
0.01, was released in August 1991.

HTH,

stheg




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Re: Remote Console

[stheg olloydson]

Hi all,

RS-232 Serial Port hubs seem to be a little hard to come by,
and the ones I have found are quite expensive.

COuld we could achieve the same using USB terminals and a 16
port USB hub?

-Grant

- Original Message - From: Andrew P.
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To: Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Remote Console


On 10/16/05, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks Andrew,

 So If I understand your reply, a setup like this should
always give me
 access to any of the servers by SSHing to one server, then
CUing to get to
 the console of the 'broken' one, regardless of its state
(assuming the disks
 are OK, and boot stage 1 worked):

 (WAN Shown, LAN Same, using seperate nics on Servers and
Switch)


   ISP's router
 |
 My Switch


 |  ||   |
 |
 Serv1Serv2Serv3  
Serv4
 Serv5

 Serial1-Serial2
  Serial1-Serial2
  
Serial1Serial2

 Serial1--Serial2

 Can more than 1 console access type be specified in
loader.conf ?
 i.e.
 console='serialconsole'
 console='videoconsole'

 When using 'serial console, does anything have to be
specified to use serial
 2?

 What is the default local console, how is it specified?
 i.e. the one you use when you plug a keyboard and monitor
directly into
 the machine?

 Would I need to install any other software other than the
client (CU)?

 -GRant


I haven't configured comconsoles myself, I just happen
to work at a place where they are used heavily (Sun
ALOM mostly, but built-in LOMs and FreeBSD software
comsonsoles also). Please consult the Handbook and
google, I'm sure there's nothing difficult to it.

I would not support your chaining idea, though. It's
the only one that requires $0.00 budget, but COM
hubs are cheap today. If you rent rackspace, I'm
sure your colocation provider can offer you some
kind of non-expensive remote management. If
rackspace is free, consider buying some hardware
(like a COM hub).

The matter is, that you'll want 9600 bps speeds
for max compatibility. While it is usable for
occasional failure recovery, chaining it would
make it lag too much.



Hello,

If you're in the US, you can get a 30 port serial hub for
$100.00 USD on eBay.com. Just search on portmaster and look
for a model 2e. (Don't get a model 3 or 4; those are different
things entirely.) I have been using them for more than 10 years
to do exactly what you are trying to do. You can telnet into
them or, if your rack has a phone line, you can connect a modem
and dial in. Once connected, you simply attach to the
appropriate port and you have a console. (Of course, you still
have to set up your systems to have a com console, etc.)

stheg



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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing
beast? I'm talking
about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of
/var/mail,
/etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored,
how printers,
disks, etc are shared, how to book in fixit disk mode, how to
backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions
like why XP
is professional, etc.

Hello,

Assuming you're serious and not trolling, you may wish to
consider Universal Command Guide for Operating Systems, ISBN
0764548336. It claims to cross-reference every command for
every operating system. I don't know if that's true, but I use
it from time to time, and I have yet to find an actual OS-native
command missing. The book's website is www.ucgbook.com, and it
has free samples.
As for using familiar *nix tools under Windows, MS offers
Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 as a free download. This creates
a *nix virtual machine on the Windows box that you can use to
administer either a network system (Windows or *nix) or the
local system. Read more about it here:
www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/productinfo/features/default.mspx
(URI may have wrapped).

Regards,

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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I think this is great, but there should be a project leader to
regulate overall structure of the Handbook and other documents
as 
that is perhaps where the greatest amount of work is needed.
Could
we at least have a mailing list for writers? 



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Regards,

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Re: Rebuilding everything

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Darksidex wrote:
How could I re-compile and re-install everything to take into
account the new directives in make.conf?
Ciao
Vittorio 

 
 
 You can use portupgrade -vaf

snip

I still consider myself very new to most of this, though, so
I'm not certain, but I think the system should be able to
determine your CPUTYPE automatically, without needing it 
hardcoded in make.conf.  I think you should only need to use 
this directive if for some reason it's improperly detecting 
your cpu type.

snip

Hello,

Using CPUTYPE= in make.conf causes the complier to optimize for
the specific CPU. Otherwise, it does a generic compile that
would run on any CPU. The two easiest ways to improve system
performance are to build a custom kernel that has all the
uneeded options and devices removed and to tweak make.conf.
Before doing either, read man tuning and man make.conf. Also, to
find out what all the stuff in the kernel conf does, see
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/NOTES (assuming you're running 5.x on an
Intel or Intel-compatible platform.

hth,

stheg



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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip

While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches
sio0:
type 8250.

Yow!
 
The book shows type 16550A

The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700
Mhz
 maching with 512 K of memory.

snip

The 8250 UART has been obsolete for _years_ (pre-386 days). Try
disabling the serial ports in BIOS. You may want to do the same
to the parallel port, too. After you get set up, try enabling
them to see what happens.
Don't fool with 4.6; it's pretty old. (Not as old as an 8250
chip, but still) After getting the 4.8 system running, you
should update to 4.11. Hang on to the book, though, because a
lot of the information will still apply. The up-to-date handbook
is available online at www.freebsd.org. Some ftp servers have it
in pdf format if you dislike reading online.
Out of curiosity, what motherboard make and model do you have?

HTH,

stheg

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Re: Portupgrade (vs. Portmanager) question

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

If you updated your soirces/ports cvsup then portupgrade did
what you asked it to do. It Updated all outdated
packages/ports 
and there dependencies.

I'm convinced that you are right. However, why don't I show the

other dependencies?

Hello,

They are recursive dependencies. Check each ports requirements.
cvsup-without-gui depends on ezm3. ezm3 depends on gmake,
gettext and libiconv. libiconv depends on libtool...and the foot
bone's connected to the toe bone :). 

hth,

stheg

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Re: Portupgrade (vs. Portmanager) question

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

But how does it work (/usr/ports/Makefile doesn't have a 
SEARCH statement) and is it documented somewhere, like in a MAN
page? 
 
The handbook, ¶4.3, mentions 'make search' but doesn't explain
how it works. 
 

Hello,

It uses /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk. I doubt the options in there
are officially documented, unless they are in the Developer's
Handbook. There used to be a really good replacement for make
search that had a lot of nifty options. Because I rarely used it
(or make search), what it was called is lost to the mists of
foggy memory

Regards,

stheg

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Re: Userland dig/host for lookups against /etc/hosts?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

It works if I ping 'hostname', but how can I find out the IP of
'hostname' from the command line?

Hello,

Would not grep 'hostname' /etc/hosts do this?

HTH,

stheg



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Re: portupgrade overview

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I've used portupgrade for a while without really knowing much 
about it. I suppose thats a benefit.

However, when it comes to really controlling the portupgrade
processes, I find the man page of minimal use.

Thats becuase the man pages seem to be written for someone who
already knows everything that portupgrade is doing, ie there
seems to be a lot of a priori knowledge expected of the reader.

That's the unix way :)

I am hoping there is better documentation of portupgrade. 
Something that specifies the reasons behind what it does -- why
some of the switches are necessary, how to hold back upgrade of
certain ports, how to only allow security updates to happen,
etc.

Does any such document exist?


Hello,

Try this link:
 http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html

HTH,

stheg



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Re: cannot boot 5.3 after power failure - major bug?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 --- stheg olloydson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it was said:
  
  Well you can try to boot manually it may work.
  type the
  following at the boot prompt
  
  0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader
  OR
  0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel
   
  Ooops I guess the last one is
  0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel
  Sorry
   
  
  Oh man I hat keyboard shortcuts. just pasted the
  wrong one
  again.
  
  0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel   Yup this is the
  one... I hope
  
  Hello,
  
  Thanks for the reply. I had tried that and kept
  getting the
  invalid format error. I am puzzled by the fact
  that I can get
  a directory list, but the boot loader thinks the
  format is
  wrong. Also it seems to be looking in /kernel and
  not
  /boot/kernel/.
  To work around the Disk 2 problem, I downloaded
  FreeSBIE and ran
  fsck from that. / reports as clean, but the box
  still does not
  boot. /usr and /home report HUGE numbers of
  uncorrectable errors
  and bad blocks. Tonight I am going to run SpinRite
  on the disk
  to see if the power outage really damaged the disk.
  (If it did,
  this will be the first time since the MFM/RLL disk
  days!)
  I will report the result of that test. Right now, I
  am thinking
  a power loss shutdown of 5.3 makes a system
  unrecoverable, but
  more of these tests are required before reaching
  that
  conclusion.
 
 Actually - I'd have to contradict that.  I've been
 running 5.3 on my fileserver on the home network, and
 during the last few nasty storms my UPS didn't
 survive, and died off 5 times in a week (yes, I
 replaced it), and each time FreeBSD came back up like
 a champ - no lost files (that I could find.. .yet) or
 anything! knocks on wood.
 
 
  
  Thanks,
  
  stheg
  

Hello,

Thanks for that information. I have reached that conclusion
myself based on two more tests. Both those times the system came
up fine.
The time the system did break is very strange. I ran a disk
surface diagnostic and the platters are fine. The strange thing
is I can mount the drive in another 5.3 system and read the
files, but I cannot boot up the drive because I get an error
that says Invalid Format. Clearly something is broken in the
boot process such that the process cannot recognize the
filesystem type eventhough the data (except for some files in
/var and /home) are intact. This seems to be similar to the
problem that cell posted about that prompted my test in the
first place. Odd that such a specific thing should break.
Oh, well. Not the oddest thing I've seen an OS do by a longshot.

Best regards,

stheg


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Re: boot problems

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

hello , i have already the sameproblem when i boot with freebsd
5.3 since i have had a power cut .The message of the error is :

error 16 Iba 191
No /boot/loader

FreeBSD/i386 boot
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot: error 16 Iba 191
No /kernel

I have tried boot : /kernel.old but i have No /kernel.old and i
don't know how do with the bootonly cd.

Hello,

The error you are seeing is caused by the boot loader looking in
the wrong place for the kernel. Try this command at the boot
prompt:

boot: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel

My guess is the error you see will change to Invalid Format.

I saw your post the other day and cut the power to a 5.3 test
box to see if the same thing would happen. It did. I think
something happened to your and my systems that prevents the boot
loader from recognizing UFS2. Here are the things I have tried
so far.
I booted into FreeSBIE (www.freesbie.org) and ran fsck to fix
the filesystems. The / filesytem reported clean, but /home and
/var had amazing numbers of unrecoverable errors and bad blocks.
But I still got the Invalid Format error. So I put the drive
in another 5.3 system and everything in / _seems_ readable.
Right now I am running a surface diagnostic on the drive to see
if the platters are damaged. That will not be finished until
sometime tomorrow, but so far over half the disk has been
checked and reports as undamaged. I will report the results of
the completed test.
I will run the power outage test several times to see if the
same problems appear each time. Those results will be posted
when finished.

Regards,

stheg


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Re: Does QEMU support Windows VPN ? (4th try)

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I have been trying to connect from my FreeBSD box to a
Microsoft
VPN.  I am running Windows 2000 Pro and also Windows Millennium
inside  QEMU.  I have also tried using both -user-net and
/dev/tun0 connections.  The connections fail while trying to
authenticate my name and password. 


Hello,

What does the port maintainer say?

qemu-0.6.2s.20050305
QEMU CPU Emulator
Maintained by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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cannot boot 5.3 after power failure - major bug?

[stheg olloydson]

Hello,

While testing 5.3, I deliberately cut power to the box and
powered up. Much to my surprise, I receive the following error:

error 16 lba 
invalid format

FreeBSD/i386 boot
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:
No /kernel

FreeBSD/i386 boot
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:

The disk is/was formatted as UFS2 (dangerously dedicated) with
softupdates. If I enter a command, nothing happens:

FreeBSD/i386 boot
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:fsck -y

FreeBSD/i386 boot
Default: 0:ad(0,a)fsck
boot:

If I enter a question mark, I get a listing of the root
filesystem's contents. (If the disk format were truly unknown,
how is this possible?)
This problem appears to be identical to the one posted by cell
on 3/14/05, so this would seem to be a repeatable problem.
Because this is a test box, I could just flatten it and
reinstall, I would rather do a graceful recovery. Any
suggestions on how to accomplish this would be appreciated. 
Note: Any suggestions involving using Release Disc 2 are
problematic. For some reason, the iso will not burn; the process
hangs immediately. I downloaded it from four different sites,
including ftp.freebsd.org with identical results. (The other
three disc images burn correctly.)

Thanks for your time,

stheg



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Re: cannot boot 5.3 after power failure - major bug?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Well you can try to boot manually it may work. type the
following at the boot prompt

0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader
OR
0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel
 
Ooops I guess the last one is 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel
Sorry
 

Oh man I hat keyboard shortcuts. just pasted the wrong one
again.

0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel   Yup this is the one... I hope

Hello,

Thanks for the reply. I had tried that and kept getting the
invalid format error. I am puzzled by the fact that I can get
a directory list, but the boot loader thinks the format is
wrong. Also it seems to be looking in /kernel and not
/boot/kernel/.
To work around the Disk 2 problem, I downloaded FreeSBIE and ran
fsck from that. / reports as clean, but the box still does not
boot. /usr and /home report HUGE numbers of uncorrectable errors
and bad blocks. Tonight I am going to run SpinRite on the disk
to see if the power outage really damaged the disk. (If it did,
this will be the first time since the MFM/RLL disk days!)
I will report the result of that test. Right now, I am thinking
a power loss shutdown of 5.3 makes a system unrecoverable, but
more of these tests are required before reaching that
conclusion.

Thanks,

stheg



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problem burning 5.3-RELEASE Disc 2 from iso

[stheg olloydson]

Hello,

I have have downloaded the 5.3-RELEASE four iso set from four
different ftp sites including ftp.freebsd.org. Disc 2 does not
burn, but the others do. The process hangs immediately when
trying. I have tried this on both FreeBSD using burncd on an
Acer CD-RW and Windows 2000 using Nero on a BenQ CD-RW with the
same result. Has anybody successfully burned Disc 2? If so where
did you get it from and what program did you use?

Thanks for your time,

stheg



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Re: First Time Experience-FreeBSD/i368 login:

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I am a trainee for a corporate company and I really need your
assistance. My boss as left for an emergency leave.

The server, I understand is a proxy mail server running on
FreeBSD/i386. I am new and the management wants me to add a new
email account user on the server. I am really having a hard
time
and would very much appreciate any simple assistance.
 
I am now stucked at FreeBSD/i386 (proxy.mrdc.com.pg) (ttyvo)
Login:

 
Please assist. I would very much appreciate

Hello,

You really should not do this if you do not know what you are
doing. Although they _might_ get mad if you do not know how,
they _will_ get mad if you try and break something. Ignorance is
not a bad thing but stupidity is.

Best regards,

stheg

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Re: NIC nVidia nForce MCP Network Adapter based on Realtek 8201BL PHY

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

How install in FreeBSD  NIC card nVidia nForce MCP Network
Adapter
based on Realtek 8201BL PHY ?

Hello,

If you are using 5.3, try the nv driver in ports/net/. After
building it, load it as a kernel module. I know it works for
MCP2. This may be available in earlier versions, too; I do not
know.

good luck,

stheg



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Re: wine can't read a cd

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip

Data File Error:
Starcraft is unable to read a required file.  Your cd may not
be in the  
drive.


I can not get any cracks to work.  I can use winefile to browse

   ^^
snip

Can you get any software you haven't stolen to work?

stheg



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Re: no patch whats going on

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:52:30AM +1000, Timothy Smith wrote:
 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/

That URL doesn't seem to have any details.

 openbsd and netbsd have taken action on this, but i see no
movment in 
 the freebsd camp

Well, you wouldn't, on the freebsd-questions list.  Security
discussion happens on the freebsd-security mailing list.

Kris


Hello,

Click on the Discussion and Solution links for the details.
Nothing has been said about this on the security@ list.
According to the site, this hole was disclosed 28.2.05. I wonder
if this is the issue that Theo deRaadt was complaining about

Regards,

stheg




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Re: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE error creating jail

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I am following the directions in man jail to set up a jail on
my 
system:

D=/here/is/the/jail
cd /usr/src
mkdir -p $D
make world DESTDIR=$D
 ^
Try changing this line to env DESTDIR=$D  make world

cd etc
make distribution DESTDIR=$D
mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
cd $D
ln -sf dev/null kernel

make world DESTDIR=$D fails with the following error:


make: don't know how to make /storage1/jail/usr/lib/libc.a.
Stop

I think this is a bug, but because a simple workaround exists,
maybe it will become a training issue

HTH,

stheg



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Re: 5.3 jail

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip
I need help. I try to make jail:
make world DESTDIR=
but got message, which description I found in /usr/src/UPDATING
20010919:
snip

Hello,

I do not think the problem is the one from 3 and a half years ago. Much
more recently the make world DESTDIR= function was broken. It did not
work in 5.3-RELEASE and was bug-fixed afterward. See the thread at
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/063925.html
(URL may have wrapped) for more details.

You should cvsup to 5.3p5 and try again. That is what I am using and it
works for me.

Good luck,

stheg




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Re: Are quotas possbile on md filesystems?

[stheg olloydson]

--- Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 04 March 2005 11:39 pm, you wrote:
  it was said:

snip

 Argh!  I ought to quit posting things until I've had at least two
 good 
 nights of sleep.  bin/57641 does appear to me to address the same
 issue as my 
 patch:
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/57641 
 
 Sorry for the confusion.
 
 - Bob
 

Apparently the bin/57641 patch was committed after 5.3-Release. I just
cvsup'd my source, and I still do not see it. Maybe it will be in 5.4.
Better late than never :P

Regards,

stheg





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Re: Are quotas possbile on md filesystems?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip
So after all that, NOW I notice that there is already a published 
patch for this:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/74105

Oh, well.  It was an amusing exercise.

- Bob

Eh? Maybe _I_ am the one missing something. The link you provided goes
to a patch for IPX. The only PRs for mdmfs I find are bin/57641, 64153,
and 66763, and those do not seem to deal with this issue. I think you
ought to submit your patch because mdmfs' default behavior is a
problem.

Regards,

stheg  




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Re: areca RAID (6) Controller knwon?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:



Hello,

I have no personal experience with the board, but you may find this
review interesting:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20041227/

HTH,

stheg




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Re: tab completion

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I used vipw to set my regular user's shell to tcsh. /etc/passwd shows
it correct now but I still appear to be getting sh as my shell. If I
run tcsh, I then get the tab completion. But how do I get the terminal
to put me in tcsh automatically?

Ben

Hello,

When you say my shell, do you mean root's shell? If so, changing
root's shell is not a good idea. That's what the toor account is for.
(Let the bikeshedding begin!) If you mean your personal shell, try
running pwd_mkdb on /etc/passwd to see if that fixes the problem.

HTH,

stheg



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Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by Anthony Atkielski

ygb writes:

 I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD
 He is not boot from CD. It is very old.

 How can i install FreeBSD on in?

Create a boot floppy.  You can then boot from the floppy and install
from the CD.

A fully procedure for doing this may be found here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html

Look at part 2.2.7 on that page.  It explains how to create the
floppies.

-- 
Anthony

Hello,

Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion will
not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7 and
read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not
have a floppy drive.

HTH,

Stheg

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Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by Kevin Kinsey:

 Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 
 stheg olloydson writes:
   
 
 Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion
 will
 not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7
 and
 read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not
 have a floppy drive.
 
 
 
 If you have neither a CD drive or a floppy drive, I don't see how
 you
 can install FreeBSD at all.  The only option then is network (or
 tape),
 but to use either of these you have to persuade your existing OS on
 the
 machine to load something from them and turn control over to it
 (like a
 boot).  Most operating systems are understandably lacking in
 mechanisms
 to do this (although there is a program under NT that will wipe the
 system clean in one move--I don't think it ships any more, since it
 was
 too dangerous).
   
 
 
 Section 2.13 assumes the use of a boot floppy or bootable CD in all
 cases, unless I'm reading incorrectly, which is possible but doesn't
 seem likely.

The documentation is a bit ambiguous. It states that the install files
need to be where sysinstall can find them, but it doesn't state how to
get sysinstall to run in the first place. Just below this section it
does say: 

You have a FreeBSD disk, and FreeBSD does not recognize your CD/DVD
drive, but MS-DOS/Windows® does. You want to copy the FreeBSD
installations files to a DOS partition on the same computer, and then
install FreeBSD using those files.

This certainly implies that one can install FBSD from a DOS partition
if one copies the correct files in the correct manner. That method is
explained in section 2.13.4.
Luckily for me, I have never had to confront this issue, so I have no
idea if you or I am correct.

 
 You've got to bootstrap a kernel into RAM *somehow* to do the work.
 This section discusses alternative distribution media, but doesn't
 explain
 an alternate booting of a kernel+sysinstall.
 
 Without a bootable CD and no floppy hardware, the only alternatives
 I can think of are:
 
 1.  Install FreeBSD on the HDD by moving it to another machine that
 has a floppy drive, then move it back.
 
 2.  If your BIOS supports network booting, it might be possible to
 get the laptop started diskless, and then run sysinstall over the
 network.  Sound like a big project to me, though.  I've toyed with
 the
 idea of starting a diskless LAN (mostly for fun), but haven't had
 guts
 to try it yet.
 
 3.  Anything else your BIOS might support that you can figure out
 how to get started with, but I have no idea what devices those might
 be
 
 Kevin Kinsey
 

Something not mentioned but really needs to be is hardware
compatibilty. the OP, ygb, should check the Hardware Notes to see if
his/her system will even work under FBSD. Because the laptop is older,
the amount of RAM may determine which release to run, 4.11 or 5.3.
Going through the effort the install may take only to discover the end
result is unusable would be unfortunate.

Best regards,

stheg


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Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 Hello stheg,
 
snip no longer relevant posts
 
 Hardvare configuration:
 
 Intel Pentium 120MHz
 80Mb RAM (!)
 4,3 Gb HDD Hitachi
 CD-ROM -8x Panasonic (I CAN NOT boot from it)
 
 NO LAN, NO FDD, 2,5-HDD - I can't connect this HDD
 to desktop and install FreeBSD on it.
 
 BUT I read in file /tools/00_index.txt (line 1):
 
 setup.exe   Prepare for installation from a DOS partition.
 
 
 I hope it help me, but I can not FOUND IT -
 I can't found setup.exe in the installatoin CD-ROM,
 in the ftp-server on freebsd.org
 
 Where I can found this utilite???
 

Hello,

Please include the list in all replies. As I said, I have never done
what you are trying to do, and this is one of those questions that
needs someone who has done it to step in with some good advice, so I
really cannot be of very much help.

Judging by what I have read, at some point you could install from a DOS
partition without using floppies, but that is now not possible. The
file you mention is dated 1997, but was updated in 1999. In the same
directory is a readme dated in 1999 that lists the directory's
contents, and it does not mention setup.exe. In fact, it doesn't
mention most of the stuff in the directory. So I think both are
out-of-date and useless.
The install.txt file, dated Nov. 2004, in the root directory on a 5.3
CD says this:

1.5.3 Installing from a DOS partition

To prepare for installation from an MS-DOS partition you should simply
copy the files from the distribution into a directory called FREEBSD on
the Primary DOS partition (C:). For example, to do a minimal
installation of FreeBSD from DOS using files copied from the CDROM, you
might do something like this:

 C:\ MD C:\FREEBSD
 C:\ XCOPY /S E:\BASE C:\FREEBSD\BASE

   Assuming that E: was where your CD was mounted.

For as many distributions as you wish to install from DOS (and you have
free space for), install each one in a directory under C:\FREEBSD - the
BIN dist is only the minimal requirement.

Once you've copied the directories, you can simply launch the
installation from floppies as normal and select ``DOS'' as your media
type when the time comes.



As you can see, it says you MUST use floppies for a DOS install. Maybe
this is different for 4.11; I don't know. If it is not different, your
only hope seems to be either an NFS, SLIP, or PLIP install. But before
checking into this, I strongly suggest you check your hardware
compatibility. If you want to run 4.11, see this link about the
hardware it supports:

http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/4-STABLE/hardware/i386/index.html

If you want to run 5.3, see this link about the hardware it supports:

http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/5-STABLE/hardware/i386/index.html

Good luck,

stheg

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Re: Redistribution of FreeBSD 5.3

[stheg olloydson]

it was said

Hi,

My name is Bryan and I am wondering if I can freely distribute FreeBSD
5.3. If I can redistribute it, is there anything I need to include
with the ISO images when I distribute them? I read that I need to
include the copyright notice. Do I need to include a seperate document
for this copyright notice (text file or html document) or is the
copyright notice in one of the ISO images (also, is the copyright
notice that I would need to add the one found at
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html)? I know these
might be pretty stupid questions, but its better to be safe than sorry
in my opinion. Also, is there a limit on the amount I can
redistribute?

Thanks,
Bryan

Hello,

If you're redistributing discs made from ISOs that you downloaded, you
don't need to do a thing. All the info will be be there automatically.
I'm cc'ing this to advocacy for correction in case things have changed
since last I checked (sometime in the last millenium).

Regards,

Stheg 



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Re: Concealing short disconnects

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Hello guys!

I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects
to ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely,
but the ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can
reconnect in just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less
than a second long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and
games feel the disconnect. The matter is that these applications
can handle fairly large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope
with at least 15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's
in the nature of the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect.

As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to
conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss?
I am ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities,
but I'll look into any sources you advise.

Best wishes,
Andrew P.

Hello,

This is an interesting question. It could be done, but it would take
some real work to do it, I think. Essentially, you would need a box
that acts as a cache hold a few seconds of network traffic that would
also properly respond properly to local and remote requests. Also, to
ensure that multiple outages don't empty the cache, a mechanism is
needed to answer local requests slightly slower than remote requests.
This would cause the cache to be ever increasing. To prevent the
cache from causing too much lag (from the remote end's point of view)
periodically the mechanism would have to reverse direction, so to
speak. And so on
Of course, I could be totally wrong about this. Hopefully, somebody
will correct me if I am.

Regards,

stheg

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Re: Belkin wireless card issue

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip

However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being
recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no
connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD
pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as unknown
network device

Hello,

That card uses a Broadcom chipset. FBSD has several drivers for
Broadcom chips. If none of those work, you could try a Windows driver
via Project Evil.

HTH,

stheg




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The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far....

[stheg olloydson]

it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on
Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005:

snip

Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo.  In fact, it fails the
primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to
the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects.  It also fails
several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD
project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and
mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is
probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a
trademark.

snip

FINALLY! A worthwhile point of view - not obscured by emotion or
reproduction mumbo-jumbo! These are extremely important points, the
most important being Beastie doesn't belong to FreeBSD in any way,
shape, or form. This fact renders all other arguments moot. Forget all
of the tradition, offense, professional, etc. time-wasting,
bandwidth consuming crapola that's been posted on this topic. I submit
that whether or not replacing Beastie as FBSD's main symbol is a good
idea is irrelevant. It is _necessary_.
A company needs to exclusively control an undiluted brand identifier.
Does anyone know of a business, other than the odd one person or family
run shop that doesn't have that? Would you trust a friend to hold the
rights to your logo (mascot, whatever)? Then why should FreeBSD?
Of course, the Project could buy the rights to Beastie, but then we run
into the dilution problem Mr. Smørgrav mentions. The image is
non-exclusive to FBSD. Even worse, I recall a post on questions@ by
someone reporting its use by a condom machine company in England and
Wales. Trying to enforce clear trademark use is hard enough. For the
Project to go after unauthorized use of Beastie would be expensive and
probably impossible.
So there it is. Mr. Smørgrav should be thanked for a business-based
reason for the change by making an irrefutable argument. Those that
STILL disagree should consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual
property law.

Still going to use Beastie when I can,

Stheg

P.S. My agreement with Mr. Smørgrav's argument should not be construed
as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way
this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few
commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place
among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. As is
obvious, this was a very bad idea. I propose that in the future, such
discussions be held on a special-use list to avoid the appearance of
you're neither important nor smart enough to discuss this and to
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one-upmanship makes both sides look stupid and makes useful
information, like Mr. Smørgrav's points, difficult to find.

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Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

1. I have adelphia cable internet.  I would like to get a dyndns or
no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain.

Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one
that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply
that.

Simple enough.  However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn
more about it.   Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on
godaddy to my box's dyndns address?  And from there can I set up A
records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff?

No. You don't have a static IP, so this won't work. That's what
companies like dyndns and no-ip.com are for. Read how their services
work for an more detailed explanation.

2.  What about reverse DNS?  Could I possibly do that on my box?

No. The only way to do reverse DNS is to have the IP(s) delegated to
you by your ISP. Unless you get a large block of IP addresses assigned
to you, this is unlikely to happen. (I have 16 addresses and my ISP
said, No! when I asked. I knew they would, but one hopes)

3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again
to learn).  Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com
has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this.  Is
this necessary?  Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port
other than 25 like 8080?

No. You'll have to use the reflector service. Mailservers try to
connect to port 25 because that's the port the RFC says to use. Setting
your server to 8080 will make it useless. 

Thanks.  Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me.

You're wlecome. I suggest you read the book _DNS and BIND_ by Albitz
and Liu, published by O'Reilly. It's generally considered the
definitive work on this topic and will save you many hours of
frustration. After reading it you'll know why you can run web and mail
servers from a dynamic IP but not a name server.
One thing to consider, clearly you don't have a commercial account. If
I were you, I would check what Adelphia can do if they catch you
running servers from a residental account. I know somebody that got
caught by rr.com. They back billed him for a commercial account. It
totaled more than US$6000.00. Of course, that's not as bad as what
Buckeye Cable did to the users that uncapped their modems a couple
years ago.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021122017460.htm

Regards,

stheg





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Re: Power-down problem on 5.3

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. 
Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function.

If I run shutdown -p now the system reboots instead of shutting
down.

snip

Best regards,

Mikkel C. Simonsen

Hello,

I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box and it worked. Do you have ACPI
enabled? Maybe a bug was fixed between _RELEASE and _p5? If you have
ACPI enabled, try cvsupping. (Don't forget to read src/UPDATING if you
do.)

HTH,

stheg



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RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[stheg olloydson]

--- Johnson David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement,
  This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the
  religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only
 complaints I
  have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the
  question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to
 make
  any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for
  complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious
 orthodoxy
  on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the
 barrier
  between state and church to make the United States into a
 theocratic
  country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming
 from
  an irrational minority that should be ignored.
 
 Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these
 lists.
 There is no America's Taliban, and the use of the term is used
 solely to
 incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on
 operating systems they must also share you views on religion and
 foreign
 policy is sheer hubris.
 
 I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open
 Source a
 collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen
 such
 anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is
 this to
 be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid
 the rush
 in switching to another BSD.
 
 As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am
 getting
 quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and
 culture.
 
 David Johnson
 

Well, well, well! Hit too close to home did I?  I said that those
complaining about the beastie belong to an irrational minority that
wish to impose their religion on others. In what way is this statement
bigotry or anti-Christian or anti-American?
You, however, make a very revealing statement when you say, But I am
getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and
culture. The operative word here is my. Why do you think that I am
not a Christian American produced by the same culture as you? Is it
because I have a name not typically associated with being an American?
I think your assumption proves my xenophobia remark, at least in
regards to you, don't you?

Best regards,

Stheg Olloydson




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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is right on.

Sounds like you're another person who, for reasons that you know better
than I, you seem to have taken my remarks as a personal attack.

I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got
rid of it.  Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the
political spectrum it comes from.

Agreed to a point, the point being WHY beastie is replaced or, in
newspeak, supplemented. If beastie were being supplemented as a
routine matter of business as logos sometimes are, I wouldn't be
annoyed, only disappointed. However, as you point out, beastie is being
replaced in a capitulation to what you mischaracterize as political
correctness. This is a case of theological correctness; politics
doesn't enter into the discussion. 
What I said is that those who complained about beastie belong to a
brand of religious ideology belonging to an irrational minority and as
such they and their complaints should be ignored. 


 However, so-called free thinkers who bravely equate George Bush
to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping
the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking
Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy
theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA
assassinated reggae singers because America was about to chill out
too much.

I don't believe I mentioned anything about Bush, Iran, fetuses, Michael
Moore, Che Guevara, or the CIA. Please keep to the discussion at hand
if you're not irrational.

And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully
liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government
leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in
bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that
regulate people's private lives.

Sounds like you are unhappy with your local government. I would
register and vote them out of office if I were you. That's how a
representative democracy works.

 And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments
are not known for their great libertarian restraint.  The
anti-terrorism laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe
Holland soon enough) make the Patriot Act look like something out of
Mayberry.

Now I'm really puzzled. Are you saying that you are moving to Europe to
get away from painfully liberal Montgomery County? I don't think
you'll like it there after the novelty wears off. Compared to most of
America, it's cold and expensive.
Perhaps you, like Mr. Johnson, are assuming from my name that I am not
American and are making a Europeans are worse than Americans
argument. Once again, your words do more to prove than disprove my
xenophobia remark.

Know thyselves, hypocrites.  Fundies aren't the only ones that
need to mind their own business. 

Based on this statement, I infer you are calling people against
religious oppression hypocrites, an interesting but contextually
irrelevant remark. Unless you mean to imply that I personally am a
hypocrite. If that is the case, adduce the statements I have made to
make your case.

You go on to say Fundies -and others- need to mind their own
business. The problem here is the Fundies (your word, not mine)
aren't minding their own business; they're minding ours!  
Also at issue is the way the decision to supplement beastie was made.
Apparently, the FreeBSD Project thinks sneaking around and handing
out a _fait accompli_ is the proper way to be professional in this
community. As a member of this community, I AM minding my own business
by taking them to task for a rather base betrayal of trust.


   Did I mention I like Beastie?)

Good for you. Then you, too, should be against supplementing beastie
for the same reason I am.


Rob.

Best regards,

Stheg



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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[stheg olloydson]

I was not asked my opinion about whether or not the logo needs
changing. I would like to clarify the reason[s] for this.
When you say, The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce..., the
statement implies a majority of the FreeBSD Project made this
decision. Who is the FreeBSD Project? According to the announcement,
The FreeBSD Project is a team of individuals from all corners of the
globe who volunteer time and expertise to develop the FreeBSD operating
system. When you say team do you mean only core? Are those few
people the entire Project? You don't say that, so whether or not one
is a member depends entirely if one volunteers to develop FreeBSD.
The question is what does develop mean. Does one who donates money
and/or hardware count? No. By your definition, the Project includes
only those who supply time and expertise - only those that supply
their personal service. What counts as expertise? Programming
obviously, but what if a person produces only poor quality ports? What
about documention? Clearly the person is supplying time and
expertise, but does that count as developing FreeBSD? If yes, then
what about answering questions on the mailing lists? Would that also
count?
Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement,
This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the
religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only complaints I
have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the
question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make
any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for
complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy
on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier
between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic
country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from
an irrational minority that should be ignored.
A second point is made, And this daemon character seems cute from
somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit
for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD
inside. The point is better phrased as, The FreeBSD Project has
decided that the beastie logo is unprofessional. This being the case,
why does the Project think that the best way to get a professional
logo is follow pretty much the same procedure that led to the beastie
logo? Wouldn't a company that specializes in logo design/image
consulting be far more qualified to design and select a new logo?
Consider how much better Linux is doing in the maketplace than FreeBSD
with its professional penguin logo. I, for one, think that logo choice
is too important to be left amatuer attempts.
A third point that was not raised is what else can be done to make
FreeBSD look more professional. All official communication should be
vetted by and reported as coming from a native American-English
speaker. For example, from the announcement, written by Jun Kuriyama,
And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view,
but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional
products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside. The grammar is
abominable. How can FreeBSD possibly be taken seriously as a
professional product as long as it allows official communications to
come from those that can barely communicate in American-English?
Furthermore, Americans have time and again proven to be among the most
xenophobic nationalities, especially toward other races and religions.
Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce
northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a
first name that sounds American.
I realize that at first many will find my last point to be offensive,
but I think it is just as important as changing the logo and should be
given the same consideration. 

Best Regards,

Stheg Olloydson 

P.S. Many cultures, such as the Japanese, think that you get what you
pay for, so having the name FreeBSD is no different from being named
ShiteBSD. I am looking forward to the competition to rename the OS.


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Re: Samba - microsoft-ds connection?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

What is microsoft-ds? Couldn't find anything about it in MS'
knowledgebase.

Marty 

Hello,

It MS's Directory Service, what is usually called SMB. As long as it's
between systems on your network, it's nothing to worry about.

HTH,

stheg



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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | More Info

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

All,
 This post is not about BSD VS. Linux and should not be taken that
way.  I think that Flame Wars/Engineer Wars are  waste of time and
energy.  I was surprised by my test results and didn't want to take
FBSD out of the loop just yet.  There may be flaws in my testing that
have led me to inaccurate results.  I didn't share the testing details
in the original mail because of time constraints, and the notes are
fairly lengthy.  I will add my notes to this mail so that there is a
better understanding of what tests I performed, and their results.
It's important to note that I did not tweak any of the default
settings of the OS or DB.  The notes should be generally self
explanatory, but will be more that happy to clarify any questions that
you have.  As a side note, I chose the email address linicks because
by name is Nick, and thought it was a fun play on words.  I appreciate
all of your feedback, so that I can better understand the differences
in these great operating systems and communities.

Thanks Again!
--Nick Pavlica

Hello,

I'm glad you weren't trolling. I, too, think the OS wars are a load of
cark. Each OS has it strengths and weaknesses. Time is better spent
increasing the strengths and fixing the weaknesses than arguing about
whose are _better_.
I can say right off that FBSD's out-of-the-box state is intended for
stability rather than performance. The real question is what they do
after tuning. Here I would expect FBSD to do somewhat better,
especially on the uni-processor machine. Running the tests on the SC400
hardware won't be a problem for me, but I have no spare SMP or SCSI
equipment to do the PE2400 tests - which I think would be the more
interesting. Perhaps someone else on the list can do this? Not to
provide a head-to-head showdown but to see if something is actually
wrong that isn't already being looked at. (Everyone knows threading has
problems that are being dealt with. That's why I'm not so sure FBSD
will out-perform Fedora at this time on an SMP box.)
To be on the safe side, I'll  cc this to the performance list, as well.
Maybe someone has already done something similar and has quick answers.
Thus, I'm including unquoted the rest of your email below.
Finally, the addy thing was just me getting in a shot at you if you had
turned out to be trolling.

Regards,

stheg

The tests and results below here. I don't know how the formatting is
going to turn out. If its too mangled, see the original post on
questions@

OK, The testing notes already :)
---
Hardware Configs:
Dell PE 2400
- Dual PIII 500Mhz
- 512Mb Ram
- Perc 2si controller
- (2) 10k ultra160 drives in a raid 1 configuration.

Dell SC400
- P4 2.4 Ghz (not hyperthreaded)
- 512Mb Ram
- Stock  40Gb IDE 7200RPM

Postgresql Test Scripts:
CREATE TABLE test1 (
   thedate TIMESTAMP,
   astring VARCHAR(200),
   anumber INTEGER
);

CREATE FUNCTION build_data() RETURNS integer AS '
   DECLARE
   i INTEGER DEFAULT 0;
   curtime TIMESTAMP;
   BEGIN
   FOR i IN 1..100 LOOP
   curtime := ''now'';
   INSERT INTO test1 VALUES (curtime, ''test string'', i);
   END LOOP;
   RETURN 1;
   END;
' LANGUAGE 'plpgsql';

SELECT build_data();

Then the following script is run under the time program to ascertain
how long it takes to run:

CREATE TABLE test2  (
   thedate TIMESTAMP,
   astring VARCHAR(200),
   anumber INTEGER
);
CREATE TABLE test3 AS SELECT * FROM test1;
INSERT INTO test2 SELECT * FROM test1 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0);
DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0);
DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 13) = 0);
CREATE TABLE test4 AS
SELECT test1.thedate AS t1date,
   test2.thedate AS t2date,
   test1.astring AS t1string,
   test2.astring AS t2string,
   test1.anumber AS t1number,
   test2.anumber AS t2number
FROM test1 JOIN test2 ON test1.anumber=test2.anumber;
UPDATE test3 SET thedate='now' WHERE ((anumber % 5) = 0);
DROP TABLE test4;
CREATE TABLE test4 AS SELECT * FROM test1;
DELETE FROM test4 WHERE ((anumber % 27) = 0);
VACUUM ANALYZE;
VACUUM FULL;
DROP TABLE test4;
DROP TABLE test3;
DROP TABLE test2;
VACUUM FULL;

-
sc400 freeBSD5:
$ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=1M
1048576+0 records in
1048576+0 records out
1073741824 bytes transferred in 71.807645 secs (14953029 bytes/sec)
71.82real 0.68 user 8.83 sys
71.82 / 60 = 1.197

--
517 nick.pavlica -160  1212K   588K wdrain   0:02 12.35%  5.91% dd
517 nick.pavlica -160  1212K   588K wdrain   0:13 12.48% 12.35% dd

$ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=2M
2097152+0 records in
2097152+0 records out
2147483648 bytes transferred in 136.815925 secs (15696153 bytes/sec)
 136.85 real 1.29 

Re: Samba - microsoft-ds connection?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip
 Ahah, then maybe there is something to worry about.
snip

Marty

Hello,

Yes, this is a well-known attack vector in the Windows world.
Regardless of a gateway's OS, one should be running as good as possible
firewall checking all incoming and outgoing packets. Windows machines
in particular are targets and should be running anti-virus, spyware,
and firewall software locally, as well, to add another layer of
protection.

Regards,

stheg



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Re: Which Way to Partition.

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I am new to FreeBSD, and have only used Linux for less than 
a year.

I have read the Handbook, also FreeBSD An open-source 
system for your personal computer, they both suggest that I 
do a standard installation, whereas in The Complete 
FreeBSD by Greg Lehey, his suggestion is to do the custom
installation.   
Any suggestions as to which way to go.? 
 
Peter

Peace is never more than one thought away

GNU/Linux
Freedom  
http://libranet.com
http://www.fsf.org

Hello,

This is a bikeshed question, i.e. everyone is expert enough to have an
opinion. As such this has been discussed numerous times on this list.
search the archives and pick whatever theory seems reasonable for your
use.
BTW, having GNU/Linux - Freedom in your sig file when posting to a
*BSD list is a bit of a _faux pas_, wouldn't you agree? (You do know
that *BSD isn't Linux, don't you?)

HTH,

stheg



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Re: Which Way to Partition.

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I am new to FreeBSD, and have only used Linux for less than 
a year.

I have read the Handbook, also FreeBSD An open-source 
system for your personal computer, they both suggest that I 
do a standard installation, whereas in The Complete 
FreeBSD by Greg Lehey, his suggestion is to do the custom
installation.   
Any suggestions as to which way to go.? 
 
Peter

Peace is never more than one thought away

GNU/Linux
Freedom  
http://libranet.com
http://www.fsf.org

Hello,

This is a bikeshed question, i.e. everyone is expert enough to have an
opinion. As such this has been discussed numerous times on this list.
search the archives and pick whatever theory seems reasonable for your
use.
BTW, having GNU/Linux - Freedom in your sig file when posting to a
*BSD list is a bit of a _faux pas_, wouldn't you agree? (You do know
that *BSD isn't Linux, don't you?)

HTH,

stheg

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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip

However,  after performing a number of I/O and Postgresql tests on
different equipment, the performance proved to be considerably faster
when using Fedora.  Fedora with XFS was the clear performance winner
in every test, followed by Fedora with EXT3, then FreeBSD.  I was
surprised to find such a dramatic difference between Fedora with XFS
and FreeBSD.  In almost every test Fedora(XFS) was  dramatically
faster performing the exact same operations on the same hardware. 

snip

Are there any good reasons for such a difference.  Your thoughts are
appreciated.

Thanks!
--Nick Pavlica


Hello,

Although your email has all the classic hallmarks of a troll, I will
rise to the bait.
You need to post your hardware and software configs for both OSs, along
with your test methodology to get anything other than the email
equivalent shrug of the shoulders. The software configs need to include
your kernel conf, make.conf, dmesg, etc. and their Linux counterparts.
In the test methodology, include the names of whatever benchmarking
software, if any, that you used. Don't forget the stats that showed the
claimed perfomance difference. Throw in anything else you think that
one would need to reproduce your tests.

Regards,

stheg

P.S. If the name in your addy is meant to be phonetically identical
to the name Linux, it isn't. Linus pronounces it lee-nooks, where
the oo sound is the same as in smooth, not foot (neutrally-accented
American pronunciation). After living in the States for some time now,
I know Americans say it the same way you apparently do, but as with
most things these days, just because an American says it doesn't make
it true. That's a joke! Don't you people get all jingoistic or
xenophobic on me. HA! That's another joke! Sorry, but the recent
Coronat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Inauguration has left me slightly stupified. -My
last joke! Really! I wouldn't want to have Homeland Security think I'm
really anti-American. Besides, I have to go, someone's pounding on the
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Re: Bridge with PF

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Hello,

after doing kldload -v bridge, I can see that I have it:

snip

Where is the mention of bridge with pf ? Or am I misunderstanding who
bridge is supposed to work with pf ?

I do have PF compiled into the kernel, it currently is doing NAT
with packet filtering. Running 5.3.

Hello,

Bridge(4) doesn't work very well with pf. Check the pf list archives
for the exact details. You may want to explain what you're trying to
accomplish on that list as sometimes a work-around is possible.

Regards,

stheg



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Re: Thread Scheduling

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

snip

My question is, will I notice any performance improvement by using the
new scheduler opposed to the 4.4BSD scheduler on an SMP system and can
the new scheduler be utilized on a single processor system?  The
intended use of the SMP system is for MySQL databases only.

snip

Hello,

I asked about the new scheduler on the performance list. Below is
(posted on list) reply:

FWIW, one of the reasons that there hasn't been as much 
interest in SCHED_ULE lately is likely that several of the 
features previously only present in SCHED_ULE are now also 
present in SCHED_4BSD -- for example, making more effective 
uses of IPIs in reducing latency during inter-process 
communication across processors.  While SCHED_ULE does contain 
a number of interesting things not present in SCHED_4BSD, the 
4BSD scheduler has hardly gone un-improved in that time.  
However, Jeff Robserson does seem to have picked up recently 
on both VFS SMP locking and ULE.  The scheduler tracing and 
visualization tools he committed a couple of weeks ago are 
really quite neat tools.

Robert N M Watson

So we'll just have to wait until ULE is fully baked to see which
scheduler is best for a given application. For a more definitive
answer, you may want to ask directly on the performance list.

HTH,

stheg



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Re: different behaviour between 4.x and 5.x (ping response/disk io) [was Re: ]

[stheg olloydson]

it was said

 Just a few day ago i installed NetBSD 2.0 to make a final stroke to
 my decision as i got this computer on the 16. of november. Main
 advantage in my opinion is that raidframe performs better than vinum
(at least 
 with my setup and with the tests i performed). There are some other 
 topics but mainly subjective and not the matter of this email. I
 guess i'm going to stick with it, developers and time will do the
rest for me. :)
 But what's most important is that your mail gave me the confidence
 that my hardware isn't faulty. It's also very nice that you shed some
 light on the that whole network subject.

Glad to be of help. Raidframe had been ported to FBSD 5.x, but it was
removed because kernel changes broke it, and no one volunteered to fix
it. I think gvinum replaced vinum in 5.3 for the same reason. I don't
use software raid, so I don't really know.
But NBSD 2.0 is very nice. A company that I do consulting for has just
chosen it as the OS for a new embedded product in their pipeline. I've
been toying with the idea of idea of web-enabling my toaster by hooking
up temperature sensors and a camera, so web surfers could make toast at
my house. I was going to use a 8051 chip and write the code, but maybe
I'll use NBSD on an embedded board. (Someday, I may want to add the
sprinkler system, pool pump,)
 
 P.S. (to the list in general) Why do all of the questions about FBSD

performance, especially 4.x vs 5.x, come from people posting from
 Windows boxes? Theories?
 
 In my case i'm using windows because it's pre-installed on the laptop
 i use and i never had luck with *bsd/linux on the desktop (and
 especially laptops). 

This was meant as a humorous question because of certain Windows users'
not well-reasoned or -argued posts on this very topic in the last few
days.

 Well, enough said. (Maybe i'll make some space free for FreeBSD 5.3
 to give a try but i'm not to optimistic that it will suffice my
needs)

Different tools for different jobs. Although, in the thread you
referenced, you said you were having major SMP problems with NBSD. I
hope you get those sorted. Those, I would think, are worse than any
network and vinum performance problems. In any event you may wish to
check back when 5.4 is released. (No release schedule yet.)
 
 Thanks for your kind assistance and best regards,

Jochen Keil

You're welcome and see you on the 'net.

stheg

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Re:

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Now i am really puzzled because i cannot understand why 4.x behaves 
relatively good compared to 5.x on this specific issue. Is there a
good 
explanation or does one have to investigate this further?

Hello,

First, I do not speak for anyone but myself. Therefore, any information
this post contains is based solely on my understanding of that
information and is only as accurate as that understanding is correct.

To sum up your problem, you tested FreeBSD 5.3, NetBSD 2.0, FreeBSD
4.11 and an elder version of the Knoppix (Linux 2.4) CD and found that
FreeBSD 4.11RC2 had the best ping responses from that group. What you
want to know is why FBSD 5.3 doesn't respond as well as 4.11RC2. Is
this correct?
Assuming that it is, the answer is that 5.3 is the first stable release
of the 5.x branch. One of the 5.x branch's main purposes is to make
FBSD much more scalable in terms SMP support. Doing this requires
removing the Giant lock. It had been hoped that the removal process
would be finished in time for 5.3. Unfortunately, as often happens in a
volunteer project delays occurred for various reasons, that was not the
case. The incomplete removal meant that not all subsystems could be
optimized properly. One of those subsystems is networking.
This is not as bad as it sounds because while 5.3's network performance
is not as good as 4.11RC2, it is no worse that of NBSD 2.0 or any Linux
distro. Also, the optimization has already begun on networking and 5.4
should be _at least_ as good as 4.x.
Also, as you saw yourself, using an SMP kernel in FBSD 5.3 doesn't
cause a performance hit in networking but it does in NBSD 2.0.
So your choices seem to be use 4.11RC2 (full release due shortly) to
get the best network response, 5.3 to get as good performance as NBSD
2.0 but with SMP, or use NBSD 2.0 to get as good perfomance as 5.3 but
without SMP. Of course, you can wait until NBSD (your prefered OS)
performs as well as FBSD, but that may be a lnng time.:)

HTH,

stheg

P.S. (to the list in general) Why do all of the questions about FBSD
performance, especially 4.x vs 5.x, come from people posting from
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Re:

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Now i am really puzzled because i cannot understand why 4.x behaves 
relatively good compared to 5.x on this specific issue. Is there a
good 
explanation or does one have to investigate this further?

Hello,

First, I do not speak for anyone but myself. Therefore, any information
this post contains is based solely on my understanding of that
information and is only as accurate as that understanding is correct.

To sum up your problem, you tested FreeBSD 5.3, NetBSD 2.0, FreeBSD
4.11 and an elder version of the Knoppix (Linux 2.4) CD and found that
FreeBSD 4.11RC2 had the best ping responses from that group. What you
want to know is why FBSD 5.3 doesn't respond as well as 4.11RC2. Is
this correct?
Assuming that it is, the answer is that 5.3 is the first stable release
of the 5.x branch. One of the 5.x branch's main purposes is to make
FBSD much more scalable in terms SMP support. Doing this requires
removing the Giant lock. It had been hoped that the removal process
would be finished in time for 5.3. Unfortunately, as often happens in a
volunteer project delays occurred for various reasons, that was not the
case. The incomplete removal meant that not all subsystems could be
optimized properly. One of those subsystems is networking.
This is not as bad as it sounds because while 5.3's network performance
is not as good as 4.11RC2, it is no worse that of NBSD 2.0 or any Linux
distro. Also, the optimization has already begun on networking and 5.4
should be _at least_ as good as 4.x.
Also, as you saw yourself, using an SMP kernel in FBSD 5.3 doesn't
cause a performance hit in networking but it does in NBSD 2.0.
So your choices seem to be use 4.11RC2 (full release due shortly) to
get the best network response, 5.3 to get as good performance as NBSD
2.0 but with SMP, or use NBSD 2.0 to get as good perfomance as 5.3 but
without SMP. Of course, you can wait until NBSD (your prefered OS)
performs as well as FBSD, but that may be a lnng time.:)

HTH,

stheg

P.S. (to the list in general) Why do all of the questions about FBSD
performance, especially 4.x vs 5.x, come from people posting from
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Re: different behaviour between 4.x and 5.x (ping response/disk io) [was Re: ]

[stheg olloydson]

(Sorry about the multiple posts. I somehow sent this without a subject
line before.)

it was said:


Now i am really puzzled because i cannot understand why 4.x behaves 
relatively good compared to 5.x on this specific issue. Is there a
good explanation or does one have to investigate this further?


Hello,

First, I do not speak for anyone but myself. Therefore, any information
this post contains is based solely on my understanding of that
information and is only as accurate as that understanding is correct.

To sum up your problem, you tested FreeBSD 5.3, NetBSD 2.0, FreeBSD
4.11 and an elder version of the Knoppix (Linux 2.4) CD and found that
FreeBSD 4.11RC2 had the best ping responses from that group. What you
want to know is why FBSD 5.3 doesn't respond as well as 4.11RC2. Is
this correct?
Assuming that it is, the answer is that 5.3 is the first stable release
of the 5.x branch. One of the 5.x branch's main purposes is to make
FBSD much more scalable in terms SMP support. Doing this requires
removing the Giant lock. It had been hoped that the removal process
would be finished in time for 5.3. Unfortunately, as often happens in a
volunteer project delays occurred for various reasons, that was not the
case. The incomplete removal meant that not all subsystems could be
optimized properly. One of those subsystems is networking.
This is not as bad as it sounds because while 5.3's network performance
is not as good as 4.11RC2, it is no worse that of NBSD 2.0 or any Linux
distro. Also, the optimization has already begun on networking and 5.4
should be _at least_ as good as 4.x.
Also, as you saw yourself, using an SMP kernel in FBSD 5.3 doesn't
cause a performance hit in networking but it does in NBSD 2.0.
So your choices seem to be use 4.11RC2 (full release due shortly) to
get the best network response, 5.3 to get as good performance as NBSD
2.0 but with SMP, or use NBSD 2.0 to get as good perfomance as 5.3 but
without SMP. Of course, you can wait until NBSD (your prefered OS)
performs as well as FBSD, but that may be a lnng time.:)

HTH,

stheg

P.S. (to the list in general) Why do all of the questions about FBSD
performance, especially 4.x vs 5.x, come from people posting from
Windows boxes? Theories?



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Re: Unable to install FreeBSD 5.3 on a SMP box

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Hi there
I'm trying to install FreeBSD 5.3 on a dual p3 box:
asus cuv4x-d mobo
adaptec AHA-2940 uw and 29160

snip


/boot/kernel/acpi.ko text=0x3fbfc data=0x1c04+0x112c
syms=[0x4+0x72f0+0x4+0x97c7]

int=000d  err=  efl=00030246  eip=
eax=8000f000  ebx=  ecx=feff  edx=0082
esi=0002  edi=000c  ebp=0002  esp=fffc
cs=cc00  ds=9ec0  es=44acfs=  gs=  ss=9d58
cs:eip=ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
   ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
ss:esp=ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
   ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
BTX halted

I have tried unloading ACPI with no luck

I have tried all options but I get the same message

Hello,

The only times I have seen this is when the install disc had corrupted
files. Try downloading the disc 1 iso again and reburning it.

HTH,

stheg


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re: smtp pull

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Hi,

Looking for some thoughts on the following scenario.

firewall  smtp2
|
|
smtp1

smtp1 is on the DMZ. So smtp1 is the first point of call for incoming
mail. Mail ultimately has to end up on smtp2 however I do not want
smtp1
to simply forward the mail to smtp2 as I'll have to explicitly allow
the
setup of port 25 through the firewall to smtp2.

I would like smtp2 to connect to smtp1 and pull back the mail so that
it's smtp2 that initiating an outgoing connection to smtp1.

Is there any smtp type approach I can use?

snip

etrn?

stheg



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Re: Blacklisting IPs

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

These types of attacks don't seem directed -- it's more like fishing
for unprotected systems.

FWIW, changing the ssh port dropped the illegal user attempts to 0
instantly...

- ben

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:29:10 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I'm going to attack you I'm going to use nessus to scan all
 ports on your machine.

Hello,

Too many break-in attempts come from cracked Windows boxes running
script bots to make reporting these attempts practical, so I changed my
ssh port to a non-standard one. Now, if I see a break-in attempt, I
block the /21 the attacking IP falls into and report it to the relevant
ISP/network admin because I know a black hat has taken a personal
interest in my network.

Regards,

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re: Reasonable Hyperterminal alternative?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 I'm seeking a reasonable alternative to WinXP/2000 Hyperterminal as a

 console application (for serial port access to a no-graphics card
box).


Hello,

I use SecureCRT from www.vandyke.com, but it pricey. Check TUCOWS
listing at
http://www.tucows.com/networkadministration_terminalemulation_default.html
(URL may have wrapped). They have user ratings, complete descriptions,
and download links for at least 23 different console programs. Some are
even free! (Most are shareware.) A popular (free) one is puTTY. FreeBSD
even has a port of it.

HTH,

stheg

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re: A7N question

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Has there been any work on the driver for the A7N's nforce MCP built
in  
network chipset?

Hello,

What you're looking for is the nvnet driver. It's in
/usr/ports/net/nvnet.
From pkg-descr: This should work on all nForce and nForce2 based
motherboards that have the MCP MAC enabled.

HTH,

stheg

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re: How to configure gcc in FreeBSD 5.3

[stheg olloydson]

it was said (in one very long line):

Is there a way to configure gcc post installation of the 5.3 release? 
I am thinking to leverage the -cputype flag used by the compiler. 
BTW, is there any noticeable performance gain by using the cputype
flag with gcc? My processor is athlon-xp.

Hello,

Consult /etc/share/examples/make.conf and the man page for make.conf.
Watch out for the options -fmemoize-lookups and -fsaved-memoized
because those are for gcc 3.0 and FBSD 5.3 has 3.4.
Perhaps the best option is to look through the gcc manual for
interesting things, but ask before using them because FBSD is picky.

HTH,

stheg 



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Re: Designed for FreeBSD stickers

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I'd put those badges on all the servers I configured if they weren't
2 bucks a pop! I'd be willing to pay a quarter, or at most 50 cents,
but $2 seems excessive.

--Brett


Wonder what they do with that execessive profit from their
merchandise?

http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/community.html

Regards,

stheg

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Re: fsck inadequacies

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

But, unlike the other windows systems that run up there, the FreeBSD 
system seems incredibly
prone to disk corruption. Often the system will not reboot, and hangs 
while it asks for a file check.
I can't do that remotely - it has to be a person.
 I frequently need to run fsck, and that does not always work.  It is
hard
to instruct a diesel mechanic on such matters from such a distance.  
fsck -y
 usually does not work either.

It seems someone only needs to sneeeze and it goes into panic mode.  I

would happily live with the odd
corrupt disk track or so if it means I can keep it running and at
least 
be able to access
it remotely. Please don't advise me to be more careful and get a
better 
power supply etc -
it simply is not possible. This is a very remote site, the humidity is

low, static electricity
is always a problem. 

thanks

Wayne Hocking

Hello,

What I would do is redirect the console on the troublesome box to a
serial port and cable that a reliable box. Also, this behaviour is not
normal. Ship a system up there, have someone hook it up, and then
transfer the data over.

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: 4 part domain names

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

* stheg olloydson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1157 00:57]:

 .. Generally, however,
 the tertiary domain level is the system's function: www, ftp, mail,
 etc. if the system is public.

nitpick
the function is often the leftmost component, not the tertiary -
plenty
of domains have more than 2 domain components.
/nitpick

Quite right. I should have said, In domains following the domain.xxx
structure the tertiary..., and domains following the cTLD structure of
domain.yy(y).xx the quartenary And instead of Generally, I should
have said, Customarily.

Thanks,

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Re: 4 part domain names

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 12:48:49AM +0100, Hexren wrote:
: Now add to that picture that every subdomain could be an alias for
another
: domain or point to an IP address, which incase of the IP address is
: meaning a real machine.

So that means that the right-most portion of the subdomain would be
either
the aliased domain of another machine or an IP address, right?  So
does that
mean us.510.mail.yahoo.com could be us.510.some_secret_domain.xxx?? 
Or that
it could be a new domain within a private network?  Or either?

jm


Either - although the likelihood of a private network's DNS being
publicly advertised is small. The some_secret_domain part is really
very common. Usually it is called domain forwarding or domain masking.
This is useful companies that, for whatever reason, want to redirect
traffic from one URL to another. For instance, HP bought Compaq. If you
try to go to compaq.com, you'll arrive at hp.com.
Really, the only thing matters is the .xxx part and which DNS root
servers you use. A number of alternative DNS networks outside of
ICANN's control have been in existence for some years, the most famous
and widely supported being new.net and adns.net. Of course, you need to
be authoritative for a secondary level domain if you expect systems not
using your DNS servers to get to that domain. Other than that you can
follow whatever naming scheme makes sense to you. Generally, however,
the tertiary domain level is the system's function: www, ftp, mail,
etc. if the system is public. Also, any public DNS probably shouldn't
have things like ccard-srvr.company.xxx or database.company.xxx - no
sense in handing out invitations to the barbarian hordes.

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: CVSup questions

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I have a system that right now I'm using to learn FreeBSD. I want to
go 
through the update process that I assume I'll have to follow regularly

once the computer is up and running as a web and mail server.  Right 
now I'm not concerned about backups; that's my next project.

I'm attempting to follow Using CVSup and learn how CVSup works. See:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html

Questions about CVSup:

1. Where should I place supfile?  Obviously I could put it anywhere 
and make it work, but is there a usual place for it? I can't find 
where the manual makes a suggestion. Do I have a need for more than 
one supfile?

See http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html


2. I am running 5.3 RELEASE. It appears that if I specify *default 
tag=. that I will be getting updates from current. Is this what I 
should do, given that I want to stay current on security and bug 
fixes, but I don't (at this time) intend to get involved with beta 
testing?  Or should I specify *default tag=RELENG_5_3? And, if I do 
that, will the ports be updated, including adding new ports?

The current current is 6.0, not 5.3, so when updating src use
tag=RELENG_5_3. *See #11 on the FAQ above for an important exception to
this.


3. The tutorial at http://www.us-webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/ 
after item 68 describes CVSup. It suggests using the supfile 
/usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile which gets the ports-all 
collection. However, the Using CVSup manual says to get src-all, 
that includes ports-all. Is there some reason to use ports-all, not 
src-all as suggested by the handbook?

You can use one or two sup files. If you use one for both, you need two
different tag= declarations, one for src (tag=RELENG_5_3) and one for
everything else (tag=.). Ports, docs, etc. don't have RELENG versions,
so if you try to use tag=RELENG_5_3, you will wipe out your ports, doc,
etc., trees.


4. The tutorial (see 3 above) item 97 concludes, after running cvsup, 
FreeBSD is installed, CONGRATULATIONS! Isn't this a bit premature? 
It seems to me that at that point I need to rebuild world per 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.html#MAKEWORLD
to apply the new files and bring the system up to date. Am I missing 
something?

I don't think premature is the right word. Clearly, FBSD is installed
_already_. You are updating it. But, at this point, you aren't
finished.  You need to do the world/kernel/portupgrade stuff. Then it's
CONGRATULATIONS!, assuming something doesn't blow up during any of the
various procedures.
As an extra word of advice, you may want to run the script command at
each step to record the vast amount of messages that fly by. If
anything goes wrong, you'll have a complete log; and if nothing goes
wrong, you can grep thru them to see the many config options you didn't
know about and the wonderful, worrisome warning messages that you won't
be sure you can safely ignore or not!

HTH

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Re: not all files in a NTFS-directory are visible in FreeBSD

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:


it seems that the FreeBSD-NTFS-filesystem doesn't show all files that
are in a directory. My mp3 Directory is located on a Win XP
NTFS-Partition.

I hope there is a solution.

I saw this exact phenomenon once with graphics files. It turned out
that the files were partially corrupted. Windows 2000 could see and
open the files but some their content was garbled. FreeBSD didn't see
the files at all. Recreating and overwriting the damaged files fixed
the problem. I never got around to investigating the reason for the
different behaviours. Odd though

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: hello.

[stheg olloydson]

- Original Message - 
From: mase progamer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 00:36
Subject: hello.


 hello,
 I own a small computer  gaming store. i was wondering if you could
send me some freebsd posters  pamphlets  other such materials for
advertisements. i have allot of people come through who are very smart
  a few who use freebsd  they have told me contact you that it is a
awesome OS.I have ordered the 5 from fastdiscs.com.  i would also like
information on being a reseller. it is a small company so we couldn't
keep more than 10 or 15 copies on hand  at the current time/location.
 please get back to me.
 

Hello,

FreeBSD isn't a company; it's an all volunteer project. The people that
can best help you can be found at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm cc'ing this
mail to them. I suggest you contact them yourself, as well. Apparently,
the people on this list, [EMAIL PROTECTED], only respond to
offers of help for the project when it comes from a spammer, not a
legitimate business. (I know you don't understand that last remark, but
it isn't meant for you.)

Thanks and good luck,

Stheg



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Re: FW: FreeBSD donation (sponsorship)

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Hi FreeBSD,
My name is Crystal Chiang, I sent this e-mail to donation at FreeBSD
about a
week ago, but no one has got in contact with me, so I am not sure
who's in
charge of the PR or marketing over there. Could you please forward
this
e-mail to the appropriate person / people, and have them get back to
me
soon? Thanks a lot.


Crystal Chiang
Multimedia | Marketing

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T: 604.688.8946 ext: 127
F: 604.688.8934
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www.netnation.com
www.domainpeople.com


-Original Message-
From: Crystal Chiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FreeBSD donation (sponsorship)


Hi FreeBSD,
My name is Crystal Chiang, I am contacting you on behalf of NetNation
Communications Inc. regarding the sponsorship / partnership with
FreeBSD.
NetNation is a Hosting Solution Provider and we have been in the
hosting
industry since 1997. If you are not familiar with our company, you
could
check out our Web site for more information.

http://www.netnation.com/company/index.php


I am not sure if you do sponsorship/partnership with any other
organizations, I am interested in sponsoring the FreeBSD.org web site,
if
someone from your organization could get back to me with some
information
would be much appreciated. I could be reached at this e-mail address,
or by
phone tollfree: 1.888.277.000.

Take care and have a nice day.


Crystal Chiang
Multimedia | Marketing

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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F: 604.688.8934
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www.domainpeople.com

Hello,

I speak only for myself, not the FBSD project or community. I think
this is a lovely spam^H^H^H^Hoffer. One question though, would you be
hosting freebsd.org on a Linux or Windows server? Judging by your site
it could be either. 
http://www.netnation.com/products/managedhosting.php
Who decides?

Stheg





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Re: release 5.3 'Configure' missing 'XFree86' option

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

hi:

i downloaded the new 5.3 release (i386 iso disks 1, 2).

i have installed freebsd many times. this release does not have
'XFree86' as a 'Configure' option.

is this me or is there a problem?

thanks,

efs


Hello,

It's you :). From the Release Notes:

FreeBSD now uses Xorg instead of XFree86 as the default X Window
System. The supported release is Xorg X11R6.7.0. Note that XFree86 is
also available in the FreeBSD Ports Collection (x11/XFree86-4).

HTH,

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Re: feasible w/ samba?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

What this would essentially be attempting to achieve is to have a way 
for a geographically spread out network allow people to easily access 
their home directories and shares no matter where they logged using 
local servers acting as time-delayed proxies...all the user login 
information, user home directory data, user shared data 
directories...it's a lot of duplicated information out there, but it 
would fix the problem with authentication and home directory 
information being temporarily inaccessible when a link is down between

building locations.  No matter what building they were in, they would 
have access to that building's copy of their home directory; the next 
day, logging into a different building, they'd get their information 
again.

Hello,

What you have here is a hardware, not software, problem. The root cause
is the unreliable connectivity between buildings. To ensure all network
resources are always available, use redundant fiber-optic connections
and set your routing such that you can reach buildingX from buildingY
via buildingZ, as well as directly.
Then you can (although it may be heresy on this list) avoid using FBSD.
Your simplest solution is to use Windows built-in Roaming Profiles. The
feature exists to accomplish the exact task of making the user's
resources (including desktop config) available on the login
workstation. 
Doing things this way has to benefits your proposed solution does not.
First, you guarantee all net segments are reachable at all times, which
is the root of your problem. This solves that problem and prevents
future ones being caused by this. Second, admin is greatly simplified.
Your way requires too many bits that need looking after. The long-term
cost of this solution will be greater than running the fiber.
Finally, you should look into Kerberos for a single sign-on solution.
Windows and AD both support it.

HTH,

Stheg

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Re: feasible w/ samba?

[stheg olloydson]

--- Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Actually, it would be connectivity + bandwidth + geography.
 
Some of the buildings are close together...close enough that you can 
lean on the wall of one and throw a softball to hit the other.
 
Others are over 20 miles apart, and it's not really 3 buildings...I
was using that just to simplify the scenario.  there would be 7.  
Unfortunately, there's no way we currently know of to lay out enough 
fiber for every building and still have reliable (and *fast*)
transfers compared to a proxy approach as I was envisioning in my
head.

A! This is a much different scenario. I was think of something like
an office park or college campus.
Let me go over your questions in order

1) is this type of setup feasible?

Yes. About eight years ago, we did almost this exact thing on RedHat.

2) is it possible to duplicate accounts from the master server
easily 
to remote servers if they're ununixccounts, or is it simpler to use a 
different authentication and permission scheme? 

Include all relevant account data (e.g. password files) in the sync.

3) Would it be possible to have each of the workstations hardcoded to 
log into their individual domains and, based on that, map the user's 
home directory to their local server's version of the home directory

in question?  I don't want them to be manipulating home directory data

on a server in building one when they're actually logged into a 
workstation in building two, for example...I want the workstation 
they're sitting at to log into the domain for domain2 and then map 
their home drive to domain2's local server for later syncing with
the 
master server (and subsequent distribution to other systems).

Does this make a difference? What if a user went to several buildings
in one day? How do you merge the data? What may be easiest is for all
users to always log into the master server if it's available. Before
syncing, the master checks who logged into the remotes and which files
they edited. Only those get synced. If a user logged into two remotes
and edited the same file on each, then create a copy of each on the
master.

4) What security problems would be immediately apparent with respect
to 
home directory access?  I'd like just the owner of the directory and 
root to have access to the home directories, but there may be other 
shares for select groups of people to access being distributed as
well. 

This is a sound policy. Home directories shouldn't contain files others
need to access. The users should put those in shares with the
appropriate permissions. BTW, FBSD has its own ACL facility.

5) can users be remotely created easily by just copying a few files 
among the servers?  

Yes. This is the same as 2).

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware:

AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap)
MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset)
2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM
 
 
In my experience trying to put more than 1GB RAM in a socket-754
mainboard
is asking for trouble. This type of board is incredibly picky about
its
memory, especially when using more than two DIMMs.

Yes Toms hardware has an article on this:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040112/index.html

They say that only 3 out of 10 of the  socket 754 mainboards worked
with more than one DIMM.

Hello,

I have two servers running the MSI K8T. Both have 2 DDR400 ECC DIMMS
from Kingston. I have not seen this issue. I wasn't even aware of it
until now. I can't remember what the timings are, but they are whatever
the manufacturer recommended - as I said, these are servers. But I do
know that the BIOS date is either April or May, not 24OCT03 as in the
article. Maybe it's been fixed in the MSI BIOS. While the information
in the article is nine months old, therefore of questionable value
today, it does give very good advice: Check your vendor's return
policy.

HTH,

Stheg 




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Re: Duplex printing with HP DeskJet 6122

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Having problems with getting my hp deskjet 6122 to print. Got as far
as 
downlaoding the software but when it got to set up nothing happened.
Can you help?


Hello,

Sure! Check your configuration. You have something wrong.
See http://www.lemis.com/questions.html for details.

HTH

Stheg

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Re: Development Resources

[stheg olloydson]

it was said: 

I am a software developer for Windows, and moving to FreeBSD has been
very 
nice, especially since the tools to make software are completly free!
My 
question is: Where can I find information on programming for FreeBSD?
Things 
like how it differs from Windows, what it can and can't do, how to
develop 
for X/KDE. I am good with C and C++, and know my way around gcc/make,
but I 
don't know about system and 'net API calls that are specific to
FreeBSD, and 
*NIX in general.

Hello,

Welcome to FreeBSD! Probably you'll want to read _The Design and
Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System_ by McKusick, et al.
ISBN 0-201-70245-2. It came out two months ago. Another good book is
_Porting Unix Software_ by Lehey ISBN 1-56592-126-7. It's from 1995 and
out of print, but you can get it used from amazon.com for US$2.00 and
well worth the read.
For additional references, you may want to ask on the hackers@ list.

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: Country Restrions

[stheg olloydson]

it was said: 

Is there any restriction to use FreeBSD in Cuba and other countries 
where US have comercial restrictions?
I work for a British company with branches in Cuba and Syria. So I
want 
to know if there is a limitation or if I can think about deploying 
FreeBSD globally for my company.
Thanks
Carlos A. Quintella

Hello,

Although many Americans work on the Project, I doubt that FreeBSD can
be considered and American-made product. In any case, you can
download the software from numerous non-US servers. See
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html
(URL may have wrapped) for the complete list. Pick one from a country
that has diplomatic relations with Cuba and/or Syria.

HTH,

Stheg





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Re: Troubleshoting with nat

[stheg olloydson]

it was said (with broken MS formatting):

I have two network on two different switch. My pc have two lan cards
among which 1st is connected to 1st switch and 2nd is connected to
second switch. Both the switch are not cascaded. One pc from 1st
network
can ping to 1st card and not to 2nd card and 2nd network , in the same
manner pc from 2nd network can't ping to 1st card and 1st network .
How
to do it without cascading .  All my pc are running windows 2000
server
and professional.
 
Hello,

One would think that this is desirable behavior. Otherwise, why do you
have two different networks? Something must be missing here. Please
explain what you are trying to accomplish, so the community may better
help with your problem.
Also, even though you say you are running Windows on the PCs, you are
running FreeBSD on the box with the 2 NICs, correct?

Regards,

Stheg

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Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun (pushing the thread even more OT)

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

As a purely theoretical question - is it possible to be guilty of an
offence by being in possession of a digital image of a currency bill? 
At what resolution does it become an offence?



Hello,

This exactly answers your questions:

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/legislation/repro.html

Seems like possession of _any_ digital image of Canadian paper currency
is a crime.

To see what the rules are for other countries:

http://www.rulesforuse.org

For an interesting news item on this topic:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/01/copying.dollars.ap/index.html

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: Is there a reverse Network Address Translation???

[stheg olloydson]

It was said:

  I wan't to access my pc at work from home through
freebsd's sshd. Is it possible?, knowing that it
doesn't have a public ip address? That workstation of
mine is only gaining internet access through LAN
servers and routers. Will it help if I know the
gateway ip where my workstation passes through and the
proxy as well as dns server's ip's? I know its
possible but I can't imagine the process, perhaps
something like a reverse network address
translation... Any idea?

Hello,

Yes, this is possible. From home, you would ssh to your work's external
IP address. You don't specify the setup you have at work, but at a
minimum you need to have fowarding rules setup in the company's
firewall to direct your ssh connection to your workstation. Obviously,
if you can ssh in, so can anyone else. Be sure you use a _very_ good
password.

HTH,

Stheg

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Re: Is there a reverse Network Address Translation???

[stheg olloydson]

It was said:
 Obviously, if you can ssh in, so can anyone else. Be sure you use a
_very_ good password.

Would using a public/private key not be better? Any password would
still 
be guessable.

Jim Mozley

Hello,

Most certainly! I was taking into account the OP's relative newness to
the unix world. While it may seem condescending, I find newer users
tend to get overwhelmed when more experienced users try to supply an
exhaustive answer. For example, bringing up PKI would almost certainly
lead to a discussion of algorithm choice, etc. The result in these
cases often is the new user drops out of the thread (and does whatever)
while the old hands bikeshed what must seem like (and sometimes is)
arcane minutiae. 
As the OP uses ssh, he will learn more about it and ask deeper
questions. In the meantime, his network is relatively safe. He asked
about ssh not telnet, after all.
Understand, this is just my personal philosophy, which makes it as
valid or invalid as anyone else's. I'm not saying it is The Right
Way(tm) - even though it is ;).

Regards,

Stheg



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Re: question reguarding Evolution...

[stheg olloydson]

It was said (with broken MS formatting):

X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Im running 4.10 right now and even since 4.9 and lower i have had this
=
problem.
Im running 1.4.6 right now... the latest as of last night form ports.
=
(9/29/2004)

Basicly what is happening is it downloads 1 email every 2 minutes and
10 =
seconds, just an FYI im running 3Mbit cable and if i download email
from =
the same server same account on any other computer its at most 2
seconds =

AMD k6-2 400 with 386MB of ram running xorg (latest and greatest) and
=
fluxbox (ditto) Nothing terribly special in the background, its mainly
=
just a NAT server but does nothing else with its proccessor time. For
=
some reason it runs really slow in X, still have not figured out why
but =
thats for another email.

Hello,

Do you have this same problem if you use a CLI program such as Mutt or
Pine? I'll bet not. And if not, then the X perfomance problem should be
resolved first.

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: Installing Free BSD 5.21

[stheg olloydson]

It was said:

I have had a crash on my computer I try to install McAfee Internet =
Security 6.0 I keep getting this error message. The Wizard was
interrupted before 6.o could be completely installed. It say new
program =
when I check McAfee it says it is empty. Will installing this=20
help this  problem. I don't know much about computers but I am trying
to =
follow all the directions from McAfee support but there instructions
are =
just not working.
Kind Regards Chris

Hello,

Just to be clear, you are trying to install a Windows program on to a
FreeBSD 5.2.1 system. Is that correct? If it is, this is not going to
work. Look on the side of the box under System Requirements to see
which operatings systems the software is designed for.
If you are trying to install a Windows program on Windows, you need to
contact your software vendor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for assistance.

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: UNIX

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I was told that I could learn UNIX for free on this site. If so please
=
let me know how. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello,

Welcome to FreeBSD! You certainly can learn about unix type OSs here.
The best place to start is with the Handbook. the URL is
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
(URL may have wrapped).

Regards,

Stheg



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Re: question

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 % man 1 chmo

 whaT  does (%) sign means here? root ,user or something else?
  
 Note ! [greypixel.gif] 
 Alternatively please send me mails on [i.p.emphone.gif]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and also please add me in your messenger 
 [greypixel.gif]

Hello,

The % is the shell prompt. It marks the place where you should type
in the command you wish to execute. The symbol depends on which shell
you are using. The % is used by csh and tcsh, the default shell for
FreeBSD. If you su to root, the symbol changes to #. Of course, you
can change these symbols to whatever you want; but if I were you, I
would learn a great deal more about FreeBSD before worrying about that.
You should read the handbook at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
(URL may have wrapped) because many of these types of questions are
answered there. Also, I suggest reading
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/
(URL may have wrapped) so that when you ask a question on this list,
you get the best possible answer.

Regards,

Stheg





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Re: Device polling performance

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jamie Cohen:

The EVIDENCE is to the contrary, since it seems that a 2.4Ghz system
will be saturated when bridging ~250Kpps with device-polling enabled,
based on polling stats and userland benchmarking, even though the
system claims to be 100% idle. Interestingly, its about the same with
interrupt enabled.

The POINT is that since there is no way to measure the performance,
you've got a bunch of guys who think they've figured something out
touting device-polling without having a clue what the performance
advantages (or consequences) are, so it might as well be black magic,
or snake oil, since you are as blind as a bat in your assessments.

Hello,

Please post your polling stats and userland benchmarking results. I
would be very interested seeing them as I was thinking of moving to
NICs that would benefit from polling. However, because you have
EVIDENCE ... to the contrary, I may hold off. On the other hand, you
do go on to say there is no way to measure the performance and you
are as blind as a bat in your assessments, so also please post your
test methodology. I need to make my decision on reliable, repeatable
facts.
Also, when you post, would you please wrap your lines to a shorter
length? Not everyone on the list uses AOL Reader, like you.

Regards,

Stheg



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Re: Star Office for Mac OS10

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

  A friend of mine recommended I download Star Office for my Mac, to 
take the place of MSW, which I cannot afford.  I don't understand how 
your website works; ergo, how to access information on this software 
and instructions as to downloading it.

Please help!

Hello,

You are lost. FreeBSD is an operating system. As such, the website has
no links for downloading Mac software. Ask your friend where to get it.

Regards,

Stheg



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Re: Please explain.

[stheg olloydson]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2 Major Issues:

- FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue

- The core kernel issues with FreeBSD is the horrible threading
support.There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The multithreading
issue in
freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years. They have just made work
arounds, not fixing the actual problem. It seems that the only real
BSD that
has made big progress on the core issues is DragonflyBSD.

It appears that FreeBSD have a clear Multi-threading lock-in issue
that
needs to be fixed. Not work arounds. According to many freebsd
developers
nobody simply wants to fix this, is it true that the current smp work
are
just 'work-arounds' not real fixing?

The only thing holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading issue.

Please clarify this.

Hello,

Please clarify your post. You make many claims without any offering any
examples. 
You claim, FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue. What
exactly is the issue? Give an example, please.
You claim, There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The multithreading
issue in freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years. They have just
made work arounds, not fixing the actual problem. To what crap in the
FreeBSD kernel are you referring? Please post an example of the
horrible threading support and how it should be done. How did you
arrive at the time span of 6 years? Who is this They that has just
made 'work-arounds' not real fixing? Who are these many  freebsd
developers to whom you refer? Finally, you claim, The only thing
holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading issue. Holding it back from
what?
Please explain the basis for your assertions so that the community may
better answer them.

Regards,

Stheg

BTW: Considering you're running a Windows-based OS, not a BSD-based
one, why do you even care?



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Re: Please explain.

[stheg olloydson]

Plesae, excuse the messiness of the reply to a poster using MS's broken
formatting.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  processor affinity design issue..  i.e.. processes stay on the cpu
 they are
 spawned on..which is a big problem for mysql which explains why it
 performs
 better on other systems.
 
 Furthermore, the SMP issue is a common problem among many FreeBSD
 developers
 whom have told me the same, there is alot of this information all
 over the
 internet. FreeBSD is unable to perform good on multiple CPUs, the
 fixes are
 just work arounds.
 
 Unless if the freebsd community has just started to fix the
 multithreading
 issue, it's a huge problem. Darwin does not have this problem
 whatsoever.
 
 Why do I care? This is a silly question. I have 2 windows PCs here, I
 have 9
 other workstations that all run unix. I am a server manager and I do
 consulting work for freebsd/linux. Windows came free so why not? I
 don't do
 business on it.
 
 I've been a really huge FreeBSD supporter.. but I am really concerned
 about
 this issue which has been an issue for so long.
 
 thanks,
 tim h.
 
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 Subject: Re: Please explain.
 
 

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2 Major Issues:

- FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue

- The core kernel issues with FreeBSD is the horrible threading
support.There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The
 multithreading
issue in
freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years. They have just made
 work
arounds, not fixing the actual problem. It seems that the only
 real BSD that
has made big progress on the core issues is DragonflyBSD.

It appears that FreeBSD have a clear Multi-threading lock-in issue
 that
needs to be fixed. Not work arounds. According to many freebsd
developers
nobody simply wants to fix this, is it true that the current smp
 work
are
just 'work-arounds' not real fixing?

The only thing holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading issue.

Please clarify this.

 Hello,

 Please clarify your post. You make many claims without any offering
 any examples.
 You claim, FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue. What
 exactly is the issue? Give an example, please.
 You claim, There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The
multithreading issue in freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years.
 They have just made work arounds, not fixing the actual problem. To
 what crap in the FreeBSD kernel are you referring? Please post an
 example of the horrible threading support and how it should be
done. How did you arrive at the time span of 6 years? Who is this
They that has just made 'work-arounds' not real fixing? Who are
these many  freebsd developers to whom you refer? Finally, you
claim, The only  thing holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading
issue. Holding it  back from what?
 Please explain the basis for your assertions so that the community
 may better answer them.

 Regards,

 Stheg

 BTW: Considering you're running a Windows-based OS, not a BSD-based
 one, why do you even care?

Hello,

Because you failed to offer any proof of your assertions other than
repeating them, albeit with the addition of the vague statement that
there is alot [sic] of this information all over the internet [sic]
(which, if were true, begs the questions why are you asking here then),
I cannot put any stock in your claims.
My apologies to the community for rising to the troll.

Yours truly,

Stheg




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Re: Question

[stheg olloydson]

It was said:

Hi,

  I Bought from you FreeBSD 4.10 v, my main concern after I installed
it in my laptop I have trouble defining my network wireless card
Linksys
wireless -B and the network, How can I do that?. Also Do I need the
device wi0?, and how can I find it?

  Sincerely,

 Ramez.

Hello,

Welcome to FreeBSD! I don't have a solution for you, but I can tell you
where to find it. Check the Handbook at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html
(URL may have wrapped). Also, you can check the list archives through
http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists
(URL may have wrapped). Also, check google. FreeBSD and Linksys are
pretty common, so your question may be answered on a website. 
If you still can't find the information you need, repost to the list on
Monday. The list is fairly quiet on the weekends, so you will have a
much better chance of getting a more informative answer than mine.
As you are new to FreeBSD, you ought to read
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.html

(URL may have wrapped). It explains how to most easily get the greatest
amount of help from the list.

HTH,

Stheg 

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freebsd goes linux and gets a distro

[stheg olloydson]

Hello,

I haven't seen this mentioned and thought it might be of interest to
the community.
Distrowatch.com mentions a company, Trianceware, that is offering what
appears to be a FBSD/KDE bundle they named TrianceOS. Their main aim
looks to be making a *nix desktop OS for the typical Windows user, i.e.
click-driven not cli-driven. Making it a less quixotic task than it may
seem, they intend to charge for the system once it is out of beta.
I have not yet succeeded in getting an iso (1.0 beta), so I do not know
how customized anything is. Judging by the site's very sketchy content,
I would say not very. The most interesting thing (imo) is they say that
they are going to take on the beast that is sysinstall and GUI-ize it.

Regards,

Stheg



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questions about gcc options

[stheg olloydson]

Hello,

I decided to repost this with a less ambiguous subject.



I have  a few questions concerning optimization. I
just setup 5.2.1p9 on an athlon-xp box. I used -fmemoize-lookups and
-fsave-memoized options but I got this when doing a make buildworld:

cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fmemoize-lookups
cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fsave-memoized
*** Error code 1

I checked the gcc 3.3.3 manual for info (because they worked under
3.2.2) and couldn't find any mention of them. Googling took me to
numerous sites that had the same gcc manpage (unknown version) that
said:

-fmemoize-lookups 
-fsave-memoized 
Use heuristics to compile faster. These heuristics are not enabled by
default, since they are only effective for certain input files. Other
input files compile more slowly.

The gcc-1750 support site goes even further and adds:

The code that implements these flags has rotted; you should probably
avoid using them.

OK, that's fine. Does that mean beginning with versions of gcc 3.2.2
(at least) these options are deprecated? I don't find anything about
this in UPDATING, and they still appear in
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf

Also, concerning the -mmmx, -m3dnow, and -msse options, I read
somewhere
(bsdforum.org?) that cputype?=athlon-xp implies those three options,
but I couldn't find a mention of it in the gcc 3.3.3 manual (doesn't
mean it's not there). Is this true, or should they be explicit?
Finally, what optimizations are people using on their production 5.2.1
boxen? -mfpmath=sse looks interesting, but is it safe? The manual says:

The resulting code should be considerably faster in the majority of
cases and avoid the numerical instability problems of 387 code, but
may break some existing code that expects temporaries to be 80bit. 
This is the default choice for the x86-64 compiler. 

Not being a c/c++ person, I appreciate any help in the matter.

Regards,

Stheg


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Re: ISDN Jack Installation

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

My new house is currently being built, and I am wondering if I should 
install an ISDN jack now so that the SBC people don't have to do it 
once the walls are up and I actually want an ISDN connection.  What do

the people who install it have to do to get is upstairs when they 
install it, is it difficult?  How is an ISDN line added, and can I do 
it myself?  Thanks.

Hello,

ISDN isn't DSL. You can't run it on the same wire your phone service
and use filters to allow their simultaneous use. But installing it
yourself is very easy. All you need is a Cat3 (standard telco) cable
run from the NID (network interface device - where the phone lines come
in the house) to where ever you want the ISDN service. The telco hooks
the wires (single pair) together at the NID, tells you which colors to
use at the receptacle, and you just saved yourself US$100-$300.

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: Errata Branch

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I'm looking for some information on the Errata Branch for 4.10. I just

re-installed my FreeBSD system and am now running 4.10-RELEASE. I want

to make sure that I am running with the most-up-to-date security
patches applied.

I would like to know the steps necessary for appling the changes in 
RELENG_4_10. Also how can I tell if the security patchs and code fixes

have been applied.

My stable-subfile:
*default host=cvsup12.freebsd.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10
*default delete use-rel-suffix
src-all


Hello,

Your supfile is correct for what you want to do. If you read the faq at
www.cvsup.org/faq.html (#11), however, you will see that on the _first_
cvsup, a slightly different method is recommended to ensure your
checkouts file is correct. In your particular case, in place of
tag=RELENG_4_10, you should have tag=RELENG_4_10_0_RELEASE
list=cvs:RELENG_4_10. Then, when that finishes, change the tag back to
tag=RELENG_4_10 and delete the list= portion of the line. Then run
cvsup again. Remember, you should do this only on the _first_ cvsup;
all subsequent times, ignore this step.
As for checking that you properly updated, after building and
installing world and kernel, run uname -a. You should see
4.10-RELEASE-p2. If you do, the src patches are installed. (The p2
shows your patch level. Right now, for 4.10, it is p2.)
Speaking of src patches, you have only src-all in your supfile. This
means your ports, docs, and cvsroot will _not_ be updated. If you
intend that, fine, just making sure you know. If not, add ports-all,
docs-all, and cvsroot=all to your file.

HTH,

Stheg





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make.conf optimzations [was ports vs source]

[stheg olloydson]

it was said by Vulpes Velox:

The ability to squeze the absolute max out using /etc/make.conf is
what I love about ports.

CPUTYPE?=athlon-xp
CFLAGS= -O -m3dnow -msse -mmmx  -pipe
CXXFLAGS+= -fmemoize-lookups -fsave-memoized -m3dnow -msse -mmmx

Hello,

This post raises a couple of questions I have concerning optimzation. I
just setup 5.2.1p9 on an athlon-xp box. I, too, used the memoize
options but I got this when doing a make buildworld:

cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fmemoize-lookups
cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fsave-memoized
*** Error code 1

I checked the gcc 3.3.3 manual for info (because they worked under
3.2.2) and couldn't find any mention of them. Googling took me to
numerous sites that had the same gcc manpage (unknown version) that
said:

-fmemoize-lookups 
-fsave-memoized 
Use heuristics to compile faster. These heuristics are not enabled by
default, since they are only effective for certain input files. Other
input files compile more slowly.

The gcc-1750 support site goes even further and adds:

The code that implements these flags has rotted; you should probably
avoid using them.

OK, that's fine. Does that mean, in the versions of gcc in 5.x, these
options are deprecated?

Also, concerning the -mmmx, -m3dnow, and -msse, I read somewhere
(bsdforum.org?) that cputype?=athlon-xp implies those three options,
but I couldn't find a mention of it in the gcc 3.3.3 manual (doesn't
mean it's not there). Is this true, or should they be explicit as in Mr
Velox's post?
Finally, what optimzations are people using on their production 5.2.1
boxen? -mfpmath=sse looks interesting, but is it safe? The manual says:


The resulting code should be considerably faster in the majority of
cases and avoid the numerical instability problems of 387 code, but
may break some existing code that expects temporaries to be 80bit. 
This is the default choice for the x86-64 compiler. 

Regards,

Stheg



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Re: Errata Branch

[stheg olloydson]

It was said:

 Just so I have this correct:
 
 After I install 4.10-RELEASE, before I complete the first_cvsup my 
 config file should look as follows:
 
 *default host=cvsup12.freebsd.org
 *default base=/usr
 *default prefix=/usr
 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10_0_RELEASE list=cvs:RELENG_4_10
 *default delete use-rel-suffix
 src-all
 
 After I have completed the cvsup, I should change the config file to:
 
 
 *default host=cvsup12.freebsd.org
 *default base=/usr
 *default prefix=/usr
 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10
 *default delete use-rel-suffix
 src-all

Hello,

Please keep the list in the loop. Someone else may have a more timely
and/or better response.
Yes, you are correct. According to cvsup's author, doing that ensures
the checkouts file updates properly. He explains why the procedure is
necessary in the faq. I don't remember the details, likewise with the
cvsroot=all thing. I just remember he said it was good idea.

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: Max # of Files in a Directory?

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 ... I started seeing all kinds of errors when
 trying to copy more than 16383 messages into one
 of my folders there.  I'm retrieving mail from a
 pop3 server using Outlook then copying them into
 my imap folder, also using Outlook.

Hello,

16383 was a limit in OL before version 8.03 (2000). Go to the MS
knowledge base and search on Outlook using 16383 as the keyword. You
will find a number of articles related to this issue.

HTH,

Stheg



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Re: setup firewall/router/proxy

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

 Hi,
 What are the best firewall - routing and proxy packages for FreeBSD ?

Hello,

Firewall: pf (/usr/ports/security/pf)
Routing: routed (man 8 routed)
Proxy: squid (/usr/ports/www/squid)

just my 2% of your preferred currency's base unit,

Stheg




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Re: OT: Nachos - simulated OS

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

I suppose i am feeling lazy to compile gas, binutils,  gcc (which
would make the 3d instance) from source to be cross-compile-able due
to lack of a port. Speaking of which ... Nachos has been reported to
be ported to FreeBSD, btw.  (Hint, Hint.)


Hello,

Did you read the entire page that said a FBSD port existed? Look more
closely:


Existing ports: MIPS, Sparc (sunos and solaris), Alpha, linux,
netbsd and freebsd, RS/6000, 68000 Mac (unsupported), and HP.

1
Can NACHOS run on VAX6420/Ultrix?
-
Haven't tried it.  It should run over any version of Ultrix, but not 
definitely sure yet.

2
Can NACHOS run on NexT?
---
Haven't tried it.  Haven't heard of any report of it.


Run on NexT? What?


2
Can NACHOS run on Windows?
--
No.  Not at this time.  We're planning to port but it turned out
harder than it appeared; now that Win95 (finally, a real OS from
Microsoft!) is out, maybe we'll try it again.

[N]ow that Win95...is out? How old is this information? 


From the bug list: Thu, 12 Oct 95
From the introduction: March 1, 1994 
From the roadmap: February 3, 1997 

The roadmap date is the latest one I could find, and that is on a
linked site. The latest on the site itself is Spring 1996.


Hint, hint,

Stheg







2
Can NACHOS run on Windows?
--
No.  Not at this time.  We're planning to port but it turned out
harder than it appeared; now that Win95 (finally, a real OS from
Microsoft!) is out, maybe we'll try it again.





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Re: 3Com Etherlink III ISA support [was Question]

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

the version of FreeBsd that i've tried does not support the network
card i have on the computer which is a 3Com Etherlink III ISA
(3C509b-TPO) in PnP mode i would like to know which versions of
FreeBsd supports this network card.

Hello,

I used that card in 2.2.2. (My first FBSD install!) As I remember, I
had to run a 3Com DOS utility to set the physical parameters manually.
Then I configured FreeBSD to use those settings.
I would think later versions would support that card, as well. You
probably just need to do what I did. If you don't have the 3Com disk,
you can download what you need from their site.

HTH,

Stheg


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Re: Question on ATM w/ FreeBSD

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

Can I plug in an ATM DS3 into something like a Cisco Lightstream
LS1010
with a DS3 card, then plug a PC running FreeBSD and Quagga, with a
Marconi Forerunner HE155 using the fatm() driver, into a OC3 card on
the LS1010, then define a VC, switch it through the switch,
and run data over that?

However I have not dealt yet with ATM switches, is there anything
inherently different about ATM on a lan adapter like the HE155, and
ATM on a DS3?

Hello,

The HE155 uses the hatm(4) driver. From the man page:

The hatm device driver supports the FORE (now Marconi) HE155 and HE622
ATM interface cards. The driver interfaces with the natm(4) framework,
netgraph(4) and the HARP ATM stack.  It provides only PVC services.
Signalling, ATMARP, ILMI and other higher layer protocols are
implemented using netgraph(4) or HARP.

So the remaing question is can the LS1010 do what you want. IIRC, the
LS1010 is very similar to the Catalyst 8500 series, Unfortunately, I am
more familiar with the latter than the former, so I cannot answer
definitively. I know it has support for PVCs, asymmetric circuits, and
bridging to a LAN, so I would be surprised if it couldn't (but not very
surprised, you know how Cisco can be some times ;-)).
To answer your last question about inherent differences in ATM, no. But
ATM is a protocol suite consisting of three layers: physical, ATM, and
AAL. Just be sure you use the same AAL config on each end. Because the
telco dictates their end, just match it and you're set. 

HTH,

Stheg

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: 3Com Etherlink III ISA support [was Question]

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

by: A W
Sorry im a total Newb to this Freebsd thingy. But if i were to do wat
u told me to do and get Version 2.2.2 of FreeBsd, Which files do i
need to start the installation?
 
by: stheg olloydson
I used that card in 2.2.2. (My first FBSD install!) As I remember, I
had to run a 3Com DOS utility to set the physical parameters
manually. Then I configured FreeBSD to use those settings.
I would think later versions would support that card, as well. You
probably just need to do what I did. If you don't have the 3Com
disk, you can download what you need from their site.

Hello,

Please keep the list in the loop.
Hold on there! I didn't say to run 2.2.2. It was nice back in the day,
but if you were to run it now, the Huns would sack your village. What I
meant to communicate is you should use the 3Com software to configure
the NIC manually and then enter that configuration - if needed - when
setting up your interface.

HTH (by being more clear),

Stheg

P.S. Another poster asked why do you think your NIC doesn't work. That
is a good question. What output do you get from ifconfig -a ?  


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